You are therefore summoned to appear at the date shown...!

[Anonymous]

As you'll no doubtedly remember, i got tugged about 2 weeks ago for speeding, after a chase of about 10 miles.

I received my summons to court on Saturday morning. They have only charged me with "...at a speed exceeding 60mph. Contrary to article 3 of the 70mph, 60mph, 50mph (temp speed limit) order 1977 as varied and continued....." So looks like they've not pushed for charges of failure to stop when requested to do so.

The bike is now for sale officially. I've told work and my dad, both were alright about it. My push bike has been dusted down and is booked in for a full overhaul and ive enquired about bus time tables to and from work.

Im due in court at 10am on Wednesday 3rd August 2005.

Few weeks left.... :cry:

Think of the money i'll save on petrol though..... :lol:

[keithd]

As you'll no doubtedly remember, i got tugged about 2 weeks ago for speeding, after a chase of about 10 miles.

I received my summons to court on Saturday morning. They have only charged me with "...at a speed exceeding 60mph. Contrary to article 3 of the 70mph, 60mph, 50mph (temp speed limit) order 1977 as varied and continued....." So looks like they've not pushed for charges of failure to stop when requested to do so.

The bike is now for sale officially. I've told work and my dad, both were alright about it. My push bike has been dusted down and is booked in for a full overhaul and ive enquired about bus time tables to and from work.

Im due in court at 10am on Wednesday 3rd August 2005.

Few weeks left.... :cry:

Think of the money i'll save on petrol though..... :lol:

you might want to save that to pay for your insurance when your license is returned.... :shock:

good luck on said date....

[Cloggsy]

As you'll no doubtedly remember, i got tugged about 2 weeks ago for speeding, after a chase of about 10 miles.

I received my summons to court on Saturday morning. They have only charged me with "...at a speed exceeding 60mph. Contrary to article 3 of the 70mph, 60mph, 50mph (temp speed limit) order 1977 as varied and continued....." So looks like they've not pushed for charges of failure to stop when requested to do so.

The bike is now for sale officially. I've told work and my dad, both were alright about it. My push bike has been dusted down and is booked in for a full overhaul and ive enquired about bus time tables to and from work.

Im due in court at 10am on Wednesday 3rd August 2005.

Few weeks left.... :cry:

Think of the money i'll save on petrol though..... :lol:

you might want to save that to pay for your insurance when your license is returned.... :shock:

good luck on said date....

Or even your re-test (if the bloke in the wig says you have to do one) :roll:

Good luck :wink:

[diamond]

Good luck fella, may your ban be short and your fine be small :D

[Patch]

What was in the evidence bundle?

[jonboy]

Best of luck, do stay around the forum ;).


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[Anonymous]

What was in the evidence bundle?

A witness statment saying that they picked me up on the prolaser III speed gun and thats it.

[Jabba]

What was in the evidence bundle?

A witness statment saying that they picked me up on the prolaser III speed gun and thats it.

It mentions the distance from which they "zapped" you?

[Anonymous]

What was in the evidence bundle?

A witness statment saying that they picked me up on the prolaser III speed gun and thats it.

It mentions the distance from which they "zapped" you?

Conveniently for the officers involved it doesnt. It said loud and proud on the gun that it was 1068 feet, and they explained it to me as well. But in the statement it gives no mention to the distance.

[Patch]

If you have access to a scanner, I'd suggest you scan all the documents and then, making sure you remove any identifying information, post them onto Pepipoo and ask for help.

You never know there may be a technicality available to you.

[Anonymous]

I;ve posted the situation on Pepipoo, loads of people taking a look at it but no one offering any advice... guess im just stuffed. lol

[will]

I am struggling to understand you here GYKD. #-o

You acknowledge you were speeding, then tried you to outrun the police because you knew you were nicked and already have 9 points so it will be a ban. Then you're wanting to wriggle out of it on the pretext of some flimsy technicality, and on pepipoo are calling the police liars, and only tell half the story.

take some responsibility for your actions, take it on the chin and stop whining.

[Anonymous]

I am struggling to understand you here GYKD. #-o

You acknowledge you were speeding, then tried you to outrun the police because you knew you were nicked and already have 9 points so it will be a ban. Then you're wanting to wriggle out of it on the pretext of some flimsy technicality, and on pepipoo are calling the police liars, and only tell half the story.

take some responsibility for your actions, take it on the chin and stop whining.

I would do... but if i lose my license i lose my eligabilty for promotion at work, thus potentially losing a very nice payrise and career development.

[mysteryjimbo]

At least you were lucky on the police chase situation.

I shouldnt pursue any technicalities in case that comes up.

Take it on the chin, stiff upper lip and all that. Use the time off from biking well to evaluate your riding.

Good luck on the fine (if any).

[Spiderman]

FYI, GYKD

The Home Office, meanwhile, has launched an investigation into the use of long-range ProLaser III radar guns after Inverness Sheriff Court threw out a speeding prosecution against 34-year-old John MacGregor. The alleged speed junkie was clocked at 132mph - something which surprised both MacGregor and the court since his car has a flat-out top speed of 107mph.

The ProLaser III is "a handheld device to catch vehicles more than a mile away" which was "designed to prevent drivers evading penalties by slowing down for roadside cameras then speeding up afterwards", the Daily Telegraph explains. Following the court's decision, MacGregor's lawyer called for all convictions based on ProLaser III readings to be reviewed. He further advised "motorists charged with speeding on evidence of the device to contest their case".

Taken from here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/23/81mph_school_bus/)

hth ;)

[creamerybutter]

Blimey you heard quick!

Six weeks an counting since I was caught and I have had nothing at all come in the post.

Good luck and I hope the verdict isn't too bad.

[Anonymous]

Yeah... got the information through, and at the top of the witness statement someone has printed in hand writing "FAST TRACK SPEEDER - HABITUAL"... guess they wanted to get me off the road asap. :evil:

[Biker Biggles]

For what it's worth,I think you should persue the validity of the speed gun.
It was either out of range at 1000+ or it was'nt and if it was you should be found not guilty.Have you consulted a lawyer?

[mysteryjimbo]

For what it's worth,I think you should persue the validity of the speed gun.
It was either out of range at 1000+ or it was'nt and if it was you should be found not guilty.Have you consulted a lawyer?

But the point is, he was guilty and has been found guilty on 3 other seperate occasions.

He also became involved in a high speed police pursuit. This is highly irresponsible and i dont see how anyone on this site can in any good conscience offer advice on how to get away with it :!:

It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

[Carsick]

It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.
But, to be fair to the man, he hasn't actually demonstrated that he is a physical danger purely because of the speeding. I routinely speed and would you say I'm a danger from what you've seen of my riding?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

...It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

I agreed with you up untill this point. What was this hyperthetical kid doing in the middle of the road?

[Anonymous]

But the point is, he was guilty and has been found guilty on 3 other seperate occasions.

He also became involved in a high speed police pursuit. This is highly irresponsible and i dont see how anyone on this site can in any good conscience offer advice on how to get away with it :!:

It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

If your child is playing on a main road in the middle of the countryside then id think you're an irresponsible parent.

I do not speed in build up areas. Re-read my first post that i submitted at the date of the offence - you will see i called the chase off as it had entered a built up area.... No ones life is worth risking for the sake of trying to evade the police.

[Jabba]

It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.
But, to be fair to the man, he hasn't actually demonstrated that he is a physical danger purely because of the speeding. I routinely speed and would you say I'm in a danger from what you've seen of my riding?

Aye - GYKD is doing what many of us would do in his situation, i.e. look for a way out of losing his licence.

At least he didn't nearly knock another rider off with a dodgy overtake....... :wink:

[Anonymous]

At least he didn't nearly knock another rider off with a dodgy overtake....... :wink:

:shock: Who did this Jabba?

