650s v golf gti

[kwak zzr]

just got cut up coming off a motorway island by a golf gti,so i knocked the sv down to 2nd and give it 9k and then in 3rd 9k again ! BUT i still couldnt catch the bleeder.
before the sv ive owned cbr's and zzr600's and cars dont stand a chance,but this is the first time ive not been able to catch one.
my sv650s is a k3 with 850miles on the clock would it be ok to give it the full 11,000rpm? or is my sv not up to the job of eating GTI's or was it a very quick GTI.
thanks
daz

[mattSV]

An sv should p*ss all over ANY car in a straight line until about 100mph - I have previously 'tested' my 2000 SV650 against a tuned Skyline GTR and thrashed it.

If you couldn't beat it with 9000 rpm then going to 11000 wouldn't have made much difference :oops:

Maybe the GTI had twin engines and was being driven by the stig?

[Big Bad Al]

not worth the chase - you go past him so what? The idiot will still hassle and you could be hurt. Let it go. Your better than him!

[Gforceuk]

yep.

maybe it was your head telling your right hand that racing on public roads is asking for trouble....

[ophic]

just a very quick GTI then i'd guess. The SV should be faster but from what you described, he had a headstart. Light weight isn't an advantage at higher speeds.

[Barty_b0y]

a golf gti 16v
hmmm these have a 0-60 of about 8 seconds and a consistent top speed of 135 straight out of the crate

they are quick and after a 100 your on borrowed time really if its tuned just say good by and let it go flash your lights and say see you it isnt worth it

after 80 miles an hour reasonably mediocre looking cars can surprise you and stuff like this can look really standard BUT IT ISNT

best story i know of a biker not beating anything was on the german auto bahn about 8 years ago

6 riders were on the way to the track and my mate said he was middle ish doing about 130 and he heard this "SUCKING GAS " droan in his ear so this diablo passed them slowly but nice and consistent .
the front runner on his bike Z1300 though sod that im having you and chased it

At 173 the diablo got bored knocked it down a gear the back end sank into the tarmac and the car flicked into the distance liked he`d turned dual afterburners on

the only consolation my mates had the next gas station the diablo was filling up when they passed

most cars are not driven to there potential and some are i would suggest you got some rich kid having a laugh at your expense dont worry about it move on

[markfc]

oops i thought up to the first 1000 miles you're not supposed to take it above 7500 rpm?

[carlos]

just let him go, he prob thinks he's the king of the McDonalds carpark anyway.
also, watch out for a silver honda s2000 which ****ed all over me on the worcester bypass last summer. seriously quick (or am i getting slower :-k ). perhaps were getting black country air clogging up our air filters!

[fizzwheel]

Depends on sort of Golf, are you sure it was a GTI and not VR6, or a VR6 4 motion or even an R32.. all these are V6 motors and the R32 puts out somewhere near 240 bhp and is 4 wheel drive so is able to put its power down well, all are difficult to spot unless you know what to look for as the badging is very subtle, if it was a MKIV GTI it could have been a 1.8 turbo which puts out 150bhp or 180bhp in standard form. All the motors are tuneable easily and can be modified to make a lot more power.

As a comparison I've got an SV and a Mk III 16v Golf GTI, slightly tuned with performance straight through stainless exhaust and air filter

SV beats the pants of the Golf to I would think about 80mph then the Golf is catching up again, the SV certainly makes the golf feel slow to drive, but the Golf really starts to shift when you get it up past the 100mph mark where the SV feels like the performance is begining to drop away at that point, on a private race track honestly officer :oops:

To be honest like others have said, why bother, just let it go. Its not worth your license or the risk of getting knocked off or even a road rage attack

Also there isnt much point in revving the SV much past 9500 rpm anyway, you dont get much more power and if your motor is new you'll risk damaging it. Much better to short shift and then use the V-Twins torque to pull you along

[Kate]

just let him go, he prob thinks he's the king of the McDonalds carpark anyway.
also, watch out for a silver honda s2000 which p*ssed all over me on the worcester bypass last summer. seriously quick (or am i getting slower :-k ). perhaps were getting black country air clogging up our air filters!
I think I can say the S2000's are pretty quick. :)

[Dan_SV]

There are some proper quick cars coming to light now.

I wouldnt have expected a Golf GTI to have been much hassle however.

Depends how much ya going for it lol.

Most things are easily beatable lower down the speed range but once above 110 it gets a bit tricky on an SV.

I had a proper go with a tuned Sierra Cosworth the other day, that was good fun... He had blue tinted headlamps so I wasnt sure if it was a cop car, until it whooshed past on the dual carriageway.... I wasn't having that, so knocked it down to fourth and gave chase. He pulled in at about 125, and I crawled past at about 130 on the clock lol. It was all good fun.

