View Full Version : Do you refuel on the side stand or centre stand/centred?
johnnyleitrim
01-03-22, 09:11 PM
I joined the SV650 club last week (my first motorbike ever), and I just put petrol in it for the first time today.
I refuelled it while it was on its side stand, but I didn't feel like I could fill the tank while it was leaning over.
Do people generally fill their SVs on the side stand, or some other way?
I joined the SV650 club last week (my first motorbike ever), and I just put petrol in it for the first time today.
I refuelled it while it was on its side stand, but I didn't feel like I could fill the tank while it was leaning over.
Do people generally fill their SVs on the side stand, or some other way?
I fill mine on the side stand (as that's all it has) but if I really want to squeeze that last litre in I'll jump on it to get it level and fill to the top. Can't see any other way of doing it tbh.
daktulos
02-03-22, 06:57 AM
I've always filled up my bikes sitting on them. I realise it's probably not best practice, but with "pay at pump" I don't even get off to pay these days.
johnnyleitrim
02-03-22, 05:31 PM
I was chatting with someone today who said that on a few occasions, the attendant in a few different garages has refused to turn the pump on until he got off the motorcycle.
yokohama
02-03-22, 06:00 PM
I've had that before too. Health and safety reasons. They don't want any fuel dripping over a hot engine and igniting while the rider is sitting on the bike. And if this were to happen, it's likely the rider would leap off, dropping the bike, fuel spilling out etc etc.
Not having a centre stand, I refill mine on the side stand, level the bike, rock and shake to settle the fuel and put more in if needed.
redtrummy
02-03-22, 06:08 PM
never used pay at the pump that's the Mrs job and since she will not/can no longer ride pillion I have to do it myself so its into the orderly queue - but I do not bother to remove helmet - not been challenged yet.
ps She was a terrible pillion passenger any way- you lean left and I will lean right!
can only vouch for the pointy but brimming it is like having a **** when you get older... you trickle it in. the petrol will rise and fall a few times till you can see a level in the metal "cup". i can squeeze in about an extra litre doing "the trickle". i never fill the bike while sitting on it as i'm very vertically challenged.. lol
yokohama
02-03-22, 07:42 PM
never used pay at the pump that's the Mrs job and since she will not/can no longer ride pillion I have to do it myself so its into the orderly queue - but I do not bother to remove helmet - not been challenged yet.
ps She was a terrible pillion passenger any way- you lean left and I will lean right!
I won't touch pay at the pump now they debit your card £100 before you even put any fuel in.
Craig380
02-03-22, 09:07 PM
I always fill sitting on the bike, I can squeeze a bit more in that way.
Adam Ef
02-03-22, 11:40 PM
I won't touch pay at the pump now they debit your card £100 before you even put any fuel in.
I thought it was just a pre-authorisation and they dont actually take it. It's just pre-authorised so they can access payment if you do a runner?
daktulos
03-03-22, 07:39 AM
I thought it was just a pre-authorisation and they dont actually take it. It's just pre-authorised so they can access payment if you do a runner?
It is (for the pumps I use anyway) - they charge £1 which is updated after a day or two. However, they reserve £99 so you won't be able to spend that money until it's been updated.
It makes no difference to me as I tend to have more than £100 in the account. Equally, it'd be fine if I had an overdraft on that account.
only Morrisons or Asda i think that do that value. My local Tesco only subs £1 when you process it. For the bike it would be inconvenient, but for my car it would jsut about cover it (£95 to fill up)
EssEllTwo
19-03-22, 06:05 PM
I'm sure I remember filling my Fazer whilst sat on it, but the couple of times I've filled the SV, I've done it on the side stand, mainly so I don't clumsily clonk the tank with the nozzle and damage it.
I won't touch pay at the pump now they debit your card £100 before you even put any fuel in.
I believe the principle is that if you are using a DEBIT card, the contract is between YOU and the retailer, and they want to ensure that YOU will have the funds to pay the bill, so "claim" the max amount the bill could reach (the limit of the potential sale at the pump, £100 or something similar). The account is corrected after the sale/payment has been completed, that may take a short while.