[mysteryjimbo]

...It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

I agreed with you up untill this point. What was this hyperthetical kid doing in the middle of the road?

Who cares. My point is made.

We make our choice, we speed or we dont. We get caught from time to time. Very few of us run from the police. Helping him try to get out of a ban on a "technicality" is wrong when he has openly admitted his guilt.

[Jabba]

At least he didn't nearly knock another rider off with a dodgy overtake....... :wink:

:shock: Who did this Jabba?

:-#

[Anonymous]

Ill buy you a pint....or 2....3...4? if you spill the beans...

Or was it your fine self?

[Biker Biggles]

I have exceeded the speed limit rather more than four times in my time so I don't see any reason to tell others to just admit it and get banned.As for the running away bit,that was bloody stupid but reading between the lines,I don't think it was quite as dramatic as that,or he'd have been done for it.A little poetic license in the description perhaps?So good luck to him and maybe he will learn a lesson from it.?don't get caught.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

...It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

I agreed with you up untill this point. What was this hyperthetical kid doing in the middle of the road?

Who cares. My point is made.

We make our choice, we speed or we dont. We get caught from time to time. Very few of us run from the police. Helping him try to get out of a ban on a "technicality" is wrong when he has openly admitted his guilt.

That's your opinion. Other people see the system as a beuracratic money making scheme, and are seeking to use the rules that would see them convicted to get them off instead.

[Jabba]

Ill buy you a pint....or 2....3...4? if you spill the beans...

Tempting offer, but I've said more than I should already........ :help:

[Carsick]

Who cares. My point is made.

We make our choice, we speed or we dont. We get caught from time to time. Very few of us run from the police. Helping him try to get out of a ban on a "technicality" is wrong when he has openly admitted his guilt.
Many people would consider speeding wrong as well.
I'm not helping for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that I have no expertise to offer.
Needless to say, if I am caught speeding, I will try to find a way out of the punishment. It's one thing to take it on the chin and not whine when you have no choice, but if I can get out of it then I will.
Getting out of a speeding ticket (a normal one, not involving a police chase) is no different to slowing down just before you get to the camera then speeding up again afterwards..

[fizzwheel]

I think you should just take it on the chin mate, no point going to court and trying to get off IMHO they'll just chuck the book at you. I know you dont want to loose your license I wouldnt either I do sympathise with you.

Hope it goes OK and as somebody else said, may your fine be small and your ban short

good luck

[Biker Biggles]

Yes there is a hint or two of double standards creeping in.Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.I felt all religeous for a minute there :lol:

Only for a minute though :wink:

[Patch]

I think we have someone who has fallen hook line and sinker for the "speed kills message".

Look GYKD is a knob, his observation was ****e and he may well be banned but, he the evidence against him for speeding was gathered by using a device outside its approved range. at an acut angle and against the rear of a motorcycle with a flat target area of 9 x 7 inched assuming he has a legal plate. Given a range of over a thousand feet the accuracy of the measuring policemans aim is better than a marksman with a scope fitted rifle would expect to achieve.

For this he faces losing his job, home and future. Who did he endanger? No one. There was no kid in the road, there was no accident, there was no near miss. indeed when conditions dictated he slowed down.

The police chose to use the device incorrectly. It is GYKD's choice to see if he can exploit that.

If you have never broken the limit keep up your moral position, but if you do break the speed limit, by 10% + 2 from time to time you are 4 rides away from looking for a loophole yourself.

[Anonymous]

Look GYKD is a knob, his observation was sh*te




:shock: Ouch!! is there need for this Patch? I mean thanks for standing up for me, but to insult me like that.... :cry:

[Biker Biggles]

I thought that was a bit close to the bone :oops:

[Spiderman]

3...It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

I agreed with you up untill this point. What was this hyperthetical kid doing in the middle of the road?

Who cares. My point is made.

We make our choice, we speed or we dont. We get caught from time to time. Very few of us run from the police. Helping him try to get out of a ban on a "technicality" is wrong when he has openly admitted his guilt.

I cares tbh and i dont see you having made any point futher than the govt do. Thats is that "speed kills".
Well i for one dont think it does and i toatly disagree with "if he'd hit a child..." etc. If he was speeding in a built up area then he's a pr@t. if someome lets thier child play on a major road then they are the pr@t imo.

I just happened to come across that bit of info this morning and thought it may help him decide what he will do from here.

I got banned 10yrs ago for 6months cos the cops couldnt catch the fella they were chasing so made out they had been after me for jumpind a red light. Fact was i had looked in my mirror before attempting to stop for the lights and saw a massive silver beemer headed at me like i didnt exist...so i carried on thru the amber light.
Now that is all correct and allowed under the relevant Road traffic acts etc but the coppers were emarrased and needed to justify the "chase" and blues and two's. I pull over to get out their way and end up getting accused of something i didnt do.

The cop was even happy to perjur (sp?) himslef on the stand when asked about the silver BMW. He happily sat there and said there was no silver BMW and that i ws making it all up :shock:

Hence another 3 ponts that took me ober the 12 points and got me banned.

If GYKD posts abuot another speeding offence maybe i'll think twice about offering any advice but i just think the topping up system that leads to bans is a bad one and there are plenty of others out there who should not be on the road either....but because they sail over minin-roundabouts and thru pedestrians crossings and traffic lights at a constant 29mph (regardless of the raod conditions about them) they stay under the "detection meter" and are ignored by the traffic cops cos they "look safe enough". Till they drive into a biker, take his foot of with their grill in the impact and then drive away from the scene.

I sometimes prefer the company of speeders as opposed to those who dawdle about at 5mph below the limits. Know why...thye speeders usualy pay more attention as they are driving at speed and their senses are hightened because of it. *



BMW & Merc drivers on phones on M'ways are not included of course.

[Anonymous]

3...It is possible, next time he speeds, it could be your child crossing the road.

I agreed with you up untill this point. What was this hyperthetical kid doing in the middle of the road?

Who cares. My point is made.

We make our choice, we speed or we dont. We get caught from time to time. Very few of us run from the police. Helping him try to get out of a ban on a "technicality" is wrong when he has openly admitted his guilt.

I cares tbh and i dont see you having made any point futher than the govt do. Thats is that "speed kills".
Well i for one dont think it does and i toatly disagree with "if he'd hit a child..." etc. If he was speeding in a built up area then he's a pr@t. if someome lets thier child play on a major road then they are the pr@t imo.

I just happened to come across that bit of info this morning and thought it may help him decide what he will do from here.

I got banned 10yrs ago for 6months cos the cops couldnt catch the fella they were chasing so made out they had been after me for jumpind a red light. Fact was i had looked in my mirror before attempting to stop for the lights and saw a massive silver beemer headed at me like i didnt exist...so i carried on thru the amber light.
Now that is all correct and allowed under the relevant Road traffic acts etc but the coppers were emarrased and needed to justify the "chase" and blues and two's. I pull over to get out their way and end up getting accused of something i didnt do.

The cop was even happy to perjur (sp?) himslef on the stand when asked about the silver BMW. He happily sat there and said there was no silver BMW and that i ws making it all up :shock:

Hence another 3 ponts that took me ober the 12 points and got me banned.

If GYKD posts abuot another speeding offence maybe i'll think twice about offering any advice but i just think the topping up system that leads to bans is a bad one and there are plenty of others out there who should not be on the road either....but because they sail over minin-roundabouts and thru pedestrians crossings and traffic lights at a constant 29mph (regardless of the raod conditions about them) they stay under the "detection meter" and are ignored by the traffic cops cos they "look safe enough". Till they drive into a biker, take his foot of with their grill in the impact and then drive away from the scene.

