its over

[caines]

well looks like my biking days are over for a year, had my license taken away today for speeding :cry:

Goodnight vienna

[Nitzer]

well looks like my biking days are over for a year, had my license taken away today for speeding :cry:

Goodnight vienna

chin-up, a year passes really quickly :)

[Ceri JC]

Sorry to hear this Caines. Was it an accumulation of points or a one-off "over a ton" that did it? Hope the year goes quickly for you.

[jonboy]

Ah, bad luck old son. That can't be nice, could happen to a lot of us if we were honest and just luck that we're not in your position. Don't be a stranger ;).


.

[Smiffy]

Rats

[mac]

Please tell me its not for accumulation of points as i sent away my licence and 60 quid today for points 7, 8 and 9 and have the N.I.P here for points 10, 11 and 12.

My boss is going to rustle me up a letter explaining that i need to keep my licence for my job and i`m off to see a solicitor this week to get some advice ( i havent sent the second N.I.P back yet ).

Caught at 45 and then 46 in a 40 zone...............bugger it

[The Basket]

I have no points on my licence.

That is either because I'm too slow or they haven't caught me. 8)

[caines]

Does anyone notice the pointy SV is happiest at 46 mph in 3rd?? But yeah its for accumulation of points and exceeding 100mph, either way I would of been screwed. need to get rid of my bikes and car before I get the temptation to just ' nip to the shop '.

I posted on here the other week that I got caught by one of those LT20-20 things doing 66 in a 50, well I got caught again on the M4 doing 105mph, the ****ers were up on a bridge, I saw them at the last second jumped on the anchors but it was too late. I prayed I wouldnt get caught but hey I have.

When its that time of day on an empty motorway, I used to regularly sit at 100mph (Theres no point pretending its not me because im already banned). That is just the speed I was happy at on my bike, I couldnt do 70 mph and if anything the bike feels more stable to me at 100.

Top tip.....

If your on the motorway, always check the bridges! I just learnt that the hardway.

[The Basket]

The reason I bought the SV over more exotic machinery is because it is slow. And I ain't fast. No point buying 80bhp you are not going to use. Makes it less likely in getting pulled.

No point getting all moral and saying tut tut because I give it some welly when the mood takes. Just careful when and where.

[Drunk Mike]

I'm gonna be losing mine in a month or two, depending on how long these 3 tickets take to go through.

[Anonymous]

This is the trouble these things fly along so nicely at speed you get into some kind of 'zone' at funky speeds.

Best thing I've done so far is take off the screen and use a stupid peaked helmet, its now a right bugger* to ride at over the ton and takes a concerted effort to do so. :lol:

Having said that its still exceptionally easy to do 70 or so in one of those rural mystery-reason 40 limts, I'm sure that will be my downfall but at least its not an instant licence loser I suppose.


*has someone turned of the filter....****! :lol:

[Peter Henry]

Caines....Although I have sympathy with your predicament it does indicate that you have utilised no restraint despite already having a dangerously high number of points on your license? I would suggest that the U.K. motorway network is the most scrutinised and Policed of the entire road system? Therefore a higher possibility of being lifted? I mean 100mph on a regular basis? Come on mate? :?

I am not preaching but this just casts my mind back to when I was a a bit of a young tearaway on my Kawasaki 250.I managed in a very short space of time to accumulate 9 points...with grave misdemeanours such as not displaying "L" plate correctly.

But as I was far too close for comfort I from then tried to be a little more cautious as to when and where to play. Since then I have not received any further points or fines in a rather long biking/driving history.

And no I do not ride like a senior member of the BMW Owners Club! :)

[Cloggsy]

I take it the case is still pending then :?:

I hope you don't have to re-take your tests again :shock:

Good luck mate ;)

[Kate]

Thats a bugga mate :(

[hall13uk]

sorry to hear that fella.

[Halonic]

ahh well, soon as you know you'll be shopping for your new bike as your 2006 christmas present.

Just go to a load of BSB and Bemsee races with the extra cash you'll have. Maybe a few european WSB/MotoGP ones, or maybe even Phillip Island?

[Ping]

Caines....Although I have sympathy with your predicament it does indicate that you have utilised no restraint despite already having a dangerously high number of points on your license? I would suggest that the U.K. motorway network is the most scrutinised and Policed of the entire road system? Therefore a higher possibility of being lifted? I mean 100mph on a regular basis? Come on mate? :?

I'm betting he's already kicked himself over and over and over and then some with this in mind so let's rub a bit more salt in it, eh? :lol: :P

I hope the year goes quickly for you, dude.

[Cronos]

Bad luck mate. :(

It's more luck than judgement that's prevented the same thing happening to a lot of us.

[Fizzy Fish]

Bad luck mate. :(

It's more luck than judgement that's prevented the same thing happening to a lot of us.

ditto that

[dangerous bri]

bad luck.

were you caught by a copper or a camera ?

if it was a camera have you asked to see the signed and dated calibration certificate for that camera on that perticular day ?

have you checked the visibility for the camera in both directions

not sure what the distance is 150 yards ?

arn't cameras supposed to have a percetage leway of 10% plus 2 mph

in a 40 zone that's 4 mph plus 2 mph = 46 mph ?

if it was a copper holding a gun are there not issues with bikes giving errors in resadings ?

just a couple of points thou i doubt it makes any difference.

[Drunk Mike]

have you checked the visibility for the camera in both directions
not sure what the distance is 150 yards ?

Not required by law, only suggested in the guidelines for placement

arn't cameras supposed to have a percetage leway of 10% plus 2 mph

in a 40 zone that's 4 mph plus 2 mph = 46 mph ?
Myth. The cameras are officially completely accurate if calibrated, though that's commonly known to be utter ********. There is no requirement for any kind of leeway. If so desired, the point where they are activated can be set at 1mph over and they can and, as I've been semi-reliably informed, have prosecuted for this.

if it was a copper holding a gun are there not issues with bikes giving errors in resadings ?Yes, but you'd have to go to court with a good lawyer to use that one.

[RWR]

Bad luck m8
I bought an unfaired SV to try help keep my speed down as on dual carriage ways, motorways etc anything over 80 becomes uncomfortable after a while.

[Professor]

I posted on here the other week that I got caught by one of those LT20-20 things doing 66 in a 50, well I got caught again on the M4 doing 105mph, the f*ckers were up on a bridge, I saw them at the last second jumped on the anchors but it was too late. .

Bad luck. Sorry to hear of your misfortune, caines. :(

You don't happen to remember which part of the M4 it was, that is,
approximately at which junction?

[Professor]

Best thing I've done so far is take off the screen and use a stupid peaked helmet, its now a right bugger* to ride at over the ton and takes a concerted effort to do so. :lol:


Stupid headgear doesn't always help: my novelty ears don't cause
a problem at speed. And, as far as I recall, the accompanying instruction
said they should be ok for up to 160 mph.

[northwind]

Tough luck mate. Still, I'm pretty impressed by your attitude, no whining or crying like we sometimes see, no blaming "the system" or bloody speed cameras... Hope I do as well when I finally catch my long-overdue points.

[seedy100]

Aww Sh!T

There but for the grace of some hypothetical super being....

[caines]

It was near bristol heading towards swindon and it was a pair of coppers with an LTI20 - 20 up on a bridge looking down on the traffic and my last one in september was in bristol with an LTI20 20 aswell. They seem to be hot on it at the moment.

Im from london and I knew where every camera was, knew where the old bill would hide so I was fine there. Came up here for 3 months and ive been collared left right and centre and now im back on the bus!

When im doing 100 on the motorway my mind is looking for:

1. fixed cameras

2. Old bill in the sneaky lay bys

Call it inexperience but ive never seen them up on a bridge so it just didnt occur to me to look there in my constant checks, like someone said your ' in the zone ' and I just caught them in my peripheral vision when it was way to late.

