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enon

13-02-06, 06:22 AM

I just got my new rear stand so i could do some basic bike stuff... oil/adjust chain, check rear wheel, change oil, etc...

Great huh? Right... thats what i said.

Its the U-Bracket type and not the kind that take spools (i didn't want to have to put spools on my bike). Anyway, it pops the bike up just fine but then slides down towards the middle of the bike and everything starts to slip side ways. Needless to say i take it down in a hurry =(. Its on a flat surface and i tried cleaning the bike and stand w/409 thinking it was a grease/oil problem but that didn't help.

Am i just doing this wrong or do i need to return it for a spool type?

Sid Squid

13-02-06, 07:53 AM

Its the U-Bracket type and not the kind that take spools (i didn't want to have to put spools on my bike).
Why ever not :?

Anyway, it pops the bike up just fine but then slides down towards the middle of the bike and everything starts to slip side ways.
This obviously shouldn't happen. Not knowing the exact stand and therefore the design of cups that you have it may just be your specific SV/cup combination that is a problem, I can't see why, but then the cup type stands just aren't as secure anyway, and what you're experiencing is quite common. The cup type stands are intended for bikes to which bobbins can't be fitted, as you have the option - all SVs have the necessary threaded holes in the swingarm - there's no obvious reason not to.

Am i just doing this wrong or do i need to return it for a spool type?Possibly, but I'd just use spools anyway, more secure and easier to use.

enon

13-02-06, 08:01 AM

I think the main problem is being a cheap bastage ;)
Spools and a Pit Bull it is! Thanks for the validation.

HEY! Anyone in the market for a cheap POS rear stand that works about as well as George W's foreign policies??!!?? :D:D

Viney

13-02-06, 09:43 AM

I use a cup style paddock stand, and never found any issues in using mine. Do the cups have rubber in them, or just plain metal?

w.steele

13-02-06, 10:17 AM

thats a nice picture enon!!! i like the look of your silver SV ;-)

northwind

13-02-06, 10:18 AM

I don't like spools myself... I find it fiddly to line them up sometimes, not a problem I ever had with the cups.

timwilky

13-02-06, 10:25 AM

I upgraded my stand to use hooks and spools I think it cost about £6 for the hooks and a further £4 for aluminium spools last month.

It is far more stable, I no longer have to mess about making sure that I am clear of the chain/torque arm etc. I was never happy lowering the bike off the stand single handed but with the new set up is is a doddle. Especially as my drive is something of a slope. In the past I have found the bike would be inclined to go its own way when putting it on/off the stand for as good clean. Now it is no problems

rictus01

13-02-06, 10:41 AM

Tris

13-02-06, 12:23 PM

apart from any problems you may have mounting the bike ( :oops: ) standard paddock stands compress the rear making any work on the suspension problematic at best.

I use one of these.

http://www.bureaunet.com/FTP/Rictus/bikestand.jpg

Cheers Mark.

I made one of these because I'd rather spend the money on fuel :wink: :wink: :wink:

The main reason though, that I needed to take the front wheel off and couldn't find anything that remotely felt safe enough without it
Tris

Demonz

13-02-06, 12:29 PM

rictus01

13-02-06, 01:09 PM

apart from any problems you may have mounting the bike ( :oops: ) standard paddock stands compress the rear making any work on the suspension problematic at best.

I use one of these.

http://www.bureaunet.com/FTP/Rictus/bikestand.jpg

Cheers Mark.

Where'd you get it from Mark - any Brand recommendations?

It's a super-pro, picked it up from a show, it's very like the ABBA stand, but you don't need the bike adapters, so it fits any bike (like the NWS stand).

Got it for £60, a couple of years back (although I've not seen them since).

Cheers Mark.

Blindly

13-02-06, 01:30 PM

I have a cup type stand and used to experience the same problem. I believe its caused because the swing arm is at a slight angle and the bike slowly rolls backwards. So I found that if I placed the cup on the rear of where the bobbins fit (don't know what these are called) instead of in front and this stopped the bike rolling backwards. As the has a natural tendency to roll backwards on a flat surface so doing this has never caused me any concern. Just don't do this with the bike pointing down hill. :-)

The only problem I've found with this is you have to be pretty accurate with the left cup so it doesn't catch the bolts that hold the rear sprocket, otherwise you cannot rotate the wheel.

Reckless Rat

13-02-06, 01:56 PM

I've used Abbastand for a while. It's best for single handed operation, stability and security. But having lost an adaptor :roll: by forgetting it on the bike and ridden off a version that doesn't use plug in adaptors would be preferable. (I've drilled and tapped mine now so the adaptor stays on the stand!)

RR

enon

13-02-06, 07:57 PM

I use a cup style paddock stand, and never found any issues in using mine. Do the cups have rubber in them, or just plain metal?

They have the little rubber pads, but they just don't stick. It might be that the rubber is to hard and thus can't provide proper grip... hrmm.. i wonder if i cut up a mouse pad or something and tried that * scratching chin *

enon

13-02-06, 08:12 PM

That is a pretty cool stand rictus01 ... although as stated prior i am a cheap ******* ;) and £60 is a good deal more than upgrading the stand to something w/spools...

hey timwilky... how did you upgrade? I was thinking about pounding them into flat right angles and going after it with my dremmil (really don't like spending money)... but if you know of a place that sells cheap parts for the cheap cup stands i'd be game for looking into it.

Blindly... I found that if i put the stand on the rear bolts it keeps the bike from sliding, but then you can't adjust the chain because the stand is then sitting on the parts that you have to adjust. Do you have a way around that?

Super mega kudos to all the input thus far guys... i really appreciate it. I'm off to cut up a mouse pad (crossing frugal fingers)

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P.S. Graphic is not of my bike... i have a nekid silver k3. I'll have a similar pic as soon as i talk my wife into stripping down into some sexy's and posing for the click-click :D

Sid Squid

14-02-06, 08:13 AM

I've used Abbastand for a while. It's best for single handed operation, stability and security.

The NWS is better, you work it with your foot, which means you can keep both hands on the bike while you lift it, and it has a back stop which prevents the stand from being toppled while you're working on the bike. I've had both stands, I'd buy the NWS again.

jambo

14-02-06, 12:05 PM

Reckless Rat

14-02-06, 01:14 PM

The NWS is better, you work it with your foot, which means you can keep both hands on the bike while you lift it, and it has a back stop which prevents the stand from being toppled while you're working on the bike. I've had both stands, I'd buy the NWS again.

Interesting, I thought foot operation would be a good alternative last time I had one of those "now how would I have done that" moments with the Abastand....
Don't think I'll go changing just yet though!

RR

enon

14-02-06, 04:52 PM

Used cups for ages without incident, be careful where you locate the cups, check the swingarm and cups are not covered in oil or similar (The only way I can imagine the bike sliding about) you got a photo of the stand and the bike on it? The people that sold you the stand should be able to supply U fittings for bobbins, and bobbins are cheap as you like!
:wink:

The place a got the stand from doesn't have much in the way of options. Granted, i'm not sure what i was expecting from EBAY. Great place... more or less (this just happens to be one of the lesses). :)

Here is the swing arm stand i'm using (mine is red)

http://upload2.postimage.org/150932/891927.jpg (http://upload2.postimage.org/150932/photo_hosting.html)

Cutting up the mouse pad worked though. the bike isn't sliding around like it use to,although i am having trust issues. I'm afraid to walk off and leave the bike to its own devices while its up, for fear that i'll come back and find it on its side! It would be a shame to drop the bike in the garage when i've managed not to do so on the street (so far *crossing fingers while touching wood and throwing salt over my shoulder*).
My U-Stand does work now (sorta)... but i think i'm going to upgrade to spools as soon as i can find the replacment parts for my stand. Thanks again for the ideas everyone, that center stand thingy was pretty cool and i didn't realize i could 'upgrade' my current one! The mucho help is very appreciated!!!! :D :D :D

timwilky

14-02-06, 05:17 PM

ok, so your an Ebayer. (Arn't we all)
take a look at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Paddock-Stand-Bobbin-Hook-Adaptors-CBR-ZXR-GSXR-YZF_W0QQitemZ8038486731QQcategoryZ25632QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUZUKI-HONDA-CBR-RR-GSXR-VFR-8mm-SWINGARM-BOBBINS_W0QQitemZ8037273663QQcategoryZ10534QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You now can lift a lot safer for £11. I have to admit the bobbins are not the most attractive. but their cheap

enon

14-02-06, 05:25 PM

HOLY CRAP!!! YOU ARE AN EBAY GOD!
That took you what... 30 seconds to find?

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

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