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Went through a red light this morning, it was changing as I was half-way over. Black ice, couldn't really stop so chanced it. Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror.
I heard something about the amount of flashes dictating whether a camera has ran out of film and I'm hoping this is relative to the number 2! Please advise.
I need some luck today. A stupid cow has sitting behind and to the right, decided to accelerate while coming into my lane. Genius! Some horn and brakes got no attention. At traffic lights I pulled up alongside and began calling her a stupid f'ing tw*t and so forth. She stared ahead like a zombee.
Itching 2 go
14-01-05, 12:27 PM
all i can say is if there was black ice about why would you put yourself in a position that you felt your only optiopn was to run a red? you should really slow down if not for yourself then for the safty of otjhers. my pet hate is people that run red lights :evil:
Fair enough. It's my first incident in 3 years. I was ****ed over that stupid cow. If I've been done fair enough.
Itching 2 go
14-01-05, 12:33 PM
Fair enough. It's my first incident in 3 years. I was p*ssed over that stupid cow. If I've been done fair enough.well at least you understand where i am coming from. noidea on the film tho
Cloggsy
14-01-05, 12:35 PM
I hope you're lucky - but the first flash will have been you crossing the line, the second will be of you further on... I think you'll be getting a letter :(
Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror
How far is "some distance"? Were you on the other side of the junction when the first one triggered?
If so then it's probably not you.
The "two flashes" thing applies to Gatsos............. 2 flashes and there's film in, one flash and there isn't.
So far as I know, all red-light cameras either have film in or are digital. They all have film in because:
1. It's a more serious offence (check the fines/points) and so dealt with more diligently by the authorities
2. They don't run out as often because they're not triggered so often as only idiots and those with low self-esteme are stupid enough to run the risk of triggering them.
Two flashes just mean it's taken a picture...don't know if it has any bearing on whether or not there is any film left in the spool! I got Flashed twice at a speed trap a while back, I was doing 30 something in a 30 zone while the A8 was being upgraded. Never got a letter though!
Just need to keep your fingers crossed. [-o<
Phil.
Itching 2 go
14-01-05, 12:44 PM
Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror
2. They don't run out as often because they're not triggered so often as only idiots and those with low self-esteme are stupid enough to run the risk of triggering them. :lol:
mysteryjimbo
14-01-05, 01:25 PM
I've gone through lights that are just about to change to red and do so as i'm going across the junction but never on red.
You shouldnt be going through lights so fast when there is a chance of them changing. Strangly, that is the exact reason why my examiner failed me on my last driving test although i dont think it was justified. Something along the lines of i was too close to the car in front and i would have had to brake too hard.... b*ll*cks was i....
The flashes happened a long way after I'd cross the lines, perhaps 50+ meter before I saw the first flash.
There was no cars behind but one slightly back in left hand lane which had either came through legally and accelerated hard, turned through an amber going green and been flashed or had come from behind me and flicked lanes quickly.
If the first flash happens on the line then I'd say I'm safe, maybes ... :?
howardr
14-01-05, 02:32 PM
As far as I know, if it's you that's being done you'll be flashed straight after the traffic light ie: while you're still on the junction. If you were 50 yds up the road, I doubt very-much that it was flashing you.
Ride safe :)
Ken McCulloch
14-01-05, 02:41 PM
Andrew mate, the cameras at junctions are linked to the light sequence so if you triggered the camera you are going down. The two flashes (two pictures) allows your speed to be measured. The most worrying thing is that the road user most at risk in this incident was you. I really fear for your long term future, when I think about your previous tales of derring-do, going over a blind summit on a starnge road at what speed was it again? Now running red lights on the entirely spurious grounds that you couldn't stop because of ice on the road? Get a grip.
I will now shout: ALWAYS RIDE SO THAT YOU CAN STOP SAFELY TO AVOID A POTENTIAL HAZARD. That includes being able to stop at the lights btw.
I beg you to have a think about your attitude and approach. Getting angry at other people's stupidity is very understandable but don't let it affect your safe riding. Remember you are 37 times more vulnerable than the people in the cages and ride accordingly all the time. You are a lot younger than me I think but from what you post here I don't rate your chances of a long life. Maybe you're after a Darwin Award? :wink:
Mythkind
14-01-05, 03:01 PM
The two flashes thing doesn't actually mean much nowadays. Most cameras have been modified electronically to flash twice regardless if they have film in them or not.
MK
leatherpatches
14-01-05, 03:11 PM
If you were actually 50m down the road, there is no way it was flashing you.
Balky001
14-01-05, 03:19 PM
whether you get done or not you were lucky, any herbert who knows the lights sequence could have started to go as soon as their lights turned amber and given you even more to think about. That said, try an pull a 90 degree wheelie next time so your plate can't be read! :wink: (no, I'm joking!)
BaggaZee
14-01-05, 04:16 PM
Remember you are 37 times more vulnerable than the people in the cages and ride accordingly all the time.
37 eh? :wink:
Can't disagree though, you will always lose an argument with anything which has more than 2 wheels.
If it was icy why on earth were you going too fast to stop?! :?
As usual the usual big-brother ****e on how to ride my bike. :roll: I did not ask for comments, I asked if the double flash meant anything.
3 to 4 years and I've never fell off or hit anything, but thanks for all the wonderful advice on how to become a safer rider...
As usual the usual big-brother sh*te on how to ride my bike. :roll: I did not ask for comments, I asked if the double flash meant anything.
3 to 4 years and I've never fell off or hit anything, but thanks for all the wonderful advice on how to become a safer rider...
Oooohh, get you!!! :lol: :lol:
Seriously Andrew I think that people are just showing concern for you. We all know how much notice you get to stop at lights so maybe you should concentrate on doing things right rather than bike maintenance for a while. :wink:
Ride safe dude
As usual the usual big-brother sh*te on how to ride my bike. :roll: I did not ask for comments, I asked if the double flash meant anything.
3 to 4 years and I've never fell off or hit anything, but thanks for all the wonderful advice on how to become a safer rider...
Oooohh, get you!!! :lol: :lol:
Seriously Andrew I think that people are just showing concern for you. We all know how much notice you get to stop at lights so maybe you should concentrate on doing things right rather than bike maintenance for a while. :wink:
Ride safe dude
personally i dont know. but 50 meters seems like a long distance for a camera to read your number plate.
people can seem all mighty high on this forum i agree, but you gotta remember that they only want you to be safe. they dont want to read "andrew charneys funeral thread pt1" we all make mistakes. even jonboy, jabba, and ken. but you must learn from your mistakes - thats what makes us different to car drivers.
as chutz says Ride safe dude
creamerybutter
14-01-05, 11:29 PM
Gatso flash twice as they take two pictures so they can work out the speed or who was speeding if there are two vehicles in shot I think, nowt to do with film.
I have only ever seen redlight cameras flash twice like some one else said I would imagine it would be to judge your speed.
at least you saw the flash, I got two speeding fines and 6 points, the first thing I knew about them was the letter landing on my doormat. 2 in the space of a week!
I agree with the big brother thing (no disrespect to anyone) but it is really patronising. Im 22 and this guy I know rides a Vmax and he is 50 and he talks to me like im the worlds biggest idiot. always commenting on this and that and the other and how Im **** at this and inexperienced in that.
Valentino Rossi, is he 50?? Why aint the 40 something drivers beating him? Does the fact youve been driving longer actually mean you are any better than anyone else?
Anyway lets not get into this eh :lol:
Itching 2 go
15-01-05, 09:32 AM
I agree with the big brother thing (no disrespect to anyone) but it is really patronising. Im 22 and this guy I know rides a Vmax and he is 50 and he talks to me like im the worlds biggest idiot. always commenting on this and that and the other and how Im sh*t at this and inexperienced in that. to be honest i'm 23 and have never been spoken down to. maybe this is because of the people i hang around with or maybe its coz i'm not dangerous. yeah whilst i was learning to be sensable i was a little on the wild side like anyone. but i never run red lights even when i speed. this is coz i realise how dangerous it is.
