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One of the things that is on my shopping list is an alarm and/or immobilisor but i need some advice about which i should get and how much i need to spend.
I had my 125 tampered with outside my house in November last year so i'm a bit paranoid that my SV will come to the same fate.
It depends on your budget. You will get a discount of your insurance so that should make it sloightly cheaper. Datatool system 3 is very popular, for arou £350. I also saw this on the web try them. They guarantee the security system for a yr and if does get nicked they make good for your lost ncb and offer replacement bike for the period you are without one.
http://www.motorcyclesecurity.co.uk/
wheelnut
16-05-05, 08:11 AM
I had a Meta 357 alarm fitted, but they are really any good to warn you that some scumbag has backed over it while you are away for a few minutes.
If you park it on the street, invest in a big f cough chain and borrow a local lampost or safety rail.
Depends where you live, i suppose, my area is relativly crime free. Only 26 gun related murders last year
coombest
16-05-05, 09:24 AM
Be aware with the insurance discounts mentioned... You will only get a maximum of 10% off your total premium with a Thatcham Approved Immobiliser/Alarm combo fitted by a Thatcham approved technician... This ia also only valid for a maximum of 3 years from the date of fitment.
When you add it up, with the alarm costing a minimum of £300 fitted, to break even you muct have an insurance bill well in excess of £1000... And then it mustn't get cheaper for the next 2 renewals, so you'll have to make a claim on it each year - meaning the alarm/immobiliser possibly hasn't done it's job!
Not trying to put you off - I had a Meta M357Tv2 on my SV and have an old Datatool alarm which is not insurance approved anymore (and doesn't work now!) on my Daytona... I just think people should know the real costs, etc.
Tou'll be better off investing in some serious physical security (chains, disc locks, ground acchor, bike cover, etc.) or for the money you could save by not fitting an alarm - how about renting a garage if you don't have one available to you!!?? :lol:
HTH
I had a Meta 357 alarm fitted, but they are really any good to warn you that some scumbag has backed over it while you are away for a few minutes.
If you park it on the street, invest in a big f cough chain and borrow a local lampost or safety rail.
Depends where you live, i suppose, my area is relativly crime free. Only 26 gun related murders last year
yes, i much prefer this one to the datatool.
so much easier to use.
Is it better then to get an alarm/immobiliser or a good lock ?
Seems to be a few threads lately that have thieves bypassing alarms or just nicking bikes with the alarm going
id have to say a good lock and anchor,
i can recommend a good solid ground anchor (oxford terraforce).
but to be honest, ive seen so many ground anchors that are thatcham approved that look as skinny as anything. the bigger and heavier the better.
but dont forget, if it takes ten mins to install your ground anchor, its gonna take ten mins to remove it, so take your time, layer the cement properly too.
dont rely on 1 thick chain, instead, get a few thick chains. i can recommend the luma solido disc lock and chain combo, its pretty meaty and looks like someone has had a go at mine with a hacksaw and hasnt got very far at all.
once you got the basics, then start looking at alarms and stuff.
i currently have
oxford terraforce (ground anchor)
luma solido disc lock and chain
1 other chain and lock (not a motorcycle specific one)
2 disc locks
hona hiss immobiliser
meta system 3 alarm/immobiliser
bike cover (tucked inder my side stand, so in order to get the cover off, the alarm will go off)
and smart water.
main reason i wanted an alarm, was cos i can hear it from my bedroom window, and id look forward to throwing a few bricks down on anyone who wants to tamper with my bike.
oh, and i know it sounds strange, but i smeared loads of dirty oil up my old bike cover to give the impression that there was some sort of jalopy under neath.
Is it better then to get an alarm/immobiliser or a good lock ?
Seems to be a few threads lately that have thieves bypassing alarms or just nicking bikes with the alarm going
The more security you have on your bike the better. I had a 749 nicked with alarm/imobiliser, disc lock, chain lock and gound anchor. If they want to take your bike they'll find a way. What you must do is put them off as much as possible, get them to think this one is a difficult job, let's find something easier!
Also if its in your bac k garden, or somewhere with a fence that they have to climb over, try nailing carpet grippers to the tops of the fences, they will never see them in the dark and when they jump up they will have really badly cut hands (and hopefully tetanus too)
Theres about 4 patches of blood over mine now, the bike hasnt ever been touched.
weegaz22
16-05-05, 11:25 AM
Also if its in your bac k garden, or somewhere with a fence that they have to climb over, try nailing carpet grippers to the tops of the fences, they will never see them in the dark and when they jump up they will have really badly cut hands (and hopefully tetanus too)
Theres about 4 patches of blood over mine now, the bike hasnt ever been touched.
i like your thinking....anyway of electrifying them? :lol:
When i previously had my scooter a vespa 125et4, I had it nicked twice, and tampered with many times, all by local kids... but never ever had my sv touched.. I think it tends to be more organised crime with the bigger bikes.. anyway, yes the system 3 is the one to go for, is definitely the most popular but get it professionally installed. It is a bit pricey too, but worth it in the end i guess. you can also get a pager with it which will let you know if the alarm has gone off.
