What's the point here? [Archive] - SV650.org

jonboy

14-08-03, 10:35 PM

Ah, you're referring to the Benji/Lee Simmons forum I take it? ;)

I have to agree that the forum is becoming somewhat overun by frivolous and non-SV posts. Maybe that's a rather undemocratic statement but I do feel you've got a point.

How about a new section entitled "Serious SV discussions"? At least that way we could select just that particular section (as well as the Soho Massive of course!) and forget about the rest.

Everyone else would naturally be able to make their own choice.

Too elitist/focused? Christ knows...

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Viney

14-08-03, 10:51 PM

Sorry.

But really, how many questions can you ask about the bike.

What tyres
What exhaust
What Brakes
What hoses
It keeps cutting out

etc...

This is not a dig, but just highlighting what where the most posted questions on the last forum.

I mean come on, live a lttle...have a laugh. Its nice to have software that allows us to do it at last.

:D

Jelster

14-08-03, 10:52 PM

Have to agree with Thumpa. SV650 forum is for, let me think..... ah yes, discussion about the SV.

Too much idle banter the content of which is begining to sound like a bunch of naughty school boys...

sv4me

15-08-03, 12:01 AM

Personally I think its an age thing. You old farts are jealous http://www.bgh.org.uk/mayfair/images/c_pfbbt.gif

But seriously,being young & having the mental age of a 3yr old myself,I do tend to talk about stuff that older riders might not be interested in,but you dont have to listen do you?

Theres probably stuff that would bore the **** off me on here but I just take a ganders at what interests me,I suggest others do likewise.

We could always setup two areas,one for 18-30 and then one for everyone else! :idea:

ixlr8

15-08-03, 01:09 AM

Been wondering bout this myself, but mainly about the difference betwwen the forums (fora?). The banter is fun but seems like it belongs in The Bar which I'd have thought is the ideal place to chortle and have a laugh. Tho it doesn't bother me that much. OK, I'll go and potter in the garden now. :oops:

Marrus

15-08-03, 05:45 AM

A forum section for 18-30 year old. Oh heck - 32 - officially an old fart :)
Now where did I put my slippers ? Cant find them guess I'll just have to whack my leathers on and have blast on my SV! 8) j/k

Seriously tho - dont be too purist. Ok its for SV's and maybe the odd thread should be in the Bar and not here, but maybe a really busy forum makes for the best SV site in existence!

Ive been on many a board where people are put off posting as they are jumped on by people saying "you should post in that section and not here". Personally I find the Lee/Benji posts, for example, most amusing at times. And if it doesnt really go that off thread I dont see the issue in some harmless fun. Fun is why we have SVs ?

Just my 2p's worth because I think its a great forum and excellent site but there is only so much you can discuss "generally" about an SV. Sure there shouldnt be threads in here which are started on non SV matters, thats for the Bar, but an injection of humour from time to time makes my working day go faster !

Yay - Friday and a sunny weekend. Wonder what we'll be doing then 8)

Thumpa

15-08-03, 06:41 AM

If you want to talk to the grown-ups about bikes theres always another forum (http://www.sv1000.zyns.com/). Average age (mental and actual) seems a little higher here. :wink:

Amanda M

15-08-03, 07:19 AM

I really enjoy this forum. So many forums are really serious and a bit boring to be honest, but with this one you can ask a serious question and get sensible answers but you can have a laugh as well, which we all need seeing as most of us are posting from work....ahem....

Amanda

Fizzy Fish

15-08-03, 07:23 AM

I reckon live and let live. with the new forum you can always skip over threads that don't interest you and some of the digressions do give more of a flavour for who people are aside from what bike they have

on the other hand, there are some people out there that should definitely be doing more work during the day!!! :wink:

Amanda M

15-08-03, 07:36 AM

I couldn't agree more :wink: I'll get started after a coffee - honest :lol:

purple eyed pig

15-08-03, 07:51 AM

Glad to see that this thread didn't wander away from the serious topic of the SV motorcycle in all it's forms :twisted:

We had all this with the Soho brigade on the last board. If you aren't interested, don't read or at least don't post. the thread will drop off the first page and no-one will suffer.

