Power Commander Needed?

[ahlb0018]

Guys -

I just bought a Wolf slip-on exhaust for my 2003 SV650N, and I was told that I may need to get a power commander unit. If I do end up buying one, will I notice a significant increase in power, and do I need to get one? I was told that adding a Wolf slip-on shouldn't require any re-tuning. Also, for all Wolf owners... Does anyone know if I have to cut to install a wolf can? Is it a Y-pipe slip-on?

Lastly, even if I don;t need a power commander, would you guys recommend it? What kind of a difference does it make?

Thanks!

[Carsick]

You don't need a PC, they're very cool, but just not necessary for an SV. If you've done all the engine type mods (air filters, exhaust, etc) then you might consider getting a remap done.
A remap does the same thing as a Power Commander, but is cruder and can't be readjusted without going back to the garage.

You won't notice an enormous power difference, what you'd probably find is taht things are smoother and the torque is delivered in a slightly different rev range.

On an SV, all slip ons need the pipe to be cut.

[Carsick]

Add onto that, a Power Commander costs £300 a remap costs about £40. It's a bit of a no brainer for an SV but a GSXR of some sort might well be a completely different matter.

[ahlb0018]

Are you absolutely certain about the cutting? I spoke with the shop that I purchased it from, and he said that it was a Y-pipe slip on, and therefore required no cutting. And, the local dealership said that it shouldn't require any cutting if it was a Y-pipe fit.

[Carsick]

If it's a slip on it definitely needs cutting.
I don't quite know what a Y fitting is, but it sounds like it could be a 3/4 system, in which case no cutting would be required.

[ahlb0018]

I guess it must be a 3/4 system then. The guy said that it was a "y-pipe" (your guess is as good as mine), and that no cuts needed to be made. So, if it is a 3/4 system, should I rethink your initial response about getting that power commander or a remap? Will it be essential then? Sorry to be such a pest, but I'm a worrier by nature. This coupled with my perfectionist attitude, makes for a deadly combo.

Cheers!

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[Carsick]

No need to apologise.
No changes on the remap/PC front.

Have you got a link to the pipe you've bought?

[ahlb0018]

http://www.wolfracing.co.uk/suzuki_app.html

This explains what I was talking about, I think. It sounds to me like they include all of the hardware necessary to put it all together without cutting. I think it'll work like a charm! 8)

[Carsick]

It says they include all the fittings, yes, but it doesn't say whether the SV650 can is a slip or a 3/4 system.
For another of them it does say half system, so I think the SV one is a slip on, in which case it would need cutting. Btw, the pic of an old shape SV has a slip on on.

[ahlb0018]

Well, I suppose we'll see. So, you don't think that the "fittings" mean that it bolts where the stock one unbolts? I thought that it read that cutting would not be required due to these extra parts added in. What was it talking about when it mentioned "Every silencers comes with all the parts needed to fit it to your bike - for slip on cans that includes the linking pipe in polished stainless or where your original silencer bolts on"? Is this the "y-pipe" that everyone was talking about?

Yeah, I know that it's an older SV on the site. I ordered elsewhere for an 03'

[ahlb0018]

Sorry, I read that wrong. So, that is a slip-on huh? How can you tell the difference from in that picture? How does it attach if you end up cutting?

[Carsick]

In that picture if you follow the pipe down from the can there is a clamp where the link pipe connects to the original pipe.

To fit a slip on you just get a hacksaw with a metal type blade and spend some time getting intimate with the bike, then clamp the new kit on and robert is your dad's brother.

Btw, I haven't actually put a new can on, but it doesn't seem complicated.

[ahlb0018]

I think this pic displays what I bought, only on an SV1000 instead (twins). Does that tell a different story?

http://www.wolfracing.co.uk/large_images/sv2.jpg

[Carsick]

The SV1000 has bolt on cans and is twins. The SV650 all have slip on types, so will always need cutting unless you replace alot of the pipework at the same time.

[Carsick]

Nice looking cans, though.

[ahlb0018]

well, ****. I don't want to have to cut anything. That voids my warranty to hell. I was hoping to keep the old parts ready in the case I had to replace them for warranty work/sale if needed. And, to boot, the people that sell Wolf told me obvious fabrications. He said that I wouldn't have to do any cutting, and made sure to ask me what type of bike I had. Blargh!

[Carsick]

It doesn't mess up the warranty over here.
Obviously they're not going to replace the exhaust pipe for you, but I'd say that's the least likely thing to go wrong on an SV.

[ahlb0018]

http://www.wolfracing.co.uk/large_images/sv4.jpg

I still think that this is the exhaust I bought, only in a single unit instead of a twin system. For both the SV1000 as well as the sv650, it only gives one option (silencer only), and the price roughly doubles because of the twin cans. So, shouldn't that mean that the SV650 exhaust bolts on just like the SV1000's? I know headers aren't involved, but it sounds like some pipe is involved...

[ahlb0018]

Does anyone out there have a 03' SV650 that they bought a Wolf for? Was it an application where you have to cut?

[Carsick]

I can tell you for an absolute fact that the SV650 (in any guise that I have looked at) does not have bolt on silencers.

If you look at the back of those cans, they are bolt on. If you've bought one of those then I don't know for sure how it would fit, but I suspect you'll have a link pipe that bolts onto that can then goes onto the end of the cut off pipe.

[ahlb0018]

:( Ah, well... I appreciate all of your information, and hope for the best, and even more important, easiest installation possible.

Thanks again!

[Carsick]

No problem on the answers. I hope for the sake of your sanity that it's a 3/4 system, but I just don't see it as being very likely.
Doing the cutting really isn't something to be scared of and you get a clamp to put the old can back on come resale.

[ahlb0018]

I'm just salty that the guy told me that it wouldn't require cutting. I'm gonna try him back, and ask him again. I'll be very concise.

Cheers!

[Carsick]

Good plan.

[ahlb0018]

Again, he said, "no cutting required". Although, he said that he was going to have the technicians give me a call once they have fully investigated the issue at hand. He said that each system is different, and that he wasn't absolutely certain, which begs the question, why then did you say, "Nno cutting required"? I'll hear more from this crack team of geniuses tomorrow, where I'll again get off answers.

Again, if anyone out there knows more about Wolf and SVs, please let me know.

[Junior]

Nice looking cans, though.

I said that to a woman once, and got a smack for it!! :lol:

[Cloggsy]

You don't need a Power Commander... You can just get the bike remapped :!: You need to find someone (dealer/tuner) with a Yoshi re-map box - Because the Suzuki V twin engine is the way it is, a re-map is more than good enough to iron out any fueling glitches :wink:

I need mine sorting soon - I've just fitted K&N Air & oil filters & de-snorkled my air box (to make it breath more easily :twisted:)

From what I understand it is going to cost me less than £100 for the re-map & dyno runs :thumbsup: