View Full Version : Thinking bout handing over the reins
belfastbiker2003
07-08-05, 09:14 AM
Hi all,
Last night I was going to the girlfriends house and was sitting at some red lights. They are those sort of ones that have pressure pads below them that detect if a car is waiting to go or not - but dont pick up the weight of a bike. So I am sitting there for ages and there is nothing anywhere even close to going through so decide to just go on. So I get a couple of miles down the road and I see :plod: behind me and hear the siren so I pull over.
So they are doing me for jumping a red light - even after i explained why - they said fair enough but you still did it!!!
Also they said I accelerated away from the lights so hard that I "must have been speeding" - no actual evidence and I dont think I was above 70 for more than about 5secs before I relalised my speed and slowed to 70!!!
Also they said that the way I was riding was classed as "Dangerous Driving" - they said I was putting others in danger - how? - well I was sitting just to the left of the white lines so I could see past the car in front of me so I knew if I could overtake or not!!! And this apparently is putting oncoming traffic in danger even though I am not on their side of the road!!!
So I am being recommended for prosecution on dangerous driving, speeding, and whatever it is called when you go through a red light!!!!
Complete prats
They must have had a bad cup of tea or something. I mean I live in an area where (especially on a saturday night) there is more important things they could be doing and they stop me - with NO evidence - and decide I am a criminal.
So with this in mind I am thinking of just dumping the bike and walking everywhere or getting a Mountain bike - I have not long got my licence back so if I am prosecuted I will lose it again for sure - for probably 12 months. Pod said worse case scenario is jail!!!!!!!!!!! I could have hit him!!!!!
So like I said with this in mind i am thinking of giving up the bike and also as such I might hand the reins of moderator ship to someone else - if you are interested pm me!!
Cheers guys so listening
You sir have a very good case and could well defeat a court prosecution before it ever gets there, but you need to do a lot of home work before fighting.
First off you need to identify that there is indeed traffic sensors under the road, ask your council, next fid out what weight class of vehicle will be sufficient to change them. Provided that you can gather eveidence that a bike is not sufficient (you could do this by videoing the lights at night with your bike there) you should be able to argue that the lights were inoperative and therefore you were legitimate in your qpproach of treating it as a stop sign.
Next the speeding, now evidence
Next the dangerous driving, produce a copy of Roadcraft, the police motorcyclist handbook and highhlight the positioning section and then pose the question that if Roadcraft is dangerous riding then how come it is the foundation of Police skills
You have a lot of work to do but do this and plead not guilty, submitting a defense statement attesting all the evidence and you should have a good chance
Very best of luck fighting this (I agree with Patch's advice), they seem completely out of order and a good solicitor is the order of the day I think. Keep us informed.
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Anonymous
07-08-05, 09:48 AM
cant imagine you rolling over and taking this. you have only got your licence back, if you lose it again how you going to come over for next years irish scottish get together. fight boy :lol:
Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight
*ahem* Sorry, degenerated to the school yard there!
Follow Patch's advice, all very sound. Lot of work, but could very well be worth it - here's hoping things come good for you.
That is sickening and you can not allow them to get away with bullying people! Courts work on evidence not opinion and as such the speeding claim is truely ridiculous! As for the lights make sure you test those ones and other local 'faulty' lights! good luck, but you should not need it!
the fighting approach may work well on the mainland but in my experience (6 points so far, 3 for 35 in a 30!) northern ireland cops are absolute buggers.
As far as the speeding goes you cant be sure how long they were behind you and what seemed like a brief moment over 70 could easily have been a min or two.
What i would contest is the traffic light issue and the dangerous driving claim. Seems to me the dangerous driving claim is run of the mill with the speeding claim.
There are lights with pressure pads in lisburn and as i work nightshift my bike will never make those lights change early in the morning when im the only one on the road, i end up stopping at the lights, getting off the bike and hitting the button to cross as if im a pedestrian then when the green man disappears my light goes green, now hows that for dangerous driving!
Good luck steve m8.
sorry to hear bout that , those bloody cops round there are a bunch of cheeky ole d'heads.. They know how to avoid trouble from drunkards but can come down on easy targets like bikers...won't even start on the wee R plate corsa boys... make me mad they do... As for the traffic light sensors, i've seen a ferry load of bikers coming from the IoM TT goin through lights in Belfast cos the sensors wouldn't work.
All the best anyway, fight it out.
