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Just had a call from Chutz.... Tim's been knocked off, sounds like someone pulled out infront of him on the Boship Roundabout on the A22 just outside Eastbourne.
Ambulance and Police just attending now, apparently he's alive, and conscious but they're not moving him just in case.
Fingers crossed he's okay!!!!
Oh god, I hope he's okay. That roundabout isn't usually too bad. Visability is okay.
My thoughts are with him, hope all is well
Dawn
Helen02
19-11-04, 05:29 PM
Oh poor Tim!
Here's hoping that he's alright.
:cry:
Bugger! Not another one. :( I hope he is ok. Shout/PM/e-mail/phone if you guys need help with anything.
Best wishes.
Thoughts with Tim!
Hope it's just the bike that's damaged.
s**t - i know that round about well and i use it every weekend.
hope he is ok - keep us posted of any news :(
eek :(
Hope he's okie and nothing is too badly damaged.
Keep us updated.
Dan
Baldyman
19-11-04, 06:21 PM
Fingers crossed from here :(
fizzwheel
19-11-04, 06:38 PM
not good
Hope he's OK
Oh my gawd, not another one.. all the best to Coombest, hope everythings ok. :shock: :?
Okay... he was travelling out of Eastbourne on the A22... turned left at the Boship roundabout to continue up the A22.
Ian caught up to find a smashed bike and Tim 30yds up the road, unconscious. Looks like a car coming in the opposite direction tried to turn right across his path. Tim hit it, bike stopped, he carried on.
At the moment, as far as I know the only obvious injury is a broken wrist, and no other casualties. He's being taken in for a CT scan tonight on his neck and head... just to make sure he's not lost any more marbles or lost any more screws. :?
Baldyman
19-11-04, 07:26 PM
Thank God for that, pass on our best won't you :?:
Cloggsy
19-11-04, 07:28 PM
:shock: **** - just seen this - hope he's OK :?:
Pass on our best wishes [-o<
Where is he? Does he want visitors? OKAY he's never met me.............
But it still hurts
RenamedMonkey
19-11-04, 07:50 PM
Please send on my best wishes, hope it is just the wrist and a few bruises.
svpilot
19-11-04, 08:01 PM
Please pass on my regards :(
Be carefull out there all.
northwind
19-11-04, 08:22 PM
I'm glad I didn't read that one till after the relatively good news was out... Glad to hear he's realtively OK, please pass it on, and as usual offer any bits in my box that'll help.
Thanks for the update Billy. Good to know it's fixable!
Give my very best to Tim, hope he's not too badly hurt. Watch it out there folks, it's very icy tonight.
If I can help in any way please let me know.
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amarko5
19-11-04, 09:12 PM
hope thats all he has suffered :( (the wrist i mean)
best wishes to Tim ( V nice bloke indeed )
and to everyone else TAKE CARE :!:
Oooof! Bad news. :(
best wishes to Tim.
wyrdness
19-11-04, 09:25 PM
Bugger. Hate hearing news like this. Hope he recovers quickly and isn't too badly hurt.
Right folks, I just got back from the hospital. Tim has a broken right wrist and right collar bone plus a suspected broken right foot/toe. He is conscious but not very alert and is having trouble remembering things for more than a few mins. Ct scan was clear (thank God) so hopefully all is fixable.He's having his wrist fixed tomorrow and was just going off to x-ray when I left.
Very nice traffic copper called PC Spence was on the scene and thinks that the car pulled over accross Tim's lane to turn into a side road. Tim had braked without skidding and veered to the left which actually saved him I think as he went over the bonnet rather than into the side of the car with his body. I was literally 5 or 10 seconds behind so missed the actual crash but came accross the wrecked car accross my lane and found Tim on the floor the other side of it (an experience I am not keen to re-live).
Anyway, hopefully all is well.I will let you know when he is ok for visitors but tomorrow probably not a good idea seeing as he's going to Theatre and all that. I'll pass on all your best wishes.
Cloggsy
19-11-04, 10:04 PM
Right folks, I just got back from the hospital. Tim has a broken right wrist and right collar bone plus a suspected broken right foot/toe. He is conscious but not very alert and is having trouble remembering things for more than a few mins. Ct scan was clear (thank God) so hopefully all is fixable.He's having his wrist fixed tomorrow and was just going off to x-ray when I left.
Very nice traffic copper called PC Spence was on the scene and thinks that the car pulled over accross Tim's lane to turn into a side road. Tim had braked without skidding and veered to the left which actually saved him I think as he went over the bonnet rather than into the side of the car with his body. I was literally 5 or 10 seconds behind so missed the actual crash but came accross the wrecked car accross my lane and found Tim on the floor the other side of it (an experience I am not keen to re-live).
Anyway, hopefully all is well.I will let you know when he is ok for visitors but tomorrow probably not a good idea seeing as he's going to Theatre and all that. I'll pass on all your best wishes.
Good news... Keep us all info'd :thumbsup:
Jelster
19-11-04, 11:57 PM
Thanks for keeping us updated guys. When you next speak to him please tell him we're thinking of him... Once he's sorted & comfortable I'd be interested in what happens to the dozy car driver, they get off far too lightly in my opinion.
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Right folks, I just got back from the hospital. Tim has a broken right wrist and right collar bone plus a suspected broken right foot/toe. He is conscious but not very alert and is having trouble remembering things for more than a few mins. Ct scan was clear (thank God) so hopefully all is fixable.He's having his wrist fixed tomorrow and was just going off to x-ray when I left.
Very nice traffic copper called PC Spence was on the scene and thinks that the car pulled over accross Tim's lane to turn into a side road. Tim had braked without skidding and veered to the left which actually saved him I think as he went over the bonnet rather than into the side of the car with his body. I was literally 5 or 10 seconds behind so missed the actual crash but came accross the wrecked car accross my lane and found Tim on the floor the other side of it (an experience I am not keen to re-live).
Anyway, hopefully all is well.I will let you know when he is ok for visitors but tomorrow probably not a good idea seeing as he's going to Theatre and all that. I'll pass on all your best wishes.
Thanks for the info chutz.
I am so glad his CT came back clear. Bones will heal up in time. I take it he is heavily concussed not being able to remember thing for more than a few minutes. Please send my best wishes.
Sounds like it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Hope he recovers well and quickly.
Regards to Tim
Bugger... sorry to read about this.. hope Tim is well.. pass on my best!!
Thanks for all your messages guys and gals. I'm sure Tim will appreciate all of them when I relay them to him tomorrow. I don't mind saying that the whole thing shook me up. I thought it was a LOT worse when I first jumped off my bike and went to him laying in the road unconcious.Tim is a very good friend of mine and i can't get the picture of him unconscious and motionless out of my mind.F**K was my first thought and luckily my basic life support training came to mind so that I could check airway,breathing etc. Also there was an osteopath and a biking paramedic passing by within 2 minutes so he had very good and very fast care. Some **** suggested taking his lid off but luckily we were there to stop them. I pulled back his breath guard thingy to check for breathing as I didn't think he was at first and to my releif he spluttered and breathed at that point.I wasn't looking forward to removing his lid and giving mouth to mouth so you can only imagine my relief when this wasn't necessary.Maybe we should post a permanent "what to do in an emergency" section so that , god forbid, if this happens again we can all know what to do and help the situation. I'm lucky that I work in operating theatres so I know the basics but I think we should all do our best to get training in basic life support so that in these situations we can do the RIGHT things and quickly.
I think that the car driver will be prosecuted but the charge will vary depending upon Tim's final injuries. In his defence I think we all do careless things from time to time, I'm not justifying it but from what I've seen and been told by the police he was sober, a normal family guy with his wife and baby in the car, and he made a bad call. Doesn't help Tim but he was asking about Tim's condition at the hospital and in general really shaken up and concerned by the whole affair.He suffered only minor cuts, the wife and baby were unharmed thank god. I know he made a mistake but there are enough victims here tonight so I will not be making any quick judgements.
Let's all be carefull out there. I know that I will never forget the picture of my friend lying in the road so please make sure that you all ride safe.
And to think that I was actually attending a SOHO ride out/meet. Would have loved to have made it there to see you guys.Another time...I doubt it now. :(
Chutz, pass on my regards to Tim. Hope to see him back on the bike soonest.
FWIW, i think the sentiments in your last post were bang on the money.
Sid Squid
20-11-04, 09:03 AM
Just read this, really sorry to hear about it, and relief that he's not badly injured, get well soon Tim.
I think we all do careless things from time to time, I'm not justifying it but from what I've seen and been told by the police he was sober, a normal family guy, and he made a bad call.
This is sooo true.
.Maybe we should post a permanent "what to do in an emergency" section so that , god forbid, if this happens again we can all know what to do and help the situation.
Good idea!!!
Glad Tim is relatively OK.
Anonymous
20-11-04, 09:30 AM
poor tim, pass on my love to him chutz
fraser01
20-11-04, 09:40 AM
Some **** suggested taking his lid off but luckily we were there to stop them. I pulled back his breath guard thingy to check for breathing as I didn't think he was at first and to my releif he spluttered and breathed at that point.I wasn't looking forward to removing his lid and giving mouth to mouth so you can only imagine my relief when this wasn't necessary.Maybe we should post a permanent "what to do in an emergency" section so that , god forbid, if this happens again we can all know what to do and help the situation. :(
You did a good job on the day, but just to raise a point you mentioned, I have recently done my refresher course and they now recommend that you do remove the helmet, obviously you take care in doing it and using 2 people is always best...but having checked the person for injuries you should then put them in the recovery position, the normal bodily reaction through shock is to vomit which is another reason for removing the helmet. When i was first told about this i was shocked, and was concerned about C spine....they said if you support the neck and head and ease the helmet of gently then it will not cause any/further damage.
Get well soon Tim, our thoughts are with you.
Regards
Fraser
rictus01
20-11-04, 09:53 AM
Just read this, really sorry to hear about it, and relief that he's not badly injured, get well soon Tim.
I think we all do careless things from time to time, I'm not justifying it but from what I've seen and been told by the police he was sober, a normal family guy, and he made a bad call.
This is sooo true.
Just read this too and echo Ian's sentiment. pass on my best to Tim.
Tim is a very good friend of mine and i can't get the picture of him unconscious and motionless out of my mind.F**K was my first thought and luckily my basic life support training came to mind so that I could check airway,breathing etc.
I think we should all do our best to get training in basic life support so that in these situations we can do the RIGHT things and quickly.:(
I don't think luck had much to do with basic first aid training, you either make the effort to learn or you don't, most don't, I learnt basic CPR when I was 12, it's a totally unselfish thing to do after all you're never going to use it on yourself.
Well done chutz, although you didn't need it, you were prepared.
Just think what you would have felt like not knowing what to do :shock: waiting around for the Ambulance.
I'm of the opinion everyone who drives should pass a basic first aid course anyway, what's the point in me knowing how to preserve live, if I'm the patient and no one around at the scene knows :?:
Getting a bit of topic here, anyway as I said, pass on my best to Tim.
Cheers Mark.
Some **** suggested taking his lid off but luckily we were there to stop them. I pulled back his breath guard thingy to check for breathing as I didn't think he was at first and to my releif he spluttered and breathed at that point.I wasn't looking forward to removing his lid and giving mouth to mouth so you can only imagine my relief when this wasn't necessary.Maybe we should post a permanent "what to do in an emergency" section so that , god forbid, if this happens again we can all know what to do and help the situation. :(
You did a good job on the day, but just to raise a point you mentioned, I have recently done my refresher course and they now recommend that you do remove the helmet, obviously you take care in doing it and using 2 people is always best...but having checked the person for injuries you should then put them in the recovery position, the normal bodily reaction through shock is to vomit which is another reason for removing the helmet. When i was first told about this i was shocked, and was concerned about C spine....they said if you support the neck and head and ease the helmet of gently then it will not cause any/further damage.
Get well soon Tim, our thoughts are with you.
Regards
Fraser
Just as a side line to this, when I had my accident and was pinned under the Armco, I was desperate to remove my helmet. It was a roasting hot day (remember those) and funnily enough I suffer from claustrophobia, I was going into a panic attack. No one would remove my helmet for me. With a smashed pelvis and plenty of broken ribs, I managed to get the helmet off myself. I then passed out, but that was another issue.
I also am in total agreement with Mark in reference to learning the basic life saving skills although I wouldn't say just drivers, I think everyone should be taught at school as part of the curriculum.
Oh and ofcourse well done you for knowing and having the knowlege in the first place :thumbsup:
rictus01
20-11-04, 10:10 AM
I have recently done my refresher course and they now recommend that you do remove the helmet, obviously you take care in doing it and using 2 people is always best...but having checked the person for injuries you should then put them in the recovery position, the normal bodily reaction through shock is to vomit which is another reason for removing the helmet. When i was first told about this i was shocked, and was concerned about C spine....they said if you support the neck and head and ease the helmet of gently then it will not cause any/further damage.
Get well soon Tim, our thoughts are with you.
Regards
Fraser
I don't doubt what you say, but.
Having seen the result of the public trying this, I wouldn't let anyone remove my helmet, unless I KNEW they were trained properly.
We covered Boxhill as part of our area (Surry Ambulance Service) and the number of injuries exacerbated by helmet removal by people "helping out" could have been huge, only three I can remember did it actually cause spinal damage, but that's three to many, I wouldn't like to be one of them.
You can't remove a crash helmet without two people in this situation, and unless it's life threatening, I wouldn't try (that's where constant patient monitoring comes in). I’ve never heard of a minor C spine injury :shock:
Cheers Mark.
fraser01
20-11-04, 10:19 AM
Our refresher course was run by Hampshire Ambulance Service, I wouldn't call myself highly trained, i have only done the courses provided by the force...would you let me take your helmet off...
I would recommend that everyone who uses the road should take part in some kind of training, and learn what to do at a scene of an RTI...
Obviously if the person is awake asking basic questions is easy but if you are unconscous then you are in the hands of the carer...more people die from being left on their backs....
I suppose alittle knowledge is potentially dangerous.....
:wink:
rictus01
20-11-04, 10:47 AM
Our refresher course was run by Hampshire Ambulance Service, I wouldn't call myself highly trained, i have only done the courses provided by the force...would you let me take your helmet off...
I suppose alittle knowledge is potentially dangerous.....
:wink:
If you were by yourself, and I was unconscious but breathing, I would hope you wouldn't try :!: you can still assess a patient and move them into a postion where they won't compromise their airway, with their helmet on, not the best thing to do but better than being paralised.
You need two hands to support the spine and stadilize the head and the helmet needs to be removed in a certain way by another two hands, so unless you have four hand :shock: then apart from saving my live because my airway was blocked, leave it alone.
I have been a patient in this postion before, as such you are unable to tell if you've got spinal injuries (most want to get up / or remove their own lid, not wise( Si take note)) A car driver from a heavy impact iaccident (car rolled a couple of times) several years a go, on the Caterham bypass, got impatiant with us (ambulance crew) said he was fine, a bit bashed & bruised, and got up him self, walked about six feet and collapsed with full respitory arrest. so it can happen, I've see it.
It's not so much "alittle knowledge is potentially dangerous" as doing nothing can be more so, and if I was unconscious and not breathing, that means I'm dying, so the way my helmet is removed becomes less inportant, as dying could only be made worst by being dead, and not removing the helmet would prevent clearing the airway and effective CPR.
It's a case of the lesser of two evils, the patient has stopped breathing.
remove helmet by yourself = possible spinal injuies on a live patient.
Leave helmet on = compromised airway, ineffective CPR, dead bloke.
Cheers Mark.
Cheers Mark.
Just a thought about the removing helmet thing, it wouldn't concern me so much for a couple of bikers to remove my helmet, but anyone who has never actually put a properly fitting full face helmet on themselves won't have a clue about how tight they can be and the most appropriate method to remove one.
You need to "roll" it off forwards (think how you put yours on and off). Anyone trying to pull it straight up or worse tilting it backwards is likely to do some damage I'd have thought. I haven't been shown a method in any training, but I'd go for a hand in through the front and "wedge" it off pressing against the top of the head if I really had to do it, but for me it'd be only if absolutely necessary.
Like most things, it might well be good advice/practice for trained people, but untrained Joe Public..............
I have a sticker on my helmet saying "Do not remove helmet until seen by Doctor". I reckon anyone who knows what they are doing will make the judgement for themselves, anyone who doesn't know what they are doing might be best to leave it on. If they're not bright enough to realise I've stopped breathing or am choking, they probably won't know what to do about it anyway.
Difficult one. :?
Only just read this...........Hope that Tim comes through OK.
Mark (Rictus01) - would you be willing to put your thoughts and experience into a some notes for us, so that we can read them and digest over time?
Flamin_Squirrel
20-11-04, 12:34 PM
:(
Get well soon Tim
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It's a case of the lesser of two evils, the patient has stopped breathing.
remove helmet by yourself = possible spinal injuies on a live patient.
Leave helmet on = compromised airway, ineffective CPR, dead bloke.
Cheers Mark.
Wasnt there a case where some guy sued someone for leaving them a paraplegic (sp) while saving their life?
Best wishes to Tim and hope he makes a full recovery.
Just read this... All the best to Tim, wishing him a quick and full recovery....
S
rictus01
20-11-04, 03:58 PM
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It's a case of the lesser of two evils, the patient has stopped breathing.
remove helmet by yourself = possible spinal injuies on a live patient.
Leave helmet on = compromised airway, ineffective CPR, dead bloke.
Cheers Mark.
Wasnt there a case where some guy sued someone for leaving them a paraplegic (sp) while saving their life?
It's possible, but very unlikely, you'd have to prove they didn't intent to help and done it on purpose, however the same can be said for the other way round, if for example a doctor was at scene and did nothing, then that could be see as harming the patient.
We don't have the clearly defined "good Samaritans" laws (http://medi-smart.com/gslaw.htm) like the states, so it's all left for the courts to decide what was reasonable at the time.
Mark (Rictus01) - would you be willing to put your thoughts and experience into a some notes for us, so that we can read them and digest over time?
Been though this before jabba, and as I've said in the passed, I could do this; I've a book shelf full of emergency care stuff and loads of firsthand practical experiance, but the best way to learn is hands on, (you need the confidence to know what you are doing), so give your local ambulance service a call or getting yourself down to a st johns for some trainning( another way is to join a club of some sort/ I'm also a dive medic with PADI, and my son done his through sea cadets). it really is a skill for life and anyone can do it.
I used to do some of the school visits in my instructors roll with the service, and although most of it was showing them the ambulance and medical kit, we also covered what to do if an accident happened at home, bear in mind these were 8-9 yr olds, they to can learn how to do effective CPR.
It's not the learning, or the access to training or even the thinking "it's a good idea", it's the doing something about it :!:
If you what to help others in these situations, get a book read it,get some trainning, you'll find a way. just remember "I'll look in to that tomorrow" could be a day after you need it.
Cheers Mark.
The same happend to me, a driver turned right into a junction.
As for removing the helmet, I took mine off and threw it at the driver that hit me and then I started having a panic attack because I'd removed my helmet and my neck could have been broken, I was in a right old state. :lol:
But anyway, get well soon.
I've only just seen this - can't tell you how my heart lurched when I saw the thread title. Poor sod, best wishes for a very speedy recovery :thumbsup: Hope he's out the ozzie soon.
When I came off, the first person on the scene turned out to be a consultant anaesthetist, so he knew exactly what to do. And that included leaving my helmet on and keeping all the gawking passers-by (who wanted to take it off) at bay. The paramedics removed it, and a damn fine job they did too.
Just been to see Tim again. He had an op this morning to fix his arm and stick a plaster on his broken ankle. He was much better today,tired but making sense. He's already dreaming of a Daytona 650 and moaning that he needs food and a cup of tea so back to normal there then.
Tim said he would be more than happy for anyone to visit so he's in Eastbourne DGH on Seaford 1 ward. Visiting hours are 3-8 but I always ignore that anyway!!! I passed on your good wishes.
I have never been more relieved in my life...
bluebell
20-11-04, 06:11 PM
Sorry to hear of Tims accident here's wishing you a full and speedy recovery.
He is conscious but not very alert and is having trouble remembering things for more than a few mins.
So hes back to normal then :shock: :lol:
Pass on my wishes. Tell him that hes a doughnut and that my SV is for sale...sure i could come to an 'arrangement'!!! :lol:
Seriously, glad hes ok'ish.
21QUEST
20-11-04, 08:54 PM
Wishhing him a speedy recovery.
Cheers
Ben
All the best,get better soon Tim.
Right folks, I just got back from the hospital. Tim has a broken right wrist and right collar bone plus a suspected broken right foot/toe. He is conscious but not very alert and is having trouble remembering things for more than a few mins. Ct scan was clear (thank God) so hopefully all is fixable.He's having his wrist fixed tomorrow and was just going off to x-ray when I left.
Very nice traffic copper called PC Spence was on the scene and thinks that the car pulled over accross Tim's lane to turn into a side road. Tim had braked without skidding and veered to the left which actually saved him I think as he went over the bonnet rather than into the side of the car with his body. I was literally 5 or 10 seconds behind so missed the actual crash but came accross the wrecked car accross my lane and found Tim on the floor the other side of it (an experience I am not keen to re-live).
Anyway, hopefully all is well.I will let you know when he is ok for visitors but tomorrow probably not a good idea seeing as he's going to Theatre and all that. I'll pass on all your best wishes.
Christ. Please pass on my best to him, and my commisserations on the hospital food.
Hope to see him up and abaout soon
Just been to see Tim again. He had an op this morning to fix his arm and stick a plaster on his broken ankle. He was much better today,tired but making sense. He's already dreaming of a Daytona 650 and moaning that he needs food and a cup of tea so back to normal there then.
Tim said he would be more than happy for anyone to visit so he's in Eastbourne DGH on Seaford 1 ward. Visiting hours are 3-8 but I always ignore that anyway!!! I passed on your good wishes.
I have never been more relieved in my life...
Where abouts did he break his arm mate?
Glad to hear he's not too badly beaten up - best wishes for a quick recovery :thumbsup:
****e... :shock:
Only just seen this, Hope he's on the road to recovery, Please pass on my best anyone who sees him....
Happy to offer any help needed.... as i'm sure anyway who's met the guy will be
All the best Tim if you read this
Only just seen this - wishing you a speedy recovery Tim
Ian Kennard
21-11-04, 10:48 AM
Chutz, please send my best wishes to Tim too. It seems he can make a good recovery.............great news.
My immediate thoughts are with you though!! I cannot imagine how you must have felt when you came upon Tim lying in the road. His body reacted as it should - complete shut down. But I guess yours went into emotional overload............who took care of you?
