Speed Camaras

[furrybean]

Hey,

Anyone any idea... If a mobile manned speed camara zaps you, do they pull you over there and then or send you a NIP? Reason I ask is that I was driving home from work and saw the Tw... I mean Police man and I was doing about 36/37 but he didnt move, just looked at his little toy?

Any experience would be appretiated

Dan

[TC3]

NIP in the post is what they do

[furrybean]

Definately?!

[Supervox]

From experience I can tell you that the normal system is that your speed is recorded & an NIP sent automatically if applicable - it all depends on what they've set their equipment at.

If your speedo was registering "36 - 37" you may be lucky depending on if there's any 'speedo error' (10% overead is a reasonable figure if you have an analogue - 1-2% if digital)

Best of luck !!

[keithd]

yep

happened to me three weeks back

sorry dude.

[furrybean]

Sweet!

I got a parking ticket yesterday for an area in the middle of nowhere which had a sign miles away apparently saying it was only a few hours parking and now a speeding ticket. I know its me being dosey but it still annoys the hell outta me. A quick hundred quid to the treasurey. At least it will be put towards keeping our transport system top notch.

Sorry rant over. Maybe I'm luckey. Is it an urban myth your allowed 10% plus 2mph so if I was doing 35 I'll be okay?

Dan

[keithd]

think you may be allowed 10% plus 2mph on a dual carriageway and motorway

but not certain

[furrybean]

Ok, thanks alot guys for letting me know. I really hope my speedo is the crappest and inaccurate as hell!

Dan

[Supervox]

Sweet!

I got a parking ticket yesterday for an area in the middle of nowhere which had a sign miles away apparently saying it was only a few hours parking and now a speeding ticket. I know its me being dosey but it still annoys the hell outta me. A quick hundred quid to the treasurey. At least it will be put towards keeping our transport system top notch.

Sorry rant over. Maybe I'm luckey. Is it an urban myth your allowed 10% plus 2mph so if I was doing 35 I'll be okay?

Dan

Not exactly an 'urban myth' but a 'guideline' issued to local police forces - whether or not they follow this guideline is entirely up to them :( Some cameras are set to allow for this ie 35 in a 30 zone - however some are set AT 30 !! b*st*rds

[tigersaw]

My K5 digital speedo is pretty inaccurate - indicated 70mph is only 64/65mph - tested on long straight with both gps and mile markers. However, this is less than 10% error, which I believe is fully acceptable - I believe all speedo's over-read because they must not under-read by law.
I would imagine it would proportionally read about 32/33 for a true 30mph.

[furrybean]

Cheers guys,

I was actually in my car with is about 8 years old now and has an analogue speedo so heres hoping!!! I'm not too hopeful though now I think about it. He did stare at the gun and then my rear numberplate. What else is annoying is it's snowing really hard now and all the traffic is crawling! Ahhh well, heres looking forward to the next few weeks

Dan

[Supervox]

My K5 digital speedo is pretty inaccurate - indicated 70mph is only 64/65mph - tested on long straight with both gps and mile markers. However, this is less than 10% error, which I believe is fully acceptable - I believe all speedo's over-read because they must not under-read by law.
I would imagine it would proportionally read about 32/33 for a true 30mph.

Although not relevant in this situation, I'm not sure that the above statement is correct. When the CBR 1000 Fireblade was first introduced a number were sold with speedo's that underead - owners were nicked & fined etc & had NO RECOURSE to Honda for a 'faulty' product. If it was in fact against the law to have an undereading speedo I'm fairly certain that a string of court cases against Honda would have ensued !!

[embee]

Found this in a Hansard report from 2001

"Lord Whitty: The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, allows the use of speedometers that meet the requirements of EC Community Directive 75/443(97/39) or ECE Regulation 39. Both the EC Directive and the ECE Regulation lay down accuracy requirements to be applied at the time of vehicle approval for speedometers. These requirements are that the indicated speed must not be more than 10 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h. In production, however, a slightly different tolerance of 5 per cent plus 10 km/h is applied. The requirements are also that the indicated speed must never be less than the true speed.

A vehicle meeting these requirements would not be able to travel at a greater speed than that shown on the speedometer and a driver could not, therefore, inadvertently exceed speed restrictions. Her Majesty's Government have no plans to introduce instrument tests. "

Plus this comment referring to the ACPO guidelines

"Vehicle construction and use regulations require a vehicle speedometer accuracy to be in the range of -0->+10%. The implications are that it must never under-read - for obvious reasons - but may over-read. As the cost of manufacturing a speedometer with -0% error would be very costly they all over-read by a few percent without exception. Even if speed is measured correctly the display may not be accurate, so a speedometer error is allowed. Because of this, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) have an official formula for calculating a speeding offence. It allows a leeway of 10% plus 2mph. In reality, most speed traps are triggered at higher speeds than this because if they were set bang-on those guidelines, the sheer amount of paperwork generated would overrun the police speeding departments."

[furrybean]

Great so there is a real chance I could get away without prosecution!!! Thats made me feel better, Ta

[Gnan]

however some are set AT 30 !! b*st*rds

that is not true

[furrybean]

Just read Scoobs post about running a red light and he was saying he hasnt heard anything for 14 days. Is this the same with speeding tickets? If I've been done they'll give me the NIP within 14 days?

Cheers
Dan

[Well Oiled]

I'd be surprised if you got a ticket for an indicated 35-37. Generally 35mph is the accepted limit and your true speed was probably less than this.

[Jdubya]

I've been past the old bill at 90mph(sorry officer :oops: ) before and not been nicked :wink:

Granted this was while he was assessing my riding and I was overtaking on the motorway after he'd just done the same

[t3dders]

Hey,

Anyone any idea... If a mobile manned speed camara zaps you, do they pull you over there and then or send you a NIP? Reason I ask is that I was driving home from work and saw the Tw... I mean Police man and I was doing about 36/37 but he didnt move, just looked at his little toy?

Any experience would be appretiated

Dan


I'm one of those Tw.., as you put it, however i'm not a Traffic Officer and am pleased to tell you this is not my speciality.

If the manned speeding device that clocked you was a safety partnership camera operation, then these are run by civilians who are employed by the local Police force. As a rule of thumb a safety partnership camera is usually not as leniant as a Police Officer using a hand held laser gun, as they will use a certain amount of discretion with each case.

All you can do is sit tight for 14 days and hope that NIP doesn't come through...

[Gnan]

i thought the only person qualified to judge whether a vehicle is exceeding a speed limit prior to the use of HO type-approved equipment to corroborate that opinion is a Police officer, not a civvy?

[tigersaw]

Civilian radar speed operators - don't get me started...
Bunch of old dads army farts with authority wannabee status. They usally hang around here in their mis-sized loaned yellow jackets just at the point where the 30mph zone kicks in, right on the border. Whilst I generally respect the police, these lot get the abuse and heckling they deserve.

[Jelster]

I got a ticket for 36 in a 30 :evil: Fixed GATSO unit.

It was my fault, I know the camera is there, I just wasn't paying attention and talking to my son (I was in the wifes car :lol: ).

Everybody complains, including me, but we have to face up to the reality that they are here to stay, so you just have to learn to live them.

.

[Ed]

No they won't stop you, they just plug the videotape intop a machine & generate a NIP automatically. Personal expereince :(

[Grinch]

Been past at 130... I got nicked.

[furrybean]

Well two days to go, I reckon it was about 4.30 Last Friday (3rd) afternoon so will that make Friday be the 14th day? The wait is excutiating!!!

[furrybean]

There we go, it was 14 days today when I got done, does that mean I'm in the clear? Where did the 14 days come from, is it an official thing?

Dan

[Gnan]

yes, by law they have 14 days from date of the alledged offence to send the RK of the vehicle the NIP. i'd give it until monday just in case the post has been funny - i think they could legally have posted it today and it still be valid.

as someone said - 36/37 indicated is likely to be about 34 actual - the generally accepted prosecution threshold is 35, so you probably scraped it. :)

it is possible to get booked for 31 by a traffic cop in a car with a calibrated speedo though, so watch it ;)

[Anonymous]

however some are set AT 30 !! b*st*rds

that is not true

Oh yes it is buddy!

Trust me.. first hand experience.

:cry:

[Gnan]

how can they possibly be set at 30 when that is a legal speed to be travelling at?

[Supervox]

how can they possibly be set at 30 when that is a legal speed to be travelling at?

Sorry, bad choice of phrasing . . .

. . . I SHOULD have said that some camera's are set to trigger if the vehicle is travelling OVER 30mph (as opposed to the majority that are set to trigger at over 35 or 38 etc)

[Ratty]

Dan

Where was the camera located? Is it a regular spot? I pass through your way quite a bit when I'm playing out.

Ratty

[furrybean]

Hey Ratty, it was a temporary camera in Chapel, just by Canbera Cars. If your ever riding through Whaley give us a PM Matey though!

[Ratty]

Hey Dan

I ride through there all the time. Long Hill is my favorite road. I was even looking to see if I could afford to move up there. We were looking at a house on the net that is at the bottom of Long Hill. New Road I think. My Bandit riding brother in law lives in New Mills.

Ratty

[furrybean]

No probs matey, I live just at the bottom of Long Hill, on Macc Rd. PM me if your passing!

On the speeding ticket, day 15 and still no word. I think I got away with it!!! \:D/

[furrybean]

Three weeks and nothing, Happy days! :drink:

[lew893]

I got done doing 34 in a 30 zone in Middlesbrough in my scirocco about 5 years ago they were prosecuting for 33 and above for a short period! I was accelerating at the time mind I had just come out of a junction and I was going to be late for a job interview!! :evil:

[Gnan]

police car?

[lew893]

No mobile speed cammera van parked behind a transit van! :(

[Gnan]

you sure it wasn't a police van as they didn't start mobile speed camera partnerships til 2002.. reason i ask is that police should stick to ACPO guidelines, but the safety camera ones don't have to.

[lew893]

there was a copper inside but the van was all white nothing else on it.