Andrew, i understand this is not why you posted but knowing that people on here try to look after other people on here what kinda response did you expect. " o dont worry mate im sure you will be fine i have run loads of reds and not once had a ticket" I DON'T THINK SO just do us a favour and even if you dont change the way you ride make us believe you have.
we all make mistakes. even jonboy, jabba, and ken. but you must learn from your mistakes - thats what makes us different to car drivers.
Course we do. Daily.
But I, personally, have 23 years of road use, including the last 13 years driving as part of my job all over Cardiff at all times of day and night. I have all that experience to call upon when assessing the road ahead. Can't buy that, or train it into people. It's probably the single most important reason why I haven't had an "off". Yet.
Well, that and the fact that I ride like a pussy :lol:
And the paragraph about Rossi was spurious IMHO. He doesn't have to cope with mercs, BMWs, white vans, traffic lights, black ice, mud on the road, etc - when he races he does so with the creme-de-la-menthe of the biking world and they trust each other. They might not like each other, but they trust each other.
I bet that anyone on here who commutes regularly in London would beat him on the commute. Different sort of skill.
Andrew - Joe is right. If anyone is offering you advice it's out of a "frateral bikers bond" and nothing else.
well Im from London and Im always dealing with traffic but I think you can reach a plateau, there are only so many situations that arrise and you have to deal with. Ive been riding in total for 4 years and the traffic nearly always does the same thing. You can anticipate the road ahead, the actions of others and the rest is left up to your own skill in handling the bike.
My comment about Rossi was about the amount of control a rider has over the bike, experience doesnt neccessarily make you better if the other rider is naturally better than you! faster reactions, more precise judging of speed and distance and better control. You cant teach that, its a gift and some riders can learn to use their own natural abilities very quickly and be a better rider then someone who is twice their age. Some people just dont have the 'brain mechanics' in my opinion.
None of this is suggestive of my own riding, just a general opinion!
And as for this 'frateral bikers bond' yeah maybe some people are just looking out for each other but I know some are just flexing their ego's. I.e the guy with the V-Max, the furthest he's seen me drive is up his road yet he still finds it neccessary to dog my driving at every given opportunity! and based on what exactly?
for example, I was saying to him that I thought id got close to the maximum lean angle on my last bike 'no you havent! you havent been anywhere near it!'. and im thinking how the **** do you know that? Why dont you look at the huge scratches all over my exhaust pipe you old bearded biking dinosaur???
I cant be in the guys company for more than 5 minutes and hes not the only one I know like that, so there are definately exceptions to the frateral bikers bond lol!
But Im sounding young and arrogant now but in my defense my uncle has ridden sports bikes all his life (he is 40 now) and I DO LISTEN to him because hes not being a patronising old **** and genuinely giving me sound advise - so I take it all in.
mpaton2004
15-01-05, 04:22 PM
You will find out in 14 days when you either get a NIP landing on your doormat or not. If you don't get one then you have more than likely got away with it as that is the legal notice period.
Traffic lights have to have a 3 second amber-to-red phase to be legal, it might be worth checking the ones you went through just in case.
I know exactly what you feel like as I went through a set about 4 weeks ago - I've been on holiday recently and was dreading coming back to the NIP on the doormat - fortunately I didn't get one - but I learned a lot just from that experience! Never run a red light!
The penalties for a TS10 (code for a traffic light conviction) are 3 points and a £60 fine - same as an SP30 speeding fine, but insurance companies will sting you a lot more for a TS10 (i got some speculative quotes just in case and it was about 200 quid extra!)
Cheers
Martin
For your reference.
Traffic light cameras are set up to work with the sequence of the lights. The camera is not active until the traffic light has turned red. It is NOT an offence to run a light on amber, as this is only an indication to the rider/driver that the light is about to change to red. If you were to be caught by a traffic light camera then I can say with total confidence that you would still be crossing the junction at the time the camera flashed. Regardless of whether it flashed once or twice. If you were indeed already some distance up the road, then you can rest assured that you have not been caught.
