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Well a back protector has just gone on my list of things to buy!
peahead
01-06-08, 06:38 AM
that scar is from surgery, my arm was smashed basicly now i have massive plates in my arm, about 10 skrews a big metal pin and a load of wire in there too.
started my phsyotherapy a 2 weeks ago, all goin well, slowley gettin better. thanks for the support
tanis34
20-06-08, 10:14 PM
this is an american site with the same message
WARNING VERY GRAFFIC
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm
kirsteenshort
06-07-08, 12:17 PM
I couldnt agree more, I smashed my SV650 K5 into the side of an on-coming car when I ran wide going round a blind bend. Hit the car at 40mph, rolled off the back of it and landed in a ditch. I had my kit on, race leathers, boots, gloves etc and escaped with a badly broken hand and sweelings and bruising all down my right side. Wrote the bike off as it hit a lump of concrete and snapped the forks like matches. Smashed the front in pretty bad, the R&G crash protectors probably stopped my knee being wrecked but most importantly my leathers prevented me from breaking every bone on my right hand side....
Always wear your feckin' leathers!
kirsteenshort
06-07-08, 04:10 PM
:-) second life used, crashed me old sv when some idiot stopped in the middle of the road without reason or warning. Outbraked myself and went down at 60mph!!! Cracked my crash helmet, tore my boots, gloves and jacket apart. Ended up with minor head injuries and cracked ribs. SOOO lucky!!
Always put ya kit, it will save your life.
tanis34
05-08-08, 06:47 PM
good job this idiot wasn't going any faster lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Nu_vVvqyo&feature=related
ljm2008
12-08-08, 02:57 PM
Crikey! :???: I've just got a standard back protector in my jacket. Now seriously thinking of upgrading to a "proper" one! How do I know what size I need to get? (I'm female by the way!)
Cheers.
Laura
SoulKiss
12-08-08, 03:34 PM
Crikey! :???: I've just got a standard back protector in my jacket. Now seriously thinking of upgrading to a "proper" one! How do I know what size I need to get? (I'm female by the way!)
Cheers.
Laura
Forcefield do a ladies one - costs about 80 quid
I am sure that Perth or Cupar Motorcycles would have one.
Crikey! :???: I've just got a standard back protector in my jacket. Now seriously thinking of upgrading to a "proper" one! How do I know what size I need to get? (I'm female by the way!)
Cheers.
Laura
Best way is go and find one in a bike shop that fits comfortable and is not too long or short.
Comfort is a big issue. If it's not comfortable then you are less likely to wear it.
Once you found one that fits, take a note and then go home and search the site for a cheaper one.
Great thread, read a good 10-15 pages.
I've just bought an SV and have my test at the end of the month so biking is getting a bit more serious.
I have an RST jacket and trousers but the zips are different lengths :( So can't zip them together which is abit worring
I'll upgrade my gloves very soon and lid to a nice AVG one but i currently don't have a back portecor...
Spiderman
13-08-08, 12:38 PM
Great thread, read a good 10-15 pages.
I've just bought an SV and have my test at the end of the month so biking is getting a bit more serious.
I have an RST jacket and trousers but the zips are different lengths :( So can't zip them together which is abit worring
I'll upgrade my gloves very soon and lid to a nice AVG one but i currently don't have a back portecor...
Dude i'd be far more tempted to get a back protector before upgrading gloves tbh...unless of course your gloves are faling apart.
Even a simple cheap back protector is better than none at all and i think Hein Gericke's ones that go in the jacket start from about £30ish.
HTH
hallasv
29-10-08, 11:21 AM
Ouchhh! Thank god i got forced to buy a back protector first thing. Got my self a Knox Ricochet and kidney protector one. This thread made me realise why got to carry on putting the bugger on!
Good thread hope your well and mended now!
mabozzar
29-10-08, 04:59 PM
yes a back protecters a good thing, but whats the best fur yer Bum... I have other pics that a think are too graphic of an OFF, a dont think a should post them, but it does let ye know when yer being foolish... should a post them ????
Dave20046
29-10-08, 07:58 PM
yes a back protecters a good thing, but whats the best fur yer Bum... I have other pics that a think are too graphic of an OFF, a dont think a should post them, but it does let ye know when yer being foolish... should a post them ????
Ouch. Leathers mighta helped :roll:
Jaygorski
18-12-08, 08:55 PM
Those pics hurt so much just looking at them I put my Joe Rocket vertical Suzuki jacket on in the house, course Im trying to break it in, too, haha:smt040
joshmac
21-12-08, 03:00 AM
Ouch. Leathers mighta helped :roll:
+1
Or even some kevlar-lined jeans..
peterco
21-12-08, 10:00 PM
Protective clothing will help reduce the impact,
Did not help me with a fracture and displaced pelvis,
plus the rupture of the urethra and neck of bladder and a rupture of the small bowel.
Ended with loads of surgery over a couple years.
These are after the first lot of op's..
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/87399778
pete
tomjones2
21-12-08, 11:01 PM
Protective clothing will help reduce the impact,
Did not help me with a fracture and displaced pelvis,
plus the rupture of the urethra and neck of bladder and a rupture of the small bowel.
Ended with loads of surgery over a couple years.
These are after the first lot of op's..
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/87399778
pete
It looks like your arms have moved in the photo's I take it you were asleep when they were took right?
I recently had my spleen out, no idea it looked like that in there, kinda glad I didnt ask for photos. Dont like the scar much either but it looks like its here to stay so I better get used to it.
It is true that in a serious one, your leathers are not going to give you a tremendous amount of protection in an accident. But the fact is, Had I not been wearing them (and the back protector) I would have been dead. So although a broken pelvis, a heap of broken ribs and internal damages occurred, the leathers I was wearing still afforded me enough protection for me to survive the accident. For you to say your gear did not help, I expect your injuries would have been even worse if not fatal had you not been wearing the protection you were. They must have afforded you some level of protection of some degree.
The medics on scene said my leathers did a very good job of keeping my pelvis and associated bits and pieces in place.
sol_khn
01-01-09, 03:27 PM
Great job for getting the message out there, I am new to riding and have passed my test only a few months. Before i even took my CBT the first thing i did was go out and buy leathers. I didn't care how uncool i looked riding a little ER5 with full race leathers on my lessons. It was just as well because some little schoolgirl decided to run out right in front of me on a wet road on my very first lesson. The bike was worse for wear but I didn't have a scratch. Much respect for posting and if just one person listens it would be worth it, all my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Sol
blueflame
07-01-09, 03:25 PM
I got a Kevlar Jacket with pads ?300, and Kevlar jeans with pads ?110, they don?t zip together, is this ok or would you recommend getting a set that zip up at the waste? I don?t want to think I?m safe when I?m not.
What?s better Kevlar or leather???
If you intend on doing any track days, even if its from a training perspective, it you're wearing a 2 piece suit they must zip together. That kinda tells you something!! Bottom line is get the best you can afford with the money you have available to meet the riding and climate you will be out in. Personally I never leave home without being fully kitted out no matter what the weather....Great thread, have a safe 2009!
maidenfan
27-02-09, 03:13 PM
holy crap, its made me think, i used to wear jeans and ordinary boots!!
no more tho. . . .
BanditPat
06-03-09, 10:48 PM
holy crap, its made me think, i used to wear jeans and ordinary boots!!
no more tho. . . .
I came off at less that 10mph wearing jeans and lost a lot of the skin on my leg unless im sitting on college for 11hours I always wear my pants as well as the rest, I should probably wear then considering there's a dual carriage way there that i get the bike flat out on without fail. Last time i came off it was at about 80 and i was incredibly lucky no breaks just a lot of bruising and sprains, wearing all of my gear. It really helps, Buy the best you can afford and wear it all the time :smt040
just in responce to the early post about the back protecters that come with jackets. they are more than good enough i had a accident broke my thigh in three places but my back landed on the kurb like top half of back on the street and bottom half of back on road and not even a bruise ambulence people wouldnt move me for ages . but it was the original back pad that saved me from being paralised. so dont feel you need to buy a stupidly priced back protecter when the ones in the jackets already saved me and i fell off the roof of a car onto the kerb. bad times
KnightRider
16-03-09, 02:12 PM
just in responce to the early post about the back protecters that come with jackets. they are more than good enough i had a accident broke my thigh in three places but my back landed on the kurb like top half of back on the street and bottom half of back on road and not even a bruise ambulence people wouldnt move me for ages . but it was the original back pad that saved me from being paralised. so dont feel you need to buy a stupidly priced back protecter when the ones in the jackets already saved me and i fell off the roof of a car onto the kerb. bad times
Are we talking about the flimsey piece of foam padding here or does your jacket have a proper ridged back protector? If your talking about the foam, then that is a rather sweeping statement you're making!
Yes you may have been fine in your accident, and we are all glad that you were, but have you considered that you may have just been lucky or that the particular type of accident that you had meant that you did not hit the kurb that hard? More to the point are you happy recommending to everyone that if they have an accident that the protector in the jacket is just as good as the seperate and more expensive back protector? What if their accident occurs at a faster speed and their back hits something a little more prominent than a kurb, ie a lamp post, and their bike sandwiches them into the lamp post?
Everyone has a different level of tolerance to risk and cost. Personally I would not trust the foam protector in my jacket for anything. Yes I may be lucky and not break my back but I dont want to take the risk and having analysed the two back protectors side by side there is no way I would just use the foam pad that came in my jacket.
urbane1
16-03-09, 03:36 PM
The foam back protector that was in my jacket is of great use - as a mouse pad.
I took it out and always wear a separate back protector, an Icon Field Vest
I got a Knox in jacket back protector for about £10. Cheap as you like and once in the jacket you've never got to think about it again.
