Chelsea/England oh dear!

[Peter Henry]

Well every year the World Cup tournament comes around we English always get rather bullish don't we? There have many who have sung the praises of John Terry,great defender etc,etc,blah,blah.

I have to admit that John love him or loathe him does perform very well normally for Chelsea but tonight in Barcelona my worst fears for an England defence were highlighted and big time.

Terry is a powerful figure who achieves more by his reading the game rather than his skill or speed. Plus he has that very outdated chest pumping B:S: that so many British football fans feel marks a star.


However he was undone and then some by 3 seconds of magic by Ronaldinho.

Ronaldinho is not the most powerful of guys to look at him and when he received the ball on the edge of the Chelsea penalty area,one would have thought that there were enough defenders to subdue the threat? Sorry, wrong!

Terry attempted nothing more than a crude body charge and was left on his a*se as Ronaldinho rolled off the impact and slotted the ball home.

God help England if we have players with skill running at the likes of Terry close to our box in the World Cup.

*This is of course purely my own personal opinion*

[keithd]

i have to say peter thats possibly the biggest pile of toss i've ever seen you type!!

terry IS a good defender, he's faster than anybody gives him credit, his reading of the game is exempelary (sp!) and he was superb last night.

so let me get this right, you're slaughtering him on the genius/skill/call it what you will of the best player in the world? jeez you're one harsh critic!

[Iansv]

but did you see his nice mrfalloverman impression for the penalty :lol: :lol:

Can't believe the ref gave it

[keithd]

but did you see his nice mrfalloverman impression for the penalty :lol: :lol:

Can't believe the ref gave it

again i take issue with that! he was trying to kick the ball, the barca player got in the way and terry kicked his foot, his momentum took him down. no way was he trying to get a penno nor did he dive! i agree it was no way a pen but it wasn't a dive either.

bliemy, you'd think i was a chelsea supporter wouldnt you !! :shock:

:D

[cuffy]

i have to say peter thats possibly the biggest pile of toss i've ever seen you type!!

terry IS a good defender, he's faster than anybody gives him credit, his reading of the game is exempelary (sp!) and he was superb last night.

so let me get this right, you're slaughtering him on the genius/skill/call it what you will of the best player in the world? jeez you're one harsh critic!I agree with keithd, best defender in the premiership at the moment.

Anyway the biggest joke of the night was Didier dogpoo...the bloke is an embaressment to english football and to chelsea, he nearly cost chelsea a goal with his pathetic play acting again, cant remember which player it was but he touched the useless excuse of a centre forward in the chest and he goes down quicker than a cheap *****...holding his face, all while barcelona are mounting another attack....and who cleared the danger???...JT...say no more, the bloke is a legend. :notworthy: :notworthy:

And as for Jose saying that chelsea were the better team over 2 legs,i think he needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

And yes i do support chelsea :thumbsup:

Anyway thats my rant over with...and if on the off chance Mr Mourinho owns a SV and he's reading this...please sell that hopeless idiot up front and stick with crespo n eidhur....many thanx :D

[Jelster]

Mourinho is Cheleas biggest downfall, although he "can be" a fantastic Manager. He's got his head so far up his own backside that he's actually started to believe his own hype....

Jose, put your stupid antics to one side, get on with the football, and get rid of that plonker Drogba.....

From an ardent Gooner....

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[Filipe M.]

Mourinho is Cheleas biggest downfall, although he "can be" a fantastic Manager. He's got his head so far up his own backside that he's actually started to believe his own hype...

Oy, I resent that! :? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cloggsy]

I take it they lost then :?:

[quikstu]

England not gonna do well in the World Cup? :(

Awww, thats a shame.


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[Jelster]

Morin is Cheleas biggest downfall, although he "can be" a fantastic Manager. He's got his head so far up his own backside that he's actually started to believe his own hype...

Oy, I resent that! :? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I take it that not everybody from Portugal is so arrogant then :lol:

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[Addick]

quikstu

Who are you going to be cheering for at this World Cup then ? :cry:

Same as 2002 or stick a pin in the map

Addick

[Peter Henry]

Keith...Before ranting like I just insulted your mother,perhaps read more closely that which you are reacting to.

I totally agree that John Terry is indeed a great defender in the Premier League. However my point was to draw attention that up against international class attackers that offer a little more than just brawn...he will have his undoing.

Plus no matter how one feels about John Terry his attempted tackle/body check on Ronaldinho presented an opportunity that should never have arisen. As brilliant as Ronaldinho is, there are many other forward players that have enough guile to have evaded that 1960's muddy pitch type of challenge.

*Maybe that might exceed my previous "toss"*

Cuffy...I am no fan of Drogba at all but he was used in the lone striker role,(a tactic I believe that was flawed on the night when you are chasing two goals) this is extremely difficult to play as you are always outnumbered any time the ball gets anywhere near you.

[Conrad Poons]

And what of the World's 2nd best player then? M.I.A., again.

[Peter Henry]

Conrad...Oh yeah old Frankie was a big star last night wasn't he? :lol:

[keithd]

Keith...Before ranting like I just insulted your mother,perhaps read more closely that which you are reacting to.

I totally agree that John Terry is indeed a great defender in the Premier League. However my point was to draw attention that up against international class attackers that offer a little more than just brawn...he will have his undoing.

Plus no matter how one feels about John Terry his attempted tackle/body check on Ronaldinho presented an opportunity that should never have arisen. As brilliant as Ronaldinho is, there are many other forward players that have enough guile to have evaded that 1960's muddy pitch type of challenge.

*Maybe that might exceed my previous "toss"*

Cuffy...I am no fan of Drogba at all but he was used in the lone striker role,(a tactic I believe that was flawed on the night when you are chasing two goals) this is extremely difficult to play as you are always outnumbered any time the ball gets anywhere near you.

acting like you insulted my mother? had you done that i'd have sent you a PM. maybe because there was no use of any "wacky" emoticons my tone was misinterpreted. calm down, you put up a post on a public board therefore you open yourself to replies whether you agree with them or not

[Conrad Poons]

Conrad...Oh yeah old Frankie was a big star last night wasn't he? :lol:

What annoyed me was the commontators on ITV making excuses for him saying he was playing a holding role. No he wasn't, it's just when the team he is in is not dominating he becomes 10% of the player. The other problem Chelsea (and some degree therefore England) have is that Makele gets through the donkey work of about 3 players for them and masks the defficincies of both Lampard and Terry. If England are to use them to the best of their abilites then Scott Parker should be one of the first names on the team sheet as he's the closest thing to Makele we have. IMO obviously...

But what do I know, I'd drop Beckham too...

[cuffy]

Cuffy...I am no fan of Drogba at all but he was used in the lone striker role,(a tactic I believe that was flawed on the night when you are chasing two goals) this is extremely difficult to play as you are always outnumbered any time the ball gets anywhere near you.I couldn't agree more, IMHO i think Mourinho's tactics were wrong from the start, considering he was chasing the game he should've gone out with a more attacking formation, why use Lampard in a holding role when he is by far the best attacking midfielder they have, Duff was a waste of space should've had wright philips on from the start, crespo is a far more effective player than drogba he'll go looking for the ball where as dogpoo gives up the ghost...and as for JT's challenge on ronaldinho for the goal had that been out on the touchline or in the box he wouldve gone down like a sniper hit him.....but thats why he's footballer of the year he's got the brain and quickness of feet to take an oppurtunity..bloody good goal if you ask me.
I've no gripes what so ever about the result, we were beaten by a classier side and a manager who knows his tactics, hope they go on too win it. :thumbsup:

[Peter Henry]

keith...It would take far more than your comments in response to a post about football to wind me up. The whole point of the thread was to generate comment about what was and is always going to be a subjective topic. Therefore absolutely certain that differences of opinion would be written which I am pleased to see,(which flies in the face of the thinking of certain dwellers of the M:T: who seem to beieve that I have an opinion that any comment or view I pass is beyond reproach)

John Terry is indeed a very good performer in the Premier League....however not every good player on the world scene plays there! This is my concern rather than criticism of Terry. I want to see England do well in Germany but I do have my concerns. :wink:

Drop Beckham? As Real madrid's consistanly best performer ina so far horrid season,with a few goals and numerous assists I have to suggest to do without him would be foolish.Despite his status he also works very hard for his team. I do not know of anyone else in the England squad that could deliver the ball so regularly in to the opposition penalty area.

I stand to be corrected on all point made however. :wink:

[quikstu]

quikstu

Who are you going to be cheering for at this World Cup then ? :cry:

Same as 2002 or stick a pin in the map

Addick

I'll be cheering for numerous folk as I'll be there to do it! 8)
Eight of us are going & will just buy tickets for the "smaller" games as they come.

More of an experience than anything else. Cannot wait.
:D :D :D :D

All previous posts are in jest. Who am I to talk! :wink:

[Filipe M.]

Morin is Cheleas biggest downfall, although he "can be" a fantastic Manager. He's got his head so far up his own backside that he's actually started to believe his own hype...

Oy, I resent that! :? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I take it that not everybody from Portugal is so arrogant then :lol:

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Nah, that's "the Special One" trademark... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Droc]

As usual, it's good to see there's so many people that know better than Mourinho & Co. :roll:

I'm just surprised that Peter Henry hasn't managed to bring his Ducati into this thread yet :?

[Jelster]

As usual, it's good to see there's so many people that know better than Mourinho & Co. :roll:

I'm just surprised that Peter Henry hasn't managed to bring his Ducati into this thread yet :?

I never said "I know better", in fact I'll go on record as saying that he is generally a brilliant manager (almost as good as Wenger). But I wish he'd concentrate on what he does best and just STF up at times. He makes himself look like a right w*nker and it doesn't do the club any favours...

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[Filipe M.]