SVTONYB
23-03-06, 01:13 AM
Sorry to hear mate instead of giving up the bike give up the Island and move over here :wink:
Seriously though it doesnt matter if there is a pad or not if you wait say 5 mins and the lights dont change then you can treat it as a stop sign.
Re speeding how can they tell your speed if you were accelerating away from them did they film you.
Dangerous driving...... ******** you were taking up a position to overtake.
Did they give you a ticket or charge you or were they taking the ****....phone the local office and get them to check to see if a crime report has been raised.
busasean
28-03-06, 08:25 PM
i got caught a few years ago doing 75 in a 60 on the A1 nr Banbridge and got a £680 fine for my trouble. i was spoken to like a piece of **** as well! the RUC /PSNI traffic police are absolute scum. i would rather live next door to fred west than them! tossers the lot of them
Michael S
30-03-06, 12:47 PM
Sorry to hear about that - typical of some of the plod, bad name to the ones who just want to lift the cash at the end of a month!
Good luck in court - if it goes that far.
belfastbiker2003
05-04-06, 05:12 PM
Hi Guys - Sorry it has been so long - just couldnt be arsed with bike stuff to be honest!!!
But anyway thought I should inform of you what happened with this.
Well today (5th April) I was in court and the result - they had been trying to do me for a total of 8 offences - they dropped 2 off them and went all out on the others so the total damage?
TWO YEAR BAN and £1200 fine - total shower of */~@'#*%^$£"'s
So anyone want to buy a very cheap sv - needs a good service and new clutch - £500!!!!
Just so ****ed off with it all at the mo!!
Steve
Hi Guys - Sorry it has been so long - just couldnt be arsed with bike stuff to be honest!!!
But anyway thought I should inform of you what happened with this.
Well today (5th April) I was in court and the result - they had been trying to do me for a total of 8 offences - they dropped 2 off them and went all out on the others so the total damage?
TWO YEAR BAN and £1200 fine - total shower of */~@'#*%^$£"'s
So anyone want to buy a very cheap sv - needs a good service and new clutch - £500!!!!
Just so p*ssed off with it all at the mo!!
Steve
£500? Seriously? How much does a new clutch cost?
Year and condition?
irl_dar
05-04-06, 09:26 PM
bollox steve!!!!
sorry to hear that!!! :cry:
****ing ****s they are!!! :evil:
500pound?i could get you more for it than that mate
TWO YEAR BAN and £1200 fine - total shower of */~@'#*%^$£"'s
Sorry to hear that Steve.
belfastbiker2003
07-04-06, 05:36 PM
The bike needs a good bit of work done to it - prob cause I am a lazy git!!! The clutch went so not sure if it is a cable or the clutch unit itself. It has been a very good bike to me but if I am really honest would need a good service!!!!
£500 is what I would want minimum so if someon you know dar would pay more then ask them for a grand and see what happens!!! lol!!! It is currently sitting at a mates house (cause thats where the clutch went) but I could get it back to mine - it would need picked up from my house on a trailor or in a big van!!!
Oh and its the late 2000 model! - It also needs MOT!! I didnt bother getting it sorted cause I knew I would be off the road!!!
irl_dar
07-04-06, 07:32 PM
yeah mate ill try my best for you,
People will turn it into a race bike! ill start posting on all the websites!
Cheers
Dar
WicklowSV
07-04-06, 11:29 PM
Man, that sucks!! Real sorry to hear that Steve :( I'll put the word out about the bike as well - you'll defo get more than 500 quid for it.
Take it easy my friend - and hold the chin up as best you can...
belfastbiker2003
08-04-06, 12:50 AM
Cheers guys - think my little £500 outburst was cause I simply didnt give a monkeys and just wanted rid of it - ideally I would want £1000 for it - to go to paying the fine!!! If anyone fancies it let me know!!!
SVTONYB
08-04-06, 11:00 AM
Hi Guys - Sorry it has been so long - just couldnt be arsed with bike stuff to be honest!!!
But anyway thought I should inform of you what happened with this.
Well today (5th April) I was in court and the result - they had been trying to do me for a total of 8 offences - they dropped 2 off them and went all out on the others so the total damage?
TWO YEAR BAN and £1200 fine - total shower of */~@'#*%^$£"'s
Steve
Sorry to hear about your troubles mate :(
Is the ban going to affect your work(forgotten what you do for a living :oops: ) hope not.
Hey Steve, looks like ya were really hard done by.
I hope it doesnt put ya off bikes for good.
Alan
belfastbiker2003
17-04-06, 08:12 PM
A new member on hear - limavady - placed a post here stating what was written in the papers about my case - i Have nothing to hide but the sheer vulgarity of his post forced me to delete it. I Have put some of what he said below here and replied to what he has said but I have had to edit a good bit of what he said!! My replies are in caps.
Hey belfastbiker, I really felt sorry for you until I saw a report of the case in the chronicle newspaper ! It wasn't quite as you said, was it ? ACTUALLY IT WAS AS I SAID - THE PAPERS ONLY SAY A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT.
clocked passing a police car at 94 mph. THIS WAS REPORTED TOTALLY WRONG - THIS NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED - I WAS AHEAD OF THE POLICE CAR ACCELERATING WHILE PREPARING TO OVERTAKE failing to stop at a red light, I STAND BY WHAT I SAID continuing to drive at 90 mph, WHILE OVERTAKING overtaking six cars while oncoming cars were approaching, THE ONCOMING CARS WERE ABOUT 1/4 MILE UP THE ROAD AND THERE WAS NO DANGER TO ANY OTHER ROAD USERS - I'M NOT AN IDIOT tried to stop you with blue lights and sirens, I DIDNT HEAR THEM AT FIRST CAUSE I HAD EAR PLUGS IN - THEY ACCEPTED THIS AT THE SCENE BUT CHANGED THEIR MIND FOR COURT continued to drive at speed clocked at 106 mph. THEY ASSUMED THIS IN THEIR STATEMENTS AS I PULLED AWAY FROM THEM.
IT SAYS IN THE PAPER I ADMITTED EVERYTHING TOTALLY AND SAID I DONT NORMALLY DRIVE LIKE THAT AND IT WAS SHEER STUPIDITY - I DID SAY I DONT NORMALLY DRIVE LIKE BUT I WAS STATING THAT I DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT AND THEY ARE WRONG IN WHAT THEY SAY - PAPERS SAYING WHAT SOUNDS GOOD TO SUIT THEMSELVES.
2 year ban and £400 for dangerous driving.
£150 for failing to stop
£50 for no licence - AS I HAVE EXPLAINED TO OTHERS FROM THE SITE - I SIMPLY COULDNT PRODUCE MY LICENCE AS I HAD LOST IT AND WAS WAITING ON A REPLACEMENT - DIDNT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE AS I WAS BEING DONE FOR THE OTHER THINGS - WHY DO YOU THINK I ONLY GOT A £50 FINE FOR IT?
£250 for no insurance - AGAIN AN ERROR ON THEIR PART - I HAD INSURANCE BUT BECAUSE I HADNT PRODUCED IT ON THE SPOT AND THEY NEGLECTED TO PUT IT ON THE WEE SHEET FOR A PRODUCTION WITHIN 7 DAYS I GOT DONE FOR IT.
£250 for speeding
Its a******s like you with no license and insurance that get the rest of us a bad name.
What a d******d !!
What a liar !!
You don't deserve to ever get back on the road again. Try telling the family of someone killed by a dangerous driver that you don't normally drive like that, and where would the money to compensate them come from..... From the rest of us who pay for insurance !!!!!!
IN THE FUTURE I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE FULL FACTS BEFORE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS LIKE YOU LIMAVADYSVBOY
LIKE I SAID I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND WILL FORWARD A COPY OF THIS POST TO THE SITE ADMIN AND WILL ABIDE BY THEIR DECISION IF THEY DEEM I SHOULDNT BE A MODERATOR
TY
STEVE
limavadysvboy
17-04-06, 08:20 PM
So the police got it all wrong, sorry but you cannot be found guilty on assumption !!!!!
You can delete posts all you want, but the fact remains you were found guilty on all charges.
Not producing a license or insurance results in a charge of failure to produce, not NO license or NO insurance.
Free the belfastbiker 1
limavadysvboy
17-04-06, 08:22 PM
also there was no undue vulgarity and you edited just what you wanted to highlight for your own purpose
belfastbiker2003
17-04-06, 09:28 PM
I realised after I deleted the post I should have left it and as such I have forwarded the matter to admin and am now locking this thread as I know the reasons behind your anger and who you are. It ends here. Personal problems should be dealt with OFF the forum not in public like this. especially if you are only doing it to undermine me.
All other topics created with relation to this will also be locked until admin make their decision.
Feel free to PM me for further discussion if you like.
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