Hope you are okay as well - look after you in all this.
bikerskez
21-11-04, 11:37 AM
Just read about Tim, i'm glad he's feeling better, chutz please pass on my regards, glad you were there for him, skez
Chutz, please send my best wishes to Tim too. It seems he can make a good recovery.............great news.
My immediate thoughts are with you though!! I cannot imagine how you must have felt when you came upon Tim lying in the road. His body reacted as it should - complete shut down. But I guess yours went into emotional overload............who took care of you?
Hope you are okay as well - look after you in all this.
Mr Muscadet and Mr Strongbow took care of me!!! No seriously my parents were there for a hug and a chat and I have lots of friends to chat to. Thanks for the concern as I have had better days than Friday.
In answer to another question Tim broke his wrist (I think it was the radius) down near the wrist joint which is not a great place to break it. Physio beckons I suspect.
Flamin_Squirrel
21-11-04, 05:29 PM
So... if he broke the radius he broke his arm then?
Probably better than the wrist its self :?:
So... if he broke the radius he broke his arm then?
Probably better than the wrist its self :?:
Radius and Ulna are actually "the wrist" mate. I know it can also be called the forearm but people "slit their wrists" not their forearms if you get my meaning. I thought that "pedant" thread had finished ages ago. A broken hip tends to be top of the femur,not always the ball joint but it's still a broken hip.
Flamin_Squirrel
21-11-04, 06:17 PM
I understood that the radius went from the wrist to the elbow, so although it might end in the wrist area its not one of the bones that make up the wrist joint. Not being pedantic, just didnt understand what you were saying.
I was also concerned as I'd imagine that braking of the wrist bones would be more serious than a break of the radius.
Ah well, who cares, as long as a swift and full recovery is achived :!:
I understood that the radius went from the wrist to the elbow, so although it might end in the wrist area its not one of the bones that make up the wrist joint. Not being pedantic, just didnt understand what you were saying.
I was also concerned as I'd imagine that braking of the wrist bones would be more serious than a break of the radius.
Ah well, who cares, as long as a swift and full recovery is achived :!:
No worries mate. It is generally considered a wrist break if the break is at that end of the forearm bones. An actual breakage of the wrist joint bones themself is extremely nasty and hard to fix so your clarification was indeed worthwhile. The closer the break is to the joint the worse it is and Tim's is close to the joint so it's a nasty break from what I've been told.
So... if he broke the radius he broke his arm then?
Probably better than the wrist its self :?:
Radius and Ulna are actually "the wrist" mate. I know it can also be called the forearm but people "slit their wrists" not their forearms if you get my meaning. I thought that "pedant" thread had finished ages ago. A broken hip tends to be top of the femur,not always the ball joint but it's still a broken hip.
Oh I know all about that :roll:
Our refresher course was run by Hampshire Ambulance Service, I wouldn't call myself highly trained, i have only done the courses provided by the force...would you let me take your helmet off...
I suppose alittle knowledge is potentially dangerous.....
:wink:
If you were by yourself, and I was unconscious but breathing, I would hope you wouldn't try :!: you can still assess a patient and move them into a postion where they won't compromise their airway, with their helmet on, not the best thing to do but better than being paralised.
You need two hands to support the spine and stadilize the head and the helmet needs to be removed in a certain way by another two hands, so unless you have four hand :shock: then apart from saving my live because my airway was blocked, leave it alone.
I have been a patient in this postion before, as such you are unable to tell if you've got spinal injuries (most want to get up / or remove their own lid, not wise ( Si take note)) A car driver from a heavy impact iaccident (car rolled a couple of times) several years a go, on the Caterham bypass, got impatiant with us (ambulance crew) said he was fine, a bit bashed & bruised, and got up him self, walked about six feet and collapsed with full respitory arrest. so it can happen, I've see it.
It's not so much "alittle knowledge is potentially dangerous" as doing nothing can be more so, and if I was unconscious and not breathing, that means I'm dying, so the way my helmet is removed becomes less inportant, as dying could only be made worst by being dead, and not removing the helmet would prevent clearing the airway and effective CPR.
It's a case of the lesser of two evils, the patient has stopped breathing.
remove helmet by yourself = possible spinal injuies on a live patient.
Leave helmet on = compromised airway, ineffective CPR, dead bloke.
Cheers Mark.
Cheers Mark.
note taken :wink:
Rob S (Yella)
21-11-04, 09:05 PM
Just read this, bad news. :(
I had the head of the Radius shattered and it is basiclly one half of the wrist. The other half being all the little bones in the hand. It can be a pig to get it mobile again but this obviously depends on the type of break. Mine was about as bad as it gets (without loosing the hand) with it smashed into small gravel like pieces but after a few pins and an external fixator I have a usable wrist that doesn't hinder me to much in day to day use. (but I can't use a motorbike throttle anymore)
So even if it's a fairly bad break he should get thru OK, the key is in the physio. The biggest bummer is you cant use crutches which is a problem when your leg/foot is injured as well.