As usual, it's good to see there's so many people that know better than Mourinho & Co. :roll:

I'm just surprised that Peter Henry hasn't managed to bring his Ducati into this thread yet :?

I never said "I know better", in fact I'll go on record as saying that he is generally a brilliant manager (almost as good as Wenger). But I wish he'd concentrate on what he does best and just STF up at times. He makes himself look like a right w*nker and it doesn't do the club any favours...

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The stuff he did with FCPorto was nothing short of amazing, he basically took a team which was fubar and in 2 years time he led them to win the European Championship.
The guy clearly knows his football, and from what I hear from people who know him, he uses arrogance as some sort of self-defense. :? But I have too agree he uses it to an extremely annoying extent... :? to say the least...

[Droc]

whooooooa there Mr Jelster - wasn't aimed at you :wink:

I just find it amusing how many experts we have, especially with the benefit of hindsight.

it's quite easy to state that the lone striker was a bad idea after Chelsea have lost. There would be just as strong an arguement to suggest that if they had played two up front, this would have exposed them further, and the game be out of sight in the first 20 minutes. Then there would be the same people in here slating the 'gung-ho' tactics.

And lol at PH :?

[Peter Henry]

Droc...Your comment means exactly what?
You obviously have problems. Kn*b.

I think Jose´is a fine manager and tactician although his game plan was I think ill advised last night. Better to have tried and failed in my opinion by using the two striker option. But yes everyone is entitled to their own view and the power of hinsight is a wonderful thing.
His footballing credentials are indeed excellent and is for me one of the best in europe alongside Arsen Wenger and Rafa Benitez. However I do believe that he has a tendency to play to his public arrogant persona way too much, which leads people to over look what other factors he brings to the game.

If you want to see how a manager should conduct himself,one that has undivided loyalty of his players,fans and directors of the club....then look no further than Frank Rijkaard. He turned around a rudderless ship at the Nou Camp,(not immediately I hasten to add) and deserves all of the success he gets. Excellent footballing brain and very nice guy.

J:M: is not rubbish and nor are Chelsea based on one defeat in europe,in fact they have lost against one of the two top teams in europe at the moment,the other being Juventus.

[Conrad Poons]

Drop Beckham? As Real madrid's consistanly best performer ina so far horrid season,with a few goals and numerous assists I have to suggest to do without him would be foolish.Despite his status he also works very hard for his team. I do not know of anyone else in the England squad that could deliver the ball so regularly in to the opposition penalty area.

I stand to be corrected on all point made however. :wink:

Pete: Did you see Beckhams excellent deliveries last night?? (Joke, I do realise he has been quite excellent for Madrid). My point about dropping him for England is that we bow down to accommodate the players when, personally, I feel Englands best chance of success would be the following midfield:
J. Cole - Lampard - Parker - Gerrard.
Cole has been a revelation this season, playing Parker will let Lampard free to try an emulate his Premiership form and Gerrard has been (once again) outstanding playing right side for Liverpool - deliveries that can match Beckhams plus much (MUCH) more of a goal threat.
Quite how we then accomodate Shaun Wright-Philips in all this remains to be seen.

[Stig]

Football's crap :!:

[jonboy]

Until it turns into a polo-like sport with motorbikes and weapons, I'm not interested :twisted: :lol:

As soon as you get it organised Lee, let me know as I'm in. ;)

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[Jelster]

Quite how we then accomodate Shaun Wright-Philips in all this remains to be seen.

I think Chelsea also have that problem :lol:

As much as it pains me to say it, England would be less than the sum of its parts without Beckham. He's a hardworking highly skilled footballer who is probably the best crosser of the ball from the right.

He is also one of those players that can produce you something just when you need it... Remember the game against Greece ? Who else would you rather have taking a free kick in that situation ?

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[jonboy]

Football's crap :!:

How can just two words be so true? :lol: .


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[Conrad Poons]

As much as it pains me to say it, England would be less than the sum of its parts without Beckham. He's a hardworking highly skilled footballer who is probably the best crosser of the ball from the right.

He is also one of those players that can produce you something just when you need it... Remember the game against Greece ? Who else would you rather have taking a free kick in that situation ?

Gerrard is probably doing just as well from the right. And ask Liverpool fans about his ability to produce something from nothing (albeit more from open play). I just feel there are players that offer more both individually and would as a unit than putting Beckham in. IMO you still need an out and out holding midfield player which would mean dropping one of Lampard, Gerrard or Beckham and looking at their goals and assists for their clubs I think it's Beckham that has to go. Mind you, it's all crap really as even if we all agreed on this way, Sven wouldn't have the balls to do it.

[Sid Squid]

Football's crap :!:

How can just two words be so true? :lol: .


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Using the apostrophe and s as a contraction for is then that makes three words.

Call it 2.5 'cos I'm feeling generous.

[jonboy]

Pedant! :lol:



Bugger :oops: .

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[amarko5]

football is crap :!:

the three truest words ever :lol: :lol: :lol:

[jonboy]

But that's five :lol: .


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[amarko5]

not anymore :lol: :lol: