Is Fogarty talking crap?

[wheelnut]

WTF does he think he is? he is a has been racer who can only slag the rest of the field.

Foggy will never win another serious race in his lifetime so what gives him the authority to slag off some of the best we have to offer?

I mean the latest MCN crap, there is no mention of up and coming British riders from the lower series, Virgin Yamaha R6, GP 125 and British Supersport 600.

He needs to look back and remember where he came from.

If Petronas do decide to sponsor another rider or team Fogarty will be on his ****.

You dont hear Parish, Mamola or the late Bazza slagging everyone off.

Lavilla won the BSB because he was the best rider, I think if he had rode for Foggy Petronas and won something he wouldnt have been slagged off so much, He has learnt the tracks and ways of BSB in a year and taken the championship

[21QUEST]

WTF does he think he is?

I don't know who he thinks he is but I can tell you what I think of him.

The guy is an Ass Clown. Yep he was a good rider but when he goes on about his four championships , he should not forgot that he was riding the best bike out there helped largely by the fact that the rules favoured the Ducati

I wish he would shut the feck up and just run the Petronas team or gracefully be the retired racer he is. Somehow I doubt it as he seems to enjoy being the moron.

Cheers
Ben

[Fruity]

Is Fogarty talking crap?

Everything that comes out of that blokes gob is crap. :evil:

[kwak zzr]

err yes he is AGAIN! i did have a little respect for foggy when he started up the FP racing team watching the FP1 being built and all that but as soon as he opens his mouth **** falls out of it!
i am a big corser fan but when foggy started slagging him off that was the final straw, corser is THE best rider he has had in his team since he started, and this MOTO GP thing WELL :roll:

[chutz]

Foggy always talks out of his ****. Always will. 8)

[tomjones2]

i might be wrong but didn't he say that he could beat rossi

i know who my money would be on

[kwak zzr]

yea but i think the contest was talking ******** not racing! :D

[PeterM]

Foggy talking crap? ...................... Is this a rhetorical question??

[Mariner]

You dont hear Parish, Mamola or the late Bazza slagging everyone off.




What Barry Sheene never slag anybody off.......................... :roll:

And the other two whilst very good racers and thoroughly nice fellas won bugger all!

Foggy is a winner, that gives him the right to judge others! And to be perfectly honest what he said in last weeks MCN wasn't too far off the mark.

[Captain Nemo]

always

[Peter Henry]

Notice the North/South divide here anyone? Foggy is a solid Northern guy who is a winner. Plus he talks straight and is totally entitled to his own opinion.Whether any of us agree with him matters little to that nice cheque from MCN thankyou very much!

As already stated he was a winner no matter how you might try to belittle his achievements....the best bike with a crap rider never won anything!

Obviously some of you have never listened to Bazza when on the Aussie TV? He was never one to pull punches and always talked straight no concern for who it might p*ss off. 8)

[Jelster]

He may "have" been a winner, and I appreciate that folk in the North have a reputation for being outspoken (they are no worse than people from anywhere else IMHO) but he is an arrogant and rude individual who should, at times, keep his gob shut in public.

His "Foggy" race team has won sweet FA and until he can get the backing of some decent sponsors to provide him with some decent engines he's not going to either. And if he is "oh so brilliant" it should be easy for him to whip up said sponsorship. Maybe he should realise that by being the loud mouthed self opinionated ass that he is may be the reason he doesn't get such sponsorship...

Just my opinion of course, but as you say Pete, we're all allowed one :wink:

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[The Basket]

Foggy?Charming fellow.
Lavilla did race the Kwak ZX-7RR in Foggy's era in WSB...didn't do much if i recall but the Kwak was hardly the best.

Sheene won the premier class twice and Foggy didn't.

Sheene won on tracks that were deathtraps and a bike that was no better.

[Peter Henry]

The Basket...

Cant fully agree with you mate. Bazza won on what proved to be the best factory bike of the time, a death trap by no means. Ok so one seized on him at Daytona but that was an exception. The tracks he rode on were the safest available at the time although I concur that the level of safety lagged way behind what they have now.

Somewhere Foggarty did ride and damn well...was the Isle of Man....Bazza would not have ridden there for a King's ransom mate...he admitted it himself...he often cited his asthma and old injuries being made worse by the damp climate...but love him as I did...that was ballox.

yes Bazza won the 500cc class and was brilliant...but Foggarty won his WSB titles in a very strongly contested era.

Not even Carl's mother would go as far as to call him "charming"!

Jelster...With the Petronas treasure chest behind him do you really think there is such a desperation for a sponsor to be found? 8)

[kwak zzr]

the contract foggy had with petronas was 10mill i think, one of the largest in the paddock according to MCN.

[The Basket]

The RG is a deathtrap by modern standards...The tyres wouldn't do justice on a chinese 125.

Sheene wouldn't ride the tt because it is too dangerous...can't argue there..

The tracks were awful...armco even on corners...run off was non-existant...

I would never crit Foggy as a rider...only as a person...

[Sid Squid]

I have a certain sympathy with both sides of the argument: Is Fogarsy a knobber or what?

Some facts to be remembered though:

He won four Superbike World Championships, and the World F1 championship twice, and the FIM F1 World Championship, was World Endurance Champion with Terry Rymer, won at the Island a number of times and set a fastest lap that stood for a while, and raced with some success on the roads in Ireland. He is, (was?) in short, a stupendously talented rider, I cannot possibly understand how anyone could deny this.

He is clearly a somewhat outspoken man, I can sort of understand a certain self possedness, he's more than adequately demonstrated that he knows how this bike racing thing is done and thus a certain respect for his opinion on matters motorcycling is not unreasonable. It is a shame that he seems unwilling to regard anyone else's opinions and capabilities with a similar attitude, and thus it's not altogether surprising that he upsets as many people as he does.

However having read his book, and seeing as he saw fit to publish a book about himself that actually makes him seem a somewhat less than pleasant character, presumably I doubt that he much cares what the world in general thinks of him. FWIW I don't see this as any 'Northern' attitude about him, he's not being 'straight' he's just being rude by not considering the impact of his words. His arrogance is apparent when he has made some of his dafter comments.

[Jelster]

I would never crit Foggy as a rider...only as a person...

I have no problem with him as a rider, just as a human being. It's obvious that money talks, how else could somebody that ugly have a Mrs who looks that good 8)

And if the team has got all that financial backing, how come they can't produce a competitive bike ? It's not the riders, FP have had some cracking racers out there on the track, but the bike just doesn't challenge the big boys... Shame as it's British (well sort of).

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[Mariner]

And if the team has got all that financial backing, how come they can't produce a competitive bike ? It's not the riders, FP have had some cracking racers out there on the track, but the bike just doesn't challenge the big boys... Shame as it's British (well sort of).

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900cc and 3 cylinders! As a compromise between a full blooded twin and a restricted 4 it was never going to work.

[The Basket]

I am northern...And proud.
English by birth and Lancashire by God :wink:

[Sid Squid]

I am northern...And proud.
English by birth and Lancashire by God :wink:

Good for you :thumbsup:

You'll be kind enough, I hope, to tell us what that's got to do with anything.

[kwak zzr]

the engine thing :roll: well :roll: he needs to start again. :( nice try tho, from a new bike.

[Peter Henry]

Jelster wrote:

how come they can't produce a competitive bike ?

Steve I think we might be forgetting that Foggy Petronas actually started absolutely from scratch? A winning or even very competitive bike is very hard to produce in what is a relatively short time?

Ignore the fact that Carl is asociated with them..I think it is extremely healthy for the bike world for a new name to be trying to make inroads in to the market of the established factories.

I mean if we jump over to Moto GP.....just look what Suzuki have delivered there up to now and with all of their knowledge,experience and cash? :?

The Basket..Do you really think tyres and track conditions were any better when Mike Hailwood and Giacomo Agostini were performing their amazing records? Not to mention when George Formby was blatting around the Island! :lol:

[kwak zzr]

have you seen the DVD (against all odds) it does show how difficult the whole fp1 project was.

[Jelster]

My point is that with a massive budget you can jump the queue (Look at Chelsea - different sport but same idea - just use the cash to buy better performance).

Also, I think the FP team would have more "supporters" if Foggy wasn't such an arogant :toss:, IMPO......

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[The Basket]

Fogarty is ok rider but not nice.
I'm not sure what Hailwood and Ago has to do with anything. apart from noting some riders better than foggy.
I say I'm northern because someone mentioned a thing against Foggy because of the north/south divide.

I don't know why anyone would stick up for Foggy...as a rider ok but as a person he ain't.

[Peter Henry]

The Basket wrote:
I'm not sure what Hailwood and Ago has to do with anything.

I will explain....You have harped on about Barry Sheene's performance on what you suggest was a dangerous bike, deadly tracks and tyres that just dont hack it. Well you can only say that in comparison with improved equipment etc and with the benefit of hindsight. In truth any top rider gets the best out of whatever is made available at any time, we cannot do anything about progress. Yet in his day Bazza was using the best equipment available and track safety was far better than earlier years. Therefore I cannot accept your suggestion that his achievements were more valuable than those of Foggy's.

For the record....thus far(and even if their records are eventually broken) Hailwood and Ago stand as the top two riders of all time in motorcycle racing. Ok some would argue that they had the benefit of top factory bikes.....but you still have to get on them and win races.

Foggy I love him cos I know he talks a lot of crap and this at times as suggested is rather ill advised and lacking in diplomacy but he does dare to be different.

BTW I think he won over Michaela with his spooky eyes! :wink:

[Sid Squid]

I say I'm northern because someone mentioned a thing against Foggy because of the north/south divide.

Hmmm...take another look.

PH, (ex-pat Northerner), said that he wondered if the antipathy to Fogarty could be attributed to a North/South divide*, the other mention was Jelster saying he didn't condsider Northerners to be more outspoken:

...I appreciate that folk in the North have a reputation for being outspoken (they are no worse than people from anywhere else IMHO)...

Which end of the country has an interest in this? Subject broached by an Arms Length Northerner.

You seem a little defensive...

*He's wrong of course, but He's getting used to that I'm sure. :lol:

[The Basket]

Foggy as a racer had a good record. If you look who he raced against, they are big players now...Troy Corser, Colin Edwards and Gregorio Lavilla...and he beat 'em. 8)

He is still the last great UK top rider and no one I see will take that off him.
Fair play to build a bike and race with it...doesn't matter if it goes pair shaped...better than typing @rse to a chat forum :wink:

There are many good sportsman out there with impressive records who you will never invite round for tea...Doesn't mean they were bad sportsman though.

Barry Sheene still holds the fastest average top speed for a lap around a circuit during a race...if memory serves it's 143mph around Spa. It will never be beaten due to new safety rulings. Now that is worth a free pint or two. :lol:

[Peter Henry]

The Basket...But does that not answer your own question? How bad must the kit available to Bazza have been for him to achieve such a bench mark?

Bazza was ace and my hero in my teens and in many ways just like Rossi took the world of motorcycling to a newer and wider audience. :wink:

[The Basket]

Er...yes...I'm sure the RG was the best available but if you look at it today it's truly amazing that such things could be done. The tyres and brakes look like they have been taken off a bmx.

I can buy gear for my SV that is light years ahead of the stuff that Sheene used...The latest GSX-R1000 is probably better than Sheene's bike...You could win the GP's while still carrying your tax disc :D

You must also remember that Sheene was popular enough to move away from biking to other things. Advertising Brut and all that :D A household name. Foggy is still a niche biking thing.

Anyhoo, what is happening to Carlos Checa? Poor sod...rides the wheels off a motorcycle to the best of his ability and still gets the chop. I hope he gets a decent ride.

