Major differences between 1000 & 650

[Robbo_]

Hi,

theres a nice clean K3 1000 in my local dealer, priced at £3999. My insurance company say they want another £205 to cover me for it.

Other than engine size, is there any other advantages of the thou? I'm looking for better braking and a firmer ride.

Also, does £3999 sound good for that? I maybe could get another £200 off the price, but would have to trade in my K3 650 for it.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Whats the milage, condition, etc (and is it a naked) ?

The SV1000 has 4 pot calipers instead of 2 pots like on the 650, so yes it's got better brakes.

It's also got fully adjustable suspension front and back.

[Robbo_]

Its a 1000S, looks immaculate. I think the mileage is 4K.

One thing that struck me is that it may accommodate my 6'3" frame better than the 650. It just looked a little more 'chunky'.

[Scoobs]

PM MattSV.

He had a 650 and has now got a thou.

[northwind]

Luckily for you, you get better braking and a firmer ride ;) Forks and shocks are better- properly adjustable cartridge items on the front and a fully adjustable rear shock. Neither is particularily fantastic IMO. Plus you get the same 4-pot calipers as used to be on GSXRs, pretty good, though they're on slightly smaller discs.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Its a 1000S, looks immaculate. I think the mileage is 4K.

One thing that struck me is that it may accommodate my 6'3" frame better than the 650. It just looked a little more 'chunky'.

As I understand it, the seating position is unchanged between the two machines.

And Scoobs, MattSV had one of those inferior curvey machines, so he won't be able to help :wink:

[Scoobs]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

You might have a CBR now, but you'll still never catch me on my pointy SV 8)

[Viney]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

I'll come and pick you up ;)

[Scoobs]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

I'll come and pick you up ;)

Good man! :lol: :lol:

[tinpants]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

I'll come and pick you up ;)

Good man! :lol: :lol:

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Go on let him have it!! :lol: :lol:

As a former owner of a curvy ( the original, and best sv's) I also take exception to this. :wink:

[Sid Squid]

Everything.

They're not the same bike at all, different frame, engine, suspension, brakes, wheels, other than some cosmetics they share nothing of any note.

[seedy100]

350

[Carsick]

350
351, actually.

[Carsick]

If you can afford it then I'd say take it. I was seriously considering trading up to one a few months ago, but I simply won't get enough for my 650.
The thou does everything the 650 does, but better. Even though it doesn't turn in quite as quickly as the 650, the improved suspension makes it easier to chuck about with confidence.

[ophic]

Everything.

They're not the same bike at all, different frame, engine, suspension, brakes, wheels, other than some cosmetics they share nothing of any note.
you surprise me. The height, length, seat height and wheelbase and (from looking) steering geometry, are all identical. And the dry weight is only 18kg more. :?

[tj2]

I used to have a K3 650 N, Iput 19000 miles on it in less than 18 months riding....... It was a superb bike, used no oil (ate tyres) and I could really chuck it about. I had no qualms about the suspension, brakes or any of the other problems that seem to crop up on here, where people want to change stuff. the only mod I made to it was to fit an aftermarket exhaust to it........


Then I part chopped it for a K4 1000


I dont get the time now to do the same mileage but I have noted that even tho there is only a 20 kg or so weight difference, it feels far more than that at low speed handleing. It seems to sit lower/feels lower than my old 650. I find that it is far to easy to carry far more speed than before into my fave roads, and it is taking time to learn to ride it differently from the 650. The torque is immense, although wheelies are not as easy as on my 650 (but still achievable :) )
Fuel consumption I am finding much the same as the 650....average 45mpg. The tyres fitted to it are .....simply put....crap oe michelins..as now on a finite budget for all things bike related, i need to wear them out before replacing them with bridgestones.
The footrest position is very different from the 650 dunno why but I really notice that.
Oh yeah and the gear lever fell off shortly after I bought it !!!!!

And it needs topping up between services.... my 650 never did and it was ridden at the top of the rev band for most of its 19k miles !!!


Hope this helps

Terry

[ophic]

It seems to sit lower/feels lower than my old 650.
The footrest position is very different from the 650 dunno why but I really notice that.
Oh yeah and the gear lever fell off shortly after I bought it !!!!!
these are difference between k3 and k4 - the pegs were moved, the seat was lowered and gear lever design changed, making it more prone to falling off.

I believe these changes were made to both the 650 and the 1000 in the move from k3 to k4, and so aren't really differences between the 650 and the 1000.

[21QUEST]

Hi,

Also, does £3999 sound good for that? I maybe could get another £200 off the price, but would have to trade in my K3 650 for it.

How many miles has it got. Anyways , personally I don't think I'll pay that but I guess depends on what they give you for yours.

I know mine was a killer deal but I paid £2995 in Nov 2004 for a K31000 with only 600 miles on the clock.

Cheers
Ben

[Sid Squid]

Everything.

They're not the same bike at all, different frame, engine, suspension, brakes, wheels, other than some cosmetics they share nothing of any note.
you surprise me. The height, length, seat height and wheelbase and (from looking) steering geometry, are all identical. And the dry weight is only 18kg more. :?'Family' traits, nothing more. As for the geometry the figures are entirely normal modern bike numbers, thus unsurprisingly similar.

The tyres fitted to it are .....simply put....crap oe michelins..as now on a finite budget for all things bike related, i need to wear them out before replacing them with bridgestones.Have you got an 'N' or an 'S'? The OE Pilot Roads on my 1000N were great. Too dear to replace though, when I got an unrepairable puncture in the back Michelin a pair of Conti RAs were cheaper than a rear replacement.

And it needs topping up between services.... my 650 never did and it was ridden at the top of the rev band for most of its 19k miles.How many miles have you got on yours? Mine's not needed a top up between changes, it's now got about 18,000 on it.

...the seat was lowered...I believe these changes were made to both the 650 and the 1000 in the move from k3 to k4, and so aren't really differences between the 650 and the 1000.For the K3 models both 650 bikes and the 1000S share the same subframe/seat fittings, the 1000N being different, subsequently from K4 on all models share those parts as fitted to the K3 1000N. Faired and unfaired footrest plates differ.

[tj2]

The tyres fitted to it are .....simply put....crap oe michelins..as now on a finite budget for all things bike related, i need to wear them out before replacing them with bridgestones.Have you got an 'N' or an 'S'? The OE Pilot Roads on my 1000N were great. Too dear to replace though, when I got an unrepairable puncture in the back Michelin a pair of Conti RAs were cheaper than a rear replacement.

And it needs topping up between services.... my 650 never did and it was ridden at the top of the rev band for most of its 19k miles.How many miles have you got on yours? Mine's not needed a top up between changes, it's now got about 18,000 on it.


SV 1000 N K4
I have now got about 5 k miles on it.........
It would probably have been better to buy a new one and run it in myself the same as my 650.
Used about 1/2 litre in last 3k miles

As for the tyres, I thought they were ok untill I went along the A537............. Even tho they were warmed up, both still decided to let go at the same time on one of the bends ! I have deffo lost confidence in them.

Terry

[$i]

inferior curvey machines

Don't make me ride all the way up there to bitch slap you J. :wink: :lol:

You might have a CBR now, but you'll still never catch me on my pointy SV 8)

I bet he would :wink: :lol: