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Eggspit
22-11-05, 05:12 PM
Hi,
What’s the usual procedure should one get caught accidentally going throught a red light (London) ..?
I'm guessing some form of fine, are the any points involved ..?
Egg.
hall13uk
22-11-05, 05:18 PM
3points & a fine of £60, i am pretty certian on that.
Yep. a TS10 I believe. Failure to obey traffic signal. Not a nice thing to tell your insurance company.
Dan
SVeeedy Gonzales
22-11-05, 09:20 PM
Hi,
What’s the usual procedure should one get caught accidentally going throught a red light (London) ..?
I'm guessing some form of fine, are the any points involved ..?
Egg.
One always gets caught *accidentally*, sir.
Could try an argue it if there was a vaild reason... only they don't seem to think anything is a valid reason, even impending death.
They aren't interested in reasons. Only the 60 quid
Anonymous
22-11-05, 11:36 PM
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30. If you get a couple then they are. In fact there have been cases where a driver with one of these convictions has recieved a lower insurance quote with similar circumstances than a driver with no convictions. :roll:
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30.
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have mentioned this to my insurance company who charged an extra £550 for a SP30.
Anonymous
23-11-05, 10:13 AM
Sounds like you got ripped off. If it was recent, I believe you can dispute it.
Sounds like you got ripped off. If it was recent, I believe you can dispute it.
Whats there to dispute? When it was time for renewal and doing the usual ring round to many companies, they all came back roughly the same.
diamond
23-11-05, 10:18 AM
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30. If you get a couple then they are. In fact there have been cases where a driver with one of these convictions has recieved a lower insurance quote with similar circumstances than a driver with no convictions. :roll:
My SP30 makes no difference to my bike or car quotes, i did them both on line and for curiosity got a quote for me with and with out my points and there was no difference.
Anonymous
23-11-05, 10:23 AM
Sounds like you got ripped off. If it was recent, I believe you can dispute it.
Whats there to dispute? When it was time for renewal and doing the usual ring round to many companies, they all came back roughly the same.
Very strange that they all charge so much extra, that is testament to robbery.
You must either have a very high insurance group car or one with a horrendous history of theft or serious incidents (or both!)
diamond
23-11-05, 10:27 AM
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30.
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have mentioned this to my insurance company who charged an extra £550 for a SP30.
An extra £550 :shock:
How much is your insurance?
I've not had my licence a year, brand new bike, got points, had accidents, don't garage it, no NCB and mines half that fully comp.
You must either have a very high insurance group car
This I do have. When I rung up to let them know I had received the SP30 the guy on the other end of the phone was laughing as he told me my premium would be affected when I next needed to renew.
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30.
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have mentioned this to my insurance company who charged an extra £550 for a SP30.
An extra £550 :shock:
How much is your insurance?
I've not had my licence a year, brand new bike, got points, had accidents, don't garage it, no NCB and mines half that fully comp.
I'm talking about my car which was about £1,200 to insure and its a group 20 hence why its so much.
My bike insurance was £251 and thats TPFT, parked on the road, no security, no NCB, not had my licence a year and 3 points, which I thought was ok.
diamond
23-11-05, 10:31 AM
Insurance companies aren't bothered about one TS10 or one SP30.
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have mentioned this to my insurance company who charged an extra £550 for a SP30.
An extra £550 :shock:
How much is your insurance?
I've not had my licence a year, brand new bike, got points, had accidents, don't garage it, no NCB and mines half that fully comp.
I'm talking about my car which was about £1,200 to insure and its a group 20 hence why its so much.
My bike insurance was £251 and thats TPFT, parked on the road, no security, no NCB, not had my licence a year and 3 points, which I thought was ok.
My car insurance didn't change either when i got points
I think its down to a combination of factors and different insurance companies which is why its always a good idea to ring around. Some insurance companies don't care about one offence whilst others do. Some companies don't like insuring high insurance group cars, others don't like young drivers. *Shrug*
I have a group 20 sportscar and 3 points so I have expensive insurance.
I think the only way it could be a worse combination is if I was in my early 20s!
diamond
23-11-05, 10:39 AM
I'm currently driving a Golf GTI 16V so it's not a cheap car to insure but points didn't matter.
But your right different insurance companies do look at things differently. Some like to know what you do for a living whereas my bike insurer never asked. Some want a 5 year clear driving record some say 3 years before you don't have to mention stuff. It all depends. I spend hours finding different quotes when it's time for renewal cos of this, after all nothing else to do at work. :D
I'm currently driving a g*lf GTI 16V so it's not a cheap car to insure but points didn't matter
Interestingly its cheaper to insure a 1.9 GTI than a 1.6 GTI :shock:
Worked in insurance for 14 years ish.
The majority of companies do not charge for one speeding however when a second SP30 is gained they will hit you for both, be warned.
Sp30's like the majority of all motoring convictions carry a 5 year rehabilitation period thanks to the Act 1974, purely due to the fine aspect of the charge. 5 years is a long time to go without a second speeding offence, youv'e been warned. :wink:
KATE - Your car is a group 20 but is probably also a suffix vehicle or 'termed' vehicle. This basically means there are additional conditions on your policy due to the car, one of the rules may result in ANY SP30 costing you extra.
This would explain maybe why you are getting charged extra but others aren't.
HTH
Pingu
Eggspit
23-11-05, 10:48 AM
Bugger..,
Already a proud owner of three points (speeding on bike),
Received a letter this morning, confirming the offence and asking who was driving the car... (my pen pal visiting from Zimbabwe who has now flown back and I have no forwarding address... officer)
In my defence, I had driven (car) over the line whilst the lights were on green (so slightly past the set of lights) and was sitting behind another car who was waiting for a space from oncoming traffic to turn right. I’m guessing the ‘space’ came when the lights had turned red and I unknowingly continued straight over the crossroads once the car had turned. Also (I shall go back to the road to check), but the only set of traffic lights facing my direction were the ones I had already past (no lights the other side of the crossroads)..!
Gulp.!
Anonymous
23-11-05, 10:55 AM
When Idris Francis takes his case to the ECOHR hopefully the requirement to disclose who was driving will be removed - the only offence in the UK that is effectively "Guilty until proven guilty"
SVeeedy Gonzales
23-11-05, 12:21 PM
Bugger..,
Already a proud owner of three points (speeding on bike),
Received a letter this morning, confirming the offence and asking who was driving the car... (my pen pal visiting from Zimbabwe who has now flown back and I have no forwarding address... officer)
In my defence, I had driven (car) over the line whilst the lights were on green (so slightly past the set of lights) and was sitting behind another car who was waiting for a space from oncoming traffic to turn right. I’m guessing the ‘space’ came when the lights had turned red and I unknowingly continued straight over the crossroads once the car had turned. Also (I shall go back to the road to check), but the only set of traffic lights facing my direction were the ones I had already past (no lights the other side of the crossroads)..!
Gulp.!
Then I'm not sure how they can do you - you didn't ignore the traffic sign, you'd already passed it. Was there a box junction? If there was and you were caught in it, then it'll be hard to fight as you're meant to not enter it unless your exit is clear... but if there's no box junction and you'd already passed the lights before they changed, I can't see a court busting you... only problem will be getting them to believe that's really what happened, and that you didn't jump the light.
Eggspit
23-11-05, 01:05 PM
Not sure about the yellow box situation, will go back and check before making my appeal.. !
Let you know how it goes..
They aren't interested in reasons. Only the 60 quid
I tend to disagree in the case of jumping or missing a red traffic light. I see it has far more important to prosecute than a humble SP30, as jumping the traffic light is far more likely to cause a crash, accident, or injury.
I would also be surprised if an insurance company dealt with these in the same way as your first SP30, for exactly the same reason. But hey, we know not to expect the logical from these guys right?
An advertising campaign on London Buses earlier this year, clearly stated "jumping red lights causes accidents"... ironically it's the buses that are doing most of the jumping. However, the statement is fact incarnate... go where you're not expected to go, and you're going to hit something.
Intentional or not - you unarguably should have been paying more attention. Expect 3 pionts, £60 fine, and little or no chance of getting off... there are no calibration loop holes like a speed camera. The images will show you moving through a red light - undisputable.
In my defence, I had driven (car) over the line whilst the lights were on green (so slightly past the set of lights) and was sitting behind another car who was waiting for a space from oncoming traffic to turn right.
Okay, if you crossed the line when the light was green, you have no charge to answer to. The red light only applies, to those vehicles behind the line, not to those infront of it.
Obtain the photographs to see what you have to work with there. There should be two, or order to demonstrate that you were moving over the line when it was red - if you're right, they will not be able to show this.
creamerybutter
23-11-05, 01:27 PM
Was there a box junction? If there was and you were caught in it, then it'll be hard to fight as you're meant to not enter it unless your exit is clear
Unless you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming traffic.
Anonymous
23-11-05, 03:09 PM
Red light cameras are activated by piezo electric strips in the road just beyond the stop line. Two pictures are taken, one when you cross the line showing the status of the light (i.e red) and another to show you continued across the junction.
They will not activate if your entire vehicle is beyond the piezo strips when the light goes red.
There are few defences (even legitimate ones like a vehicle behind you tailgating and threatening a rear end collision) as the photo will inevitably show only your vehicle. :roll:
Steve W
23-11-05, 09:42 PM
[quote="Eggspit"]
Received a letter this morning, confirming the offence and asking who was driving the car... (my pen pal visiting from Zimbabwe who has now flown back and I have no forwarding address... officer)
'Interesting,sir, a pen pal with no forwarding address... ' :wink:
Anonymous
23-11-05, 10:35 PM
Not recommended. Someone tried it recently and got lumbered with an £11,000 bill and a charge of peverting the course of justice. :)
bobbydazzler
23-11-05, 11:02 PM
Bugger..,
Already a proud owner of three points (speeding on bike),
Received a letter this morning, confirming the offence and asking who was driving the car... (my pen pal visiting from Zimbabwe who has now flown back and I have no forwarding address... officer)
In my defence, I had driven (car) over the line whilst the lights were on green (so slightly past the set of lights) and was sitting behind another car who was waiting for a space from oncoming traffic to turn right. I’m guessing the ‘space’ came when the lights had turned red and I unknowingly continued straight over the crossroads once the car had turned. Also (I shall go back to the road to check), but the only set of traffic lights facing my direction were the ones I had already past (no lights the other side of the crossroads)..!
Gulp.!
ha.. i failed my test for not turning right after the lights had changed(i was waiting just over the white line). by the time the traffic cleared cars were coming from other directions so i didint go (kinda dangerous). apparently i was holding up traffic.
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