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[Seeker]

For those of you affected (afflicted?) by the Ultra Low Emission Zone:

https://phys.org/news/2021-11-london-pollution-ulez-small-effect.html

[BoltonSte]

Greater Manchester is starting it's own as well.

Toll on the ring road didn't work, now it's emissions for the whole borough starting with commercial vehicles and camper vans.

https://cleanairgm.com/clean-air-zone/

[Bibio]

so how do they use the money collected to clean the air in the affected areas? or where does the money go if not used to clean the air?

its a con..... plain and simple....

[Bibio]

also was the data collected while we were in lockdown?

[Seeker]

also was the data collected while we were in lockdown?

The article says data collected between 2016 and 2020.

The ULEZ prohibits higher polluting vehicles from entering the area, the congestion charge is different.

[Bibio]

they may prohibit but how do they stop them from entering?

it just seems like London and other large populous cities have introduced a stealth tax on their citizens all in the name of pollution/congestion.

again the motorist is paying for things.

[Biker Biggles]

they may prohibit but how do they stop them from entering?

it just seems like London and other large populous cities have introduced a stealth tax on their citizens all in the name of pollution/congestion.

again the motorist is paying for things.


You are right. The latest extension of the London ULEZ is just more of the same-----greenwashing for political and financial gain for the ruling elite. The original "congestion" charge in London didnt reduce congestion but made loads of money and the ULEZ has not reduced pollution but is costing poorer Londoners money as they have to get rid of their older cars. They even include motorcycles in this nonsense when,by their own statistics, motorcycles are responsible for an unmeasurably small amount of pollution. I took part in their sham "consultation" on this several years ago now and I asked why motorcycles were to be included. I got some waffle about every road user had to be included in the campaign in order to make us all part of the effort or some such crap.

[DJ123]

ULEZ. Load of tosh. Go into Central London and see how many Black Cabs you see which are 20+ years old spewing Black smoke out the back.

If they were really concerned about air pollution the Taxi network needs to be updated/mandated to cars not over X years old/be a Euro compliant 4/5/6 level.

[yokohama]

Yes, leave your car at home and instead, use the overpriced and overcrowded public transport system which isn't fit for purpose.

[keith_d]

Think about the congestion charge from the mayor's perspective. He has two possible outcomes...

a) Traffic levels are reduced - "See what a good boy am I"

b) Traffic levels are not reduced and he gets a few million quid a year to spend on public transport - "See what a good boy am I"

Easy decision for him.

[EssEllTwo]

The ULEZ prohibits higher polluting vehicles from entering the area, the congestion charge is different.


they may prohibit but how do they stop them from entering?


They don't stop or prohibit, they just rip you off with charges by monitoring with CCTV/ANPR.

[ethariel]

ULEZ = 'If your rich you can do what you like'
ULEZ='If your not rich and own a vehicle no up to code then your neck deep in more debt to solve the issue'

ULEZ= Nothing to do with air quality, just another way to make money! (Fleece road users with yet another tax)

[Bibio]

ULEZ = 'If your rich you can do what you like' one of the mates has property in the centre of london and outskirts. he was so sick of the charges he bought a tesla car and keeps it outside the zone to go in and out. so yes money talks..

even rich people dont like the charge....

[Ruffy]

ULEZ charging = wrong answer to the right problem.

There are plenty of other factors affecting the travel choices of individuals besides the journey cost and next to nothing appears to be being done to address those.

Unfortunately, those who decide these things can't cope with (or choose to ignore) issues that can't easily be 'monetised'. So expected outcomes are always compromised because of an over-reliance on economic analysis that's too simplistic.

[ethariel]

On the other hand

Historic vehicles
You can apply to stop paying vehicle tax if your vehicle was built more than 40 years ago. This date moves forward on a 40-year rolling system. For example, when the ULEZ launched in April 2019, vehicles built before 1979 were eligible to apply for historic vehicle tax class.

All vehicles that have a historic vehicle tax class will be exempt from the ULEZ. This tax class excludes any vehicle used commercially (for example, coffee vans or street food vans).

In line with the existing LEZ discount all vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973 will be exempt from the ULEZ, regardless of commercial use or otherwise.

If your vehicle meets the above criteria but is registered outside the UK, you are also exempt, but will need to register with us before travelling in the zone.

Just pick up a clunker thats 40+ years old, belching out clouds of gunk and your set.

[keith_d]

Just pick up a clunker thats 40+ years old, belching out clouds of gunk and your set.

I just looked at the pre-73 cars available on Ebay, and any that I would consider driving cost more than getting a little electric runabout. But it would be pretty stylish to turn up in one of these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224707764846?hash=item3451a0626e

[Luckypants]

"Little electric runabout" is about twice that new. Still very expensive on the second hand market, if you can find one.