View Full Version : Tinted visor law is stupid-sign this petition
copy&past job spread the word yourself aswell :lol:
The UK has passed a law that makes black, colourd. or tinted visors illegal
you dont need me to tell you how stupid this law is . the only good reson i can think of for the goverment is that faces cannot be photographed with all the front facing speed camera.s all over the place. all you with dark visor.s please sign this petition and send it to as many forums as you can with a hope to stop them making even more money from us .
http://www.petitiononline.com/ukvisor/petition.html
Great idea sticky! :D
Good job people, I always use a dark visor in summer BUT always carry a clear one for when I’m pulled (Not once yet, touch wood) or get caught out visiting someone late afternoon, law, what a joke it is sometimes, safety 1 Law 0.
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joelowden
16-05-05, 04:10 AM
Done.
Longshotmojo
16-05-05, 07:00 AM
Done
Argh! Blocked as "CHAT" can someone sign my name
Kevin Morgan - Caerphilly
I dont think it is stupid law.
Anonymous
16-05-05, 07:31 AM
Its not a new law. Actually it sounds like they were reviewing the legislation which I hadnt heard about but didnt change it. Perhaps we should have lobbied during the review process. Hopefully someone did.
Ceri JC
16-05-05, 09:11 AM
Just wear sunglasses. Doesn't look as good, but it's:
a) As effective
b) Quicker to 'change'
c) Perfectly legal.
That said, I reckon tinted visors should be legal, so I'm off to sign the petiton :)
Carsick
16-05-05, 09:19 AM
Just wear sunglasses. Doesn't look as good, but it's:
a) As effective
b) Quicker to 'change'
c) Perfectly legal.
Add in
d) not entirely safe
e) not very comfortable
f) more expensive for reasonable quality
g) an extra thing to steam up
I agree with making black visors something you can only wear in daytime, and I would agree with telling people off if it's obviously a day when they're not a great idea, but on a bright day they are a very good thing and I find them necessary.
fizzwheel
16-05-05, 09:26 AM
done
I think it comes down to common sense, I dont wear my iridium visor if its lashing with rain, I'll be out when I know its going to get dark halfway through my ride.
I always carry my clear one with me in any case, and I still reckon its just as quick to change the visor on my shoei as it would be to stop and take my perscription sunnies off and put my normal glasses back on.
wyrdness
16-05-05, 10:21 AM
Signed. Not that it's likely to make any difference.
Baldyman
16-05-05, 11:23 AM
....but on a bright day they are a very good thing and I find them necessary.
Except yours must be totally black, cos you went past me like Billy Whiz this morning on the M27 .......or were you just ignoring me :wink:
Carsick
16-05-05, 11:25 AM
....but on a bright day they are a very good thing and I find them necessary.
Except yours must be totally black, cos you went past me like Billy Whiz this morning on the M27 .......or were you just ignoring me :wink:
I saw you and waved with my leg.
I wasn't going that quick, though, you were just dawdling.
I only had 40 odd miles to home, and needed another cup of tea.
creamerybutter
16-05-05, 11:46 AM
Just wear sunglasses. Doesn't look as good, but it's:
a) As effective
b) Quicker to 'change'
c) Perfectly legal.
Add in
d) not entirely safe
e) not very comfortable
f) more expensive for reasonable quality
g) an extra thing to steam up
I agree with making black visors something you can only wear in daytime, and I would agree with telling people off if it's obviously a day when they're not a great idea, but on a bright day they are a very good thing and I find them necessary.
I have to ride trough some poorly lit underpasses on the journey from work and when I have my shades on it makes it very dark and I usually don't wear them for that part of the journey and then pull over and put them on later which quite frankly is a pain in the ****, at least with a tinted visor I can just lift the thing up when in the tunnels.
I agree there are times when using one is stupid just like when wearing sunglasses or in fact having tinted windows on your car, I will carry a clear visor with me as swapping visors in only slightly more hassle than taking of my glasses.
Also Signed
job done.
not gonna make any difference tho im afraid.
RenamedMonkey
16-05-05, 01:45 PM
Done-didily-done!
What you lot forget is that there is a small minority of riders who spoil it for the majority. These are the ones that will go out without a claer visor then ride home in the dusk/night whilst wearing them. Its those people that stop the tints become law!
Also, there was recently a government white paper on the subject i believe. After extensive testing, it was proved that there was no saftey improvement in wearing a tinted visor.
I still go with sunglasses thank you very much!
Flamin_Squirrel
16-05-05, 02:01 PM
So just make it legal to wear a dark visor if you've got a clear visor with you :roll:
So just make it legal to wear a dark visor if you've got a clear visor with you :roll:
Again, that would be a good point. But people wont will they. Bikers are thier own worst enemy simple as that.
