Bloody Ebay!!

[Last Action Pimp]

i am really annoyed now!

as you know i sold my 400/4 on ebay on sunday night, i spoke to the guy who brought it and he asked me after the auction if it had a v5, i said no but i did and i still have the bottom park because the dvla lost it (which is what happened)

he was supposed to pick it up today and when i checked my e-mails this morning it said this -

if you havent got the v5 i am affraid that i will not be buying the 400/4 after checking mine i would not be able to register it im my name. if you can get it into your name and let me know i may still be interested.

sorry

but now i have spoken to him i have told him the situation and when he phones me back i will tell him that the bottom part of the V5 is still a legal document and if he still says no he is not buying it, i will tell him that he won the auction and that is also a legal contract and if he still says no i will sue him for the money.

bloody stupid people!

[Spiderman]

tbh i'd be a bit wary of buying any bike of someone who dont have the full V5 document.
In these scary times people dont wanna run the risk of parting with money unless they are 100% sure about the purchase they are making.

I'm sure if you got a new V5 from DVLA then you would have a sale with this guy.

[Last Action Pimp]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question

[Kate]

Did you say in the action that the V5 was present or not? If you left it blank then he can't squirm out of it. I think you can report him to Ebay, class the auction as 'report unpaid' or something.

[Filipe M.]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question

He was surely expecting you to have the full documentation, just like you were expecting him to buy it with or without it...

There's someone around here with a signature that says it all, really. "Assumption is the mother..." :roll:

[Kate]

He was surely expecting you to have the full documentation, just like you were expecting him to buy it with or without it...

There is a tick box to declare whether the V5 is present or not. Its up to the buyer to clarify during the auction. Thats my assessment anyway.

[Filipe M.]

He was surely expecting you to have the full documentation, just like you were expecting him to buy it with or without it...

There is a tick box to declare whether the V5 is present or not. Its up to the buyer to clarify during the auction. Thats my assessment anyway.

Oops, didn't know about that one. Thanks for the heads-up, Kate, I stand corrected. :oops:

[Last Action Pimp]

i left it blank and didn't say anything about the V5.
i did get a couple of questions about it and i told them the situation,

i spoke to the bloke about an hour ago and he is on his way to pick it up, (he did a check with the DVLA to see if it was stolen and its not) so he is happy.

but its not over till he's given me the dosh and driven off

[Jp]

Im with the other guy on this, a missing (bit) of the V5 is an important thing to miss on the sale advert, i know he should have asked, but when the info isnt there you sort of just presume you would have one.

Especially with all the stolen bits etc that no doubtebly (SP?) flaot around on ebay.

I think Spiderman is right, just send off for a new V5 from the DVLA, it usually takes less than week at this time of year, because not that many people are changing vehicles.

[BillyC]

Why didn't you get the V5 sorted before you sold it? :-k Then you would have saved yourself, and him, all this grief.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Why didn't you get the V5 sorted before you sold it? :-k Then you would have saved yourself, and him, all this grief.

Or the buyer could have actualy read what he was bidding on before commiting to the purchase.

[Well Oiled]

Why didn't you get the V5 sorted before you sold it? :-k Then you would have saved yourself, and him, all this grief.

Wot he said. I think if I couldn't have got one in time I'd have put something in the text on the ad to explain the situation.

[Last Action Pimp]

i just never got round to it, i was going to get it before i sold it, the bottom part is still a legal document.

and i agree that you dont want to buy a stolen bike, but i had the V5 for it proving that its not stolen, also i didn't like the way inwhich the guy contacted me to say he didn't want it. a sly e-mail, i had to take a day off of work to wait for him to come and pick it up and i get an e-mail this morning saying he cant have it.

and i never presume a bike on ebay has the V5 unless it says so because many of the bikes on there dont.

[scooby2102]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question



'fraid to say that I am on the guy's side on this one, also actually detest the saying or reference to "its not my problem" in any context whether verbally or otherwise, kinda verges on being underhand

Please ignore this if you have actually stated on the eBay sale that its not available and apologies if so :wink:

If not, bad bad bad :shock:

[Spiderman]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question

I was gonna say would you have expected him to ask "are the tyres flat?", "does the clutch cable work?", "is there a huge hole in the fuel tank?" etc but seeing that he's on the way i guess its all worked out swimingly.

Just remind me if i ever buy something off you to ask all of the above ;)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question

I was gonna say would you have expected him to ask "are the tyres flat?", "does the clutch cable work?", "is there a huge hole in the fuel tank?" etc but seeing that he's on the way i guess its all worked out swimingly.

Just remind me if i ever buy something off you to ask all of the above ;)

Thats complete ********. S'cuse me. What you're suggesting is that he was dishonest. He wasnt! The buyer expected the V5 to be present when it wasnt listed as such. If in doubt he should have asked before bidding not after.

[Last Action Pimp]

if i am buying anything of ebay i want to know what exactly what i am buying, and i admit i should of put there is the bottom part of the V5 in the ad.

but i dont not have the V5 and i dont have the V5, its a very strange situation. the bit i have is still a legal document, but some people dont know that it is (when it is)
i didn't lie to him, i didn't make out that i had the full V5. i am just trying to sell a bike that has been sat in the back of my garage for ages. i wanted people to ask me thease questions so they could add other questions.

like - Does the bike come with a V5 and also . . . . . .

[BillyC]

Why didn't you get the V5 sorted before you sold it? :-k Then you would have saved yourself, and him, all this grief.

Or the buyer could have actualy read what he was bidding on before commiting to the purchase.

Read what? There was no mention of the V5, it was left blank. I'm sorry, is it too much to expect one of these when buying a legitimate vehicle?

When selling anything that isn't as you would expect, you should state very clearly what is wrong, and why.

[Spiderman]

i do undersatnd, if he had any questions he should of asked before he won the auction, not after its not my problem if he didn't ask the question

I was gonna say would you have expected him to ask "are the tyres flat?", "does the clutch cable work?", "is there a huge hole in the fuel tank?" etc but seeing that he's on the way i guess its all worked out swimingly.

Just remind me if i ever buy something off you to ask all of the above ;)

Thats complete ********. S'cuse me. What you're suggesting is that he was dishonest. He wasnt! The buyer expected the V5 to be present when it wasnt listed as such. If in doubt he should have asked before bidding not after.

:shock: calm down dear, i'm suggesting no such thing. Just that as a seller if i didnt have all the correct documents i would have said so in the ad. He says he left it blank. Why not just say so or get another before selling the bike?
From a buyers point of view, its reasonable to expect ALL the correct legal docs are present or the buyer to mention that its not.

Ive been in sales for many years and would not waste my time or cause bad feeling between me and a buyer by not explaining this in the first place.

But hey ho, i'm not the one buying it so i dont really care that much tbh.
Buyer beware and all that.

[scooby2102]

Billy C - totally agree, well put

Spider - totally agree as well - like you, have experience of working in a sales environment all me workin life (the Motor Trade) and would expect to be advised of anything wrong or documentation amiss, if the above scenario happened to me then afraid it would be a case of "see you in court mate"

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Why didn't you get the V5 sorted before you sold it? :-k Then you would have saved yourself, and him, all this grief.

Or the buyer could have actualy read what he was bidding on before commiting to the purchase.

Read what? There was no mention of the V5, it was left blank. I'm sorry, is it too much to expect one of these when buying a legitimate vehicle?

When selling anything that isn't as you would expect, you should state very clearly what is wrong, and why.

If you saw the add and where it says in big bold letters 'V5', and it didnt say present, wouldn't you question it before spending several hundred quid, not after?

[TC3]

You really should have stated that you only had the bottom part of the document....for your own interests if nothing else to prevent a situation like this arising. Yes i am stating the obvious :D but what you considered as was "not your problem" now is!

I hate it when someone uses the words "not my problem" as it is pretty selfish

[DanDare]

Whether it was advertised correctly or not the matter still remains that the full V5 isn't present. You are correct the small slip at the bottom is still a legal document.

However I cannot understand why you don't just get the copy from the DVLA or something to say it is all legit.

Surely this has happened to hundreds of people before.

[Sid Squid]

The documentation is an integral part of the vehicle, if it's not present then there should be a full and clear explanation of why not.

I think it's a buyers reasonable right to expect the docs to be present unless you have explicitly stated that they're not

This doesn't in any way excuse Mr Buyer of not asking about it, if as you say, the ad did not mention it, but importantly it doesn't excuse your unfortunate attitude to a potential buyer.

Clearly, it is your problem if you have put an obstacle - whether deliberately by design or simply unwittingly by omission - in the path of someone's confidence when they wish to give you money.

The route by which you and the buyer connect is immaterial, the lack of visible documentation is obviously likely to erode confidence in such an agreement and I genuinely can't see why you could be surprised.

[Spiderman]

The documentation is an integral part of the vehicle, if it's not present then there should be a full and clear explanation of why not.

I think it's a buyers reasonable right to expect the docs to be present unless you have explicitly stated that they're not

This doesn't in any way excuse Mr Buyer of not asking about it, if as you say, the ad did not mention it, but importantly it doesn't excuse your unfortunate attitude to a potential buyer.