Jelster

15-08-03, 08:04 AM

Yes we did, and I defended the point very strongly, but it was ALL SV based, even the wind ups... What seems to be happening now is the discussions are going "off topic" when a number of people enter them. So you could be reading about something bike specific which then leads into a totally non related subject (womens breasts seem to be a common theme).

The Soho Massive problem came up when a number of users up north thought that their was excessive use of the board for 1-2-1 contacts & discussions. We now have PM for that and the London contingent is quite large so a separate area does make a bit of sense. Maybe we John could look at including a "Northern Area" and even a "General Chat" area... Nothing to do with age, it's to do with content.

Nekkid

15-08-03, 08:05 AM

I agree with Purple Pig, it's the same answer as with the Soho Massive thing. If you don't like the title, don't read the post.

Suki

15-08-03, 08:05 AM

Good morning Thumpa,

Pleasantries over - GET A GRIP!! :shock: How can you say that? :cry:

Yes, this is a forum for SV650 riders, but thankfully, its more than just a bunch of bike crazed citizens raving on about technical problems and paint finishes. A new biker myself, this is the first website I have found that has interested me. This site makes me feel at home, because as well as answering serious bike related questions, I can meet people with similar interests and actually forge friendships. Believe it or not, I actually have a laugh with my fiends, and talk about things other than bikes - thats why sometimes you may find a thread on a non bike related issue - because we are all human and actually have lives and other interests!

And for the record, I went on my first ride-out last night, thanks to Lee Simons who organised the whole thing. It was a big moment for me, and Lee is a top bloke who did a sterling job of organising everything. And as for Benji - another top bloke, who made the effort to come miles out of his way to meet everyone, even though his own bike is off the road.
Everyone who came last night are totally great people, and all of them have said something non bike related at least once on this site, and had a few laughs to boot. Everyone is polite as wll, which is a lot more than can be said about other bike sites and forums.

I couldn't wish for a better website, or a better bunch of people to share my interests with. If mental age is what you're worried about, if you can't have a laugh with friends then your mental age must be about 700 in pious years!

No offence meant Thumpa, honestly, and I apologise if I seem harsh. But really, like the guys say - live and let live - if you don't like it, don't read it! :wink:

Benji

15-08-03, 08:22 AM

I have to say after getting back last night after a really great time meeting the peeps here it was more disappointing to read what is here than it is to not have my bike working, seriously.

All I want to say is, if it wasn't for this board then would I have met some fantastic people last night? No. Would I have had some great support in trying to get my bike fixed? No. Would I have even bought an SV650? Maybe not?

Now I could understand if no questions were being answered but they are. I try to help with whatever information I know to be true and also contribute what I have experienced in the hope that it might help others. You attack me and others for putting up general chit chat and yet when I put a serious question in the Tweaking and Tuning section I get a bit of a silly answer? I'm confused. I have to say there have been some really really helpful peeps, Weegaz seems to be desperately trying to answer every single question with really helpful answers, TimSVS and a good few others and yet there don't seem to be many contributions from the very people who have put in a bit of a complaint?

Now I would say in the last few weeks this board has kicked off even more, its great, everyone is lively and wants to come back to see how people are doing, and not (as Vinyl thankfully pointed out) to see if 010's, etc are still the best thing for my SV. It has really turned into a community now so much so it made it so easy last night to actually meet the others. I think your being a little harsh on us, we have actually thought it was getting a little side tracked and in fact last night it was mentioned that there should be an 'Off topic - General Discussion' forum like every other board like this has, 'The Bar' isn't exactly it.

I'm not angry and I don't want this to be like a rant (although I know that it is) but I am a little upset and phased by what he's been said, especially after a great meet last night (thanks Lee). If you want me off then yes there other boards but right now I kinda know how the SoHo Massive must have felt, such a shame really.

Benji

purple eyed pig

15-08-03, 08:22 AM

OK then.

JOHN (Editor/Admin man and all round good egg!)

Can we have 'Not SV related general discussion' area please?