In my defense there was no one around, I wasnt causing any danger in my opinion to anyone. Im just a guy on a bike who goes a little bit quicker than everyone else but my money says I do 20 mph faster than most but my mind is 200% more focused on whats going on around me.

Shame that counts for nothing!

8) Time to become a trackday king

[dangerous bri]

this is the passage i was refeering to.

http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm


ACPO Guidelines on speeding, and the UK law regarding prosecution.
Vehicle construction and use regulations require a vehicle speedometer accuracy to be in the range of -0->+10%. The implications are that it must never under-read - for obvious reasons - but may over-read. As the cost of manufacturing a speedometer with -0% error would be very costly they all over-read by a few percent without exception. Even if speed is measured correctly the display may not be accurate, so a speedometer error is allowed. Because of this, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) have an official formula for calculating a speeding offence. It allows a leeway of 10% plus 2mph. In reality, most speed traps are triggered at higher speeds than this because if they were set bang-on those guidelines, the sheer amount of paperwork generated would overrun the police speeding departments.

ACPO Manual bulletpoints.
If you see this little icon next to something it means that the information there is extremely relevant to you if you're about to go to court. It's information from the 1999 ACPO Enforcement Technology National Guidance Manual. When you go to court, this is one of the manuscripts that could be used for reference. I believe that if the authorities wish to give you a fair crack of the whip, then it is only fair that you are well informed about the procedures and guidelines they will be referring to.

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[Flamin_Squirrel]

Tough luck mate. Still, I'm pretty impressed by your attitude, no whining or crying like we sometimes see, no blaming "the system" or bloody speed cameras... Hope I do as well when I finally catch my long-overdue points.

Personaly I think that anyone 'caught' by a machine, especialy one that's more than likely completely inacurate has every reason to bitch :o

[creamerybutter]

Well if the cases are successful in the MCN you may be able to appeal because it would seem that none of the cameras on the road have been tested for accuracy on bikes.

There is one guy appealing because he was caught on one of those hand held devices but they aimed it at his shoulder when it is meant to be aimed at a flat surface like you number plate.

[Drunk Mike]

this is the passage i was refeering to.

http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm


ACPO Guidelines on speeding, and the UK law regarding prosecution.
Vehicle construction and use regulations require a vehicle speedometer accuracy to be in the range of -0->+10%. The implications are that it must never under-read - for obvious reasons - but may over-read. As the cost of manufacturing a speedometer with -0% error would be very costly they all over-read by a few percent without exception. Even if speed is measured correctly the display may not be accurate, so a speedometer error is allowed. Because of this, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) have an official formula for calculating a speeding offence. It allows a leeway of 10% plus 2mph. In reality, most speed traps are triggered at higher speeds than this because if they were set bang-on those guidelines, the sheer amount of paperwork generated would overrun the police speeding departments.

ACPO Manual bulletpoints.
If you see this little icon next to something it means that the information there is extremely relevant to you if you're about to go to court. It's information from the 1999 ACPO Enforcement Technology National Guidance Manual. When you go to court, this is one of the manuscripts that could be used for reference. I believe that if the authorities wish to give you a fair crack of the whip, then it is only fair that you are well informed about the procedures and guidelines they will be referring to.

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As that passage says, it's still a guideline, albeit an official one.
It talks of the speedo overreading, but never underreading. Surely that means if you follow your speedo, you will never be over the limit. If they can then prove that you were over the limit, logic says that you were doing it deliberately and if you weren't aware that your speedo was overreading, then you thought you were at a speed possibly higher than the one they caught you at.
I don't see how it overreading can possibly be used as a defense against a ticket.
That's how I think it would be viewed, anyway.

[Professor]

Thanks, caines, for clarifying the location. This is the bit of M4
where I travel from time to time, and I know how easy it is to get
carried away (even though I am not a fast rider). On a nice sunny day
it is almost impossible to keep the bike under a 100.

