Porsche driver expecting jail after biker death

[Gforceuk]

Death driver told to expect jail
A Notts driver has been found guilty of causing the death of a biker after the pair raced on a road at up to 100mph.
Darren Cooper from Kempton Road, Mansfield, had been racing the motorbike in his £100,000 sports car.

He denied causing death by dangerous driving, but was found guilty by a jury which reached a majority verdict.

Christopher Busby, 36,from Clipstone, lost control on a bend on Southwell Road West, last April. The rider died after hitting an oncoming car.

The jury, who returned a majority verdict, were told Cooper had been racing Mr Busby in his rare black Porshe GT2.

Witnesses put their speed at anything from 70mph to 100mph.

The prosecution said Mr Busby bore a considerable responsibility for what happened, but it took two to race.

Judge John Burgess bailed Cooper for sentence on 10 December, but warned him he faced jail.

[embee]

...on the basis of those facts as stated, I find myself short on sympathy for either of them.

Feel very sorry for the families. :cry:

....oh, and we're having to pay for this character to be kept in jail too. :evil:

sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's the way it is. :roll:

[Gforceuk]

Well they should sell off his 100k porsche to pay for his time inside.

[22]

as the prosecution said "it took two to race".

[Wiltshire7]

i dont think he deserves a jail sentence going on what has been posted. there must be more to it as i dont see how the rider getting hit head on with a 3rd party is the porche drivers fault. they both entered into a race, putting themselves and others around them in danger.

an accident caused by fast machines in the wrong hands.

[Carsick]

They were both driving dangerously. One of them paid the price for that, as unfortunate as that may be.
The other one still needs to be punished. I can't say I believe he is guilty of causing death by dangerous driving, but he was certainly driving dangerously and somebody died.

[Muttley]

He lost control on a bend, that would suggest he was driving above his level of skill and control, IMO.

Sounds pretty dangerous to me.

Its this sort of situation that makes you realise that racing should be left to the track, not the road.

[Peter Henry]

Possibly just a little bit of a sobreing story for us all maybe? :?

[Carsick]

They were both driving dangerously. One of them paid the price for that, as unfortunate as that may be.
The other one still needs to be punished. I can't say I believe he is guilty of causing death by dangerous driving, but he was certainly driving dangerously and somebody died.

So you were there and saw it then?
Nope, but I'm using what we call available information. Luckily I'm not the one making any decisions in this case, was purely putting forth an opinion.

[21QUEST]

Based on the information posted,

Both driving dangerously? Yes.

Porche driving guilty of 'causing death by dangerous dring? In my opinion 'No'. The biker caused his own death by driving dangerously. Yeah it took two to race but the dead rider had the choice not to. I just hope the driver if possibly does not get a jail term or one as short as possible atleast.

To me it's a bit like relatives of people killed/injured as passengers in vehicles where they driver(their friend etc) has been drunk asking why the driver killed their son etc by drinking and driving? Sorry but your son or daughter knowing their friend has been drinking has to take responsibility for their own safety and subsequent death or injury.

Cheers
Ben

[Barty_b0y]

its get worse i know them :(

my crash was in the same spot as there`s they shut the road down to pick up the bits :( not mine though thank god

after reading more of it the seems to be a bit of thinking as to what happened

the road is a dual carriageway with a slight right hand bend that you could take at 100 mph but as regaurd to doing it at 100 racing thats another story as im aware he crashed before the bend anyway but

i also heard the posrche was sqeezing him into the offside lane there are islands to the centre of the carriage way so there is no break up between oncomming traffic apart from these

as i understand it he hit an island or clipped and island border this then catapulted him into an oncomming car

that as far as i know is what happened

[Carsick]

That adds a whole new dimension to the case.
I don't think there's a great deal of point in saying what I think now, since I think alot of you are thinking the same thing.

[Wiltshire7]

So i guess its impossible for us to make a judgement as we dont know enough. Like all cases which people disagre with, the judge/jury know more about it than we ever will so we put our faith in their hands. Thats our system.

