New speed cameras in aciton yet?

[Ceri JC]

I've read about new (digital) speed cameras being in the works, but I'm not sure if they're "live" yet. Basically, they can catch you coming towards them, as well as going away from, so they only need one camera to cover both lanes.

A couple of questions:

If they come in, do you reckon they'll try to make bikes carry plates on the front (otherwise they'd not be able to ID you).

Do the existing ones flash to scare/warn you when you're going towards them? Do they actually already work in both directions? Am I imagining it and they're actually flashing someone going the "normal" way, just happens to be at the same time? (I doubt the latter as one time there was definately no one there, the second time the other car was going pretty slow)

Twice now, on the same stretch of road, I've been flashed going towards cameras (only time I've been flashed). The first time I got no letter, the second time was only 2/3 days ago, so I'm waiting on that one. I was in my Pug 106 both times :oops:

[Mogs]

I asked a similar qustion about a week ago.

http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=17683

If they make us put a plate on the front, where the heck can it go on a naked bike. Surely not to that blade they used to have back in the 60's

[Ceri JC]

If they make us put a plate on the front, where the heck can it go on a naked bike. Surely not to that blade they used to have back in the 60's

I thought they got rid of them because they were dangerous to pedestrians?

I've often wondered if they're still legal and if so, why don't more of the "small number plate" brigade put them on instead of a rear one?

[Mogs]

You maybe correct they must be illegal, except for veteran bikes.

We won't let being downright stupid stop the British Government, they allow Rhino Bars.

[Sudoxe]

You maybe correct they must be illegal, except for veteran bikes.

We won't let being downright stupid stop the British Government, they allow Rhino Bars.

Yes, theres a lot of Rhino hurds in Chelsea

[Nick762]

Extracts from EU directive for powered two wheeled transport safety regulations...

From 1st January 2008, the rider of any powered two wheeled vehicle used on any public road within the European Community will be required to display a Unique Rider Identification Number (or URIN) in characters of a specifed typeface and size on both the front AND rear of the rider's safety helmet.....

... All motorcycle safety helmets intended for use on any public road within the European Community from 1st January 2007 will be of one solid approved colour (white, black, yellow or purple) with URIN of the specified contrasting colour for the helmet (see appendix 8 s.5(j) p 9.) It is anticipated that motorcycle equipment suppliers will absorb the additional cost of marking helmets at the point of sale. Buyers must provide documentary proof of their URIN to the supplier...

A motorcycle safety helmet intended for use on any public road within the European Community purchased prior to 1st January 2007 that is of an approved colour may have the URIN applied retrospectively at the expense of the owner.

A motorcycle safety helmet of more than one colour OR of a single colour that is not approved but that was purchased prior to 1st January 2007 may be used on a public road within the European Community after this date provided that a helmet cover of approved single colour with the URIN correctly displayed is worn over the top.

... Where a pillion passenger is carried and their position obstructs the view of the rider's URIN from the rear, then the pillion passenger must also display the rider's URIN on the rear of their safety helmet. They are not however permitted to display the rider's URIN on the front of their safety helmet as well. This is to aid the correct identification of the rider by law enforcement personnel in cases where there is a dispute as to who the rider is.

.....Helmet marking colour reference table:

Base colour /URIN colour
White/Black
Black/White
Yellow/Purple
Purple/Yellow




I'm glad to see that there is already growing resistance to this idea from motercycling pressure groups across Europe. An un-named spokesman from a well known biking internet community was recently quoted as saying:

So if my helmet is purple, my URIN must be yellow, these tw@s in Brussels are taking the ****..

[Flamin_Squirrel]

:shock:

[Mogs]

:) :D

[Anonymous]

I've read about new (digital) speed cameras being in the works, but I'm not sure if they're "live" yet. Basically, they can catch you coming towards them, as well as going away from, so they only need one camera to cover both lanes.

A couple of questions:

If they come in, do you reckon they'll try to make bikes carry plates on the front (otherwise they'd not be able to ID you).

Do the existing ones flash to scare/warn you when you're going towards them? Do they actually already work in both directions? Am I imagining it and they're actually flashing someone going the "normal" way, just happens to be at the same time? (I doubt the latter as one time there was definately no one there, the second time the other car was going pretty slow)

Twice now, on the same stretch of road, I've been flashed going towards cameras (only time I've been flashed). The first time I got no letter, the second time was only 2/3 days ago, so I'm waiting on that one. I was in my Pug 106 both times :oops:

2 points, remember all cameras have to be clearly marked and painted yellow. Some of the new ones are a bit small and high but are still yellow. So anything else you see isnt an enforcement camera (remember the worries about those signs on the M4?).

But anyway, I can confirm it is possible to make an old style GATSO flash when you are headed towards it. I used to get one to do this regulrly a good few years ago. On one occassion there was a hat wearing pensioner driving away from the camera at very low speed. He probably handed in his licence

:lol:

And on the helmets issue :shock:

[Anonymous]

Lovely use of the word URIN in that ****-take :) You had me going for a second.

[Anonymous]

Cameras do NOT have to be painted yellow. They only have to conform to high-vis rules if the operating partnership wants to keep the revenue from fines.

There's a digital GATSO near me, that covers both traffic lights and a single lane of a dual-carriageway. I've seen that flash many times as people have sped up through the lights to jump them on amber (it's set just before traffic lights - presumably they've had a problem with people jumping them). That is a £120 fine and 6 points - £60/3 each for a TS10 offence (traffic light) and also the SP30. :|

Insurance goes up about 1/3 with those two on your record.

In this morning's Manchester Metro - the front cover goes on about 1.8m speed camera fined in the last year. The article is written completely against motoring and from the normal biased "speed is the cause of every single motoring accident" stance. It then goes on to talk about banning people for 12 months for any speeding offence and installing digital surveillance in vehicles so your speed could be monitored.

Why don't we just send all our money to the government now? I for one will be at the forefront of any revolution that comes about as there is an ever growing force to try to control us all like robots. Blair is signing away all our rights to the EU as we speak.

VOTE MICHAEL HOWARD :oops:

[Anonymous]

Cameras do NOT have to be painted yellow.

I was talking about speed camers, which I thought were.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_024064.hcsp

Traffic light ones arnt. No idea why.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, if you look further down it says:

The rules will be binding for every police force in and applying to join the netting-off scheme, where money from fines is re-invested in more cameras at dangerous places. National guidelines for other police force areas will be published in the new year by the DTLR and the Home Office.

Hmm, this probably means that ones that aren't in this scheme can place cameras anywhere they like??

I don't have a problem with traffic light cameras being yellow or not as going through traffic lights on red is genuinely dangerous!!!

[Sudoxe]

There's a digital GATSO near me, that covers both traffic lights and a single lane of a dual-carriageway

where?

[Anonymous]

Its confusing on the yellow issue. I was reading the thing somewhere else on the revenue recovery.
Yeah, on the lights cameras I tend to assume there may be a camera there these days!

[Anonymous]

Just outside Manchester, I'll take a picture of it next time I go past the area and post it up on this site for you.

It's one of these (but yellow):

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/gatso12.htm

[Sudoxe]

Just outside Manchester, I'll take a picture of it next time I go past the area and post it up on this site for you.

It's one of these (but yellow):

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/gatso12.htm

Sorry Martin, i must be smoking crack*, i thought it was viney who posted!

Ill go back to sleep now.


*No, i dont really smoke crack. Officer.