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wyrdness
09-02-06, 02:16 PM
31 points on his licence and no ban:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13504499,00.html
Should he have been banned?
I reckon that they certainly should ban him if he commits another driving offence.
Cloggsy
09-02-06, 02:25 PM
:shock: That tw@ is an accident waiting to happen :evil:
Someone gimme a shout if he comes North, I'll stay indoors :!:
Yes he should have been banned, sorry but 31 points is taking the p*ss. You can bet your bottom dollar had he been a biker he'd have been well stuffed.
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Cloggsy
09-02-06, 02:26 PM
You can bet your bottom dollar had he been a biker he'd have been well stuffed.
Indeed :evil:
31 points on his licence and no ban:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13504499,00.html
Should he have been banned?
I reckon that they certainly should ban him if he commits another driving offence.
IMO he should have been banned for sure, he would of known the supposed hardships a driving ban would impose on his family so he should have adjusted his driving accordingly & not use it as a geat out of jail free card, afraid it's just another to55er playing the system, only a few days ago on here someone had put their bike up for sale due to the thaught of how would his family cope if something happened to him, now that to me is thinking of the family & hardships they could have.
I think he's just been unlucky.
Last Action Pimp
09-02-06, 02:39 PM
i think that he should of lost it, 31 points how stupid do you have to be to rack up that many? espically if yuor job involves u using your car/bike
what a TW@
Remember as Brucey says
The More points you get, the bigger prize you get
Just goes to make a mockery of the system. They should give him a car thats restricted
mysteryjimbo
09-02-06, 02:47 PM
Did anyone get the name of his lawyer?????? :lol:
Did anyone get the name of his lawyer?????? :lol:
a mr b. elzebub apparently.
Carsick
09-02-06, 02:51 PM
Err, btw, he's only got one speeding conviction against his name and the points for that have already disappeared; the rest are insurance and license related.
Why does having alot of points make him an accident waiting to happen? Is it because he must speed alot to get them all? I speed alot and I know that most of the people I've ridden with do as well.
A guy on VD worked out that he could earn some stupid number of points on his morning commute just by riding 10mph over the limit for the journey. That's hardly the crime of the century.
I don't personally care either way whether he gets banned or not. From my reading of the article none of the current points were actually related to his standard of drivingl and presumably he's now sorted out his other legal issues.
Edit: just realised that I read this story elsewhere where there was slightly more information. try here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/09/npoints09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/09/ixhome.html)
Last Action Pimp
09-02-06, 02:55 PM
its not that he was speeding, it that he is stupid enough to get caught
its not that he was speeding, it that he is stupid enough to get caught
on that reasoning i'd have to say i'm stupid then.
Anonymous
09-02-06, 03:01 PM
its not that he was speeding, it that he is stupid enough to get caught
Woah woah there tiger.
The only difference between people with points and people without, is that they've been caught.
Ive been stopped speeding more times than i care to remember. Not through cameras.. through patrol cars in hiding. Not visible in any direction...
Lost my license now for some ludicrous length of time (yes it is my fault, yes i took the punishment on the chin and no im not complaining).
Im merely saying that you cant say "... stupid enough to get caught..." when you get caught, it just happens. Like a flash.
If you go through a camera, yeah - stupid.
If the speed trap is advertised and visible, yeah - stupid.
But if the speed trap is un-advertised, and NOT visible... it just happens.
One minute.. . :riding: :D
next second.. boys in blue are there and its :(
But yes, i agree that on this particular case... 31 points.. he should not only be banned, it should be extended retest, one hell of a fine, AND id even recommend some custodial.
Insurance and Licenses offences ridiculous... he should be punished.
Last Action Pimp
09-02-06, 03:03 PM
yes you are, joke
in some cases i can understand that it is easy to be caught out, (like cameras hiding round corners)
but 31 points is OTT, but this guy must be doing sumit right to get away with it!
Carsick
09-02-06, 03:04 PM
<big flashing sign>Not all of his points are from speeding</big flashing sign>
Last Action Pimp
09-02-06, 03:05 PM
i should of read the whole thing . . brb . .
Last Action Pimp
09-02-06, 03:11 PM
right . . read it all now!
a range of offences they must be driving related to recive them! i am just saying that you cant be caught if you don't do anything wrong, if you do you need to accept the consequences, and you are stupid to think other wise, also you are stupid if you don't see the visable gatso on the side of the road, but getting pulled after being followed by a unmarked police car/bike i can understand
mysteryjimbo
09-02-06, 03:11 PM
<big flashing sign>Not all of his points are from speeding</big flashing sign>
In fact none were.... Insurance and licence related, his speeding points are no longer valid (2001)
Carsick
09-02-06, 03:13 PM
<big flashing sign>Not all of his points are from speeding</big flashing sign>
In fact none were.... Insurance and licence related, his speeding points are no longer valid (2001)
That's what I said in my first post.
amarko5
09-02-06, 03:22 PM
If ya wanna get off with a ban
join the Freemasons :lol: :lol: :lol:
its not that he was speeding, it that he is stupid enough to get caught
Woah woah there tiger.
The only difference between people with points and people without, is that they've been caught.
Ive been stopped speeding more times than i care to remember. Not through cameras.. through patrol cars in hiding. Not visible in any direction...
Lost my license now for some ludicrous length of time (yes it is my fault, yes i took the punishment on the chin and no im not complaining).
Im merely saying that you cant say "... stupid enough to get caught..." when you get caught, it just happens. Like a flash.
If you go through a camera, yeah - stupid.
If the speed trap is advertised and visible, yeah - stupid.
But if the speed trap is un-advertised, and NOT visible... it just happens.
One minute.. . :riding: :D
next second.. boys in blue are there and its :(
But yes, i agree that on this particular case... 31 points.. he should not only be banned, it should be extended retest, one hell of a fine, AND id even recommend some custodial.
Insurance and Licenses offences ridiculous... he should be punished.
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
The guy's a twit and deserves to be banned.
admin! i shant tolerate this sort of aggressive language! if it continues i shall take my pointless posts (such as this one) and think long and hard about whether i shall return....
:P
Anonymous
09-02-06, 03:34 PM
its not that he was speeding, it that he is stupid enough to get caught
Woah woah there tiger.
The only difference between people with points and people without, is that they've been caught.
Ive been stopped speeding more times than i care to remember. Not through cameras.. through patrol cars in hiding. Not visible in any direction...
Lost my license now for some ludicrous length of time (yes it is my fault, yes i took the punishment on the chin and no im not complaining).
Im merely saying that you cant say "... stupid enough to get caught..." when you get caught, it just happens. Like a flash.
If you go through a camera, yeah - stupid.
If the speed trap is advertised and visible, yeah - stupid.
But if the speed trap is un-advertised, and NOT visible... it just happens.
One minute.. . :riding: :D
next second.. boys in blue are there and its :(
But yes, i agree that on this particular case... 31 points.. he should not only be banned, it should be extended retest, one hell of a fine, AND id even recommend some custodial.
Insurance and Licenses offences ridiculous... he should be punished.
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
No comment.
mysteryjimbo
09-02-06, 03:34 PM
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
There's more, but we wont go there! :wink:
Anonymous
09-02-06, 03:34 PM
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
There's more, but we wont go there! :wink:
More!? News to me....
Elaborate please?
mysteryjimbo
09-02-06, 03:42 PM
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
There's more, but we wont go there! :wink:
More!? News to me....
Elaborate please?
Nope. I refuse to be baited.
The info is in the "archives"
Anonymous
09-02-06, 04:21 PM
didn't you drive a car to a petrol station when not insured and banned from driving (reading through some interesting archives on forum!)
There's more, but we wont go there! :wink:
More!? News to me....
Elaborate please?
Nope. I refuse to be baited.
The info is in the "archives"
I aint baiting.. i aint bothered. Just cant remember what else there was.
I cant be bothered being baited either, hense my "no comment" post. :wink:
The Basket
09-02-06, 05:11 PM
:shock: That tw@ is an accident waiting to happen :evil:
Someone gimme a shout if he comes North, I'll stay indoors :!:
Isn't Greater Manchester north?
Cloggsy
09-02-06, 05:17 PM
:shock: That tw@ is an accident waiting to happen :evil:
Someone gimme a shout if he comes North, I'll stay indoors :!:
Isn't Greater Manchester north?
Not as far North as me mate :wink:
Biker Biggles
09-02-06, 09:42 PM
Do I detect a hint of intolerance and the odd kneejerk reaction here?Our great nation is jam packed full of stupid people(I meet them every day :lol: )but that is no excuse to demand they be banned from driving.This bloke may be a bit dim but is not a dangerous driver.
I'm more peeved about this bit tbh...
His latest appearance at Salford Magistrates' Court came after he failed to produce his insurance documents and licence.
21QUEST
09-02-06, 10:22 PM
Should he be banned?
Maybe , maybe not :? :)
I'm more peeved about this bit tbh...
His latest appearance at Salford Magistrates' Court came after he failed to produce his insurance documents and licence.
Seriously , why?
Cheers
Ben
CoolGirl
09-02-06, 10:28 PM
If he came up in front of me I'd ban him. Even though his offences weren't all related to speeding, such blatant disregard for the law is unacceptable. He had a go at defending his actions, which he is entitled to do, but FFS - being articulate, employed and remorseful isn't enough, and in my view is discriminatory.
And to follow up Jen's point, to not follow the court's instructions and produce documents, then expect leniency, is a bit bloody cheeky.
For example, we had a kid in the other day who was driving on an international license and didn't realise he needed to convert to a UK license. He was just being thick and got let off with a fine and 3 pts and told to get a proper license.
We also had some drunk drivers in, and every last one of them got banned because everyone knows you take a risk when you have more than a couple of drinks.
I'm still learning the ropes, but the logic is making good sense to me.
The Basket
09-02-06, 11:39 PM
A concern of mine in this case is one of consistancy.
One rule for one and a different rule for someone else.
21QUEST
09-02-06, 11:43 PM
And to follow up Jen's point, to not follow the court's instructions and produce documents, then expect leniency, is a bit bloody cheeky.
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According to the Telegraph ,
....It was this offence that led to his latest appearance in court and magistrates accepted that court staff failed to tell him of the hearing so he escaped a further eight points. Miss Miller said: "He had just set up a business and he was going through some emotional difficulties."
Cheers
Ben
it is easily possible to be in a situation where you lose your documents and be done for failing to produce even though you are perfectly legal.. unfortunately in the PC world we live in everyone automatically assumes that this man is the most dangerous driver in the world.. as someone said if we all had been caught for our 'offences' we'd probably all be on about 60 points. he has more than likely been unfortunate just like the woman who was caught 11 times speeding on the same road in one day when the speed limit was reduced by 10mph.
21QUEST
10-02-06, 12:18 PM
it is easily possible to be in a situation where you lose your documents and be done for failing to produce even though you are perfectly legal.. unfortunately in the PC world we live in everyone automatically assumes that this man is the most dangerous driver in the world.. as someone said if we all had been caught for our 'offences' we'd probably all be on about 60 points. he has more than likely been unfortunate just like the woman who was caught 11 times speeding on the same road in one day when the speed limit was reduced by 10mph.
Exactimundo
Cheers
Ben
Ceri JC
10-02-06, 12:25 PM
Why does having alot of points make him an accident waiting to happen?
Having a lot of points doesn't. "He was back in court later that year after accruing an additional 19 points, but magistrates allowed him to keep his licence after he cited emotional problems." would suggest he is an accident waiting to happen. If you can't control your emotions and put your daily problems to one side for the duration of a car/bike journey, or deal with the responsibility of insuring and taxing it you're a risk and shouldn't be on the road.
Is it because he must speed alot to get them all? I speed alot and I know that most of the people I've ridden with do as well.
Difference is, when I speed, my attention and concentration actually increase a great deal. Whilst we can all get caught out from time to time by coppers hiding behind hedges with radar guns that can get you at 1000 yards (although I haven't, yet, I can see how it'd happen), if you get flashed by a camera, repeatedly, you're just not paying attention IMO. If you can't spot a big fluorescent box on a stick and brake down to 30 (or whatever) in time, what are your chances of seeing a cyclist/pedestrian in matt black clothing and actually coming to a halt before you hit them?
Not saying I support cameras in any way; I maintain that they are both directly (accidents due to messed up emergency braking when people see dragons teeth) and indirectly (fewer traffic cops, so driving standards deterirorate) responsible for more accidents than they prevent. I just think people who get caught repeatedly by them are inattentive and reckless.
Part of the reason he should be banned is this,
"His latest appearance at Salford Magistrates' Court came after he failed to produce his insurance documents and licence." If you can't/won't produce on request, that alone should be a ban.
Similarly, once you get 12 points (although I would do it after 6, personally) you really need to ensure you don't get any more points till some of the old ones drop off. Sort everything, take off your illegal can, small plate, ensure your insurance, road tax, etc. is in order, do IAM and ride/drive by the book for 3 years.
Just saying, "I can't afford to lose my licence" shouldn't be any defense. If it's so important, you shouldn't take the **** with your motoring.
i say go easy on him :twisted:
i say go easy on him :twisted:
And hard on you? I agree
Spiderman
10-02-06, 02:33 PM
He obviously knows a few funny handshakes and the JPs remember him from the lodge ;)
No other sensibleexplanation is there?
Peter Henry
10-02-06, 03:05 PM
I think he should be left alone without further victimisation by the authorities,after all he is just presently highlighting what a complete ass the Law in the U.K is. The bench mark system for others to draw from,I no longer believe the British Judicial system is anymore. :?
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