Best wishes and lets hope for a speedy recovery.
Just read this, bad news. :(
I had the head of the Radius shattered and it is basiclly one half of the wrist. The other half being all the little bones in the hand. It can be a pig to get it mobile again but this obviously depends on the type of break. Mine was about as bad as it gets (without loosing the hand) with it smashed into small gravel like pieces but after a few pins and an external fixator I have a usable wrist that doesn't hinder me to much in day to day use. (but I can't use a motorbike throttle anymore)
So even if it's a fairly bad break he should get thru OK, the key is in the physio. The biggest bummer is you cant use crutches which is a problem when your leg/foot is injured as well.
Best wishes and lets hope for a speedy recovery.
Been thinking the same thing myself.Tim goes home tomorrow and can't walk or use crutches. I hope his mother doesn't mind swearing too much :lol:
WildBill
22-11-04, 09:56 AM
:shock: Not another one! :shock:
I hope you're back on your feet soon Tim.
Just catching up on the news
glad all is relatively ok now.
Send my regards to Tim, he is the reason my bike is such a hoot now (TPS mod etc)
:P
Nick762
22-11-04, 10:51 AM
Oh Boy!
I turn my back on the forums for a couple of days and look what happens!
Get well soon OK!
elmerfud
22-11-04, 12:58 PM
:shock: get well soon Tim
Dave & Jo
My thoughts are with Tim and I hope he has a speedy recovery.
Ride safe out there guys!
I got caught up in the traffic on the way back from Uckfield. My heart sank when I saw the SV by the roadside. :(
Hope you get well soon.
Regards,
Rob.
howardr
23-11-04, 01:34 PM
Sorry to hear the bad news. Here's to a speedy recovery.
all the best to tim for a speedy recovery. never nice to hear.
does anybody know if its his wanking wrist? he may be needing our help in his recuperation.... :wink:
seriously tho, is it THAT wrist? sorry. all the best dude. look forward to hearing/seeing you on here again shortly
all the best to tim for a speedy recovery. never nice to hear.
does anybody know if its his wanking wrist? he may be needing our help in his recuperation.... :wink:
seriously tho, is it THAT wrist? sorry. all the best dude. look forward to hearing/seeing you on here again shortly
Unfortunately Tim is right handed, and yes, it was his right wrist that got broke - probably by his hand being wrenched off the brake lever. :evil:
As to whether Tim uses that hand for the afforementioned activity, I could not tell you! :lol:
Tim will probably need some help in this department over the next few weeks, months... and I'm sure that any help from the lovely biker chicks of the forum, will be appreciated!
does anybody know if its his wanking wrist? I may offer my services for his recuperation.... :wink:
KEITH!!!! :wink:
Tim is now home so his mother can take care of all that :oops:
You are all sick puppies in my book!!!
I will pop over on friday to see him and show off my lovely new ccc exhaust.
Shame the bugger got himself mullered and didn't help me fit it!!! :lol: :lol: :? :shock: 8) :lol: :)
Tim is now home so his mother can take care of all that :oops:
You are all sick puppies in my book!!!
I will pop over on friday to see him and show off my lovely new ccc exhaust.
Shame the bugger got himself mullered and didn't help me fit it!!! :lol: :lol: :? :shock: 8) :lol: :)
hang on a tick!! we spoke about offering w*nking services, you call us sick, then come on here to tell us he's home so his mum can take care of him :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
who's sick?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tim is now home so his mother can take care of all that :oops:
You are all sick puppies in my book!!!
I will pop over on friday to see him and show off my lovely new ccc exhaust.
Shame the bugger got himself mullered and didn't help me fit it!!! :lol: :lol: :? :shock: 8) :lol: :)
hang on a tick!! we spoke about offering w*nking services, you call us sick, then come on here to tell us he's home so his mum can take care of him :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
who's sick?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Chutz - Keith, doooooods! PMSL!
coombest
25-11-04, 12:03 AM
Well...
Here I am!
I feel somewhat crappy and being at my Mum's place doesn't help that!! :roll:
First things first - I cannot reitterate enough what Ian (chutz) has done for me.
As far as I see it, he has saved my life (or at the very least made it a whole lot better than it could have been) and I can never repay that.
Ian and I were really good friends any way but I think this has had the opprtunity of either ruining a great friendship or making it stronger...
I think in this case, the latter has happened.