As for Skylines e.t.c. I doubt you would stand a chance against one being driven properly. Off the line possibly, but once your going no way lol. My Old man imports amusing cars from Japan, and some of the kit is immense. My Mum is running about in a 300bhp Skyline at the moment, and driven properly (i.e by my dad) would **** on an SV. Fear not however, as it does struggle with litre class bikes..... But then there are allways the tuned Skylines aswell....Eeek :oops:

Just slightly off topic, does anyone know how accurate the speedo is on an SV?

Dan

[OF.uk]

Always be careful when racing. I have a m8 who had a Scooby and was chasing a BMW along the M65 at 140. They were nose to tail when the Asian guy in the BM deliberately, and for no reason, hit the brakes hard and my m8 totalled his Scooby trying avoid running into the back of him and spinning off the motorway. The BM pi$$ed off without stopping to see if he was alright :twisted:

[ophic]

Always be careful when racing. I have a m8 who had a Scooby and was chasing a BMW along the M65 at 140. They were nose to tail when the Asian guy in the BM deliberately, and for no reason, hit the brakes hard and my m8 totalled his Scooby trying avoid running into the back of him and spinning off the motorway. The BM pi$$ed off without stopping to see if he was alright :twisted:
sorry... find it hard to find any sympathy

[OF.uk]

Wasn't looking for sympathy, just pointing out that there are some people out there who don't like to be beaten and will do whatever it takes to win. Can you imagine the consequences if the sv had been close to the back of the Golf and he'd hit the brakes :shock: I doubt the rider would have walked away.

[ophic]

indeed fair point.

but beamer drivers and scooby drivers scare me anyways... the idea of two racing each other is one that is bound to end in disaster.

[kwak zzr]

thanks for all of your input! i guess you are all right and the 60 seconds of action with the golf prob was'nt worth it!
as for 9,000rpm on a motor thats done only 850miles(well) i did 10,500rpm to day in 3rd! that v twin motor really does go well,im still at the stage where i dont yet know what it really capeable of cuz of being used to inline fours(a compleatly diff ball game).
i think i'll just stick to my 0-60s from now on it should toast just about anything.
my sv is a little under powered compared to what im used to but you have to keep reminding yourself (160 miles to a tank of fuel ) and my insurance came last week 118 quid !!!!! not bad ay.
thanks
daz(midlands)

[northwind]

OF.UK, is that your actual car?

[Grifter]

That Golf must have been modded, or your bike wasn't running well. I ran an 11.32 quater on my nekkid today at the Atco raceway. No figgin, Golf unless its running nitrous, is going to pull away. I also drive a modded wrx wagon which puts down 284 hp, which I can easily stuff, on me nekkid. :twisted:

[Red ones]

SOmewhere on the forum I remember putting about my challenge from a guy in a Citroen Saxo - he was still with me at 110 from a standing start!

[wheelnut]

That Golf must have been modded, or your bike wasn't running well. I ran an 11.32 quater on my nekkid today at the Atco raceway. No figgin, Golf unless its running nitrous, is going to pull away. I also drive a modded wrx wagon which puts down 284 hp, which I can easily stuff, on me nekkid. :twisted:

But dont forget that ower the pond they use shorter distances to measure miles :P

Ive never got anything like 160 miles to a tank running at plus 9000 rpm

[Wilky_Boy]

I would tend to agree. I own a modded Golf and a SV. They are both quick in different ways but if I had to sell one of them then it would be the Golf that I got rid of !!! I have more fun on my SV doing 40mph down a twisty road than I have ever had doing over 80mph on a dual carriageway in the car - and if it makes you feel any better I went over the Cat and Fiddle last week in my Golf and there was a Metro in front of me ( 'F' reg driven by an Old Git ) and he left me for dead !

[curium]

Just to back up what's already been said. I've found the SV starts to run out of puff around 100 so if the guy's got a head-start on you and is driving properly then he should keep ahead easily.

I choose my fights carefully tending to stick to roads I am familiar with and standing starts.

[wheelnut]

I reckon its easier just to let them go anyway. They are protected by a tonne of Teutonic steel and plastic.

All we can rely on is a dead cow :P

[kwak zzr]

i recon that when he cut me up he was going a bit and i was only in third tootleing along,by the time id got in to second and off the island and on the gas he would have had about 150yards on me with his foot to the boards,surpose he'd have took some catching on most bikes!
(still like to drag him from the car and give him large nose bleed 4 cuttin me up!)
since this thread ive seen some very nice speeds on the sv,it may have been around 3 figures(on a private road you see)and still pulling.
daz

[Warren]

its whats known as a dead ringer iin the modded car scene.

basically a car that doesnt look special, but under the hood - some serious work has been performed.

i encountered a mondeo once down the lanes, he overtook me at first,

thought "im game" and chased him, just managed to get past it and i was ringing the neck of the CBR.
when i hit 100 i backed off.


this mondeo looked standard, but id lay a grand down to say that its not.