If your the type who wouldn't spend £70 on a back protector, and then wouldn't be bothered to wear it if you did, then the knox ones are certainly better than nothing and wont break the bank.
Owenski
20-03-09, 01:40 PM
And I have never tried to get my knee down again. But that's besides the point. The point of this thread and the pictures is to point out that even when wearing all the correct gear, injuries as bad as the ones that I received are still quite possibly. The point of the thread was to hopefully encourage others to ride with as much protection as they can when out having fun on their motorcycle.
In part thats what startled me, I saw the pictures and expected to read this is what happens when you come off in shorts an t shirt doing 30mph to the shops an back. Carrying the message so make sure you dont do the same thing....
Then with the brief insite into how you spilled I have a massive respect for the life saving aspect of your gear:smt038.
When you think at 90mph your not expected to survice an armco crash as the passenger of a car let alone on a bike. Your a living example of why full PPE is essential to give us a chance in such an accident. I assume an hope that you've made a full recovery now? You have my respect for staying concoius long enough to be able to recall the spill mate. :D
SoulKiss
20-03-09, 01:54 PM
The foam back protector that was in my jacket is of great use - as a mouse pad.
I took it out and always wear a separate back protector, an Icon Field Vest
I have one of those - I think its probably better suited to Paintballing than Riding tho.
A lot of people seem to disregard the hard-shell type of armour that the Field Vest is.
I use my Forcefield on if I am not wearing my Icon TiMax with its built in foam protector.
JediGoat
20-03-09, 02:08 PM
The 'bit of foam' that appears in the back of many jackets on the market is not armour, is it just a bit of foam to show you that there is a pocket in the jacket that can take a back protector (and to give the jacket the same fit it would have wiith a CE approved protector in there).
Easy way to tell if it is armour - take it out and look for the CE mark on it.
Jo
The foam pad filled pocket in the back of Miss Ophic's jacket is too narrow to take a proper back protector. It's probably about 6 inches wide - if that. Only the foam seems to fit in there.
SoulKiss
20-03-09, 02:32 PM
The foam pad filled pocket in the back of Miss Ophic's jacket is too narrow to take a proper back protector. It's probably about 6 inches wide - if that. Only the foam seems to fit in there.
Better to have your protector fitted to you than the jacket in my opinon.
Also in the opinion of the person that make my leathers - I wanted a forcefield one built in so I could be lazy, she argued that as I had the standalone one it would be best to use that - the winning point of that argement was comparing the coverage of protection - the standalone one is longer and ends up tucked into my trousers.
Better to have your protector fitted to you than the jacket in my opinon.
Also in the opinion of the person that make my leathers - I wanted a forcefield one built in so I could be lazy, she argued that as I had the standalone one it would be best to use that - the winning point of that argement was comparing the coverage of protection - the standalone one is longer and ends up tucked into my trousers.
I don't disagree but end of day we all have to make personal choices about risk against convenience. I would get her a back protector that fits into the jacket, but it won't fit. I wouldn't get her a standalone back protector as she wouldn't wear it - it would be too much hassle and probably very uncomfortable for someone of her size. She'd end up just using the car.
SoulKiss
20-03-09, 02:50 PM
I don't disagree but end of day we all have to make personal choices about risk against convenience. I would get her a back protector that fits into the jacket, but it won't fit. I wouldn't get her a standalone back protector as she wouldn't wear it - it would be too much hassle and probably very uncomfortable for someone of her size. She'd end up just using the car.
The Forcefield one may be one of the more expensive, but once its been worn once you never really notice you have it on - it moulds to shape with body heat so well.
Vixis (Mrs Soulkiss) wears hers everyday and has never complained about any hassle factor/inconvenience.
As do i, you said you tuck your into the back of your trousers mine always pokes out the bottom of my jacket cause it wont stay in my trousers.
what won't stay in your trousers? lol. sorry....mind wandering...
I use the back protector both for safety AND (although this seems to be a frozen-kiwi thing) it keeps my kidneys lovely & warm. My bike trou fits over my work gear and the back protector tucks in no problem, just under the waist line.
As I've personally seen what happens when you come off your bike with no protective gear, IMO, you have two choices - bike with protective gear or don't bike. But then, thats my personal opinion :).
what won't stay in your trousers? lol. sorry....mind wandering...
I use the back protector both for safety AND (although this seems to be a frozen-kiwi thing) it keeps my kidneys lovely & warm. My bike trou fits over my work gear and the back protector tucks in no problem, just under the waist line.
As I've personally seen what happens when you come off your bike with no protective gear, IMO, you have two choices - bike with protective gear or don't bike. But then, thats my personal opinion :).
Lol, im pretty sure i tried to tuck it in but couldnt get it (the back prortector) to stay in.
I should have said, you cant bend down after you tuck it in...the back protector I mean.
Orpheus
04-04-09, 02:39 PM
Unless ive missed it somewhere, what helmet were you wearing?