Clearly, it is your problem if you have put an obstacle - whether deliberately by design or simply unwittingly by omission - in the path of someone's confidence when they wish to give you money.

The route by which you and the buyer connect is immaterial, the lack of visible documentation is obviously likely to erode confidence in such an agreement and I genuinely can't see why you could be surprised.

Why can you always say what i mean so much better than i do? You old so and so.
GET HIM OUT OF MY HEAD. MAKE HIM STOP!!! ARRRGGGH.
hehe

[BillyC]

If you saw the add and where it says in big bold letters 'V5', and it didnt say present, wouldn't you question it before spending several hundred quid, not after?

Hang on. First of all I probably wouldn't buy a vehicle from Ebay at all, it's too risky for just this kind of reason.

However, hypothetically, like yourself, if I were to bid on a vehicle from Ebay, and saw a great big gaping space next to the "V5" line... then yes, assuming I were in one of my usual cynical moods, would probably enquire as to what the situation was.

Then again, I might not... and why should I when nothing specific is mentioned about it? Yes, bidders should be very wary... but sellers also need to ultimately honest as well - particularly when there is something unusual, or unexpected about any sale - no matter what the goods.

[Viney]

So then...XVS is at fault for not obtaining a V5, and not saying that he had the bottom part of the V5 only, and the buy for being and assuming that he did have a V5 although it wasnt made clear/stated?

Six of one etc etc

Ok then, learn from it and move on....nothing to see here!

[Sid Squid]

You're welcome my dear chap.

But a bit less of the word 'old' would be nice sonny boy.

[Biker Biggles]

I firmly agree with Sid and Spidi.How often have we on here advised potential buyers to check the paperwork on any vehicle you are buying and if ANYTHING is wrong walk away.I would walk away from a deal if I found out the V5 was not as I would expect Ebay bid or not if it had'nt been clearly set out in the add.

[OF.uk]

i did get a couple of questions about it and i told them the situation,



If you were asked questions by other potential buyers why didin't you post your answers on your ebay auction for all to see then you wouldn't be in this situation :?
Also, I guess you never got round to getting hold of a full v5 because you would have to pay for it (about £19)

[21QUEST]

Totally agree with Billy , Sid , Spidey , ......

No point beating around the bush so I'll just say ' At best you were being underhand' and can't believe you have got the cheek to bleat 'Bloody Ebay'

Cheers
Ben

[Last Action Pimp]

Totally agree with Billy , Sid , Spidey , ......

No point beating around the bush so I'll just say ' At best you were being underhand' and can't believe you have got the cheek to bleat 'Bloody Ebay'

Cheers
Ben

i was not being underhand i didn't tick the box saying the V5 was present. and when i got asked the questions i thought i did but i messed up,

anyway the guy picked it up yesterday and was still very happy, i was going to reapply for a new V5 so i could sell it, but then i needed to sell it quickly because i needed the money. as for my naming of this topic i was orignally moaning at the "underhandness" of the buyer and insted of phoning me about the situation he sent me a sneaky e-mail even though i gave him my phone number for him to call me if he had any problems, by law he has still brought the item and the item was not incorrectly discribed so by law he has to buy it, and if he still refused i would of sued him for the money.

and you have to remember this isn't a £2000 sv i was selling it was a £200 project bike that wasn't running. and if i had brought a £2000 sv i would expect there to be a V5 but a project bike i would not of presumed it had any espically if the box saying V5 Present had not been ticked.

its over people go home!!

[Spiderman]

Totally agree with Billy , Sid , Spidey , ......

No point beating around the bush so I'll just say ' At best you were being underhand' and can't believe you have got the cheek to bleat 'Bloody Ebay'

Cheers
Ben
.... the "underhandness" of the buyer and insted of phoning me about the situation he sent me a sneaky e-mail even though i gave him my phone number for him to call me if he had any problems,

how on earth is it underhanded of him to use a valid form of speedy communication, and a free one at that, as opposed to your prefered method? :shock: How one sided is your view???

I really think you ought to consider your attitude to selling stuff as other future buyers may well take up your offer of a day in court.... and you may find yourself paying a lot of legal fees.

I dont think you would have stood a chance of getting any money from him thru the courts as you had failed to provide information material to his ability to buy from you.
Wether its £2k or £20 the point is that a lot of people would rather know the thing they are buying is being sold legaly.
What if he put the project together and made it road worthy and when he went to register it found out the frame and other components are on a batabase of items that have been reported as stolen to the police.

Selfish, me me me attitude you got there if you want my honest opinion mate. Like i say i hope this is a leasson for the future.