If you use a CREDIT card the contract is between the retailer and the card company. It is very unlikely a credit card company will not honour the contract hence they don't need to lay claim to the max amount. The card company pay the bill then you have to settle up with them, not the retailer.
I know that in France the law regarding an individual not paying (e.g. writing a bouncy cheque) is a serious offence and will result in your bank account being seized etc., hence the measures to ensure the payment will be made. I never use a debit card at a fuel pump.
I may be wrong on some of the detail, others will correct if necessary.
BoltonSte
21-03-22, 12:57 PM
I filled up as ASDA on Friday last week using Pay at Pump. It came up on the screen that Mastercard (credit) changing the way they processed the transaction and would do the allocate the funds then adjust after thing.
Guess not everyone has been paying their cc bills.
EssEllTwo
21-03-22, 06:15 PM
I won't touch pay at the pump now they debit your card £100 before you even put any fuel in.
Who is the "they" in this case? I filled up the car at Asda on the way home tonight, the pump "approved £1" and then let me fill up. I currently have one "pending card authorisation" for £1 for Asda showing on my bank account. The full £75 is nowhere to be seen, let alone £100.
Chris_SVS
21-03-22, 06:26 PM
Always filled up astride, when I fuel my van I absolutely neck it (cos DPF additive)
yokohama
21-03-22, 06:47 PM
Who is the "they" in this case? I filled up the car at Asda on the way home tonight, the pump "approved £1" and then let me fill up. I currently have one "pending card authorisation" for £1 for Asda showing on my bank account. The full £75 is nowhere to be seen, let alone £100.
The 'they' is the card companies and banks, presumably in association with the petrol companies. In effect, they are moving towards ringfencing £100 in your account when you use pay by pump in lieu of default. In your situation, if you were on your bike for example, the pending card authorisation would be £100 and you'd have £15 of petrol in your bike. Happy with that?
As Embee mentions earlier, "The account is corrected after the sale/payment has been completed, that may take a short while." However, the short while may be a few hours or in some cases, several days, which is not good if you're close to your credit limit or low on funds in the current account.
EssEllTwo
21-03-22, 07:15 PM
Ok, I must be lucky then, I've never seen £100 authorisation come up on a pump, only only £1.
yokohama
21-03-22, 07:24 PM
It's a relatively new introduction - to protect against drivers filling up without having enough funds in their account to pay.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/07/changes-to-pay-at-pump-up-to-p100-withheld-from-customers-accoun/
daktulos
22-03-22, 07:36 AM
Ok, I must be lucky then, I've never seen £100 authorisation come up on a pump, only only £1.
As I understand it, it's a pre-auth, so you're charged £1 but with £99 reserved - you won't see it anywhere except in your "available to spend" total which will be lower than your balance + overdraft if you have one.
EssEllTwo
22-03-22, 06:30 PM
The £1 wasn't charged to me, it was only authorised. It was not debited from my account, but as you say, it was removed from my "Available to Spend". There was no £100 or £99 doing anything, Park Royal Asda is not doing £100 pre-auths. The full £75 fill up is showing as a debit transaction today.
Whilst it will not send you into overdraft, I can see it causing issues if you are running close to the wire and it blocks money you have in credit but can't use.
you are only charged for what you use at PAP. the authorisation is to check that you have sufficient funds available. some places are different amounts and i know that Morrisons is £100 but some are £1 which is just a token to make sure that your account is active. its up to you to know how much money you have available in your account. if you dont have the £100 then you will have to use somewhere else or PAK. there is no buy now pay later.
BTW the pump cuts off at £100 but you can just return the nozzle and do it all again. this is going to be getting more common with current fuel prices.
of course you can always pay by cash.......
The difference between the two methods is trivial, so do whichever you prefer.
Being a worrier, if I refilled sitting on the bike I would have visions of the pump not shutting off, filling my lap with petrol which then ignites from the static as I slide off the bike and me running around with a burning crotch. :(
I get off the bike to fill up :)
(as an aside, I filled up two days ago at Esso and there was a warning on the pump saying that it might not automatically shut off and requested that you be careful)
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