View Full Version : Superbike guide on how to wheelie video....
Andy13_uk
28-01-06, 04:24 PM
taken from another forum (BCF) a nice guide to how to learn how to wheelie,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6656191590638402466&q=superbike
Question: Can you power wheelie a SV650s??
Question: Can you power wheelie a SV650s??
Yes, no question - it's just a matter of technique. However don't expect to do it in 2nd and 3rd gears as the SV simply doesn't have this kind of power (though second is easy with a little clutch).
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Andy13_uk
28-01-06, 05:24 PM
cool, i doubt ill try and if i did it would be summer, i might master the "just popping it up under power" so i can have lots of confidence with the throttle and not bin it due to not knowing what to do when front comes up
though it be good to post for others though :)
Warthog
28-01-06, 08:02 PM
looks very tempting, but I just spent my life savings and don't have a job yet, so my front wheel is staying firmly on the ground! :)
(no I don't mean I am just sticking to stoppies :P)
Carsick
29-01-06, 01:42 AM
I learnt to do wheelies by accident. After having my first season on the SV as a nasty winter, I found myself very confident with the throttle come the summer. The front came up regularly on corner exits. I can't do good ones on purpose, but I find it a couple of foot in the area on a regularly basis when the roads are dry.
Andy13_uk
29-01-06, 08:41 AM
i did simular to this carsick, i was on a rideout with ILs 600-1000s so i was down on power compared and on the country lanes was really giving it some and im sure the front came up (onlu like a inch or so) a few times,
I got the perfect road to practise on though :lol: (its kind of private :roll: )
Jelster
29-01-06, 11:49 AM
i did simular to this carsick, i was on a rideout with ILs 600-1000s so i was down on power compared and on the country lanes was really giving it some and im sure the front came up (onlu like a inch or so) a few times,
I got the perfect road to practise on though :lol: (its kind of private :roll: )
You'll be surprised how far your forks travel before the wheel actually clears the ground. I was sure I was getting the front up on my old SV but I have the video to prove otherwise :cry:
However, when it does come up, it's a great feeling. I've had my 'Blade's front in the air a few times due to over zealous acceleration out of bends :roll:
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chewy22
29-01-06, 02:00 PM
Go here I did http://www.jimmyfireblade.co.uk/
tomjones2
29-01-06, 09:37 PM
I learnt to do wheelies by accident. After having my first season on the SV as a nasty winter, I found myself very confident with the throttle come the summer. The front came up regularly on corner exits. I can't do good ones on purpose, but I find it a couple of foot in the area on a regularly basis when the roads are dry.
Are we talking first gear corners here?
chewy22
30-01-06, 02:10 PM
Not to bad a video Andy but they don’t explain how to dip the clutch properly on the video.
I will try to explain. When you do this you should have your little finger and the one next to it and your thumb firmly around the handlebar grip. You pull in the clutch using the remaining two. The reason for this is so you don’t totally disengage the clutch only dip it and you still have a balanced grip like the other side, Its better when you have gloves on. Try it when just sat on the bike and you will get the idea.
Now when you pull the clutch in using this method you just flick or quickly let go at the same time quickly switch throttle off then back on and up she comes.
It’s a bit like patting your head and rubbing your tummy at first but its easy after some practice
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Scarily tempting to give it a go...! :lol: You lot make it sound so easy....! :shock: :lol:
Tommy_Tank
30-01-06, 04:47 PM
On the video they demonstrate power wheelies in 1st gear. Can somebody please offer some advice about how to apply the throttle on the sv to acheive this ?
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Tom
Take it up to 20mph keep it steady and then snap the throttle wide open (as hard and as fast as you can). However be prepared for the bike to rear up on it's hind legs and shut the throttle quickly if need be (though rolling it gently shut is what you're after).
Second gear wheelies using the clutch are actually easier and more progressive.
If you're doing wheelies be prepared to crash (seriously). Other than that, have fun ;).
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Tommy_Tank
30-01-06, 05:04 PM
JB,
Thanks for the advice. I would imagine (as you have said) that a clutched wheelie was less violent, however the video suggested starting with the power wheelie before even attempting a clutched wheelie ?!?!
