View Full Version : Bad Off - you couldnt make this one up either
It seems they cant give me a cbr6 to replace my cbr as far as a temp replacement bike goes.... it seems like I shall be on a hornet on Monday...
looking forward to it... :D
coombest
04-02-05, 04:24 PM
Just to echo other's statements really...
Keep at the cretin and all the best.
I would imagine several of us would be interested to come "see justice being done," as is our right!! :twisted: I can just imagine a court gallery packed with peeps in leathers!! :lol: :lol:
Indeed, if the idiot pleads not guilty at committal proceedings, it will go to Crown Court... If he pleads guilty, I can't remember what the sentences, etc. for each of the offences involved are, but it could well be that it will go to Crown Court any way.
what if he says he was going to move his van out of the way, which you are able to do in an accident, and he says you stole his keys from him? maybe he was mad about that? :D
ArtyLady
04-02-05, 05:24 PM
what if he says he was going to move his van out of the way, which you are able to do in an accident, and he says you stole his keys from him? maybe he was mad about that? :D
I think if that were the case he would then use it as part of his defence.
granted, but given at the time I calmly asked him to get out of the van and leave it where it was because there was petrol all over the road and to move could have been dangerous, I was injured and wanted the police to assess the scene before anything was done and they would only be a few minutes, and the first time he tried I asked him not to because my bike was still under the van.
he got out and dumped the bike on its side to leak more petrol over the road. If hed moved the van that would have spread it further down the road causing a potential fire hazard and slip hazard for any bikes coming down and past - I said I thought it too dangerous and the scene should be left until the police could assess the situation.
I kept saying it would only be minutes. They could assess the situation and control the traffic flow. Would you want to drive over petrol? All it takes is someone unaware of what happened to lob a cigarette out the window.. :shock:
But Id like to see a defence barrister say its ok to assault a pensioner and an injured woman because they took your keys....
WHATEVER we did I believed it to be the right course of action - I believed he wanted to leave the scene and I believed it to be too dangerous with a tank of petrol on the floor, not just for us but for other road users, in particular, bikes coming through.
His reluctance to leave the van aroused suspicion (hey Im a customs officer) and I just asked him to get out the van until they arrived. At that point his behaviour was aggressive enough I started to believe he was going to do a runner... He may have the right to move a vehicle, but I believed he was going to do a runner, I believed it to be too dangerous to move the vehicle and a potential hazard for other road users going through. This situation needed to be dealt with by the police.
At ALL times, I was reiterating that the keys would be handed back to him when the police got there - as he became more aggressive with increasing likelihood of there arrival my assurances were met with verbal and physical aggression.
While the police were with me today, I realised the rip in my jacket isnt from the slide but where he grabbed me - just around the neck as it happens. :shock: :evil:
Whatever he says, there is no excuse for his behaviour post accident.
.... it seems like I shall be on a hornet on Monday...
Even more good news :wink:
looking forward to it... :D
Should be quite comfortable bearing in mind your injuries :thumbsup:
ArtyLady
05-02-05, 03:10 PM
But Id like to see a defence barrister say its ok to assault a pensioner and an injured woman because they took your keys....
WHATEVER we did I believed it to be the right course of action - I believed he wanted to leave the scene and I believed it to be too dangerous with a tank of petrol on the floor, not just for us but for other road users, in particular, bikes coming through.
Whatever he says, there is no excuse for his behaviour post accident.
Absolutely 100% with you on that - I was just commenting on what he would he would do HAD that been the case - although quite obviously it wasnt - throw him to the lions I say :evil: :wink:
Reinhard
07-02-05, 10:09 AM
Hey Lyn
Glad you made it out relatively unscathed. Let's hope the justice system works out correctly, but whatever happens, at least you're in one piece.
http://www.virtualreinhard.com/YouCanDoAnything.jpg
Hey Reinhard, is that a pic of me overcoming my vertigo or you? never could tell with those skyjump pics :lol:
Ok.... solicitor now involved... so we're starting to look at what were going to do... MCN have talked to me.... a pic of me will be published soon... I'll let you know when so you can avoid buying it :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
STILL NO BIKE REPLACEMENT... :evil: but solicitor now chasing this up...
statement being written...
Wot, no hornet? :shock:
MCN have talked to me.... a pic of me will be published soon.....