I sometimes prefer the company of speeders as opposed to those who dawdle about at 5mph below the limits. Know why...thye speeders usualy pay more attention as they are driving at speed and their senses are hightened because of it. *



BMW & Merc drivers on phones on M'ways are not included of course.

:winner: What ive been trying to say since i first posted about me getting caught again... but worded much better by yourself. The ENTIRE reason i ride fast, is cos it keeps me alert! If i ride at 60, im DANGEROUS as i fall asleep - my mind drifts and i lose concentration. At 90-100, im in my "comfort zone" and spot dangerous situations... the reason i didnt see the cops this time is cos they were hidden from everyones view.

[Spiderman]

i had the dubious pleasure of the company of 2 bike cops the other week on my comute to work. Sections of road that follow a dual carriageway but have 30mph limits. 3 lanes. Me in middle lane with a bikecop in the lanes to either side of me.


The pack of traffic behind was staying well back and probably thought...."****...the cops are serios about crime now, they got Spiderman riding out with em!" :lol:

Point being tho.... i had to work hard at doing 30mph along roads i would normally be fine doing 40/50mph. An it seemed SO SLOW , like i was doing 10mph or something. Very odd sensation i must say.

[Carsick]

:winner: What ive been trying to say since i first posted about me getting caught again... but worded much better by yourself. The ENTIRE reason i ride fast, is cos it keeps me alert! If i ride at 60, im DANGEROUS as i fall asleep - my mind drifts and i lose concentration. At 90-100, im in my "comfort zone" and spot dangerous situations... the reason i didnt see the cops this time is cos they were hidden from everyones view.
That post makes me less inclined to believe you're safe on the road, but that's mostly a feeling.
If you really are such an adrenylin junkie that you can't concentrate unless you're forced to, then I have to be honest, I believe it's better that you won't be on the road for a while.

[swamp]

We all speed to some extent and I must admit to getting more concerned if the driver in front of me is doing bang on the limit or less when the roads are very quiet like late evening for example. I always wonder if they have been drinking or very nervous drivers to go that slow when conditions would allow for a slighly above legal limit that most of us would do.

I drive and ride to the conditions. If it is quiet and dry I will go a bit faster but when it is wet and heavy trafffic I tend to drive under the limit which annoys those people that only have 1 speed no matter the conditions. Those that do nearly 40 in a 30 no matter rain, sun, snow or time of day are the bad ones.

I would rather be in the company of a good driver / rider that speeds a little when safe than one that drives bang on the limit all the time and badly.

Too much emphasis on catching speeder and not on the quality of driving.

[lynw]

I vaguely saw the previous thread where you posted what happened. not being in the mood to post at the time I let it lie. But as Im better and back on and off I will say this.

Firstly, you have 9 points on your licence. And you still continued to ride like it was a right and not a privilege and you only care about it now youre facing losing it. Too late. You shouldve thought about it before and ridden accordingly. Personally, if I were on 9 points I wouldnt be pushing my luck.

Secondly, in your original thread you posted some comment about being fast and safe. Ok, you ride fast but clearly your observation isnt up to the task otherwise you wouldnt have been clocked speeding. Oh, and please do reiterate your list of accidents I recall you posting in one thread a while back. Then tell me how you can say youre fast and safe. [yes I know I probably have exceeded you and Northwind for the highest crashes but just pointing out your list and your always riding fast cant be unrelated tbh]

Thirdly, you have got away with shed loads this year. You got away lightly with the woman in the BMW. Even now, you arent being charged with failure to stop. So quit whinging, take responsibility and face up to the fact you have no-one else to blame but yourself. sorry but thats the truth of it.

yes theres a time and place for speeding and we all do it. but most on this forum wouldnt push their luck on 9 points or show such an irresponsible attitude and fail to stop or fail to take responsibility for their actions.

Personally I hope you get a good result even with me probably a bit harsh pointing out the above.

[Sid Squid]

I don't see what the problem is, a 'technicality' would, without a shadow of a thought of a question of a doubt, be used to secure a conviction, so where is the contradiction in using the same method to avoid a conviction?

Holier than thou is an unattractive position. This not pointed at anyone in particular, don't go getting narky about it.

Speeding: We all do it, whether we're honest enough to admit it is different thing entirely, and if GYKD says the situation was not unsuitable and thus not excessively risky, (everything is risky, I hope we all know this, I'm sure we do), then we have no choice but to either believe him in entirity or not at all, not choose which bits to take and criticise on that basis.

As to whether he's a knob or not, nothing written thus far tells us either way, so this may have been excessive.

I suggest a question: GYKD are you a knob?

(feel free to answer or not, depending on...whatever)

[Patch]

I
As to whether he's a knob or not, nothing written thus far tells us either way, so this may have been excessive.


Perhaps not in this thread but in his original it was, sorry if you are offended but trying to outrun the law pretty well makes the condom fit - so to speak.

[M.C.]

3 aug must be the day for speeding cases in court, my mate is there on that date for averaging 117 on his gixa (but that was on a empty m-way) got caught by a unmarked but that has took 4-5 months to come through.
hope it's not to bad for you GYKD

[Anonymous]

117 - yikes, that'll be a direct ban !

[Anonymous]

:| Why are you posting on Pepipoo that you were "Stitched up big time"? I've a good mind to refer people to this thread. All very well trying to get off on ProLaser technicalities but you ran away at high speed. They don't need a bloody laser.

No wonder we all get bad reputations - we all complain when justice isn't done with various cases, and I'm afraid on this occasion I think you should get what you deserve. Nobody has the right to do those sort of speeds on public roads, regardless of whether it's safe or not.

[Carsick]

Nobody has the right to do those sort of speeds on public roads, regardless of whether it's safe or not.
That's a little arbitrary.

[northwind]

I can see both sides of the argument. Mind you, I can always see both sides of the argument, because I'm an awkward *******. But if I were in that position- I doubt I would be, but if I were- I would use every means possible to get out of it without compromising myself, and if that failed, then I'd take it on the chin

There's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing about safety etc, but that's a huge jump to presume that GYKD compromised anyone's safety on that occasion. Personally I would say that anyone who's incapable of concentrating on the road at legal speeds has no place on it... And that the additional speed combined with other road-users intervention could very easily have made a "safe" speeding offence into a very dangerous one.

I can entirely believe that GYKD was totally safe within himself, and to suggest that a kiddy was about to step into the road is just daft, but we don't ride in a vacuum, and it's bad enough getting to and from at the best of times without doing it at considerably greater speeds. Cage drivers have enough trouble seeing you at 70... And if one pulls out on you when you're that committed and on the run from the rozzers, badness ensues.

But even so, you can't fault him for looking at ways out of a bad situation... Personally I'm less impressed with people who weren't there telling him he must have been dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Nobody has the right to do those sort of speeds on public roads, regardless of whether it's safe or not.
That's a little arbitrary.

But true. The law is there, it might be an ass, but if we break it so furiously we can only expect to be punished.

[lynw]

But even so, you can't fault him for looking at ways out of a bad situation...

but why was it a bad situation? because he has 9 points already and kept riding at speeds he knew would be a ban if he got caught again.

he knew this, he still did it yet for some reason he thinks he should now have some god given right to avoid the consequences of this or taking responsibility for his actions. :?

there is only one person responsible for this entire situation and the law will take a dim view on his behaviour. personally id accept the ban/fine and be grateful they werent throwing the book at me as they could have done.

[Patch]

But true. The law is there, it might be an ass, but if we break it so furiously we can only expect to be punished.

Of course that only applies to speeders though, dangerous drivers who kill other road users can get away with a caution, kids who burgal can get nice holidays abroad to help improve their attitudes and not forgetting that a government minister can steal an entire company from its shareholders, admit to lying to do so and walk around with impunity