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...as i was buying my new lid at the show. If they can do 'show prices' then why on earth cant they be sold for that price all the time? Blatent profiteering(sp?)
My Arai was £100 cheaper than list. They alsways are, but why not in the shops? Are they still making a profit?
fizzwheel
06-02-06, 09:49 AM
What model Arai did you get Viney ?
Supervox
06-02-06, 10:00 AM
Often at this time of year items (especially lids & leathers) are chepaer because the new styles / colours etc will be out in a couple of months or so.
Isnt the MCN show a bit like the January sales, getting rid of some old stock?
Isnt the MCN show a bit like the January sales, getting rid of some old stock?
But its like it at all bike shows!
Astro R thank you Mr Wheel :D
fizzwheel
06-02-06, 10:27 AM
Astro R thank you Mr Wheel :D
Nice 8) my lids getting a bit tired so I have been thinking of an Arai as a replacement I tried a couple on but I havent got he spare cash at the moment. I know that Liz is thinking about a new lid to.
Wandered what you think of the Arai ? compared to my Shoei XR900
Spiderman
06-02-06, 10:47 AM
...as i was buying my new lid at the show. If they can do 'show prices' then why on earth cant they be sold for that price all the time? Blatent profiteering(sp?)
My Arai was £100 cheaper than list. They alsways are, but why not in the shops? Are they still making a profit?
Known in business terms as a Loss Leader you see Viney.
Like the stuff they have outside shops that seem too cheap to be true. they hook you and get you into their shop. Then they hope their "upselling" skills will sell you some other items at normal retail prices and recoup some of the profit they loose on the first item.
Probably something like this, normal markup on item = 30%
loss leader markup = 10%
so yes, still making a very nominal profit but if they dont upsell you other stuff they really do loose out. So make sure you try and haggle a discount for the other items you buy too ;)
Flamin_Squirrel
06-02-06, 11:13 AM
Astro R thank you Mr Wheel :D
Nice 8) my lids getting a bit tired so I have been thinking of an Arai as a replacement I tried a couple on but I havent got he spare cash at the moment. I know that Liz is thinking about a new lid to.
Wandered what you think of the Arai ? compared to my Shoei XR900
I've got an Arai Astro J, which is a bit broken so I got a Shoei XR1000.
The Arai is more comfortable, but the Shoei has better vents, the visor and mechanism feel more solid and the pinlock system is excellent. Over all I think the Shoei is better, but I do miss the comfort of the Arai.
northwind
06-02-06, 11:24 AM
It could be as simple as volume of sales... If you make £10 off a lid, but you sell 50 in a day, that's fine. But if you make £10 of a lid but you sell one a week, you're going out of business.
Wandered what you think of the Arai ?
Had my astro-j for 2 1/2 years now. had a quantum f before that. both of them are the best fit and by far the most comfortable. got a pinlock on my visor too, and i have too say i have had no problems with it at all. great helmet, wont ever buy anything else unless its a flip up, then u i'd prolly go for a roof.
Peter Henry
06-02-06, 01:20 PM
*Off topic*
$1 Can you please check your pm's??? I am waiting for your selections for the Moto GP wotsit???
*sighs in exasperation*
Astro R thank you Mr Wheel :D
Nice 8) my lids getting a bit tired so I have been thinking of an Arai as a replacement I tried a couple on but I havent got he spare cash at the moment. I know that Liz is thinking about a new lid to.
Wandered what you think of the Arai ? compared to my Shoei XR900
I've got an Arai Astro J, which is a bit broken so I got a Shoei XR1000.
The Arai is more comfortable, but the Shoei has better vents, the visor and mechanism feel more solid and the pinlock system is excellent. Over all I think the Shoei is better, but I do miss the comfort of the Arai.same here. however the arai now has pinlock. I think i have an arai head :)
Jelster
06-02-06, 02:48 PM
There is also he possibility that before a show a manufacturer may offer SOR stock, or stock at discounted rates. So the stands are happy to make £15 a lid, as they didn't have to take the stock to the show (but mayl have to take it back) and they were going anyway.
When I used to work in the Ham Radio business we used to secure all stock of one or two models just before a show and sell it at a "controlled" price. If it didn't sell we'd still have the UK stock for a month or so. I bet some of the deals were only available on certain paint designs (they didn't bring the ones not on offer).
BTW, I have an Astro-R (Renyolds Rep) and it's a great lid....
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Astro R thank you Mr Wheel :D
Nice 8) my lids getting a bit tired so I have been thinking of an Arai as a replacement I tried a couple on but I havent got he spare cash at the moment. I know that Liz is thinking about a new lid to.
Wandered what you think of the Arai ? compared to my Shoei XR900
I have an XR1000 which is a nice quiet, comfortable lid. However, i brought the wrong size, so no its bedded in, its a bit loose but still ok. However, the Arai, fits better, but is noiser...sorry, this is my Quantum F which the Astro is replacing. Its my fav lid. I am hoping that after having my head measured i have brought the right size, and this lid becomes as comfortable as my old 'f'
My new one is the same old Plain Grey as my old one. I dont see the point of paying the extra for a race rep lid, although i like them. Shark had some interesting designs at the show
Halonic
06-02-06, 03:45 PM
ok heres an interesting take on all this
The Astro R came out in about March 2004 for £450
by the May of that year, I picked one up from the HJB stand at the BMF for £300. £100 quid cheaper then I have seen it for sale anywhere since. And that wasnt specific to one colour or size, all UK models.
And NEC this year, picked up a Schuberth S1 (again £400- 500) for £250, from the Infinity stand. Havent seen these cheaper before or since.
So either we live in a land of overly generous retailers
or margin is so damn high.......
As for the Arai, damn fine lid but noisy compared to my new one, (now I have problems hearing the revs its that quiet)
northwind
06-02-06, 03:54 PM
Stock and slow sales, Mr Halonic. if you're a shop, people expect to try on the lid before they buy, so you need to carry fairly large stocks. But you don't sell a huge amount of lids- especially with the more expensive ones- and they're spread across the whole range you carry, and the various . So you need to be sure that the ones you do sell make you enough to justify carrying the whole lot- especially with a product like helmets which get revised or updated all the time. When you buy a lid, you're not just paying for the one you buy- you're also paying for a part of the one that nobody bought.
Jelster
06-02-06, 04:00 PM
Old stock costs money..... Sell it for what you can get and take a hit on it. £350 now is better than £400 that may never arrive (and the list was £399 IRRC).
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