And do you reckon that hit down at all?
coffeecup
06-04-09, 08:19 PM
That looks nasty... Great posting though! Reminds you that safety shouldn't become a fashion thing (sneakers, jeans and shirt). Never understood those people driving without at least some normal protectiongear, but after seeing this I truly don't understand it...
this is an american site with the same message
WARNING VERY GRAFFIC
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm
OMG... that website will shock you into wearing all the gear all the time... It made me physically sick.
To do list :
buy a back protector this week
save for and buy proper leathers regardless of what the OH thinks
I just priced a forcefield back protector - quick google and it's about £84 quid, small price to pay for being able to walk away. I guess I should also get a proper fitting jacket - mine is a mens style jacket and so doesn't really fit well over my hips, it was only supposed to last a summer then get passed on... new leather jacket and trousers for Xmas me thinks. I really prefer textiles though as I feel the cold really badly, *ponders* Guess I'll be buying thermals too! lol
yorkie_chris
08-04-09, 10:08 AM
The halvarssons "track" back protector is made by forcefield IIRC. It scored very well in tests, but is a slightly different shape and fit. Worth trying on if you can find one.
Since you're on about back protectors...
Don't have much idea about them so I'm looking at various reviews...
Are Ride magazines reviews and rankings trustworthy?
yorkie_chris
08-04-09, 10:23 AM
I would be happy enough believing the back protector review, but their review of chains does cast doubt onto the integrity of the rest of their reviews.
The halvarssons "track" back protector is made by forcefield IIRC. It scored very well in tests, but is a slightly different shape and fit. Worth trying on if you can find one.
This is the one i have, i like it and i always wear it, fits well but some times it rides up my back a bit.
on another note, that website is messed up, reminds me of rotten.com.
northwind
08-04-09, 10:07 PM
Are Ride magazines reviews and rankings trustworthy?
Sometimes. But, luckily the CE standards are pretty clearcut, there's still not many protectors that meet level 2, so that narrows it right down. Forcefield would be my choice, I've used their armour in other locations for years and it's really excellent. A lot of closed foam armour wears out over time, Knox stuff in particular is bad for this, elbow and knee armour soon wears... The forcefield (and Rukka) stuff avoids this entirely.
Dave20046
08-04-09, 10:13 PM
Wish I'd known about the 2 levels when I bought mine. Bet my a*s track protector vest is a level one (if approved at all!...bloody shoddy a*'s :roll: )
Hey guys, Absolutely brand new to biking and have bought a sv650! Sadly dropped it the other night but thats another story.
Ive got textile clothing but only because the guy in the shop recommended it.
I'd now like to get some leathers and a back protector, but I have absolutely not idea what to look for and what is good e.g. different types of leathers...
Could anyone who knows point me in the right direction, hopefully not too expensive, my budget isnt huge. Perhaps around £500.
I'd go to a shop and ask, but again I dont know who is good and dont want to end up with the old salesman speech so he can make some money quick from getting rid of old stock!
Any help will me much appreciated, Thanks!
yorkie_chris
04-05-09, 08:38 PM
Teknic violator suit is about £400, leaves you £100 for a proper full length back protector.
Go for a forcefield or a halvarssons "track" back protector (made by forcefield IIRC, different shape) buy the one that fits better.
You don't get what you pay for with leathers, the most expensive brands are some of the worst. I wouldn't wear the new dianese stuff if you paid me to. Italian fashion tripe. Bloody wops...
philbut
04-05-09, 08:45 PM
For £500 you can get some good kit. decent textiles are fine and more practical really if you ride all year. stear clear of Frank Thomas and chaper stuff like that. In terms of back protectors, I have a knox full lenth one that is a separate item to my jacket so i can use it with any of my gear - the only problem being it is a bit of a pain to store anywhere when out and about. If you do a search you will find quite a few threads where people have discussed the best leathers to get. Lozzo on here used to work in the industry and so knows his stuff.
Cool guys, ill be doin alot of research between now and when i finally am able to tax my bike!
It just so turns out I have Frank Thomas jacket and trousers.... Dammit!
philbut
04-05-09, 09:09 PM
Cool guys, ill be doin alot of research between now and when i finally am able to tax my bike!
It just so turns out I have Frank Thomas jacket and trousers.... Dammit!
I did the same. all my first gear was FT. Its not bad to live with. I still use the jacket all winter and they replaced the trousers for free after they began to leak so its not all bad. I have never crash tested them though so can't comment on that area. Don't fret, it is better than nothing. I imagine a lot of people start off with cheaper gear.
To be honest, im quite happy with the jacket, it looks nice to. But after reading this thread i'd def like leathers and def a back protector.
Thanks guys, ill google those other makes you mentioned
Thingus
04-05-09, 11:07 PM
When i first got my kit is was deeep winter, big ass textile jacket and trousers. I actually liked the trousers and still do, but thought i might look at leather jackets for the summer. I ended up just buying another textile, but a sportier tighter fit Alpinestars jacket and it feels great.
Good protection, comfy, warm, can't use it on trackdays though.. s'all up to you.
northwind
05-05-09, 06:40 PM
Wolf is decent kit and will fit into your budget I think.
Dave20046
06-05-09, 10:46 AM
teknic aswell
SUPERSTARDJ01
12-05-09, 12:52 PM
I shall be using my back protector from now on. OUCH!
But glad your alive.
Stewart.C
12-05-09, 01:21 PM
one of my mates is trying to get me to get rid of my leathers & change to Textile.
Im now telling him to POKE IT UP THERE AR*E
cheers for the wake up call
yorkie_chris
12-05-09, 03:34 PM
Textile can be usefully protective, just it tends to sacrifice itself while protecting you.
Both have their place. Textile for me because I feel not being compromised by hypothermia makes me safer than another 5mph worth of abrasion resistance...
davepreston
12-05-09, 03:57 PM
ixon textile jacket and richa kevlar jeans did there job for me yesterday am going to buy another ixon jacket asap
Dave20046
12-05-09, 04:40 PM
Textile can be usefully protective, just it tends to sacrifice itself while protecting you.
Both have their place. Textile for me because I feel not being compromised by hypothermia makes me safer than another 5mph worth of abrasion resistance...
Yup this is true my textil jackets a bit shredded but still does the job. Leathers are still in a really good state (from a much worse crash), almost completely unnoticeable damage.
I'm hoping my back protector will still do it's job.
I can testify to the benefits of wearing proper kit. I now wouldn't leave the house without wearing a back protector or leathers.
I may look a strange shape when kitted in leathers with a back protector fitted but it saves my skin and back.
I got my leathers in a sale with 650 quid off, reduced to 250 quid and I just couldn't ignore it. Alpinestars 2-piece for 250 quid? -bargain.
Alpinestarhero
28-05-09, 08:28 PM
I can testify to the benefits of wearing proper kit. I now wouldn't leave the house without wearing a back protector or leathers.
I may look a strange shape when kitted in leathers with a back protector fitted but it saves my skin and back.
I got my leathers in a sale with 650 quid off, reduced to 250 quid and I just couldn't ignore it. Alpinestars 2-piece for 250 quid? -bargain.
Damn right. A couple of people hve been asking me how I cope in the hot weather in my leathers. I remind them that its far better to be hot and protected, than risk being cool and perhaps have an accident...and spend lots of time having skin grafted back onto your legs and arms and other pars of your body
yorkie_chris
28-05-09, 08:32 PM
Leathers come with vents; forward motion creates airflow. Problem solved. Honestly occifer.
metalmonkey
28-05-09, 10:57 PM
Leathers come with vents; forward motion creates airflow. Problem solved. Honestly occifer.
haha mine are vented, yes air flow helps;)
Teknic are good leathers, I wouldn't mind a set, or Arlene Ness. My two piece are Hein Gerkie I actually really like them. They fit me well, they have become really soft now like a second skin. But I have made a habit of cleaning and treating my leathers. Also make sure they zip togther as well, casue thats a requirement for track days.
The only other thing is go try loads on, no point spending £5-600 on a set and they don't fit. Though I have a hard time finding anything that fits me at all, so I have try everything on, normally the whole shop.
Do a search there was a whole tread on this a while back which covers all this, what buy, likes/dislkes brands ect.
yorkie_chris
30-05-09, 01:54 PM
Also make sure they zip togther as well,
All the way around!
SUPERSTARDJ01
30-05-09, 02:17 PM
This has inspired me to get a set of leathers which I have now done and a forcefield back protector.
Cheers :smt032
This has inspired me to get a set of leathers which I have now done and a forcefield back protector.
Cheers :smt032
Excellent.
Teknic violator suit is about £400, leaves you £100 for a proper full length back protector.
Go for a forcefield or a halvarssons "track" back protector (made by forcefield IIRC, different shape) buy the one that fits better.
You don't get what you pay for with leathers, the most expensive brands are some of the worst. I wouldn't wear the new dianese stuff if you paid me to. Italian fashion tripe. Bloody wops...
HAHA... i happen to be a bloody wop and i have Dainese leather jacket and trousers i got 4 years ago that did a good job of saving my skin in an off but i was only doing about 50
yorkie_chris
14-06-09, 11:58 PM
My own experience of them was a friend of mine having a poxy little lowside at about 30mph, it wasn't a particularly violent landing since he was cranked over a lot. The stitching failed around about a third of the arm-torso joint on them!
There is something seriously wrong when a pair of multiple-crashed draggin jeans stand up to a crash better than a "race styled" leather jacket which cost (I won't say "worth") a couple of hundred quid!
JediGoat
15-06-09, 12:40 AM
There is something seriously wrong when a pair of multiple-crashed draggin jeans stand up to a crash better than a "race styled" leather jacket which cost (I won't say "worth") a couple of hundred quid!
I neither wear nor sell Dainese, so I can't comment on their gear, but in an unintended way, maybe you have brought up the fact of how much folks underestimate a product like Draggin jeans*.
Jo
*Other Kevlar products are available ;)
yorkie_chris
15-06-09, 12:49 AM
I neither wear nor sell Dainese, so I can't comment on their gear, but in an unintended way, maybe you have brought up the fact of how much folks underestimate a product like Draggin jeans*.
Jo
*Other Kevlar products are available ;)
I like them. they are an excellent product but you have to accept their limitations. Because they are not so fitted in place as leathers your skin will slide across the inside of them. The kevlar inside is a little rough; This hurts. Also just leather alone, especially doubled over a few times like on the knees, lower back, hips, on a decent set of leathers, will go some way to absorb any impact. The thin layer of kevlar will not do this. You will get some burn from the kevlar as you hit the floor.
You will not get better protection than from a set of leathers with knee and hip armor.
I know some people will wear armor underneath draggin jeans, but this negates any advantage of the draggin jeans whatsoever. They are good because you can wear them with the comfort of normal cammos, but if you're going to use loads of other sweaty stuff then what's the point!
There was one very amusing one on some US bikers forum, guy posted pic of himself knee down in jeans, then went on to explain how he loves riding in jeans, and wears some armored underwear, then full kevlar pants, THEN jeans, then straps kneesliders on top.
Those leathers sure seem inconvenient :rolleyes:
JediGoat
15-06-09, 01:22 AM
The kevlar inside is a little rough; This hurts.
A couple of years ago, a guy I know mentioned to me that he was getting 'chinese burns' from his Draggin Jeans. I was rather surprised, as I had never had any customers mention this to me (I sell women's bike gear, and a lot of Draggin jeans, but no single cusomer had ever mentioned getting any irritation). I also wear them myself and had never had a problem with them.
He was adamant about it though - chinese burns on the outside of his thighs.
Then one day, he popped his head round the door and said he had worked out the problem...the woven kevlar was acting like an epillator and was plucking the hairs out of his legs :D
No wonder it was unlikely any of my customers would complain of such a problem, and I've never heard of anyone since with that issue, but it still makes me chuckle :D
Jo
Edit - I'm sure there is a business idea there..."Ladies, epillate your legs whilst commuting to work" :D
lukemillar
15-06-09, 01:57 AM
My own experience of them was a friend of mine having a poxy little lowside at about 30mph, it wasn't a particularly violent landing since he was cranked over a lot. The stitching failed around about a third of the arm-torso joint on them!
There is something seriously wrong when a pair of multiple-crashed draggin jeans stand up to a crash better than a "race styled" leather jacket which cost (I won't say "worth") a couple of hundred quid!
I have to say, I have read peoples opinions so many times on different leather manufacturers and for every person who claims one brand is sh!t you will find another who says they are great. For this reason I tend to not believe anything I read on the interweb and just follow personal experience, else I probably wouldn't buy any brand of leathers.
I have just retired my multiple crash-tested Spyke leathers and bought some secondhand Dainese ones. Didn't set out to buy Dainese - I was actually after some Arlen Ness, but being in the @rse-end of the world, most brands don't reach NZ soil - except for the bigger ones. I have no idea whether they are any good. They are about 3 years old new - just never used and don't appear to have be made in a chinese sweatshop. The fit, however, is great which (like helmets) is definietly half the battle. I would argue that a lot of people wear leathers that are too big for them and so they don't necessarily perfom in the manner to wish they were designed.
Jamiebridges123
15-06-09, 03:46 AM
Tbh most decent branded leathers would perform similarly anyway? at least for road use.. on a track then maybe you want the £3000 suit over the £450 one, but the £450 isn't exactly going to fall apart like tissue paper...
Tbh my Ixon jacket and random leather trousers (good ones though.. I forgot the name) saved me well enough in a crash.. my cheapy waterproof boots let my ankle down though... and ok, I couldn't walk because my knee had swollen up, however it wasn't the knee that either
a) Got crushed or,
b) slid across the tarmac with at 40mph with a 220kg bike on top of it
I think the most important piece of saftey equipment, however, are gloves and earplugs, in that order.. followed by boots and then a jacket/trousers/suit.
I think... It's better to have poorer quality (the cheapy £220 2pc Frank Thomas one) one that fits perfectly, than a £800 BKS set with Toselands signature across your **** (not like anyone could see it anyway!) that you won from a competition and were 5 sizes too big.. (not small.... wouldn't work! lmao!)
I think the most important piece of saftey equipment, however, are gloves and earplugs, in that order.. followed by boots and then a jacket/trousers/suit.
Not helmet or back protector? Jeez you some wierd ideas about stuff.
**** man that looks sore, i hope your all well now...but theres nothing betta than to see wat happens to make shure peeps put on the propa gear
yorkie_chris
15-06-09, 04:04 PM
Don't forget the importance of gloves, it is ridiculously easy to do debilitating and permanent damage by flesh removal from your palms. This coupled with the natural tendancy to put your hands out to break your fall...
gruntygiggles
16-06-09, 10:43 AM
I bought JHS own make textiles for £160 jacket & Trousers after trying on a few sets of HG's and others that were triple the price. The armour in the JHS suit was far better and much better placed. It also has hip and thigh armour which the others didn't. I was a little dubious, but thought, hey.....if they last me one off, they're cheap enough to just go out and buy a new set. I spoke to the guys there about the stitching and he showed me how they tested it and basically said that they were as good as, if not better quality than the big brand textiles, but they can't charge the same price because they are own make. They more than passed all the safety testing and so I bought them. They have been amazing. Not had to test them in an off yet thankfully, but after over a year they still look and feel brand new. Only thing I want now is a back protector.
Dave20046
16-06-09, 10:46 AM
I bought JHS own make textiles for £160 jacket & Trousers after trying on a few sets of HG's and others that were triple the price. The armour in the JHS suit was far better and much better placed. It also has hip and thigh armour which the others didn't. I was a little dubious, but thought, hey.....if they last me one off, they're cheap enough to just go out and buy a new set. I spoke to the guys there about the stitching and he showed me how they tested it and basically said that they were as good as, if not better quality than the big brand textiles, but they can't charge the same price because they are own make. They more than passed all the safety testing and so I bought them. They have been amazing. Not had to test them in an off yet thankfully, but after over a year they still look and feel brand new. Only thing I want now is a back protector.
Get the protector quick smart. They come in level 1 and level 2 wish I'd known when I bought mine. Think forcefields are a level 2.
I might look into j&s textile trousers I need something armoured and waterproof! my current ones tick all the right boxes apart from waterproof :( Are j&s nationwide?
gruntygiggles
16-06-09, 10:53 AM
Get the protector quick smart. They come in level 1 and level 2 wish I'd known when I bought mine. Think forcefields are a level 2.
I might look into j&s textile trousers I need something armoured and waterproof! my current ones tick all the right boxes apart from waterproof :( Are j&s nationwide?
I think they are yes....I also think that their superstore is up north somewhere. On the whole, yes, mine are waterproof. The only problem I had with them was on a 5 hour ride back from the Lake District in awful weather. I had a very heavy rucksack on my back, sitting as pillion and I kept having to pull the rucksack up to relieve my back, but I think it must have pulled the jacket up with it and exposed the zip as I got wet there. Not very wet really, just wet. Hadn't gone down my bacl or anything, just in that area but have ridden many times in the rain in them before minus rucksack and not ad a problem!
I don't know what the mens are like for fit, but the womens feel fantastic and yes......I will get a back protector soon. Especially before I get my new Buell.......lol
As a consequence of my latest 'adventure' (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=136626) I have had my pelvis x-rayed again. As I never actually got to see the damage I did previously, I asked if I could have a look at the pictures. She kindly printed them off so I scanned them. I was expecting to see a couple of little holes. I was not expecting to see this...
Bluewolf
30-07-09, 08:09 AM
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Meanwhile back on track...
gruntygiggles
30-07-09, 02:53 PM
Meanwhile back on track...
Yes, apologies for that!
I've been noticing many more unprotected pillions this year than I normally do. ANyone else noticed this. I think I mentioned it in another post as well, but I think it's one thing to not suit yourself up, but just totally unjustifiable to take a pillion and not ensure they have at least the most basic protection.
dj_pingu
09-08-09, 01:02 AM
Thanks for posting the pics - was gonna make do with my Snowboarding back protector that seemed alright ... then read up on CE standards and all that and have just bought this http://store.planet-knox.com/knox/upper-body/1/aegis-7-8-and-9-plate-back-protector/ -- top level protection .. could do with saving money but sod's law, if i decided not to would prob do myself some horrible mischief in a few days... also looked at that ridetodie site ... pretty speechless about that...
whoa well first time I have come across this thread...glad to see you're ok and alive from your lucky escape a few years back big ape...
probably after getting minced by other vehicles when coming off, going flying into a barrier at 80mph is one of the most life threatening things to happen when coming off a bike...so kudos on wearing your full gear and hopefully others will find this thread and go out and buy things they think they never would have needed...
incidentally, over a month ago, I went out to buy a forcefield pro back protector from a shop in east london. On my ride back home, I had my first off and landed flat on my back on the road at 30mph...not much compared to big apes off, but just trying to drive the point home that when having an off, you wanna make sure you have as much of your body protected as possible...
...and seeing as you don't know when you might have an off = wearing maximal protection ALL the time when riding!..
allantheboss
10-02-10, 08:59 PM
Thanks, good words from everyone! Nobody thinks it will happen to them.
I spent £1000 on safety gear (at mega discount too, because son of George White is my mate) at RRP it might all be £1500+, all before I even owned a bike!
Crikey! I know this was 4 years ago but Crikey!
