TOP 10 BIKES

[Steve H]

Good result for the SV on Men and Motors top 10 middleweight bikes
last night. It came fifth beating amongst others Yamaha R6 and Fazer, Triumph Daytona and Ducati 749! Suzuki GSXR 600 won! :lol:

[Viney]

How many times can you pit the same bikes against each other :?

[Jabba]

How many times can you pit the same bikes against each other :?

Yeah - I know what you mean.

It came fifth beating amongst others Yamaha R6 and Fazer, Triumph Daytona and Ducati 749!

No mention of it beating the Hornet :wink:

[Muttley]

last night. It came fifth beating amongst others Yamaha R6 and Fazer, Triumph Daytona and Ducati 749! Suzuki GSXR 600 won! :lol:

Apart from the Fazer none of the other bikes mentioned are even remotely similar in purpose to the SV.

Seems like they wanted to do a sports 600 test and realised that there are only 7 or 8 bikes in that catagory.

Last year the SV was pitted against the Monster 620, hornet, fazer, etc, bikes in the same class (budget/commuter), still did rather well if memory serves.

Please note that I didn't watch it so I might be talking tosh. :)

[Muttley]

How many times can you pit the same bikes against each other :?

Once a year when the new models are released. :)

Take for example the Daytona, this bike will obviously be different to last year (going from 600cc to 646cc), so needs a new comparison to its peers.

But it does get a bit boring after a while.

[Steve H]

Thats the point. The SV is different in purpose to the others. A great all rounder, thats why it did so well against that company.
Oh and Jabba, they didnt even bother mentioning the Hornet, let alone featuring it! :wink:

[Cloggsy]

Oh and Jabba, they didnt even bother mentioning the Hornet, let alone featuring it! :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Muttley]

Thats the point. The SV is different in purpose to the others. A great all rounder, thats why it did so well against that company.

But the point is that an R6 isn't designed to be an all rounder is it.

Do the same comparison on a track and the out come will be different.

[Jabba]

Oh and Jabba, they didnt even bother mentioning the Hornet, let alone featuring it! :wink:

They didn't even mention Europe's biggest selling bike in 2004 :?

Perhaps they wanted the result to be in doubt? :lol:

[Steve H]

Whereas, that was NOT the point. Most people buy supersports to pose on the road, with the very occasional track day thrown in. Take into account the overall cost of ownership and all things considered, the SV came out better than the R6. Thats not to say on the track alone , the R6 is a better bike. No ones denying this.

[Muttley]

You are missing my point completely.

They are completely different bikes, designed for different purposes and therefore cannot be truely compared to each other.

What they are actually used for is neither here or there.

Do you really think that someone who wants to pose with the latest SS 600 really cares that the SV would make a better road bike for commuting? no they wont.

Compare the SV to its peers (as I mentioned above) and see how it does. Thats the test thats of real interest.

[Jabba]

Compare the SV to its peers (as I mentioned above) and see how it does. Thats the test thats of real interest.

And Viney's point was that it's been done to death anyway.

Does a bit of black paint in a K5's frame make it go quicker or handle better? Nope - thought not, so why the endless tests?

None of the middleweight 600/650's in the SV's class has been significantly updated for 2005 except the Hornet (I don't count the Bandit :wink: ). I suspect that the on-road differences to the Hornet will be marginal at best but the mags will use it as an excuse to test 'em all at least twice each this year. They're all good bikes and the result will be subjective, varying from mag to mag and tester to tester.

And I'll still buy 'em and read 'em ](*,)

[Muttley]

Compare the SV to its peers (as I mentioned above) and see how it does. Thats the test thats of real interest.

And Viney's point was that it's been done to death anyway.

And I'll still buy 'em and read 'em ](*,)

I still buy them and read them too, but then it does fend of boredom at work (a bit like this thread is at the moment).

Its more the SS 600/1000 thats done to death, the more "everyday" bikes tend to be under represented in bike mags, or just given half a page reviews that are next to useless.

[Steve H]

Muttley,
IM missing your point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :? :? :?

[Steve H]

We all know that it has been done to death. There aren't enough bikes out there not to.
However, if that is the case, whats the point of checking into this forum time and time again, if people are that easily bored with the subject of bikes? :wink:

[Muttley]

Would you compare an Ferrari Enzo with a Ford Focus?

Its the same thing.

Take them around town and the Focus would make a better car, easier to live with, economical.

Get them out of town and onto open flowing roads and the Enzo would be more fun than the focus.

[Muttley]

However, if that is the case, whats the point of checking into this forum time and time again, if people are that easily bored with the subject of bikes? :wink:

Because we are sad and don't like to actually work at our places of employment. :)

[Jabba]

Because we are sad and don't like to actually work at our places of employment. :)

It's a general malaise.

Why can't I be road-tester? :roll:

[Steve H]

Muttley, Bit of an extreme example there. If you think the R6 is THAT much better than the SV (Enzo vs Focus) even on the track, you are mistaken. imho.

However, you are right about not wanting to work! :wink:

[Muttley]

Okay, it was the first fast car I could think of (I wasn't comparing an R6 to an Enzo :) ).

If you substitute Lotus Elise for Ferrari Enzo its a better example.

Similar engine sizes, not a vast difference in cost, but a huge difference in practicality, handling and performance.

[Ceri JC]

Okay, it was the first fast car I could think of (I wasn't comparing an R6 to an Enzo :) ).

If you substitute Lotus Elise for Ferrari Enzo its a better example.

Similar engine sizes, not a vast difference in cost, but a huge difference in practicality, handling and performance.

Agreed, funnily enough I was talking about that at the weekend with a mate. He refused to believe I would prefer a 1.6 Focus to a 2.2 Saab 93: I really would, having used both the Focus is more fun to drive and more useable for urban driving, better low down acceleration, more feedback, etc. Bit like the SV :lol:

Sorry for "talking cars" :oops: :D

[Steve H]

Muttley, quick question, do you own or have you ridden an R6? Just wondering.

[Muttley]

Nope.

Although I wouldn't mind having a go on one. Along with about 100 other bikes. :)

[Viney]

As with all 'raod tests' Car or bike. It doesnt really matter what some Journo thinks abotu a bike. His/her opinion may be totaly different to everyone elses. They might like the look of a bike, it might suit thier riding style, it may fit them better, thus make them biased. So at the end of the day, you go out and buy what YOU want and not waht some paid pratt in leathers is saying. Most people who live in london will spend most of thier lives weaving in and out of town dodgy all manner of muppets, so how it corners its roll on in top and all that isnt really that important.

Get out there, ride then yourself, then buy the one you like.

[SteveR]

I think you can compare the SV against the R6/GSX/CBR.
Although the R6 etc is more expensive than the SV, it's not a huge difference and some of us could afford either bike.

When I went to the NEC to find a new bike, I went with the intention of buying the new Triumph ST. I didn't like it though and ended up looking at the V-Strom / Varedero etc. The bike that really grabbed my attention was the BMW 1200S - all quite different bikes !
And I still haven't made up my mind - The SV is just so good, but is physically a bit small.

The Enzo can't really be compared to the Focus - they're in completely different price brackets. I might consider an MG TF / MX-5 against a Focus though

[Steve H]

Nope.

Although I wouldn't mind having a go on one. Along with about 100 other bikes. :)

Like Viney and umpteen others have said. You need to 'try and decide'
On the question of the R6, I used to own a ZX6R. I now have the SVs and can honestly say that for what i require, the SV is a better bet. A lot of people that hanker after a supersports bike may be a little disappointed if they think it is going to be much more fun than the SV generally. You should certainly try them all though Muttley. :wink: