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just a quick question about the now famous ccc oval can.
My very generous other half is buying me one for my birthday and i have been scanning through the posts to find out if there is any technical trickery involved once the can is fitted.
I am a car techy by trade but i am relatively new to bikes, i have a '99 curvy and i am wondering if the fueling can be upset by fitting this can (baffle in or out)?
from what i have read opinions are quite mixed but the bike is ready for some tlc anyway and with all the gear at my disposal seems daft not to get it all right.
If the fueling does need setting is it just a case of setting CO%, Idle speed, Carb balance or is there anything other i should know?
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
Peter Henry
03-02-06, 07:05 AM
Chimpy...Might depend if you have a curvy model(carbs) or pointy (fuel injection)
I had a pointy and put a CCC on it with a Kand N filter.The bike ran great with a lovely burbling sound on over run when changing down gears.
If you have all of the kit available to you then maybe fit the pipe and try the bike on a few runs and check if any noticeable flat spot or general poor performance.Then maybe whip one of the plugs out to check condition and colour?
Theory suggests that the bike might run a touch lean now,but not always to an extent that adjustments are needed.
If you need any further pointers our man Sid Squid will no doubt pop along to sort you out. Northwind is pretty good on this kinf of thing,he has a curvy. 8)
454697819
03-02-06, 07:49 AM
shh dont tell anyone... but if you wait untill after feb 6 you can get them of ebay from there sho for much cheaper.. :D
Peter did you just add the K&N without doing anything else to the bike at all...nothing need adjusting?
Khewett
03-02-06, 01:22 PM
Adding a K&N filter to my K3 seems to have stopped the backfiring I was getting with the CCC exhaust.
Sounds great! :)
hi chimpy,i have a 99 curvy with ccc oval fitted. cant say i have noticed any flat spots or noticable difference in fuel economy at all and i take it through the rev range-ocassionally. bike runs fine. if sid squid is about and has any info, would appreciate it. i was under the impression fitting this type of end can meant little or no change/setup. dyno run maybe? :)
northwind
03-02-06, 07:38 PM
It'll go, and not badly at all. Exactly how well will vary from bike to bike though, there's not really one correct answer. If you run it with a filter or modified intake, rejetting or remapping becomes a much better idea- run too lean, and you'll potentially destroy your engine from the piston surfaces up. For the price of a dyno run it's not worth risking.
GSXR Carlos
04-02-06, 03:03 PM
hey there,
why not ride up to CCC and have a chat with them, they're only at fleetwood
northwind
04-02-06, 03:07 PM
Because they'll say "You won't need or benefit from a remap/rejet", same as every other slip-on manufacturer. Not having pop at them, but it's what they told me and mine ended up a bit lean. They all do it...
Still, 9/10 times they're right- if you want the slipon just for the look and sound there's usually very little benefit to playing with the fuelling afterwards.
Because they'll say "You won't need or benefit from a remap/rejet", same as every other slip-on manufacturer. Not having pop at them, but it's what they told me and mine ended up a bit lean. They all do it...
Still, 9/10 times they're right- if you want the slipon just for the look and sound there's usually very little benefit to playing with the fuelling afterwards. very true mate. this is just what i was told which is why i fitted one. so running with can on and standard air filter in means it may be running a bit lean then :?:
I have a 2001 curvy, fitted a CCC S/S oval can (the £110 ebay job) Did not mess with anything else at all. Even used the hanger that came with it as it did not seem to be as fussy as the later bikes about having a C or P shaped bracket (Can't remember which is supposed to cause the problem) Running with a HeinGerricke bog standard filter, original jets etc.
Now I'm no mechanical genius, have no fancy tools and have never had it dyno'd, but it runs fine, the plugs are the same colour before and after the can, it has no flat spots, doesn't seem any faster or slower than it did before, but sounds about a million times better.
I'm sure with enough time and effort, K&N filters a few dyno runs and fitting titanium valvecaps it would go a bit quicker, but if you just want it to sound better I'm fairly sure you need do nothing else. At the end of the day the bike is far more capable than me so I've not bothered exploring the limits of its tweaking enhancements.
northwind
04-02-06, 06:50 PM
Because they'll say "You won't need or benefit from a remap/rejet", same as every other slip-on manufacturer. Not having pop at them, but it's what they told me and mine ended up a bit lean. They all do it...
Still, 9/10 times they're right- if you want the slipon just for the look and sound there's usually very little benefit to playing with the fuelling afterwards. very true mate. this is just what i was told which is why i fitted one. so running with can on and standard air filter in means it may be running a bit lean then :?:
Wee bit... But most likely not enough to bother you. Here's a nice easy way to check, on the carbed models at least. Ride it at about 5-6000 rpm for 10 seconds or so in 3rd or higher gear, then simply crack the throttle right open and see what happens. if it stumbles before it picks up, it's probably lean.
Chances are, with a good slipon you make a little more power, run a little lean, and lose just a little engine response. But the chances of that making an SV so lean as to cause troubles are pretty remote. It does depend on how your bike came from the factory- mine was more or less spot on, some are a little rich, some are lean.
Hi folks, thanks for the replies and advice!
Seems the conclusion is fit it, ride it and see how it goes.
I have a confession though..... the bike has a k&N replacement air filter that was fitted when i bought it but is otherwise totally standard and the guy actually bought it cos it worked out the same price as OEM.