[Peter Henry]

The Basket....Carlos did test on the Camel Honda although binned it after about half a dozen laps. He is caught up with politics I am afraid.He does bring a lot of sponsorship with him but not sure if he is the way forward for any team.
Dont get me wrong,when on form he is still a hot rider,but not likely to deliver any great results consistantly. He is also a very likeable guy too. :wink:

[fizzwheel]

He does talk a lot of rubbish, however how much of that article in MCN was edited that way to make him sound like that ? We all know what MCN is like....

He is also opinionated and arrogant IMHO, but again thats who he is and thats IMHO what made him a winner.

Hes certainly a character and I think thats what motorsport needs, more foggy's and Rossi's and more Bazza's ( RIP ) more being honest and less PR speak.

On an aside, somebody said about Sheenes RG seizing at Daytona, I am sure I watched a program where the reconstructed that accident and proved that it was caused by the rear tyre delaminating due to the stress caused by the speed on the banking, you can see the tyre coming apart in the slow mo pictures, and that the tyre delaminated and went out of shape and locked the back wheel up by jaming up against the rear swing arm. I might be wrong of course

[kwak zzr]

i think your right, MICK DOOHAN is the quiet type and very well spoken and he's just blended into the background of the honda garage no one really talks about him anymore and he was unbeatable at one time.

[BURNER]

Foggy talks ****e, he is however a damn fine bike rider and I for one would gladly shag his missus :wink:

[kwak zzr]

:thumbsup:

[The Basket]

Checa...ended his GP career on a high at least. Oulton park next :wink:
Biaggi....ohhhhh dear.
Odd that Gibernau gets his rewards yet has a terrible season....If he wins a carrot on the new Duke, I'll eat my lunch.
Such is life.

[Peter Henry]

The Basket.....catastrophic as his season was as far as race results go there were a lot of plusses for him.Let's not forget that his bike has never been a full spec factory bike and has consistantly shown the HRC boys how to go fast on one. Honda have have used his devlopment input which they have accepted has been of great value.
However when Sete sat down with Mr.HRC and requested a full spec bike for 2006 this was refused! it would appear they dont want to see a satellit team beating their own main riders yet again,2004?) As the offer was not forthcoming,Sete had obviously already been talking to Ducati and later that day flew to Bologna for meetings!
Sete will not win the championship next year but he will I think be in the top 5 which will be the tightest grouping for some time.

I think if Checa had not got injured early in the season,he would have delivered even more for Ducati this year. That and his average form early on meant they were never going to retain him. He can still gather points in Moto GP but he's not really a winner.

Max Biaggi at the moment seems to be a case of "you reap what you sew" he has been very disrespectfull to Honda and we must not forget that they have a very traditional view with regards to manners and protocol. I love Max's tidy riding style but again he has had long enough on RCV's to deliver and simply hasn't. the end of a great career though?

The biggest concern for me is the situation regarding Rossi and the battle created over the Gauloise sponsorship...this is still rolling and appears to be fuelled by him having nothing but his own interests in mind. I dont like this situation at all. Beginning to get a little too big for his boots? :?

[Biker Biggles]

It is possible that Rossi is thinking about getting out of Moto GP and bust ups over sponsors would be a pretext for his long trumpeded move to F1.
That's my conspiracy theory for today. 8)

[The Basket]

Don't think so...Rossi is oh so powerful and can do what he wants when he wants.

No point having power without a few swings of the sword.

Anyhoo I think the change to 800cc is stupid and pointless. The best way to reduce power would be a very limited Fuel Tank. Cheap too...no new engines. I'm sure an 800cc bike can go just as fast.

[21QUEST]

Don't care who gets what :lol: provided James Ellison gets that Ducati seat [-o< :) .

Cheers
Ben

[Peter Henry]

Ben...I think James is looking good thus far for the Ducati ride. I would really love to see him on one as they are going to be a lot more competitive next season. Not top 5 finishes but definitely top 10 with the right rider. 8)