The problem I have now is that you don't get the summary of posts like on the old forum, so until you open the thread, you can't see if it's gone off topic. Also, you can't split off like the old forum - that used to have lots of little threads under each big thread sometimes, and you could choose to follow whichever bit you wanted.

Agree we have a fixation with breasts, but what collection of men doesn't :shock:

Viney

15-08-03, 08:25 AM

Cripes. Look, it isnt Visordown....nowhere near it, so chill dudes.

Now as far as i know, John has invested a lot of time into this new site, and not forgeting Kevin for starting it.

Im sure that both Kevin, and john would love to see this forum used, for no matter what. If all this forum consisted of where people asking abou the sv and all its faults and attributes, then im sure it would be one dull place to be, and all the effort put in by the admin team, would be a total waste of time. Now we are all grown ups (No matter what you mental age) and we can all make out own decisions, but to be honest, its a Forum. It dont hurt anyone, it dont disuade(Sp?) people from coming on here. As we have seen people come here for the fun of it as well.

To be honest, on the old site, when soemone came on and asked which exhust/tyre etc, there where some people, whos names i cant rememebr, who just posted up "Do a search" Not very warming was it.

People come on here, see the banter thats going on, and think that they may become friends with other riders. I know that i have met a few very good frinds through bike forums like these.

Im 32 by the way, so well past it. Lifes to short to be serious.

jonboy

15-08-03, 09:11 AM

There's also a further issue. With users trying to out do each other to see how many posts they can make coupled with all the other non SV related posts there is a danger that the load we're putting on the server might eventually cause the forum to be scaled down.

Remember folks that the bandwidth and server space (both considerable now, surely?) are very generously donated to us and as there is no commercial incentive then perhaps we had better start thinking about how we use these facilities.

Of course only John can give us the exact nature of the problem and hopefully I'll be proved to be just a doom and gloom merchant but for now surely we should simply tread carefully? After all, it would be a crying shame if this board wasn't here this time next year.

Other than that, yes I agree totally that a seperate area for general chat would be a good idea. And as for this "age-ist" feeling that seems to be pervading the forum I would have thought that younger minds would have been more enlightened, pity.

I'm also amazed that the Soho Massive has been attacked yet again especially as they haven't done or said anything! Weird.

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purple eyed pig

15-08-03, 09:15 AM

Who attacked the Soho Massive? Just mentioned it as a problem on the last board which was solved in the new board with no trouble.

Chasing top ranking will soon become boring and I'm sure John can archive off old threads to save space if it's needed. I'd have no issue with making a small contribution to the site if it helps keep it going. I give plenty fo money to far less rewarding and effective causes at the moment (PAYE, Road Tax, Petrol Tax........ :twisted: )

la la la..... nearly the weekend.... and it's sunny!!!!

Amanda M

15-08-03, 09:19 AM

I've certainly made some new friends through this site and have learned a LOT about my bike. It's nice to know that there are people out there that will help, but will have a laugh. I know some other SV forums, but none are as good as this one :D

Benji

15-08-03, 09:20 AM

Err tell me you not actually serious. The bandwidth being used up is miniscule, don't forget HTTP is fire and forget, once it is submitted there is no longer any bandwidth being used.

And as for posting to boost rates thats rubbish, whilst it was joked about, thats not what I and certainly others were not setting out to do, we just contribute a LOT to this board trying to give advice to others.

I am sorry but that was a bit silly of you to say that.

Benji

vtwin

15-08-03, 09:23 AM

I think things will calm down when all those bloody students go back to school!! :lol:

Benji

15-08-03, 09:26 AM

Your under the delusion that we actually go to lectures? :lol:

Benji

sharriso74

15-08-03, 10:01 AM

So whatever happened with the great Jaffa cake debate......

Come on it's Friday, the sun's out and we've got a whole weekend of of riding eating and drinking, not at the same time though...

TK2216UKG

15-08-03, 10:13 AM

Trying to fit replacement rear indicators to my SV last night. Goddammit I was really hacked off when I saw that the indicators use bullet plugs but the connectors for the stock SV indicators are block connectors.

I've been told that all third party indicators use bullet pl.... oops, sorry. Wrong thread.