Don't let 'em say too much for fear of prejudicing a fair trial - flippin' media, I don't trust 'em in situations like this. Anything for a bit of good copy..................
he was aware of that when we spoke - it matters that hes not been charged as yet so it probably wont happen until the 18th...
and as much as the defence could argue, MCN aint the Sun so unless the jury is entirely all MCN readers (nice dream :D ) it would be hard to argue prejudice...
well some good news today.... The guy IS insured. Its his COMPANY insurance. :twisted:
BLD are now arranging for said replacement bike to be delivered tomorrow.... :D - Wont be in as delivery tomorrow afternoon. The fleet consists of bandits, hornets, SVs among others... asked for the hornet if possible... fancy something different for a while :D
And the Goldwing rider may be down Soho on Friday.... :riding:
off now, but catch up with you guys Wednesday
Lyn
Brand spanking new CBF600... 2 miles on the clock... well there were when it was delivered... a few more on there today :lol:
Its nice.... given my injuries theres little pressure on my wrists and right arm.... and its as smooth as anything....
Hurt like hell though... muscles which Im not using much until I get on the bike are telling me theyre objecting to being used again :evil:
but given its only both my ankles, knees, lower back, shoulder blades, both wrists and the tendons on both hands clearly I need the physio that using the bike is giving me... :wink: :lol:
ok... I probably should be resting and not on the bike but the guys disrupted my life so much Im not giving in... I'll give it a few easy days on the bike and if the injuries dont ease up with use then I'll stop.
Getting counselling through victim support as the whole things shaken me up more than I was admitting to myself originally.. :shock: and the doctors diagnosed me with post traumatic stress syndrome... no surprise there I think...
but words cant describe how good it is to be back on a bike - even if it hurts... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Amanda M
09-02-05, 01:41 PM
:notworthy: Good on ya Lyn for getting back to it so soon :D
Yes well done Lyn, take it easy and hopefully we'll see you on Friday.
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coombest
09-02-05, 04:01 PM
Well done Lyn!
I am really looking forward to getting back on a bike & will be doing just that tomorrow! I know it'll probably hurt like hell but I think 'll survive!! :wink:
Take it easy & you'll know what you can and can't do!
Have you been recommended Physiotherapy at all!??
Sounds like being back on a bike may well be painful physically, but I'm guessing it'll do you the power of good mentally.
All the best. :)
Cloggsy
09-02-05, 08:50 PM
Well done Lyn... You're an example to all of us :wink:
Well done Lyn,
Best thing to do is get back on as soon as possible :D
handing in witness statement at Bethnal Green on Monday. Im finding it really hard to write... its odd but I could do it on that Friday on here but right now its not easy... but at least Ive got the old NCS template so I can type it rather than hand write it... given how long its going to be thats not a bad thing... :)
Ive felt really weird this week, getting back on a bikes been a big plus. 2 miles on the clock Tuesday afternoon, its around 480 now :shock: so much for an easing back into it... :D
Ive been really ratty/tearful this week too... think the stress of it alls finally coming out... in all this time Ive been on the verge of tears but never cried... I just cant but think I really need to :shock:
wasnt helped by "mate" who on day of accident quoted me as at fault cos Im an angry person :shock: :evil: who now says it was meant to happen because Im due a break :evil: If I ever meet Louise L Hay (which is where he got all this crap from) Im inclined to go white van man on her :wink: :evil:
I would like to apologise to anyone here if my posts this week were out of order or I got too ranting... I didnt mean to be... I just seem to have hit the angry part of the stress....
keep you updated next week as it progresses, Friday is when hes due back at Bethnal Green.
fizzwheel
11-02-05, 04:19 PM
No need to apologise, sounds like you have been recovering from shock as well as stress
As for the rubbish posts, well you obviously havent read many of mine
Glad to hear you are getting over it OK
coombest
11-02-05, 05:50 PM
I hadn't noticed you being offish at all Lyn. If you were at all, I think you have good reason for it!!
Your 'mate' sounds charming!! I hadn't got a clue who Louise L Hay was, so I did a web search and found this! (http://www.hayhouse.com/authorbio.php?id=149)
Perhaps your mate should learn to love others as well as himself!!!??
Keep your chin up and keep us informed! :grouphug:
Professor
11-02-05, 07:24 PM
I noticed this thread only now, 2 weeks after the event (was on
holiday when all this happened).
Glad that you, Lyn, are in one piece and that you have witnesses.
Hope British justice does its job.
I noticed this thread only now, 2 weeks after the event (was on
holiday when all this happened)
flippin' academics - always on holiday :roll:
:D
Professor
11-02-05, 07:52 PM
I noticed this thread only now, 2 weeks after the event (was on
holiday when all this happened)
flippin' academics - always on holiday :roll:
:D
Yes, we, academics, live the life of Raleigh.
wyrdness
11-02-05, 08:49 PM
wasnt helped by "mate" who on day of accident quoted me as at fault cos Im an angry person :shock: :evil: who now says it was meant to happen because Im due a break :evil: If I ever meet Louise L Hay (which is where he got all this crap from) Im inclined to go white van man on her :wink: :evil:
I call people like that 'new age nazis'. Some of them say things like disabled kids are just getting what they deserve because of bad karma from a previous life. I've met a few of these morons and the next one that says anything like that to me is getting a punch in the face, with the words "That's your karmic return for being such a prat".
coombest
12-02-05, 10:18 AM
wasnt helped by "mate" who on day of accident quoted me as at fault cos Im an angry person :shock: :evil: who now says it was meant to happen because Im due a break :evil: If I ever meet Louise L Hay (which is where he got all this crap from) Im inclined to go white van man on her :wink: :evil:
I call people like that 'new age nazis'. Some of them say things like disabled kids are just getting what they deserve because of bad karma from a previous life. I've met a few of these morons and the next one that says anything like that to me is getting a punch in the face, with the words "That's your karmic return for being such a prat".
:twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted:
Excellent!! :D :D :D
ok... mate has now apologised for said stupid comments.... admitting they were a "little insensitive" :roll:
current update on the situation is.... police officer dealing with my case and statement has just left the case progression unit but didnt feel the need to tell me.....
I phoned them yesterday re my statement only to be told NO-ONE was now dealing with it. The guy has moved to a different unit but starts in a weeks time so they couldnt contact him and the people there weren't particularly helpful - not my case, dont know whos, cant help... sort of a go away attitude. So yesterday, it was looking much like the police were basically faffing about and not wanting my statement... and given the state I was in by the time Id finished it I went a lot off the rails yesterday evening....
So, today phoned up and asked for their boss. Got through and witness statement now in and I now have a new case worker to contact.
However they still havent got the statements from the additional witnesses in Essex. In order to give the CPS the strongest possible case they wont do anything until then. So basically on Friday white van man will be rebailed at Bethnal Green to return later.
Once all the statements are in, the whole lot goes to CPS who decide which charges to press and then the ball will start rolling....
Keep up the pressure Lyn, don't let the b*stards grind you down.
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RenamedMonkey
15-02-05, 04:39 PM
Sounds like a nighmare, but keep at it, you'll get there in the end.
Take care and don't get to worked up! :)
Just be comforted by the thought that if you get caught at 36mph in a 30 limit they'll make damn sure there's a case officer available! :rant:
(yes, I know it's not the same, just using it as an excuse to rant :roll: )
RenamedMonkey
15-02-05, 06:15 PM
Just be comforted by the thought that if you get caught at 36mph in a 30 limit they'll make damn sure there's a case officer available! :rant:
(yes, I know it's not the same, just using it as an excuse to rant :roll: )
But you are right. grrr :x
tis true... mate sold his car to someone who didnt bother telling dvla....
racked up huge fines and of course still in his name... funnily enough he was in court yesterday... they dont hang about when theres money to be made eh? :evil:
Yep i got some parking tickets for a car that i sold pver 2 years ago and i had to pay them, they wouldnt belive that i had scraped the car 80 bloody quid and it was over 200miles away from were i live.
Tw*ts :twisted:
Moved to Biking Issues.
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RenamedMonkey
17-02-05, 09:34 PM
Yep i got some parking tickets for a car that i sold pver 2 years ago and i had to pay them, they wouldnt belive that i had scraped the car 80 bloody quid and it was over 200miles away from were i live.