Maybe the extra power of the kwak they used made a power wheelie easier.
Cheers
Tom
If you're doing wheelies be prepared to crash (seriously).
Thats the bit that worries me...! :(
Probably cheaper and safer to try it a proper wheelie school on their machines! :D
Maybe the extra power of the kwak they used made a power wheelie easier.
Actually no, because it's more about torque than power, the way the SV makes it's torque low down means it's actually easier to wheelie than an IL4 600.
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Maybe the extra power of the kwak they used made a power wheelie easier.
Actually no, because it's more about torque than power, the way the SV makes it's torque low down means it's actually easier to wheelie than an IL4 600.
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I would dispute that. Out of my SV and my brother ZX6R, the ZX6R was the easier of the two to power wheelie.
Yes but it does it high up in the revs range where as my SV (albeit with a 46 tooth rear sprocket and the ignition advance key) will genuinely wheelie off the throttle at 3k revs in first.
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It really depends on the bike and the setup. The ZX6R is a wheelie monster. It always wants to lift the front wheel. My CBR on the other hand needs a real handful to get it to wheelie. In fact I don't think I have yet. Got the front wheel really light and had the bars wobble a bit, but it just seems to launch itself forward rather than wheelie. I must admit, I am not trying to wheelie it either.
We're onto page two and no sign of the safety brigade, they must be slipping.
:wink: :D
Andy13_uk
11-02-06, 11:02 AM
We're onto page two and no sign of the safety brigade, they must be slipping.
:wink: :D
i was waiting for the "on roads your mad!!" :)
northwind
11-02-06, 11:32 AM
I'd agree that IL4s are easier to wheelie... But, they're far harder to wheelie slow, and for a coward like me it's far harder to wheelie fast ;)
Power wheelies. Easy as pie.
Engage first gear. completely let go of the clutch and take hold of both grips firmly. Speed up to about 3000 revs fairly quickly. Shut the throttle off, the front will dive. As it starts to level again, yank the throttle wide open.
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Engage first gear. Completely let go of the clutch and take hold of both grips firmly. Yank the throttle wide open.
First way would be suggested for IL600's, especially fared bikes. Second way for more torquey bikes such as the SV.
Either way the front will come up and it will come up fast. Most peoples reaction is to panic, shut off the throttle and the front comes crashing to the ground. Result of this at best is crushed nuts on the tank. At worst you'll end up crashing.
Clutch wheelies. Easy as pie.
Find the clutch bite, a bit more revs than normal, and let the clutch out a little faster than normal. Control the rate of the rise of the wheelie on the clutch and not the throttle. If the wheelie is coming up to high to fast, dip the clutch slightly this will bring the rate of rise slower and more controlled. If it is not rising enough or dropping down too fast let the clutch out a bit more. The throttle should be constant all the time.
The nack to this is to have smooth and constant throttle control. If you have a snappy throttle with no play you will not be able to keep constant throttle. If the throttle has to much free play, then you will have too much hand movement to try and keep the throttle constant.
I have found that IL600's are harder to wheelie off the throttle. They just don't have as much low down torque as is needed to make this easy. They wheelie far better using the throttle only technique.
I would suggest that if you are looking to wheelie proper, don't try learning on a public road. Find somewhere away from the limelight and practise. I would also suggest you don't go on your own. Things CAN go wrong and you don't really want to be stuck there on your own with a broken bike and possibly a broken you.
I can wheelie using both methods. With the SV I prefer the clutch wheelie. It means that you can get the front up high at nice slow speeds and under much more control than the power wheelie. I find that the power wheelie is much more difficult to get to the balance point of the bike and things happen that much faster and gives you so much less time to get things back in control if it starts to go wrong.
The other thing with the power wheelie is the fact that you are only using the throttle to control the wheelie. The only way to control a power wheelie is either keep changing up gears to maintain height (this obviously means you'll be increasing your speed all the time and risking more when or if it goes wrong) or get the bike up to the balance point of the bike. If you are at the balance point and only using the throttle to maintain the wheelie, you will always be on the edge of going past the balance point and thus past the point of no return. Most people will keep their foot over the rear brake to control the speed and the balance point, it works if your good at it. Truth is a lot of people forget about the rear brake all together and just end up crashing.