Benji

15-08-03, 10:16 AM

Jees TK, you could atleast get the correct terminology, its MOLEX connectors :roll:

:lol:

Benji

TK2216UKG

15-08-03, 10:25 AM

Nah mate, I'm telling you... they're bullet plugs. :wink:

Slim

15-08-03, 10:48 AM

**** ( * )

Benji

15-08-03, 11:03 AM

Erm, Slim, you okay there mate? Did you get back okay?

Sorry didn't get to speak to you much, once I got the bike back I am sure to see you over the bridge :)

Benji

andy

15-08-03, 11:08 AM

With me coming up from behind - I wish I had got to those lights 2 seconds earlier :-)

Benji

15-08-03, 11:11 AM

we talking about the lights near Box Hill, the LED types? Joe was going to pull a stoppie but they changed and was worried people might pile on into the back of him.

When we left that lay by the first time when we all regrouped he wasn't planning on wheelieing, so I just leaned 13 stone off the back and.....oh there it goes. :lol:

Benji

Benji

15-08-03, 11:15 AM

Yeah I think it was us. Who was the other guy anyway? Joe wanted to know if I could get any contact details because apparently he had only just changed from the rotary damper and hadn't set up his suspension and wanted a hand.

Benji

Raf

15-08-03, 11:20 AM

The other guy was Ethan, Rizla's other half.

davyf

15-08-03, 11:25 AM

All this whinging about thread content what's this thread got to do with bikes. Be selective in what you read & if others choose to get together & communicate with each other let them get on with it. After all isn't the forum for riders to get together share info views make friends etc. too insist everyone has such a narrow outlook reminds me of the thought police at work. Live & let live.

Slim

15-08-03, 11:25 AM

I am OK benji, just a bit scared to make any posts today under the circumstances. I got back fine thanks had a really good night!!!

Lee - Yes that was me, we had a little race, next time your mine!!!!

Guy on TL1000 was Etienne, married to RizlaSV. He forgot to get number of other dude on TLS as well.

How mad is that power cut in US? (Relate to site - How do you think all the Suzuki dealers in the north of America are coping? Oh my God, imagine not having the SV650.org available???) At least don't have to go to work hey? Also, can tell the Mrs that we will have to make are own entertainment for the day......polish the SV!!! :lol:

Happy Friday everyone! ( * )

Benji

15-08-03, 11:26 AM

Ahh cool, thanks, cheers Raf. Cool to see you there last night as well.

Rizla's bike is very smart. I'll PM her or something, don't want to take things toooo off topic on to TL's or something :twisted:

Benji

Suki

15-08-03, 12:34 PM

Look who's talking you mad person - it was you came past me like a concorde on the A29! I swear I was cought in your back-lash... :lol:

(Relate to site - racing on SV650)

jonboy

15-08-03, 12:42 PM

Err tell me you not actually serious.

Yes, of course.

The bandwidth being used up is miniscule, don't forget HTTP is fire and forget, once it is submitted there is no longer any bandwidth being used.

The bandwidth is far from miniscule. Look at it this way: the page that your post came from uses 1487 lines of code and is approx 76k in size (without any graphics). It's also been looked at approx 400 times. Now that equates to over 30 megabytes. If you then consider that that there are over 500 users (most of which have an Avatar image) and there have been over 6000 posts so far since the first week of July, then I assure you that this amounts to a considerable amount of bandwidth over the course of a year and costs someone money.

If you don't believe me, try hostng this forum on the free space you get with a standard ISP account - you'd be closed down within days.

And as for the http, well it's ALL http, regardless of text, images, video etc.

And as for posting to boost rates thats rubbish, whilst it was joked about, thats not what I and certainly others were not setting out to do,

If you examine your posts, you can see that's exactly what you were trying to do (albeit for just a short while and obviously for a laugh) although it really isn't that important, it was merely an example of how the forum wasn't being used to it's best and makes it more difficult to find the posts that are truly worthwhile.

we just contribute a LOT to this board trying to give advice to others.

Yes you do and I'm sure it's appreciated by all.

So to end this (please God!), the point is that a lot of folks on this forum have only the SV as the main point of interest. There are those that don't and that's fine. If John, the forum moderator, is happy to section off part of it for more social orientated subjects then I think it would be an excellent idea, just like the Soho Massive has it's own section and is focussed purely upon SVs, guys and gals at Soho and anything else that's related.

Please understand I'm not trying to be critical of anybody (expecially not you Benji or Lee - top blokes both of you I'm sure) just felt I had to add to Thumper's point about excess baggage!

;)

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Benji

15-08-03, 12:51 PM

meh :? Point taken about the bandwidth. Fair enough however I am still not sure the way things blew up in the first place. Surely if people like Thumpa are only interested in the SV then why click on none related topics in the first place? And then to top it off if it was a mistake clicking on the link which might not be SV related why compound it by posting to it and sending it right back to the top? Doesn't make sense to me.

Benji

Suki

15-08-03, 12:56 PM

Excuse me Benji and Johnboy - please refrain from talking about bandwith on this site. It's hardly related to the SV650, now is it? :wink: :lol: :lol:

FUBAR

15-08-03, 09:35 PM

:)

YOU DONT HAVE TO READ ALL THE POSTS DO YOU ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

:wink:

1eesimmons

16-08-03, 08:11 AM

why would we want to go to another forum, anyway? noone would read our posts then and we'd feel insignifcant

Red ones

16-08-03, 09:09 AM

JONBOY what bandwidth does your last post use? (Only making a point, not throwing stones from here - for those who don't know Jonboy he is a nice bloke)

But are we questioning whether the forum is for the purpose of discussing SV related bits and bobs, or is it a community of riders?

Considering the wide spread of technical, wanted, for sale and ride out posts I feel the forum is the meeting place for a community, with a distinct community feel about it. Non-related posts are inevitable. It is this off-topic discussion that helps make ride-outs etc more dynamic as all riders are aware of topics and issues that are moving along and developing between meets.

If we must stick to topic then we run the danger of the forum becoming a virtual meeting - I for one have too many meetings in my work life.

Perhaps the balance is to run a non-related forum, just as theere is a Soho board

vtwin

16-08-03, 10:03 AM

The old forum had it's fair share of nonsense - remember JimmyJam? - but it seems that a lot of the posts on here contribute nothing to the original thread. People seem to write stuff just for the sake of it, as if they just like the sound of their own virtual voice. It doesn't bother me cos I just look for the avatar image and ignore everything written by Benji and Lee!! :lol:

clanger

16-08-03, 11:03 AM

blimey..you think we were all robots or something...

Its only natural that humans should want to talk to one another..its how we communicate.. anyway on 'general discussion' posts we can talk about 'general' stuff - not just technical and bikes etc.

Another general observation is that people would perhaps like to meet up with peeps who ride the same bikes...and without talking we wouldnt know if they are the sort of people we'd like to meet....

If you dont like what you see - then dont read it. You do have the choice you know!!!!

Jelster

16-08-03, 02:02 PM

Well as you can all see John has put a new board on, for "Idle Banter", cheers John, and nice to see you back.

Hower, the point that was trying to be made here is as follows:

If somebody starts a thread on a particular subject it is fairly safe to assume that they wish to see responses about that subject. However, like "Idle Banter" the focus of the discussion seems to wander away from its original focus. I may not want to read 2 or 3 people having an identity crisis or whatever, especially if the subject was "Cheap SV mods" etc..

All sorted now as all the "young ones" have their own play area and us boring old farts can continue reading about their beloved bikes. All sorted, once again, well done John...

jonboy

16-08-03, 02:15 PM

JONBOY what bandwidth does your last post use? (Only making a point, not throwing stones from here - for those who don't know Jonboy he is a nice bloke)

Just out of interest, I worked out that my post above took approx 5k and 121 lines of code! As for the amount of bandwidth it's impossible to calculate.

I agree with a lot of what you say Hugh but just felt that topics have become vague and of course. Now that John has succumbed to pressure (!) from us old geezers (thanks again John) the Idle Banter section will be a haven for social chit-chat and the like. Harmony is once again returning to sv650.org! ;)

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Viney

16-08-03, 06:38 PM