Tw*ts :twisted:
I'd refuse point blank. Tell them to send me to jail if they wanted. Then I'd get the media involved.
tis true... mate sold his car to someone who didnt bother telling dvla....
racked up huge fines and of course still in his name... funnily enough he was in court yesterday... they dont hang about when theres money to be made eh? :evil:
I agree with Lyn on them not hanging about when there's money to be made but people can also use this as an excuse to get out of insurance claims as is happening to me, and this is why the registered owner of a vehicle that is sold is supposed to fill in the forms and send them to the DVLA.
In my case the guy involved says he knows nothing about an accident as he had sold the car in question 18 days before the accident, but the police just can't be bothered to sort the mess out as I'm still waiting to hear from them 17 days after I handed in the necessary forms together with all the evidence my solicitor had collected, this took me 3 visits and 6 hours in the police station to do, and this could have been prevented had the 2 officers at the scene of the accident done their jobs properly. I even called up over a week ago to see what was going on, I was told my file was sent off, as soon as it was handed in, to head office and they should have got back to me, then I was given the wrong number twice and when I finally got through to the right place I was told it had only turned up so they would contact me when they look at it.
No offence intended to the officers that work hard on our streets but I think the Met Police has some serious issues they need to start looking at.
Fizzy Fish
18-02-05, 11:11 AM
just seen this as I haven't been around much recently - sorry to hear what happened and I can't believe he was such an a**hole to attack an injured woman! :evil: how big of him...
hope you are fully recovered soon, and good luck with getting it sorted via the police/courts. I for one will feel safer when he is off the roads...
ok.... driver was due back at Bethnal Green today. Been rebailed to 1st April so the police can build their case and put ALL evidence to CPS.
My witness statement will go in on monday after further visit to doctors - more for the additional impact statement part since Ive completely gone to pieces this week and the stress has really done me in. The rip in my jacket means their may be additional charges they can lay too.. :D
All tapes of 999 calls to the cad have been requested. I am going to have to have a further medical arranged by police.
Been told in his interview he said he did nothing wrong along with the allegation I did this for the insurance fraud. He also apparently had a massive row with girlfriend after leaving the station :twisted:
And hes STILL not learnt anything - was having a go at my new case worker today when he turned up at police station to be rebailed. She said he was extremely unpleasant. Apparently theyre wasting his time and hes done nothing wrong :shock: :roll:
The police have assured me they arent letting this one go and will progress it to the CPS :D
RenamedMonkey
18-02-05, 05:02 PM
It annoys me just to think about it, I really hope things are sorted soon for you. What a complete....grrr.
The only reason some people are still alive is because it's illegal to kill them :wink:
Steve W
19-02-05, 08:15 PM
Just read all the posts on this thread and wanted to say how impressed I am by your control in all this, Lyn. I think what would really get me down after the initial trauma is all the bureaucracy that needs to be done to get evrything sorted and justice done and having the patience to let everything take its slow course...
Anyway, hope you're beginning to feel a bit better and being gentle on yourself as given all you've been through and are going through it's not surprsing it's been catching up with you a bit.
stevelondon1979
20-02-05, 12:54 AM
Hi Lyn,
Have been off the site for a bit, so apologies for the lateness of my post, but wanted to say good luck dealing with all the paper shuffling that is going to need to happen now and sympathise at an awful run of events for you. That which does not kill you makes you stronger and all that...
S
I think Im about ready to start looking for jobs elsewhere and move...
the soho guys know what happened on Friday, but on my way to soho from work I was filtering down past Euston. I pulled into the 2nd lane, and in no way cut up the car behind as he was some way behind but clearly he thought I had no right to pull back into the lane.
He started gesticulating and swearing and finally got out the car and started shouting at me. At this point I was just thinking oh no, not again.
I got a chance to go and went and didnt hang about but was shaking by the time I got to Frith St.
Im starting to wonder if I have an invisible sign that only aggressive car drivers can see which says have a go at me... :shock: :cry: that or London traffics getting to much for me... :shock:
Get a Skull and Crossbones print on your jacket Lynn....
or don't work in london
Professor
20-02-05, 05:30 PM
You could always move to Wiltshire, Lynn. It is so peaceful here
that the only danger is falling asleep on your bike.
I am looking for definite now....
kid kicked a football across the road at me this morning.... :roll: :evil:
Ive just about had enough... job page on other screen now....
fizzwheel
21-02-05, 11:14 AM
I think Im about ready to start looking for jobs elsewhere and move...
the soho guys know what happened on Friday, but on my way to soho from work I was filtering down past Euston. I pulled into the 2nd lane, and in no way cut up the car behind as he was some way behind but clearly he thought I had no right to pull back into the lane.
He started gesticulating and swearing and finally got out the car and started shouting at me. At this point I was just thinking oh no, not again.
I got a chance to go and went and didnt hang about but was shaking by the time I got to Frith St.
Im starting to wonder if I have an invisible sign that only aggressive car drivers can see which says have a go at me... :shock: :cry: that or London traffics getting to much for me... :shock:
He was obviously a brain dead tw*t, dont let these morons put you off lynn
Just thought Id drop this weeks update in the mix....
spoke to the case officer and its going to clearly take time for them to sort this out. No surprise there.
They have confirmed the van driver has alleged assault against Peter and they are having to investigate that incident as well as his assault against us.
One thing is the police have effectively stated as far as theyre concerned all my injuries are from the accident, so his insurance co should cover it. I can sue him under criminal injuries compensation board for the psychological damage he did me in the past few weeks as that stemmed from the assault.
keep you updated when I know anymore.
lyn
Have Pete and the other Wingers showed up in Soho yet?
No they cancelled and will hopefully reschedule for another time.
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Hang in there Lyn. That guy deserves to be nailed good'n'proper.
Just remember, when you're feeling really stressed and down, we're all here behind you (not in front tho... too dangerous there! ;) ).
Keep at it! :)
p.s. if u ever want to meet up for lunch and rant about it, just lemme know!
:twisted: the same thing happened to me (minus actually crashing slightly different situation) this guy in a black van nearly killed me so i stopped and he stopped and got out of his van and hit me. well i was wearing kevlar knuckled gloves, those things really are the nuts for protection! bye bye wings mirrors on the way off too! van drivers are largely like that
Just been updated by the wpc who was investigating the case. Shes completed the investigation and put to the cps the evidence and they will be charging him with the following of Friday when hes due back at Bethnal Green.
2 counts of common assault (1 on me, 1 on Peter) and driving without due care and attention. They will be charging him with driving without insurance but as he has company insurance if thats proven on Friday they wont be taking that charge further.
Apparently there is sufficient evidence from the CSOs, the tapes of the 999 calls where he can be clearly heard shouting at me and attacking me and me screaming to procede with the charges.
Be interesting when he turns up on Friday for her to tell him as he still insists hes done nothing wrong. Shes making sure shes accompanied as she thinks hes going to kick off when she tells him...
He will be given a court date shortly after that in order to plead guilty/not guilty and dependant on what he does he will either get a sentencing hearing or we go to trial.
Lyn
I hope he pleads not guilty as this will the mean a trial and his sentence will be that much harsher :evil: .
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thats a bit of dilemma for me. Want him to plead guilty so I dont have all the hassle of a trial and giving evidence.... but equally want him to get a harsher sentence which is what he will get if we go to trial. :?
Hopefully with the sick leave Ill feel better by the time this all comes around and would be up to giving evidence as I suspect he will go not guilty given his attitude...
WPc expects 3-6 months time for this given previous convictions for violence will be taken into account in the sentencing hearing... but we will see..
Only just seen this, sorry to hear about that Lyn, its one of the things that scares me about riding, luckily I live and work in the middle of nowhere!
Hope it all goes well for you....
diamond
29-03-05, 11:19 AM
The middle of nowhere isn't all it's cracked up to be, as i found out last week it costs a fortune to have your bike recovered from the middle of nowhere when you crash it.
Good luck with every thing lynw it sounds like the guy deserves everything he gets and more.
454697819
29-03-05, 12:01 PM
The middle of nowhere isn't all it's cracked up to be, as i found out last week it costs a fortune to have your bike recovered from the middle of nowhere when you crash it.
Good luck with every thing lynw it sounds like the guy deserves everything he gets and more.
Sory for the mini hi jack. but e.d, what happened, i havnt heard anything!
Alex
diamond
29-03-05, 12:04 PM
Not 100% sure probably just me being accident prone as usual cos no one else was involved. Still i hope to get the bike back on the road asap.
like the new avatar lyn...
glad its all looking up :D
Great to hear that they're proceeding against this thug, but I fear he'll not get a sentence that reflects the gravity of what he's done and the effect it's had on your. :x Unprovoked attacks like this are very distressing, but not something the courts take a sufficiently hard line against IMHO. :(
At the very least, you should receive sufficient compensation to keep you in chocolate for life! :wink:
Spiderman
29-03-05, 12:45 PM
i'd love for this to go to trial.
the we could have an SV.org day at court, now that would be fun. Tons of bikers show up on the first day of this tw@s hearing.
Can you imagine how restless a night he'd have after that :evil:
Every rustling from the bushes would be one of thos nutty bikers out to get revenge from him. In his mind. Cos we'd all be at home having a good larf at the tw@
Hope the throw the book...and a couple of large, heavy spanners at him :)
RenamedMonkey
29-03-05, 02:13 PM
Lyn, good to hear things are progressing - a difficult one like you say, pro's and con's for both outcomes.
It would be his fate and doing if he was to plead guilty, and be sentanced harsher.
All the best, and keep that chin up :)
just rereading last weeks mcn... theyve started a campaign for harsher sentences after the biker who lost his foot in the bumper of the volvo...
need to email them but certainly something I will be supporting in light of these events....
just rereading last weeks mcn... theyve started a campaign for harsher sentences after the biker who lost his foot in the bumper of the volvo...
need to email them but certainly something I will be supporting in light of these events....
Oi dont start picking on volvo drivers! Bloody Bikers ;)
Flamin_Squirrel
29-03-05, 03:28 PM
A friend and I were discussing the case of the biker who lost his foot yesterday and he made a good point... what did the driver actualy get convicted of?
Labour are busy dismantling the justice system at the moment. They are trying to making is easier to convict people on poor evidence to compensate for the fact they won't pay for any decent prosicution lawyers. Perhaps the CPS made a balls up of the prosicution in this case so he only got done for the lesser charges; no insurance, tax, licence etc and not dangerous driving/attempted murder. If that's what happened, then his sentance might well be just for the crimes he was actualy convicted of.
the guy was charged and convicted of what the van mans going to be charged with - driving without due care and attention. The appeal was based on his punishment being excessive for that charge which was upheld. If hed been charged and convicted of dangerous driving the sentence wouldve been more severe, the appeal would not have been allowed.
Their point being that in this guys case, Im sure dangerous driving wouldve been a more appropriate charge... whereas in mine I think thats a fair charge on the driving side of things...
Van man is more likely to get the custodial time for the assaults in all honesty because of his previous convictions rather than the driving offence.
The MCN campaign is to effectively allow judges to take into account the injuries sustained by a victim when caused by careless driving which at the moment they cant do... :?
Flamin_Squirrel
29-03-05, 06:27 PM
Yes, so basicaly the CPS screwed up? I'm all for stiffer sentances for terrible crimes like this, but harsh sentances can only be administered if the conviction for the crime that carries that sentance is actualy secured.
There is a big problem here, but I don't think this can be solved by giving judges the power to hand out harsher penalties for lesser crimes simply because the prosecution is too inept to get a conviction for something more serious.
Woah, sorry Lyn, sounds like I'm actualy sticking up for the ******** :shock: I'm not of course, I'm sure you know what I mean :o
no youre not... youre pointing out a problem with the system... dont know why the cps didnt go for more serious charges in that case...
but this is one of the reasons behind the mcn campaign/home office review that Ive posted under another thread in biking issues.
Realistically, van man is not going to get what he deserves because the charges that can be laid under law given the evidence indicate his driving is below standard rather than significantly below.. no idea how the cps distinguish... but the charge is driving without due care and attention rather than dangerous driving...
but there is still a gap in sentencing the serverest forms of driving without due care and the lesser forms... you get pulled for driving without due care for something inoccuous and you get the same sentence as the guy who injured Richard Sholl. If the law only provides for one charge, then there must be some sentencing provisions to take into account the seriousness of the accident/incident...
any custodial sentence for van man will be due to the assaults and his previous convictions for violence rather than his driving. Thats a reality I accept, not happily but have to.
Flamin_Squirrel
29-03-05, 07:12 PM
Realistically, van man is not going to get what he deserves because the charges that can be laid under law given the evidence indicate his driving is below standard rather than significantly below.. no idea how the cps distinguish... but the charge is driving without due care and attention rather than dangerous driving...
but there is still a gap in sentencing the serverest forms of driving without due care and the lesser forms... you get pulled for driving without due care for something inoccuous and you get the same sentence as the guy who injured Richard Sholl. If the law only provides for one charge, then there must be some sentencing provisions to take into account the seriousness of the accident/incident...
any custodial sentence for van man will be due to the assaults and his previous convictions for violence rather than his driving. Thats a reality I accept, not happily but have to.
As someone on this forum (think it was rictus) said, If you want to hurt/maim someone with minimal consiquences, drive into them. This has to change.
Lets hope this scumbag gets locked up all the same.
so go to the Careless driving MCN petition/home office review thread, click on the link and read the document about the proposals - quite an interesting read actually - and tell them what you think... or buy an mcn and send the form in next week...
it will only change if we change and do something however small it is.... if we do nothing, nothing changes.....
Of course at some unspecified point in the future he could "accidentally" get run over by a posse of SVs who after a "whoops we didn't see him" get nothing more than a fifty quid fine and a few points each :twisted: .
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I have finally got through to the police.
Van man has had his plea hearing and gone Not Guilty to all charges.
Trial date has been set for September 30th with a plea and directions hearing to be heard 1-2 months before that.
Im stunned that with the overwhelming evidence against him he still cant admit what he did was wrong. :? Still, I should be well enough by then to face a trial.
Halonic
11-05-05, 12:39 PM
Im stunned that with the overwhelming evidence against him he still cant admit what he did was wrong. :? Still, I should be well enough by then to face a trial.
If he had pleaded guilty, he would have gotten a lighter sentence (admission of guilt leads to lenient punishment generally).
A not-guilty plea will be worse for him in the long run, and I think I'm not alone in wanting this particular mortal to suffer as much as is physically possible :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Flamin_Squirrel
11-05-05, 12:40 PM
I have finally got through to the police.
Van man has had his plea hearing and gone Not Guilty to all charges.
Trial date has been set for September 30th with a plea and directions hearing to be heard 1-2 months before that.
Im stunned that with the overwhelming evidence against him he still cant admit what he did was wrong. :? Still, I should be well enough by then to face a trial.
Wow, what an idiot. Still, hopefully for his shocking display of arrogance and lack of remorse for his crimes, they'll throw he book at him, along with all remaining books and the bookshelf too :!:
Couerdelion
11-05-05, 12:57 PM
With all the eveidence against him the man is just proving what every one suspected all along - he's a sandwich short of a picnic.
On the plus side he should get a harsher sentence and he will be made to live through every humiliating detail in front of a large crowd.
c'est la vie.
Quiff Wichard
11-05-05, 01:56 PM
ditto to all of the above ... with kisses x x x
norvidick
11-05-05, 07:38 PM
Glad you are ok, but what concerns me is why was he in such a hurry to try and escape and that brings my mind to thinking was he insured, let hope so.
Regards ****.
Glad you are ok, but what concerns me is why was he in such a hurry to try and escape and that brings my mind to thinking was he insured, let hope so.
Regards d*ck.
er this is a bit complicated. He is insured by the company he was driving for but because he failed to provide proof on his producer hes been charged with driving without insurance on top of everything else... :?
Im getting better and glad that Ive got some news at last after 4 weeks. I knew he would have a court appearance to plead in that time but didnt know what was happening until today.
TrojanHorse11
11-05-05, 10:55 PM
Just read this thread. What an absolute total **** this van-man was!
Lyn,
I know you've heard of the "had an accident. Not your fault" lawyers etc (as we all have) to claim for injuries/stress/trauma/costs etc from an accident, but did you know there are a growing number of lawyers who also specialise in assault claims? Yes, that's right, you can teach this ****hole a lesson by hitting him 3 TIMES.
1) The Courts do him for the criminal charges
2) You claim from him for the injuries/stress/trauma/costs of the accident
3) You claim from him (personally) for his assault on you.
That'll teach him. :twisted:
(PS: I'm a mature law student so I'm "into" law)
The worrying thing is, that there seems to be more and more "nutters" and aggressive maniacs on the roads who lose their tempers at nothing and try to get away with heanus crimes like this.
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