Also if its in your bac k garden, or somewhere with a fence that they have to climb over, try nailing carpet grippers to the tops of the fences, they will never see them in the dark and when they jump up they will have really badly cut hands (and hopefully tetanus too)
Theres about 4 patches of blood over mine now, the bike hasnt ever been touched.
i like your thinking....anyway of electrifying them? :lol:
Unfortunately not, but hey, i can always flatten out some barbed wire and electrify that!
Even better i could wrap the carpet grippers around the electryfied barbed wire, give the suckers some pain!
Getting a bit carried away there.... :lol:
It depends on your budget. You will get a discount of your insurance so that should make it sloightly cheaper. Datatool system 3 is very popular, for arou £350. I also saw this on the web try them. They guarantee the security system for a yr and if does get nicked they make good for your lost ncb and offer replacement bike for the period you are without one.
http://www.motorcyclesecurity.co.uk/
I've got one of those and what they don't tell you when you pay for it is thet the terms and conditions state you must keep the bike garaged between something like 9pm and 7am for them to cover you with this guarantee. Also the movement sensor is not adjustable and mine would not go off even if you sat on the bike and rocked it, so the guy installing it screwed it into the undertray, which made it work a lot better but now I have two screws sticking out of the undertray :? . They also don't come with a pillion seat sensor, so there's nothing stopping someone breaking that off and having a play with everything inside, they do an accessory loop though which you could wire in a 'push to make' switch under the pillion seat with, but that's something you'll need to do yourself.
As for a chain, I would definitely recommend the Almax (http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/) range. Not only are they highly rated by Ride magazine but they are also very nice people to deal with. They had put their prices up the day I went to order a chain off them but they let me have what I wanted at the old price and they also let me have a second chain that I could carry around at cost price :D .
....just another product to look at.
I don't have one, so can't speak from personal experience, but Almax chains get good reviews.
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
richwill68
16-05-05, 03:54 PM
Go for locks and chains first mate. The more and better quality they are, the better. If you make it difficult for the scum to nick your pride and joy, they are more likely to go nick something a little less secure. Alarms/immobilisers are ok as long as YOU can hear them, 'cos most other people respond with a muttered "Bloody noise, I wish it would shut up!" Which surely it will when the scum smash the sounder or heave the bike into the back of a van!
That said, Solalarm offer the SLA 815T at a reasonable price, Thatcham approved remote alarm/immob'. Not cutting edge technology but you want something that tells YOU that your bike is being tampered with and makes it difficult for the buggers to start. This alarm will do that.
N.B. If you make it almost impossible to remove the machine PHYSICALLY, this is always a good place to start. :D
Hope this helps,
Ride safe :D
....just another product to look at.
I don't have one, so can't speak from personal experience, but Almax chains get good reviews.
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
Beat you to it didn't I? :lol: They are good though.
The Datatool Ststem £ does come with a pillion seat sensor - well mine did anyway as I had one fittied to the Blade about three weeks ago.
£250 fitted inc vat from where I work - but as that's in Northampton it's gonna be a bit far for you, sorry.
I agree that a good lock and chain, preferably with a ground anchor (or other immovable object) is a better starting point. Part of the reason for saying this is that Datatool are bringing out their next generation alarm/immobiliser (System 4.1 of something :roll: ) and you may start to find discounts on System 3's if you shop around.
We were told some time this month - so only a couple of weeks to go then! :wink:
It's horses for courses, lock/chain or alarm/immobiliers are more likely to deter joy riders, but Smar****er, Datatagging and the like are more off-putting to your more professional 'parts-breaker' thief. It's expensive to cover all the bases.
On really cheap method of a visual deterant (in addition to a lock and chain) is to fit a simple flashing LED. You can get all the parts from Maplin or a similar supplier and I've been told it's fairly simple to rig up.
After all, that's generally all you get to see of an alarm and it's highly visable at night.
Thanx for the advice for far guys (so glad i have this site for help :D )
Does anyone know if that new alarm lock from oxford is any good ?
....just another product to look at.
I don't have one, so can't speak from personal experience, but Almax chains get good reviews.
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
Beat you to it didn't I? :lol: They are good though.
Sorry, hadn't spotted that! :oops:
Still, great minds think alike! :wink:
I don't have one, so can't speak from personal experience, but Almax chains get good reviews.
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
Yeah - 16mm links so weight a ton, too heavy to be portable IMHO. Pretty-much unbreakable, though, so good for home security.
You'll need something lighter if you want to carry it with you - try an Oxford Monster for £99.99 from Hein Gericke, which includes a carrying case that you strap to the pillion seat. Thatcham and Sold Secure approved.
Does anyone know if that new alarm lock from oxford is any good ?
Probably easily disabled by a pro-thief. Try a Motrax Vischas disk-lock in addition to (not instead of) a good chain
I don't have one, so can't speak from personal experience, but Almax chains get good reviews.
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
Yeah - 16mm links so weight a ton, too heavy to be portable IMHO. Pretty-much unbreakable, though, so good for home security.
You'll need something lighter if you want to carry it with you - try an Oxford Monster for £99.99 from Hein Gericke, which includes a carrying case that you strap to the pillion seat. Thatcham and Sold Secure approved.
The sereies 1 they do has 13mm links and is half the weight, and I'm sure they'll let you have one at a decent price if you get one of the series 2 chains from them, they let me have one for cost price!
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