As to why the camera flashed when no other vehicle could have triggered it, well, it's either a faulty camera and a vehicle travelling in the opposite direction triggered it (have done it several times myself) or it wasn't actually a traffic light camera and your bang to rights.
As to crossing a red light in the first place. I'm sure that when you went through it you must have been changing the colour of your underpants, I know I would have been. I'm sure that its a lesson learnt and luckily there was no damage done. Apart from maybe your pocket and your licence. Fingers crossed that nothing comes through the post.
Itching 2 go
15-01-05, 04:37 PM
i hate it when people disecet posts but i feel the need to do so today sorry well Im from London and Im always dealing with traffic but I think you can reach a plateau, there are only so many situations that arrise and you have to deal with.i would suggest that you take a step back and reassess what you have just suggested. only a fixed number of situations arrise so once you got them licked you'll be cool? na what you got to remember is the pedestrians and cycleists. they add a huge element of randomness to the daily commute. open your eyes more and ride slower for 2 days and you will notice more things happen than you can imagine. when was the last time you noticed that cab about to blindside you? probably never as it is in your blind spot. Ive been riding in total for 4 years and the traffic nearly always does the same thing. You can anticipate the road ahead, the actions of others and the rest is left up to your own skill in handling the bike.yes anticipation plays a large part in riding but dont change from anticipation to assumption. as a great man once said "assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups" remember that car may stay where it is as he has seen you but precisly because he has seen you he may pull out to try and remove you from your ride.
My comment about Rossi was about the amount of control a rider has over the bike, experience doesnt neccessarily make you better if the other rider is naturally better than you! faster reactions, more precise judging of speed and distance and better control. You cant teach that, its a gift and some riders can learn to use their own natural abilities very quickly and be a better rider then someone who is twice their age. Some people just dont have the 'brain mechanics' in my opinion. .well defended :wink:
None of this is suggestive of my own riding, just a general opinion!And as for this 'frateral bikers bond' yeah maybe some people are just looking out for each other but I know some are just flexing their ego's. I.e the guy with the V-Max, the furthest he's seen me drive is up his road yet he still finds it neccessary to dog my driving at every given opportunity! and based on what exactly?.assumption that because you are young and dont ride a v-max but a sports bike you are a hooligan. also your comment about reaching maximum lean. perhaps you have suggested to him you ride faster than he belives is safe.
for example, I was saying to him that I thought id got close to the maximum lean angle on my last bike 'no you havent! you havent been anywhere near it!'. and im thinking how the f*ck do you know that? Why dont you look at the huge scratches all over my exhaust pipe you old bearded biking dinosaur????.i would only imagine he is getting confused between maximum lean and maximum corner speed. however that said. on my bandit i was over as far as the tip on the rear brake pedal and i believe had i had rearsets i could have cornered faster and harder. but then am i just flexing my ego or wishing to crash :?:
I cant be in the guys company for more than 5 minutes and hes not the only one I know like that, so there are definately exceptions to the frateral bikers bond lol! .yes there are. i agree like sexy si perhaps :shock: did i just say that :?: :shock:
But Im sounding young and arrogant now but in my defense my uncle has ridden sports bikes all his life (he is 40 now) and I DO LISTEN to him because hes not being a patronising old **** and genuinely giving me sound advise - so I take it all in.fair enough but just coz hes an oldy does that mean he is better faster or safer rider than rossi?*runs and hides* :P
For your reference.
Traffic light cameras are set up to work with the sequence of the lights. The camera is not active until the traffic light has turned red. It is NOT an offence to run a light on amber, as this is only an indication to the rider/driver that the light is about to change to red. If you were to be caught by a traffic light camera then I can say with total confidence that you would still be crossing the junction at the time the camera flashed. Regardless of whether it flashed once or twice. If you were indeed already some distance up the road, then you can rest assured that you have not been caught.