Clutch wheelies I prefer simply because it is so much easier to control a wheelie. Using this method allows the bike to be nice and high and at slower speeds. I try to keep the bike up but not quite at the balance point. It is then just a case of slight finger movements to keep the wheel in the air. The speed increases all the time but much much more slowly than a power wheelie. Giving a nice show off wheelie that is up for a reasonable time.
My SV will clutch wheelie in 2nd gear with an extra tooth sprocket on the rear quite easily. I do however have the naked version, so far less weight on the front end than the S and a bigger rear sprocket as standard.
My old YZF 750 used to power wheelie in 2nd gear no problem what so ever. But again this is a different type of bike.
This is all based on my own experiences and so I can only say that it works for me.
have managed wheelies on bandits with success, first time i did panick and threw a nut either side of the tank. not tried it on a v twin yet though. good video mate. :)
Warthog
13-02-06, 12:27 PM
When I arrived at the parking lot for my CBT the instructor was riding a vespa around on the rear wheel... :D
ok im going to have a bash at the wheelie game.
how fast do you have to be going to do the clutch one and in what gear. it said second gear is this right.
im on a curvy s so any tips would be appreciated.
Thanks
If you are going to do a wheelie off the clutch you can do it from stand still in first.
ok im going to have a bash at the wheelie game.
Fair enough, but honestly be prepared to fork out for spare parts. Yes I pull wheelies, but only small ones, knowing that I'm simply putting off the day when it goes pear-shaped. BigApe's a complete hooligan but then he's good at it, certainly better than me, and even he's chucked it down the road. So while wheelies are great fun (actually they're pure bike sex), there is at some point a price to pay.
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ok im going to have a bash at the wheelie game.
Fair enough, but honestly be prepared to fork out for spare parts. Yes I pull wheelies, but only small ones, knowing that I'm simply putting off the day when it goes pear-shaped. BigApe's a complete hooligan but then he's good at it, certainly better than me, and even he's chucked it down the road. So while wheelies are great fun (actually they're pure bike sex), there is at some point a price to pay.
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Couldn't agree more (except the part about me being a hooligan of course). If you are going to try then at least EXPECT to fall off, if you are happy to continue then carry on. It really is lots of fun :lol: :lol:
Going back on my earlier comment. I actually think that if you are attempting this for the first time, I suggest that you actually have a bit of momentum before trying to lift the wheel. 10 mph should be fast enough. Don't try to be the hero on the first attempt. Go for it gradually, practise little ones first until you have got your front wheel up constantly and have got used to it. The most important part of the wheelie is the landing afterwards. Get used to landing the front wheel softly before you gain height. It's no good learning to do wickedly impressive wheelies if you can't land them. Constant slamming down of the front end will do all sorts of damage to your head stock bearings and possibly your front forks as well.
Best of luck :thumbsup:
Yes I've just replaced mine :lol: .
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northwind
16-02-06, 09:02 PM
"You" have have you? :)
Well, um... figure of speech :oops: :lol:
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Andy13_uk
26-03-06, 09:08 AM
So its offically the start of summer (apraently :roll: )
anyone thinking about trying this for the summer rideouts? i might still undecided, dont want to mess the bike up really.
Will try some power ones i think...
GSXR Carlos
26-03-06, 07:50 PM
On the video they demonstrate power wheelies in 1st gear. Can somebody please offer some advice about how to apply the throttle on the sv to acheive this ?
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Tom
all the way to the stop preferably :lol:
i've tried a few little ones off the clutch, but since the winter came in i haven't tried, went for it the other day and forgot how much of a kick it feels like :lol: woohoo
Jimmy fireblade looks good but he's so far away, where are the other three instructors?
The technique is to wait till the engine is around maximum torque (6k-ish) and then snap (and I do mean snap) the throttle wide open. However be aware that the front'll come up like a rearing horse and needs to be eased off quickly but smoothly. As posted previously, be prepared to pick up the pieces ;).
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