Was it really 4 years ago? Actually if memory serves me correctly I had that accident in 2004. So that would be nearly 6 years ago. Time flies. No chance of falling off anything at the moment though. Bikes are still firmly tucked away in the garage and will be for a couple of months more. Also need a new helmet after my last high speed roll down the motorway.
hongman
13-05-10, 08:48 PM
I just came across this thread...Getting a back protector now as well as all the rest of my kit. Scary thing is the additonal expense of a back protector just sort of passed through my brain for maybe 10s then back out again on the basis that its only for hardcore riders.
A big thank you to for posting this, could've possibly saved my life already.
hongman
13-05-10, 08:50 PM
And wow, a quick peek on ebay reveals a host of decent 2nd hand ones for £25...I expected them to be £100+.
I just came across this thread...Getting a back protector now as well as all the rest of my kit. Scary thing is the additonal expense of a back protector just sort of passed through my brain for maybe 10s then back out again on the basis that its only for hardcore riders.
A big thank you to for posting this, could've possibly saved my life already.
Yup. In the grand scheme of things a back protector is probably one of the cheapest parts of biking but argueably the most important. Glad this thread has converted another biker in thinking about the gear in which they choose to ride. :)
Luckypants
14-05-10, 08:36 AM
And wow, a quick peek on ebay reveals a host of decent 2nd hand ones for £25...I expected them to be £100+.
I would be wary of second hand ones. Most work by being crushed to absorb energy, so if they have not been cared for (left under a pile of stuff for instance) it may be partially crushed already and it might not be as effective as it could be when it comes to the crunch. I landed flat on my back in my last off, my back protector was all floppy and half it's original thickness after, wouldn't want something not fully up to it in that situation.
hongman
14-05-10, 08:41 AM
Thanks lucky - I'll keep a lookout for that. ALthough even new they are circa ~80-90 quid, I'll def be getting one. After I showed my GF the pics I dont think I have much choice in the matter now regardless!
kaivalagi
07-06-10, 05:17 PM
I have joined this forum today as I am planning on getting an SV650 as a first bike in the not so distant future. I am very glad I have read this thread but I am now seriously considering not getting in motorcycling at all.....I have a wife and son...
If I do continue down the motorcycle route I know I will be spending a good deal of cash on every possible precautionary measure I can.
Thanks for opening my eyes to what I didn't give enough thought to before, food for thought for sure...
Electro
17-06-10, 09:27 PM
Jogging bottoms on a bike dont work when you wind it up going thru a village high st and a car pulls out.
This pic shows the bikers thigh. Both arms are badly bust and various other bad injuries. Pic taken by a mate of the biker who saw it all happen. This was in Mossley not far from Manchester a couple of weks ago.
It aint nice and it shows bone as the flesh has gone from the thigh so dont click then complain as you have been informed of the content.
edit by Richie :- The following photo is very graphic !
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2/ELECTROVW/67e5bef7.jpg
-Ralph-
18-06-10, 01:54 AM
How do you know that this picture is not a fake? The wound is very clean, no grit in it at all. No dirt on the trousers, rips look very clean, etc, etc.
I've lost a considerable amount of flesh off the right hand side of my body from the balls of my feet right the way up to my right tit, as the result of sliding down the road. It took the nurses literally hours to clean the wounds, and they weren't that clean after they had finished.
I came off at 30mph in jeans and the wounds were probably 1/2 inch deep at the worst, how fast was this guy going on a village high street?
lukemillar
18-06-10, 05:14 AM
How do you know that this picture is not a fake?
Does it matter? Surely the point is to wear proper gear. Doesn't really matter if the pic is fake or genuine - the message is the same.
-Ralph-
18-06-10, 08:53 AM
Does it matter? Surely the point is to wear proper gear. Doesn't really matter if the pic is fake or genuine - the message is the same.
Yes, it matters. If the photo is a fake, how can it reinforce any message, if people look at it and go "that's b0ll0cks"?
The message is a important and valid one, and this thread has become pivotal to reinforcing that message on the org since 2006, but you only undermine that message and this thread, if you try to evidence it with a fake photo. Much better to have photo's like the one this thread started with, which are less graphic, but real, then people believe it and take notice.
I'm not saying the photo is definitely a fake, but at the moment I don't believe what I am seeing, and I'd like to know what more we know about it to try and determine that. If it is a fake I think we should take it off this thread, because this thread does carry an important message, and we don't want to turn it into a pointless gore fest, where people compete to see who can post the most graphic images, that have no basis in reality.
Even the opinion of a medical professional to say that it does or doesn't look like a leg that has slid down the road, or indeed that it does actually look like the inside of leg and not something done in photoshop (all bones and muscles in the correct place, etc), would all be of interest. Electro may not know any more about it, he may just have posted the contents from an email or another forum.
It could be a completely real photo, but that doesn't mean we should take it at face value without challenging it's validity. If nobody ever challenged anything we'd all be in a right mess.
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