As to why the camera flashed when no other vehicle could have triggered it, well, it's either a faulty camera and a vehicle travelling in the opposite direction triggered it (have done it several times myself) or it wasn't actually a traffic light camera and your bang to rights.
As to crossing a red light in the first place. I'm sure that when you went through it you must have been changing the colour of your underpants, I know I would have been. I'm sure that its a lesson learnt and luckily there was no damage done. Apart from maybe your pocket and your licence. Fingers crossed that nothing comes through the post.
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Balky001
16-01-05, 08:44 PM
caines wrote:
My comment about Rossi was about the amount of control a rider has over the bike, experience doesnt neccessarily make you better if the other rider is naturally better than you!
OK, although Rossi isn't exactly inexperienced is he? Probably has as much as anyone under 70. And Caines, if you hang out with Harley riders..... :wink:
If you are grinding your pipe, M4 do a nice high level one. My SV pegs always ground before my can though.
let me get this straight... you can get a violation and a fine from a camera?
sure, they have evidence your bike made a violation.... but who was riding it?
Carsick
16-01-05, 09:33 PM
let me get this straight... you can get a violation and a fine from a camera?
sure, they have evidence your bike made a violation.... but who was riding it?
You get a letter asking who was riding at the time and it's illegal to refuse to declare who was riding (and probably illegal to forget who was riding, as well)
carelesschucca
16-01-05, 09:58 PM
ah what ever happened to the right to remain silent...
Balky001
17-01-05, 09:36 AM
ah what ever happened to the right to remain silent...
I think that's only when they are charging/arresting you, not when they are investigating. To be fair, if you could remain silent on the NIP, there would be no point in having camera's in the first place! :lol: Which would be nice
fraser01
17-01-05, 09:46 AM
ah what ever happened to the right to remain silent...
I think that's only when they are charging/arresting you, not when they are investigating. To be fair, if you could remain silent on the NIP, there would be no point in having camera's in the first place! :lol: Which would be nice
:lol:
You have the right not to say anything, however if you do not say something when asked then an inference can be drawn by the court, i.e they may not believe what you say later on if you didn't say anything before. :?
:D
Valentino Rossi, is he 50?? Why aint the 40 something drivers beating him? Does the fact youve been driving longer actually mean you are any better than anyone else?
Anyway lets not get into this eh :lol:
Reminds me of a story from my apprenticeship days a decade or so ago... :shock:
Anyway, the Senior Electrician who really knew his stuff, retired. So the management decided they needed an "experienced" man to replace him. As luck would have it the local job centre passed on info regarding an older man, mid 50's, who had just taken a redundancy package after 25 years with one of the big Clyde shipbuilders. When they heard he lived on the same street as the guy who just retired, then realised he had the same Christian name as the bloke who just retired, the management nearly wet themselves with excitement! After a few hours in this blokes company it was apparent that a third year apprentice, me, could run rings round him. Turns out most of his 25 years experience had involved cleaning and maintaining banks of back-up batteries!
Moral of the story...
"He's old, and has done it for a long time" does not guarantee knowledge or skill.
My 2 cents! :wink:
iprideaux
17-01-05, 12:50 PM
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Just to put a dampener on things, I believe that some cameras at traffic lights are dual purpose i.e. act as red light cameras when the lights are red and act as speed cameras at other times, so they'll get you if you accellerate through them to beat the red light.
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Just to put a dampener on things, I believe that some cameras at traffic lights are dual purpose i.e. act as red light cameras when the lights are red and act as speed cameras at other times, so they'll get you if you accellerate through them to beat the red light.
I've never heard that one before, how would that work? Don't they need the lines on the road to judge your speed?
I DO NOT hang around with harley riders lol. :lol:
well Im from London and Im always dealing with traffic but I think you can reach a plateau, there are only so many situations that arrise and you have to deal with. Ive been riding in total for 4 years and the traffic nearly always does the same thing. You can anticipate the road ahead, the actions of others and the rest is left up to your own skill in handling the bike.