[northwind]

Did they not used to call those street sleepers?

[Warren]

Did they not used to call those street sleepers?

probably,

[MavUK]

Never ecountered one that cn do the SV at the speeds I ride at...

But... Got seriously shamed on the motorway once in the Volvo... Now it's a quick car on the motorway - a definate street sleeper, however... I'm in overtaking someone in the outside lane at about 130kmph (80ish) and this white van man is chewing my taillights. I thought I'd put some distance between him and me and hit the loud peddle... Nothing happend, the van is still there. By now I've got past the car I'm overtaking and pulled over still hard on the throttle and this van comes past and walks away from me.

I'm thinking my cars knackered until I see I'm well into losing my lisence terriotory and this van is *still* accelerating away...

Now I know I can walk most cars normal at these speeds - best rev range and speed for my car - but this thing was astounding... I felt like a fool though :oops:

[Jelster]

I played with an M3 yesterday... They're quick, but not that quick.... :lol:

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[twotime]

might have been a tuned vr6 or somehting like that. Was it left hand drive by any chance? I've got a mk2 golf G60, supercharged with a few mods, nothing on the outside but some serious work under the bonnet :wink:

I'tll do 1/4 mile in just over 13.5 and go on to 152mph, but looks like a normal golf on the outside. still wouldn't be quicker than the Sv 0-60 though.....

[Stef]

The only cars that followed my SV :

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7
Aston Martin DB7
Mercedes something SEL AMG

Those things were FAST and driven by guys who knew what to do. (On the local airfield, I swear :lol: )

I've destroyed cars that (on paper) would be more then a match for the SV (Porche 911 GT4, Ferrari 355, Catherham, ...), but as said here before it all depends on who's driving it. Most sports car owners don't know sh*t about how to drive those 300+ bhp monsters.

[Scooby Drew]

Was test riding a Tuono yesterday and had a Seat creep up on me (it turns out to be a Cupra) I was going a little carefully on the corners (it was one of my more favorite twisties) and he was able to catch up to me but there was no way he was going to be able to pass without doing something suicidal/very dangerous and when I hit the straights I didn't exactly leave him but managed to put a bit of space between us. I would have had some trouble doing that on the SV.

[JakeRS]

so guys, how fast top end is an SV650? im sure i'll find out once i've got one (on an airstrip, of course...) but im interested to find out now...!

[Carsick]

so guys, how fast top end is an SV650? im sure i'll find out once i've got one (on an airstrip, of course...) but im interested to find out now...!
Indicated 129mph on mine, though others claim to have seen 140mph.

[fizzwheel]

I've had about 125mph out of mine, not really sure as I wasnt exactly concentrating on the speedo

[mattSV]

Indicated 135 on my curvy :twisted:

[JakeRS]

cool, im lookin forward to the acceleration, was told its awesome... but the top speed kindas sucks compared to an inline...

[Carsick]

cool, im lookin forward to the acceleration, was told its awesome... but the top speed kindas sucks compared to an inline...
An SV is just different to an I4.
The sheer acceleration won't be nearly as much, the top speed won't be as high either. In trade off you get a narrow, light bike that turns quickly and produces a decent amount of torque to drive you around and out of bends. Add onto that the fact that the low down torque makes town riding easier and the fact that you don't have to mess about the gears so much.

[fizzwheel]

cool, im lookin forward to the acceleration, was told its awesome... but the top speed kindas sucks compared to an inline...

An SV isnt about top end, if you are after monster top end you want a 4 pot or a 1000cc V twin

[JakeRS]

i dont, i want an SV :lol:

[diamond]

Well said. :D

[fizzwheel]

i dont, i want an SV :lol:

Good Man, you wont be disappointed :thumbsup:

[JakeRS]

i certainly hope not! i think it'll make a damn good first 'big' bike... bit of a jump from my rs125 but hey... cheap insurance! had a ride on my mates FZR600, immensly powerful, think i'd kill myself on one... so i'm hoping the SV will be slightly lower in power than it!

[mattSV]

The FZR was a great bike - it was the first proper bike I went on as a pillion in about 1989 - very quick :twisted:

The FZR made around 80bhp, and weighed 200kg -so I don't think the SV's performance will be that different!

[JakeRS]

well it was the first bike over 125 that i rode so probably why it made an impact on me. Does indicated 148mph tops, and i've heard thats about right for an FZR600. Will the acceleration on an SV be better than the FZR?