This now leaves me with the dilema, do i pay for a dyno run and setup with the K&N and can fitted(I'm not on a quest for more power as i'm a relatively new rider) or do i pick up a standard filter and just fit the can?
northwind
04-02-06, 09:38 PM
Bung it on the dyno anyway, £20 is cheap for peace of mind (and it's cool to watch too!)
Cheers Northwind,
One more question then i suppose,
Can you recommend, or do you know anyone who can recommend someone who can put my bike on the dyno in the great north west of england??
Sorry for going on but i am still at the annoying newbie stage, apparently it is only a phase and it will pass!! :oops:
chimpy, i'm no mechanic. only do basic servicing myself (at least you know your cars) the forum is extremely helpfull and no matter how futile a problem seems, stick it on. there always seems to be someone who can relate to your situation whatever it is. wonder if ccc-fleetwood have a dyno? does anyone know?http://upload2.postimage.org/107780/SV650_SHOW.jpg (http://upload2.postimage.org/107780/photo_hosting.html)
GSXR Carlos
05-02-06, 12:08 PM
if you find a dyno let me know, i could do with mine going on before i look into CCC as it's supposed to have some dynoject mods done to it but i've never been sure
Because they'll say "You won't need or benefit from a remap/rejet", same as every other slip-on manufacturer. Not having pop at them, but it's what they told me and mine ended up a bit lean. They all do it...
Still, 9/10 times they're right- if you want the slipon just for the look and sound there's usually very little benefit to playing with the fuelling afterwards. very true mate. this is just what i was told which is why i fitted one. so running with can on and standard air filter in means it may be running a bit lean then :?:
Wee bit... But most likely not enough to bother you. Here's a nice easy way to check, on the carbed models at least. Ride it at about 5-6000 rpm for 10 seconds or so in 3rd or higher gear, then simply crack the throttle right open and see what happens. if it stumbles before it picks up, it's probably lean.
Chances are, with a good slipon you make a little more power, run a little lean, and lose just a little engine response. But the chances of that making an SV so lean as to cause troubles are pretty remote. It does depend on how your bike came from the factory- mine was more or less spot on, some are a little rich, some are lean. northwind, just been out and tried said procedure and its as sharp as can be. certainly no stumble at all. if anything the throttle response is better fractionally :)
northwind
05-02-06, 02:05 PM
Dunno, I know where there's 2 in Edinburgh though ;) There's Holeshot in Bradford, but nothing else between Edinburgh and there in the Streetfighters listings. Check out your yellow pages for bike tuning, car tuning, etc. I found mine by simply going through every shop I'd not heard of and askign if they had one ;)
Just been on the CCC website and they have a dyno room and by the sound of it will do a basic run same day in most cases!
Unfortunately no prices though but as i was gonna order my can tommorow i'll make a few enquiries and post the info for anyone who wants to know.
I'll be honest i'm still not sure if this is overkill just for the benefit of a nicer exhaust note but i suppose that all depends on cost.
I think my OCD will prevent me from doing anything other than having a dyno run so if anyone is interested, get in touch and i'll let you know how it all goes.
Thanks to everyone who has offered advice upto now.
yo chimpy, yeah keep us informed mate :) going to adjust handbrake on car now. never a moments peace blah blah blah :D
wolverine04uk
05-02-06, 09:09 PM
I got a CCC can at christmas, brilliant service by the way, got it for loads cheaper and received it the next day. Class biz. Anyway, I've noticed the flat spot at around 5-6k on my curvy 99 SV. Also the fuel light comes on at 115 miles as opposed to the 130 miles it did before. So I take it this is lean? Which means that I'll need to have it dyno'd and carbs adjusted to get it how it was before right? :?
northwind
06-02-06, 12:06 AM
If it was me, I'd fit main jets that are one size bigger than you have in now. Maybe 2. That flat spot basically tells you that your main jets are too small, but not drastically too small. Most people would try to counter it by adjusting the jets, as it's a midrange issue, but it seems to me to be more a case of hte main jets starving the needle circuit than the needle circuit being set too lean.
Anyhow. A go on the dyno and a proper fix would be the best possible option, but if you're confident and competent enough to do it yourself, or if you know someone who is, you could probably get a good result just with bigger jets. Costs abut £3 ;) But if the carbs have never been touched for 7 years it's potentially going to be a bit of a b***er, the screws that hold the float bowl covers and choke cables on are soft brass and have a way of sticking.
As for the economy loss, it's one of those weird things. In theory a lean bike gets better economy, but if it's not running efficiently it'll not be getting the full use of the fuel, so that could account for your loss. Alternatively, it could be that now that it sounds better, you're opening hte loud handle more. Not being funny, I do it too ;)
An update as promised!!
I spoke to carbon can co. and as has already been suggested they told me that tweaking the fueling should not be needed.
However.....they do have a new dyno, they will do the necessary for around £35 and they will fit you in same day in most cases (impressive, me thinks).
On a bit of a tangent my can has arrived and i'm going to fit it asap, the service is, as everybody rightly says, fantastic. They sold me the can for the ebay price and because one of the guys lives close to me they dropped it off at my house without any charge!! The can looks fantastic in fact the only thing i'm not to certain of is how strong the rivet is holding in the baffle(it looks like the baffle may come out :twisted: )
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