My comment about Rossi was about the amount of control a rider has over the bike, experience doesnt neccessarily make you better if the other rider is naturally better than you! faster reactions, more precise judging of speed and distance and better control. You cant teach that, its a gift and some riders can learn to use their own natural abilities very quickly and be a better rider then someone who is twice their age. Some people just dont have the 'brain mechanics' in my opinion.
None of this is suggestive of my own riding, just a general opinion!
Well I'm in Perth Australia, I have been riding/driving for 28 years. I have come off a bike twice, once on ice in Bournemouth and once on oil on a roundabout in pouring rain in Perth, both through no fault of my own.
Last week on my way to the track I encountered two kangaroos and a very surprised fox. A few weeks ago on my way to work I encountered another kangaroo leaping across the main road and only around 10 feet in front of me, about a year ago I got plastered in muck from a dog that got hit by a road train as I overtook it (the road train not the dog).
Don't they have animals in England any more ?
Or do they all obey the green cross code, oh...I know Tufty the squirrel does .
Amanda M
17-01-05, 02:27 PM
:shock:
There have been a few folks on here had encounters with deers recently :shock: Sheep always like wandering into the middle of the road too, makes life interesting though doesn't it :lol:
Went through a red light this morning, it was changing as I was half-way over. Black ice, couldn't really stop so chanced it. Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror.
I heard something about the amount of flashes dictating whether a camera has ran out of film and I'm hoping this is relative to the number 2! Please advise.
I need some luck today. A stupid cow has sitting behind and to the right, decided to accelerate while coming into my lane. Genius! Some horn and brakes got no attention. At traffic lights I pulled up alongside and began calling her a stupid f'ing tw*t and so forth. She stared ahead like a zombee.
Your probably alright, knowing your recent activites, you have your number plate on back to front ;)
:shock:
There have been a few folks on here had encounters with deers recently :shock: Sheep always like wandering into the middle of the road too, makes life interesting though doesn't it :lol:
I've had to dodge the odd deer on my way to work in the mornings. I also go through a patch of road where cows are free to cross the road as and when they please, luckily I havn't encountered one of them in the road yet :shock: :shock:
i hit a dead deer last nite, went straight over it :)
ah what ever happened to the right to remain silent...
Good question.
There's a case going through the European Court of Human Rights at the moment on this very point, as there's a good case that this section of the Road Traffic Act is contrary to the Human Rights Act or some such.
It's the only piece of law in the whole of Europe which does this and, in effect it says that "we, the authorities, do not have enough evidence to convict you of the alleged offence so we demand that you incriminate yourself."
It's less of an issue with forward-facing cameras such as Truvelos (which don't generally present a problem for bikes/bikers) and certainly isn't an issue when pulled over by the boys in blue.
Is it any wonder that Gatsos are so unpopular and those sent a NIP as a result feel so agrieved at the system? It's driving a wedge between road users and the police and that can't be good for society as whole.
I'm generally law abiding and law respecting (and law enforcing :roll: ) sort of bloke and, though I've never been caught by one, even I sometimes feel like torching the fuggin' things* because of what they do, what they stand for and because the system is so immoral and unjust :evil:
[*I am not advocating this. Do not say "Jabba told me to do it" :wink:]
I'm generally law abiding and law respecting (and law enforcing :roll: ) sort of bloke and, though I've never been caught by one, even I sometimes feel like torching the fuggin' things* because of what they do, what they stand for and because the system is so immoral and unjust :evil:
go on. you know you want to :)
I have also heard about this thing with dual purpose cameras at lights. I can't remember where I heard it, but I definitely did. It might have been when I was on the Met Police contract.
Flamin_Squirrel
17-01-05, 07:19 PM
...I'm generally law abiding and law respecting (and law enforcing :roll: ) sort of bloke and, though I've never been caught by one, even I sometimes feel like torching the fuggin' things* because of what they do, what they stand for and because the system is so immoral and unjust :evil:...
I wonder, perhaps some reverse phycology is in order. Write to the Guardian and all the other profoundly idiotic lefty papers saying something like, "Yeah I agree with you, those GATOSs are great. I can undertake, block traffic, speed past schools at 80mph in an un-road worthy vehicle and generaly drive as dangerously as I like. Since all the police have been replaced by cameras I can do anything I want as long as I don't speed past a camera."
...I'm generally law abiding and law respecting (and law enforcing :roll: ) sort of bloke and, though I've never been caught by one, even I sometimes feel like torching the fuggin' things* because of what they do, what they stand for and because the system is so immoral and unjust :evil:...
I wonder, perhaps some reverse phycology is in order. Write to the Guardian and all the other profoundly idiotic lefty papers saying something like, "Yeah I agree with you, those GATOSs are great. I can undertake, block traffic, speed past schools at 80mph in an un-road worthy vehicle and generaly drive as dangerously as I like. Since all the police have been replaced by cameras I can do anything I want as long as I don't speed past a camera."
Then we'd have Police and Gatsos............. I'd prefer to see Gatsos replaced by Police, and see the Police armed with the ability to use a bit of common sense and discretion, like in the good old days :wink:
"When I were a lad, living in a shoe box at the bottom of a swamp....."
"You were lucky....!"
Flamin_Squirrel
17-01-05, 07:49 PM
Then we'd have Police and Gatsos.............
Not many police though :?
let me get this straight... you can get a violation and a fine from a camera?
sure, they have evidence your bike made a violation.... but who was riding it?
You get a letter asking who was riding at the time and it's illegal to refuse to declare who was riding (and probably illegal to forget who was riding, as well)
There was a case like this a little while ago, the owner of a car got a fine i belive it was a sp30, what they said was that they couldnt make up there mind who was driving the car one said he was and the other guy said that he was driving, this went on for weeks, in the end they ended up in court with something like £1000 each and both got a speeding fine. Its not really worth doing it. :shock:
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Just to put a dampener on things, I believe that some cameras at traffic lights are dual purpose i.e. act as red light cameras when the lights are red and act as speed cameras at other times, so they'll get you if you accellerate through them to beat the red light.
I've never heard that one before, how would that work? Don't they need the lines on the road to judge your speed?
No they dont need the lines on the road anymore, how do you think the hand held speed scanners work that the police use, there are some new speed traps on the a14 near cambridge that are above the lanes that dont have any lines on them, what you get is two fixed points and it works out the speed by that.
Also always ask to see the photo you can work out what speed you are doing by counting the lines in the photo, start from the first line on the first photo taken, then count how many lines you have crossed, each white line you have between the first shot and the second shot equals 5mph, so 10 lines between the first and second photo, your doing 50mph.
And yes you get dual cameras on lights. The reason i know this is because my tw*t of a neighbour does them bloody vans that sit on fly overs getting all the buggers below. Oh yes and they dont have lines either.
Do I live in the same country as you lot? When I see a sign for 'deer' its almost like its a completely useless piece of information as I have never once seen a deer!
Do I live in the same country as you lot?
I think you meant "planet" :wink:
When I see a sign for 'deer' its almost like its a completely useless piece of information
Trust me, if a local authority has spent money putting up a sign in some remote part of their patch in the countryside then it will be there for a reason.
as I have never once seen a deer!
That would be because you ignored the sign and weren't looking. It's the one that you don't see or weren't looking for that will get you. Pray that it doesn't have antlers................
i saw a deer on the M25.
went straight over the poor blighter :)
i saw a deer on the M25.
went straight over the poor blighter :)
Did you notice any road signs? Or were you too busy doing your lifesaver :lol:
Carsick
19-01-05, 10:37 AM
Do I live in the same country as you lot? When I see a sign for 'deer' its almost like its a completely useless piece of information as I have never once seen a deer!
They usually stay away from roads, but deer are also nutters, so will occasionally just leg it across.
I live a long way from any cities, so I pretty much see them anytime I go out into the forest.
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Just to put a dampener on things, I believe that some cameras at traffic lights are dual purpose i.e. act as red light cameras when the lights are red and act as speed cameras at other times, so they'll get you if you accellerate through them to beat the red light.
I've never heard that one before, how would that work? Don't they need the lines on the road to judge your speed?
No they dont need the lines on the road anymore, how do you think the hand held speed scanners work that the police use, there are some new speed traps on the a14 near cambridge that are above the lanes that dont have any lines on them, what you get is two fixed points and it works out the speed by that.
Also always ask to see the photo you can work out what speed you are doing by counting the lines in the photo, start from the first line on the first photo taken, then count how many lines you have crossed, each white line you have between the first shot and the second shot equals 5mph, so 10 lines between the first and second photo, your doing 50mph.
And yes you get dual cameras on lights. The reason i know this is because my tw*t of a neighbour does them bloody vans that sit on fly overs getting all the buggers below. Oh yes and they dont have lines either.
Is there some on the a14 ? OOoooops :oops: Not had anything in the post
wolverine04uk
19-01-05, 04:08 PM
Cheers. I'm totally opposed to running red lights and if it did turn red it was after I'd got past the lights themselves, but I've never seen flashes in the rear mirror either so presumed I'd been caught. I've a little hope now it wasn't me since I was distance up the road after it flashed, and certainly not still on the junction.
Just to put a dampener on things, I believe that some cameras at traffic lights are dual purpose i.e. act as red light cameras when the lights are red and act as speed cameras at other times, so they'll get you if you accellerate through them to beat the red light.
As I believe there is only one of these dual purpose cameras on trial in manchester on Princess Road junction with Mauldeth Road. It catches both red light and speed, rather then either/or. I could be wrong but thats as far as I know.
Worries me a little as you need all your wits about you at that junction rather than checking your speedo you need to be checking the road.
there is a deer sign up before i hit it.
but it was quite some time after the deer
Captain Nemo
20-01-05, 11:53 AM
Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror
The "two flashes" thing applies to Gatsos............. 2 flashes and there's film in, one flash and there isn't.
Sorry Jabba, i think this is wrong, the first flash picks up you start point, the second flash picks up the distance travelled over a set time period hence the .5 second delay, this combined with the markings on the road allows the police to work out what speed you were travellling at through the cameras line of sight, although not all gatso boxes have cameras in them, all that have a camera in will flash even when out of film, some police authorities have gone over to digital, most will shortly,
check your local councils website they usually have a list of were any cameras are that month.
How come all my threads become _massive_ :idea: :?:
take it as a compliment :)
Didn't realise bloody camera and some distance down the road I noticed two flashes a second apart in the mirror
The "two flashes" thing applies to Gatsos............. 2 flashes and there's film in, one flash and there isn't.
Sorry Jabba, i think this is wrong, the first flash picks up you start point, the second flash picks up the distance travelled over a set time period hence the .5 second delay, this combined with the markings on the road allows the police to work out what speed you were travellling at through the cameras line of sight,
We actually are in agreement............. just saying different things :D
My point was that if the camera is a film-type and only flashes once (instead of twice :thumbsup:) then there's no film in it.
although not all gatso boxes have cameras in them, all that have a camera in will flash even when out of film, some police authorities have gone over to digital, most will shortly
Yep, also true. The digital ones will always flash twice.
But since this thread was originally about red-light cameras.............they only flash once anyway as there's no need to measure speed/distance.
Captain Nemo
21-01-05, 09:56 AM
[quote="Jabba-the-Hutt"]
We actually are in agreement............. just saying different things :D
My point was that if the camera is a film-type and only flashes once (instead of twice :thumbsup:) then there's no film in it.
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is this right? i thought that the gatsos flashed twice regardless of film?
you are right about the red light cameras though
is this right? i thought that the gatsos flashed twice regardless of film?
This is always as I've understood it to be........... but I can't rememebr the source so now there's an element of doubt in my mind :roll:
Time for a 'net search, I think :wink:
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