My fault?

[Carsick]

Ok, a little story about my ride home from Preston last night.
I was on the M6, heading onto the M61 (had to stop at Chorley).
In the left lane on the sliproad an HGV was trundling along. I indicated and came off onto the second lane.
Suddenly, I became aware of the HGV's indicating right and starting to move into my lane.
I swung to the right, but couldn't leave my lane because somebody was almost beside me, luckily, the truck driver had seen me by now and stopped moving across; I nailed it and got past, the car that had been to my right got out of there sharpish as well, and the HGV came completely off the sliproad and continued on the M6.

From memory, there was a solid white line between me and the truck; I was doing 70 ish as I came off the motorway. I am sure that the truck wasn't indicating before I left the motorway, as well.

Am I to blame for my near squashing? Regardless I will be a little more carefull of this particular situation, but I'm interested in finding out the opinions on whether there was more I should reasonably have been doing.

[timwilky]

feckin hell you past my door by 500yds

Why did you not drop in.

OK your problem is that 2 lanes go onto the m61 from the m6 the second lane is optional. Therefore I guess truck in lane 1 got stuck as it is up hill from the tickled trout and most slow stuff is in lane 1 (for the m61) once a gap appears in lane 2 he is in it.

I have seen loads of near misses here. it is ****e road design but unfortunately where the peeps try to fix it there is not the budget.

[Carsick]

Heh, I've been up that way quite a few times, always with a tight schedule, though.

So, basically, you reckon it was probably a combination of bad luck and possibly bad timing with when the lorry driver looked and when I appeared?

[timwilky]

As you said

"I was on the M6, heading onto the M61 (had to stop at Chorley).
In the left lane on the sliproad an HGV was trundling along. I indicated and came off onto the second lane. "

To me this reads that you came from first to second lanes whilst leaving the m6 to join the m61

Like I said lane 2 is optional whilst still on the m6. So if you were a bit quick off the mark you were leaving yourself open to either faster m61 traffic or slower m6 traffic.

Best advise here is wait until you have completly left one motorway for the next. It is only 50 yds so less than a couple of seconds before you attempt to change lanes.

[splke]

feckin hell you past my door by 500yds

Why did you not drop in.


Cos he dosen't like you


Heh, I've been up that way quite a few times, always with a tight schedule, though.



See :wink:

[timwilky]

Now Now Spike

Whilst there will always be that little squabble over which is the more nobler side of the hill and who was the rightful bum on the throne we have to band together in the name of northern hospitality.

[454697819]

Tis all his fault.

I know the juncion u mean, he probably found himself heading for the M6 when he didnt want to be!

He should have mirrored signalled manouvered, so he should have seen you!
But evidently he didnt, glad ur ok!

Alex

[splke]

Now Now Spike

Whilst there will always be that little squabble over which is the more nobler side of the hill and who was the rightful bum on the throne we have to band together in the name of northern hospitality.


:P

[howardr]

See my comments here

http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=15617

[Warren]

remember you guys - if your indoubt about if you have been seen or anything .
a sound of the horn wont do any harm - infact , thats what its there for (contrary to popular belief)

[fizzwheel]

dont want to apportion blame, so I'm not gonna..

My Uncle used to be a HGV driver, he said one thing to remember when following a lorry

If you can't see their mirrors, they cant see you..

[Stig]

Sounds like it was a case of 50/50 to me. I assume that you were in his blind spot. Blind spots in trucks can be as big as a bus. If you always ride assuming that every other road user was actually blind, you wont go to far wrong

[mysteryjimbo]

If you always ride assuming that every other road user was actually blind, you wont go to far wrong

You mean they're not!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Carsick]

If you can't see their mirrors, they cant see you..
Oh I could defintiely see his mirrors.
But yeah, if you look at it the way BigApe put it, I assumed a bit too much safety and didn't give myself a good enough escape route.

[Warren]

dont want to apportion blame, so I'm not gonna..

My Uncle used to be a HGV driver, he said one thing to remember when following a lorry

If you can't see their mirrors, they cant see you..

remember tho - "if you cant see them in their mirrors - they cant see you"

[Ken McCulloch]

I assumed a bit too much safety and didn't give myself a good enough escape route.
And well done for admitting some responsibility. To me the key word in your original post is 'suddenly'. It's often argued that if you are anticipating all the eventualities (like vehicles finding themselves in the worng lane at a M-way junction) nothing is ever sudden or unexpected but simply something you deal with. Easy to say, hard to achieve consistently. I'm glad you coped with the situation.