Right - enough of all that! He knows how I feel and I truly have a friend for life there! :D :D :D :D
I do not remember a thing about the accident (for which I think I am quite lucky!) but can certainly feel the after-effects! :shock: :evil:
I sustained a broken right collar bone, broken right wrist, broken right big toe and a hairline frature to the right ankle. I am in plaster from toe to my knee and from my knuckles to my elbow.
I have a LOT of pain primarily from the joints (all over) and also from the breaks. I have not been given excellent pain reliwf nopw that I have left hospital so I'm beginning to feel it all!!
I am finding it VERY difficult to type, so forgive me if I talk crap!
I am unsure how long I will be off work, but I can't imagine it'll be for less than 2 months but only time will tell!
Having been laid in bed for hours, the only thing I have been thinking of doing is going for a ride! I NEVER thought I would react likr that but I think kit has become such a large part of my life it has become something to do and perhaps even a coping mechanism/relief!?
I know for a fact that my SV is a write-off and (according to my police mate), so is the car that hit me!
I quite fancy the new Triumph Daytona 650 next but we will see!!
I have a Solicitor working on my behalf to regain something for the personal injuries I have sustained and the effect this will undoubtedly have on my live and ny career.
God knows how lonh it will take but I'll keep my fingers crossed!
Most of my kit was wrecked or cut off me but I feel it did an incredibly good job of saving me, especially the helmet!
I neary forgot to put on my back-protector but stopped and got it on, which I am so thankful for!
Here's a list of ehat I was wearing - In will post more about the condition of them when I have seen them!!
SiDi Black Rain Evo Boots
RST (Not sure on model!) leather/fabric armoured winter trousers
Frank Thomas Aqua (Not sure on exact model!) jacket
Clover back protector
Alpinestars Jet Road winter gloves
Shoei XR900 (Thank you thank you thank you Shoei!!!)
That's probably about all I have energy for right now as I am in agony and am very tired but wanted to tell you good folk that I am OK, to thank you for your kind words and also to thank Ian for being amazing!!! (Gush, gush, gush!!) Ian's gonna hate this but I don't care - It needs saying!
To everyone that has been to see me or who has left a message for me:
Thank you
coombest
25-11-04, 12:06 AM
does anybody know if its his wanking wrist? he may be needing our help in his recuperation.... :wink:
seriously tho, is it THAT wrist? sorry. all the best dude. look forward to hearing/seeing you on here again shortly
Yep - I am indeed right handed! :shock:
BUT I am ambidextrous (which is just as well, as I need both hands any way!! :D :D )
Good to see you back Tim, Hope to see you soon, best of luck with the recovered, insurance etc
yay! good to hear you on here coombest/tim!
good luck in your persuits of injuries compensation, for your gear etc
mostly good luck and wishing you well on your breaks, strains and aches and pains.
all the best
keith
ps good luck with daytime TV !!! :shock: :shock:
Great to read you are out of Hosi mate
Remember if you are feeling a bit down and maybe slightly peckish as you are at your mams...
there is always Bitty :lol:
Bitty!!!
http://www.davidwalliams.com/full/lbseries2/ep1/PDVD_102.jpg
Coombest. Good to see you up and about.
spIke, BillyC. Sick, sick, sick!
Tim, good to see you posting and hope to see you about soon.
Professor
25-11-04, 10:54 AM
Glad you are online again, Coombest! Wish you a speedy recovery
and hope we meet in person at some future rideout.
You should think positive thoughts: good thing you had your off at
the end of the season, so you that you are fully functional and
with a new bike (Triumph Daytona 650?) by Spring.
bluebell
25-11-04, 11:26 AM
Glad to hear your out of hospital, hope you make a full recovery and best of luck with your claim.
BaggaZee
25-11-04, 11:53 AM
Always a pleasure to find these posts when it turns out that all's well.
Well, you know what I mean. Best of luck with everything Coombest. Try not to miss the bike too much & keep thinking of the excellent shopping to be done when you've recovered. :D
RenamedMonkey
25-11-04, 12:43 PM
Hi Tim,
Glad your alive and well, or as well as can be. Hope your pain relieves soon.
Just keep thinking of your next bike :D
Take care.
Glad you're getting sorted Tim - great attitude. ;)
.
ArtyLady
25-11-04, 01:41 PM
Hope u recover quickly Coombest - keep looking forward to that new bike :D
great news! hope all mends very soon... did you purchase your xrays?
(or maybe it's just me with a morbid sense of humour!)
So glad you are out of hospital and on the road to recovery, good luck with the insurance.
great news! hope all mends very soon... did you purchase your xrays?
(or maybe it's just me with a morbid sense of humour!)
Yeah, I was going to get mine, but at £40 for a small sheet and £60 for the large one.... I thought better of it!
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