[Sincs]

If a car starts to race you on a bike, it is totally your decision as to what you do. If you race and have an accident then sorry but as far as I am concerned you pay the consequences. If you decide not to race but have an accident due to the other driver/rider then you sue the **** out of them (if you live) and if not then the other party should be done for murder!

[Philbo]

If a car starts to race you on a bike, it is totally your decision as to what you do. If you race and have an accident then sorry but as far as I am concerned you pay the consequences. If you decide not to race but have an accident due to the other driver/rider then you sue the sh*t out of them (if you live) and if not then the other party should be done for murder!

Agree with Sinc 100%
That said, the Porche guy still deserves a good boot in the family jewels for driving like a tw*t regardless of any subsequent accident.

[derbybiker]

can't find the link but I'm told that the driver has been sent down for 5 years. I'll do more searching and post a link if I find it.

[Cloggsy]

can't find the link but I'm told that the driver has been sent down for 5 years. I'll do more searching and post a link if I find it.

:evil: Should have been 25 years :!: :toss:

[derbybiker]

here's the link: -

Nottingham Evening Post (http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=134236&command=displayContent&sourceNode=133963&contentPK=11487401&moduleName=InternalSearch&keyword=porsche&formname=sidebarsearch)

[Patch]

Ok if and its a big if he was the driver then maybe he deserves the sentence but...

For 6 months the police were looking for a blue car, based on a witness testimony, They actually arrested someone with a blue porsche but released him when another witness came forward (6 Months after the accident) who identified that the car was infact black and was driven by the person now convicted.

Despite extensive CCTV examination none was used at the trial to substantiate the allegation.

The opriginal witness (who said it was blue) has been "lost"

The new witness went to school with the owner of the Blue Porsche who was originally arrested.

Personally I think this conviction smells a little.

Now whatever if you ride a bike and race a car you know the risks, I think scapegoating the car driver is a bit rich he did not cause the biker to crash, did not run him off the road and 5 years is a long sentence especially when compared with that of Gary Hart.

[BURNER]

There is no justice in the world.
I know of a bloke who hit someone while doing a wheelie on a public road and he got 5 years.

[A_Rivers]

I think the guy driving the porsche shouldn't have been charged with anything. I am sick to f**king death of people not being responsible for there actions. I'm sorry the biker got killed but it was his desicion, no one forced him to race the guy.

[DrBob]

The judge said that Mr Busby, who had been riding a high-powered Ducati Solo, probably tried to overtake Cooper in his Porsche and the businessman took up the challenge.

Cooper's driving forced Mr Busby's bike into the path of oncoming traffic on the A617 Southwell Road West near Mansfield at about 5pm on April 12.

From what I read the Porsche driver got what he deserved if he caused the Motorcyclist to have an accident and who said they where racing, the Motorcyclist could have riding at the rate he was for an hour before he met the Porsche, some pin **** was overtaken by something that cost a tenth of the price of his car and he didn't like it.

I have had something like this happen to me a number of times and no doubt we all have when we're out for a nice quiet ride, I overtake a car thats doing 60 and carry on my merry way, now said overtaken car driver has now stuck his foot down and is doing 50%+ on top of 40 mph speed limits (that are dotted along the old roads to London) to catch me up and is sat up my **** while I'm doing 40 except I pull over and let those idiots back past.

[Steve H]

Going solely on the 'facts' of the newspaper article. The Porsche driver sound like a t**t. Ill child or not, it seems that he showed his contempt of the situation by not turning up. While the Ducati rider may or may not be totally blameless, I feel that the sentence will hopefully act as some sort of deterrant for driving like a ****. Which, im afraid too many people tend to do these days. IMHO

[Balky001]

If you are going to overtake, make it stick, or back off, don't be held at the side of a car for long, even if you are in a car too. It sounds like neither gave way and testosterone got the better of them. If the Porsche was trying to get the Ducati to brake by purposely pushing him towards the islands then he should be up for murder. If not, then it sounds like a tragic accident. But as far as the Porsche driver goes, racing is illegal (and yes I do it too) and when you get caught you get punished. It was danfgerous driving (maybe by both but that's no excuse) and it did cause a death (even if that wasn't the drivers intention). I think the sentence seems appropriate.