After riding on the M4 I always live in fear for the next few days expecting
a nasty letter in the post. You were just unlucky.

[Supervox]

Bad luck mate. :(

It's more luck than judgement that's prevented the same thing happening to a lot of us.

Sorry mate - gotta disagree with you on this one.

I've spent the last 4 years being a relatively ' boring' rider to go on a ride out with - purely due to the fact that I've been sitting with 9 points on my licence.

I knew what my points situation was - therefore I tempered my riding accordingly - the fact that I got through it with no more points was due to my judgement - not luck !!

[Professor]

I've spent the last 4 years being a relatively ' boring' rider to go on a ride out with - purely due to the fact that I've been sitting with 9 points on my licence.

I knew what my points situation was - therefore I tempered my riding accordingly - the fact that I got through it with no more points was due to my judgement - not luck !!

Don't the points disappear after 2 years?

[creamerybutter]

I though it was like 5 years.

[Supervox]

Don't the points disappear after 2 years?

Nope - its four years - I thought it was five until I checked the DVLA website.

It can be longer (can't remember exactly how long) if it's NOT a straight forward speeding matter.

[Professor]

It seems we really do live in a police state! I think it is a bit harsh to
have to carry these points for 4 years if they were imposed for a relatively
minor offence.

[jonboy]

Penalty points are valid for three years but still appear on your licence for four years.


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[Professor]

Penalty points are valid for three years but still appear on your licence for four years.


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Weird ... :? :? :? I guess people who wrote these rules wanted
to provide work for lawyers.

[northwind]

Tough luck mate. Still, I'm pretty impressed by your attitude, no whining or crying like we sometimes see, no blaming "the system" or bloody speed cameras... Hope I do as well when I finally catch my long-overdue points.

Personaly I think that anyone 'caught' by a machine, especialy one that's more than likely completely inacurate has every reason to bitch :o

"More than likely completely inaccurate"? Come on... Sure, they can be inaccurate, but try and back up the suggestion that more than half are completely inaccurate. Handheld radar guns can be inaccurate too- in fact, if I recall correctly they're considerably less accurate than fixed cameras.

[jonboy]

Penalty points are valid for three years but still appear on your licence for four years.


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Weird ... :? :? :? I guess people who wrote these rules wanted
to provide work for lawyers.

I think it more likely it's a sneaky way to allow the police to see if you've been a bad boy or not and whose judgement will then be coloured by this information rather than being completely objective.


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[busasean]

Caines....Although I have sympathy with your predicament it does indicate that you have utilised no restraint despite already having a dangerously high number of points on your license? I would suggest that the U.K. motorway network is the most scrutinised and Policed of the entire road system? Therefore a higher possibility of being lifted? I mean 100mph on a regular basis? Come on mate? :?


caines, how many people did you kill,maim, rape butcher,rob,bugger,vandalize or anything else whilst you were doing this???

NONE??? no, surely not!!!

the whole system is bollox, i personally dont see a problem with 100mph + if the weather, roads, and traffic are suitable. there are some "road safety groups who think that 70 mph is too fast and want it dropped to 50mph! my girlfriend has a 1969 morris minor which takes twice the distance as any of my bikes to stop. every time i take my sv out if the conditions allow i will do well over 70! just for info when i did my bikesafe day with the kent police they said speed doesnt kill, bad driving does!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Tough luck mate. Still, I'm pretty impressed by your attitude, no whining or crying like we sometimes see, no blaming "the system" or bloody speed cameras... Hope I do as well when I finally catch my long-overdue points.

Personaly I think that anyone 'caught' by a machine, especialy one that's more than likely completely inacurate has every reason to bitch :o

"More than likely completely inaccurate"? Come on... Sure, they can be inaccurate, but try and back up the suggestion that more than half are completely inaccurate. Handheld radar guns can be inaccurate too- in fact, if I recall correctly they're considerably less accurate than fixed cameras.

Hand held radar/laser guns being machines. And given they can't be trusted, they shouldn't be used at all.

[northwind]

Not what you said at all... Used right, they're extremely accurate... And what's your alternative? Coppers guessing how fast you're going?

[Jelster]

I think it more likely it's a sneaky way to allow the police to see if you've been a bad boy or not and whose judgement will then be coloured by this information rather than being completely objective.

That may be cynical but I have to say JB, you make a very good point.....

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[Sid Squid]

Not to mention that the insurance company will usually ask if you've had a nick in the last five years.

[Drunk Mike]

Not to mention that the insurance company will usually ask if you've had a nick in the last five years.
True.

[RWR]

SPEEDING its just a very politicaly correct subject and is only about making money.
All this Bol@~x about saftey is exactly that BOL@~X.
The reduction of speed limits that these do goody good numb nuts who are to scared to live in case they might die are nothing but interfering tossers.
That advert about speeding, if you hit a child at such a speed it dies then if you hit it at a slower speed it lives BUT WHAT THEY FAIL TO MENTION IS
IF YOU TEACH THE KID NOT TO RUN OUT IN FRONT OF A MOVING VEHICHLE YOU DON'T EVEN GET HURT.
Rant over :lol:

[Fizzy Fish]

Tough luck mate. Still, I'm pretty impressed by your attitude, no whining or crying like we sometimes see, no blaming "the system" or bloody speed cameras... Hope I do as well when I finally catch my long-overdue points.

Personaly I think that anyone 'caught' by a machine, especialy one that's more than likely completely inacurate has every reason to bitch :o

"More than likely completely inaccurate"? Come on... Sure, they can be inaccurate, but try and back up the suggestion that more than half are completely inaccurate. Handheld radar guns can be inaccurate too- in fact, if I recall correctly they're considerably less accurate than fixed cameras.

Hand held radar/laser guns being machines. And given they can't be trusted, they shouldn't be used at all.

I agree that you have the right to bitch if caught by inaccurate electronic equipment - but only if you know that you were in fact travelling within the speed limit. Otherwise it's just an excuse to get out of facing the music

BTW I'm not saying that I always agree with how/where speed limits are enforced, etc but I don't think it's fair to moan about the equipment if you were caught fair & square. Rather channel your energies towards getting govt to take a more sensible approach to speed enforcement

[Steve W]

On points and speeding I think it's really about your approach to risk and how important your licence is... As an ol' ar*e I'm relatively cautious and when I had points on my licence was more cautious partly cos (living in Yorkshire :wink:) I didn't want to pay for my insurance than I had to...

I'm very careful where I do 100MPH plus and limit it to places which I know well and generally reconnoitre them first. It would be very diffuclt foir me to get to work by public transport and given the times of rural used probably impossible to return home...

My view would be if you're caught speeding and you were speeding then you have to regard it as a fair cop... we know the rules of the game, even if some of them are very arbitrary. I do get a little p*ssed off when double white lines appear for no apparent reason and the arbitrary nature of some 30 and 40 MPH limits...

Speed doesn't kill but it does make the consequnces of an accident worse and it is much easier and cheaper to police than poor driving which does kill... No government is likely to increase police traffic patrols etc rather than cameras because of cost... Where I live there are plenty of good roads where you can ride fast both with minimal risk to anyone else and of getting caught for speeding.

What concerns me more is pollution, global warming and use of oil reserves and therefore giving attention to more efficient fuel use and the effects of high speed on this... I think I'm right in saying that when the national speed limit was originally introduced it was for fuel economy rather than road safety reasons but no doubt some other ol' a*se can correct me on this? We have certainly had at least one occasion since (1973??) when speed limits was lowered (70 to 60??) because of a fuel crisis.

[Balky001]

I'm sure there are times when +200mph could be deemed appropriate, but the speed limits have to cater for all drivers/vehicles/conditions so the lowest denominator is used. If people's judgement could be trusted then we wouldn't need any limits at all.

I'm sorry to hear you lost your license - especially for marginal pulls.