Flamin_Squirrel
16-05-05, 02:09 PM
I can't really see the problem. If you cause an accident because you're riding a night with a dark visor then it's obvious you were being dangerous.
The law banning dark visor makes about as much sense as the law on spare wheels. As in you're allowed to drive a car with no spare wheel, but you're not allowed to drive a car with a spare wheel with an illegal tread, incase you're tempted to use it.
It's especialy stupid when you can legaly ride a bike with no lights on a daytime MOT. Whats worse being caught at night with?! At least you CAN change your visor.
Pre-emptively charging people with crimes is stupid - it's like arresting someone for murder because they own a kitchen knife.
Oh, as for the government white paper... would you trust anything the government says?!
I can't really see the problem. If you cause an accident because you're riding a night with a dark visor then it's obvious you were being dangerous.
The law banning dark visor makes about as much sense as the law on spare wheels. As in you're allowed to drive a car with no spare wheel, but you're not allowed to drive a car with a spare wheel with an illegal tread, incase you're tempted to use it.
Pre-emptively charging people with crimes is stupid - it's like arresting someone for murder because they own a kitchen knife.
Oh, as for the government white paper... would you trust anything the government says?!
I just think this debate has gone on for years. Its never going to be won, so why waste energy over it time and time again. Most of you biker scum have race cans fitted, yet you dont let that seem to worry you, so just wear your tinted visors and quit ya whinging.
fizzwheel
16-05-05, 02:14 PM
As I said earlier, its common sense not use the dark visor at night or when the light conditions are poor, i.e. when its raining. As Viney says there are a minority of people that spoil it for everybod else.
It doesnt make any sense, I think its ridiculous that its OK to wear a pair of sunglasses under a clear visor, but not ot wear a dark visor. I have seen sunglasses that are way darker than my dark visor.
creamerybutter
16-05-05, 02:19 PM
What you lot forget is that there is a small minority of riders who spoil it for the majority. These are the ones that will go out without a claer visor then ride home in the dusk/night whilst wearing them. Its those people that stop the tints become law!
Also, there was recently a government white paper on the subject i believe. After extensive testing, it was proved that there was no saftey improvement in wearing a tinted visor.
I still go with sunglasses thank you very much!
I have also seen a number of car drivers and biker wearing Shades when it's actually quite dark. If you wear prescription sunglasses and don't take clear glasses with you then you would be in the exact same position as only having a dark visor with you.
I wear shades at the moment but they are annoying because they mist up, They are scratched to fook as I tend to ride with my visor open when wearing them (dependent on speed) because they are polarising and everything changes colour when my visor is down and I have already lost two pairs through forgetting to do my pocket up.
Ok heres a scenario.
Boy racer has his supped up nova. He has tinted windows. Now, he has limo tint on his side windows (<18% light transmittal) because he thinks its cool. He turns into your path and knocks you off your bike. You go blaming him and his tinted windows. Now his car window area is under the same regulations as your visors, as in they have to allow a minimum of 25% light transmittal. Also, you can not tint the front screen of a car. So why should you be able to effectivly, tint your windscreen on your lid?
If they allow bikers to wear tinted visors on bikes, then the law will effectivly change for Boy racer, allowing him to tint the screen of his nova thus making them even more dangerous! That i think is the wider implicatons of tinted visors.
What you lot forget is that there is a small minority of riders who spoil it for the majority. These are the ones that will go out without a claer visor then ride home in the dusk/night whilst wearing them. Its those people that stop the tints become law!
Also, there was recently a government white paper on the subject i believe. After extensive testing, it was proved that there was no saftey improvement in wearing a tinted visor.
I still go with sunglasses thank you very much!
I wear shades at the moment but they are annoying because they mist up, They are scratched to fook as I tend to ride with my visor open when wearing them (dependent on speed) because they are polarising and everything changes colour when my visor is down and I have already lost two pairs through forgetting to do my pocket up.
And thats a good enough reason for you to wear a tinted visor...casue you cant look after your property ;)
creamerybutter
16-05-05, 02:24 PM
I have seen loads of cars with tinted windscreens and they aren't able to swap it with a clear one if the weather goes pear shaped.
Flamin_Squirrel
16-05-05, 02:24 PM
Ok heres a scenario.
Boy racer has his supped up nova. He has tinted windows. Now, he has limo tint on his side windows (<18% light transmittal) because he thinks its cool. He turns into your path and knocks you off your bike. You go blaming him and his tinted windows. Now his car window area is under the same regulations as your visors, as in they have to allow a minimum of 25% light transmittal. Also, you can not tint the front screen of a car. So why should you be able to effectivly, tint your windscreen on your lid?
If they allow bikers to wear tinted visors on bikes, then the law will effectivly change for Boy racer, allowing him to tint the screen of his nova thus making them even more dangerous! That i think is the wider implicatons of tinted visors.
I think thats completely irrelivent argument, because you can't switch over you're tinted windows :wink:
creamerybutter
16-05-05, 02:28 PM
What you lot forget is that there is a small minority of riders who spoil it for the majority. These are the ones that will go out without a claer visor then ride home in the dusk/night whilst wearing them. Its those people that stop the tints become law!
Also, there was recently a government white paper on the subject i believe. After extensive testing, it was proved that there was no saftey improvement in wearing a tinted visor.
I still go with sunglasses thank you very much!
I wear shades at the moment but they are annoying because they mist up, They are scratched to fook as I tend to ride with my visor open when wearing them (dependent on speed) because they are polarising and everything changes colour when my visor is down and I have already lost two pairs through forgetting to do my pocket up.
And thats a good enough reason for you to wear a tinted visor...casue you cant look after your property ;)
Yes for me it is, it's my own stupid fault yes but I'd like to save a little cash and it wasn't the only reason.
Viney Winey? Are you for real lol, take your comments elsewhere winey.
Go on make us laugh with your wit :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
fraser01
16-05-05, 06:58 PM
The law is unchanged....obviously a review of current legislation.....complying to BS4110...(as Rich said)
I doubt the law will change, and i doubt everyone will stop wearing illegal visors..... illegal exhausts and illegal plates...... :wink:
Def not worth losing any sleep over.......
let me get this straight....
more people have done this petition to get tinted visors legal than the one I put up to get better sentencing for the idiots who knock bikers off, run pedestrians over etc etc? :? glad we got our priorities right here :?
Given the preference Id go for a tinted visor given Id rather not be wearing sunnies in an accident.
Btw can someone please clarify what the current law actually is for those of us who moved out the uk for the past 2 years and not needed one since coming back.
Baldyman
17-05-05, 10:37 AM
I saw you and waved with my leg.
I wasn't going that quick, though, you were just dawdling.
I only had 40 odd miles to home, and needed another cup of tea.
Anyone would think you had been on the continent, what with waving a leg and speeding :wink:
Ok heres a scenario.
Boy racer has his supped up nova. He has tinted windows. Now, he has limo tint on his side windows (<18% light transmittal) because he thinks its cool. He turns into your path and knocks you off your bike. You go blaming him and his tinted windows. Now his car window area is under the same regulations as your visors, as in they have to allow a minimum of 25% light transmittal. Also, you can not tint the front screen of a car. So why should you be able to effectivly, tint your windscreen on your lid?
If they allow bikers to wear tinted visors on bikes, then the law will effectivly change for Boy racer, allowing him to tint the screen of his nova thus making them even more dangerous! That i think is the wider implicatons of tinted visors.
It's not quite the same Ian. Being in a dark and enclosed area (when wearing a lid), looking through a tinted visor at a bright and sunny day still allows for a very clear view, without the glare and light intensity that may otherwise affect your vision.
Being inside a car, that is relatively light because of all the windows and their relative area around you, looking out onto a bright sunny day, does not allow the same visibility.
Also consider:
- We can change visors in seconds, changing a cars windows is not as easy!
- If you were driving at night with sunglasses on, you'd be arrested - no difference with visors.
What I'm getting at is that if you're wearing a tinted visor, whatever transparency, then it should be treated no differently to sunglasses. Which means no "that's too dark" stuff... if you can see adequately, then fine, if not, then you're stupid.
I've already solved the problem, at least for me. My new shiny Caberg V2 with it's internal visor is quite perfect. The ideal solution that doesn't require having to stop and take an insert out or replace a tinted visor with a clear one. It's also totally road legal.
http://www.cabergv2.co.uk/images/v2black.jpg
Yes some of you may smirk and say it's just a cheapo helmet but I'm most impressed. Who's for betting that Arai and Shoei don't come out with a similar system shortly?
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Whats the score with the Arai tinted visors that are advertised as road legal?
Are we saying now that they aren't? :? :?
Flamin_Squirrel
17-05-05, 01:01 PM
You can get tinted visors that are legal, they're just alot less tinted than dark race visors.
Hows the V2 for blocking out really bright sunshine Greg? I've got the original, and for cutting out the glare it doesn't come close to my Arai + dark visor :(
Visors can be tinted, to allow no less than 50% light transfer - that's legal, or was!
It was widely acknowledged that with only 50% tint, that didn't go a long way to reducing the glare on nice sunny days.
Signed it and got another mate to do it. 4600!
Viney Winey? Are you for real lol, take your comments elsewhere winey.
Go on make us laugh with your wit :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: 1st off it would be Whiney. Secondly, im not the one whining. It the ones that are still going on about tinted visors, a debate that has been going for years. At the end of the day, just wear the bloody things. Hell, most bikes have race cans fitted and people bang on about them not being legal. Just wait until the 1st case comes up against someone whose accident was contributed to by weraing a dark visor.
Next they'll be uproar over wearing hoodies and basball caps :roll: :lol:
Hows the V2 for blocking out really bright sunshine Greg? I've got the original, and for cutting out the glare it doesn't come close to my Arai + dark visor :(
It's good enough for me. Not so dark that as you pass into a wooded glade you suddenly can't see anything, but dark enough to reduce glare to acceptable and comfortable levels.
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Biker Biggles
17-05-05, 03:57 PM
4605 :D
GSXR Carlos
17-05-05, 06:00 PM
Nr 4607 yippee
Anonymous
17-05-05, 06:47 PM
done
hall13uk
17-05-05, 06:57 PM
done
4611 now
dirtydog
17-05-05, 08:06 PM
done #4612
Godikus
17-05-05, 08:11 PM
Pure mad mantal hefty done man. n aww that. innit
Ok heres a scenario.
Boy racer has his supped up nova. He has tinted windows. Now, he has limo tint on his side windows (<18% light transmittal) because he thinks its cool. He turns into your path and knocks you off your bike. You go blaming him and his tinted windows. Now his car window area is under the same regulations as your visors, as in they have to allow a minimum of 25% light transmittal. Also, you can not tint the front screen of a car. So why should you be able to effectivly, tint your windscreen on your lid?
If they allow bikers to wear tinted visors on bikes, then the law will effectivly change for Boy racer, allowing him to tint the screen of his nova thus making them even more dangerous! That i think is the wider implicatons of tinted visors.+
so . . . you signed it then viney ;)
cosmiccharlie
18-05-05, 06:12 PM
Done
As long as you can change it to a clear one when suitable i dont see the problem with dark visors,
I use a tinted fog city but am sick of the sun shining between the insert and the top of the brow part of the helmet, have looked at fully tinited / iridium visors, but so unsure about the legalities hence the insert,
jay1234five
19-05-05, 09:03 AM
Done :wink:
Cloggsy
19-05-05, 12:00 PM
Done ;)
Stormspiel
19-05-05, 12:34 PM
Done.
Read through comments. Particularly "have you seen what wearing glasses does to a rider in the event of a crash..." Yes i have. Not nice at all. I totally agree with the rule/law at night, but on a bright day i'm sorry but mines staying exactly where it is!!! :lol::twisted: :lol:
Cloggsy
19-05-05, 05:19 PM
"have you seen what wearing glasses does to a rider in the event of a crash..."
That was me :thumbsup:
(... It was 'sunglasses' by the way :!:)
I was refering to Mrs fud's Dad when he fell off on his way to the '04 Annual rideout - He had to have plastic surgury to repair the damage caused by his glasses :shock:
jamieclayton9
19-05-05, 06:55 PM
done :shock:
454697819
20-05-05, 08:43 AM
where do i stand then??
My roof Daytona has a roan legal tinted visor......
but as my normal specs are weak i use my sunglasses on sunny days underneath it???
My sunglasses are road lgal too....and yes there is a limit on them aswell!!
I geuss thats Illegal, but i think its fine and it works ok for me... hmmmmmmm??
Lulabelle
20-05-05, 12:11 PM
Done!! :D
mr&mrs_sv
21-05-05, 03:39 PM
done and sent on!!!!!! :wink:
El Saxo
21-05-05, 09:25 PM
Done 8)
diamond
21-05-05, 11:17 PM
Done :lol:
8)
4699...... dam wanted to be 4700.... :wink:
norvidick
22-05-05, 06:41 PM
Done
Oneiros
23-05-05, 09:01 PM
Also, there was recently a government white paper on the subject i believe. After extensive testing, it was proved that there was no saftey improvement in wearing a tinted visor.
no saftey improvement over what? riding into the sun with no protection from glare or being involved in an acident with peices of glass a cm away from the eyes?
Do you have a link to a copy of this white paper Viney? I'd be interested in reading what extensive testing was carried out.
Oneiros
23-05-05, 09:10 PM
If they allow bikers to wear tinted visors on bikes, then the law will effectivly change for Boy racer, allowing him to tint the screen of his nova thus making them even more dangerous! That i think is the wider implicatons of tinted visors.
or (assuming your facts are accurate) they could stop grouping motorcycle visors with chavs side windows and group them with motorcyclists' goggles wich currently permitted 18% of light transmittance.
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