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paulthewitt
09-03-06, 09:04 AM
i am looking out for my first big bike in anticipation of passing my test. i have been riding for 2 and a half years on 125cc bikes (one sportsbike)
my main question would be:
would a litre V-twin be too much. i have looked at sv650's, cant find one. but am constantly seeing TL1000s' go for money i can afford. they are gorgeous.
would i kill myself?
obviously they will only go as fast as i say, and i would look at sorting the rear. people say they are "not for beginners". however, im not a beginer, just a big step up.
so, providing i am responsible (can control my right wrist!!) is it a viable option???
thanks
Paul
dirtydog
09-03-06, 09:16 AM
Anything is a viable option! Insurance may be a factor i know it was with me which is one of the reasons i went for the sv- the cost of running it was pretty low. I'd say stick it out there are normally quite a few sv's in mcn, bike trader etc.
i am looking out for my first big bike in anticipation of passing my test. i have been riding for 2 and a half years on 125cc bikes (one sportsbike)
would a litre V-twin be too much.
Yes
would i kill myself?
Yes.
Seriously, don't do it. I nearly went that root but am so glad I didn't. The SV650 is more than enough as a next step up, don't think it hasn't got any power, cos it has, plenty. Don't think it won't be big time fun, cos it will, and I do mean big time fun.
Plus the cost of the insurance etc for the SV1000 is an awful lot more.
Taking the 650 for a test ride is probably the best solution.
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paulthewitt
09-03-06, 09:23 AM
thanks for replies. keep em coming
would really like to hear from someone who did this step. (if they exist)
as for insurance. its about the same as a 600 sports bike
Paul
fizzwheel
09-03-06, 09:27 AM
I went from a 125 that I had been riding for about 10 months to a SVS650, the first time opened the throttle on the SV on an open bit of road I sh*t myself.
If I was you I wouldnt go down the Litre twin route just yet. The 650 is a big enough jump to get used to and its plenty of bike to have fun on.
Have you looked on www.biketrader.com theres normally loads of SV's on there ?
As jonboy says a test ride of a 650 and 1000 is probably a good idea then you can see for yourself what they are like
Good luck, new bike shopping is always fun 8)
thanks for replies. keep em coming
would really like to hear from someone who did this step. (if they exist)
If they still exist ;).
as for insurance. its about the same as a 600 sports bike
Not from what I've seen, I think you'll find it's a fair bit more as it's a higher group.
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fizzwheel
09-03-06, 09:34 AM
I got some quotes from ebike
K6 GSXR600 £400
K6 SV1000S £450
both fully comp, alarmed and garaged overnight, I'm 32 with 2 years no claims
Insurance is probably doable.
My brother went from a NC35 RVF400 to an Aprillia RSVR Millie, he's been riding nearly 5 years and he said it was a huge jump and it took him ages to get used to the extra BHP.
Filipe M.
09-03-06, 09:37 AM
I went from a 125 that I had been riding for about 10 months to a SVS650, the first time opened the throttle on the SV on an open bit of road I sh*t myself.
If I was you I wouldnt go down the Litre twin route just yet. The 650 is a big enough jump to get used to and its plenty of bike to have fun on.
Exactly what he said... I went from a 4 month experience on an anemic Yamaha SR250 to the SV650S. First time I opened the throttle I went "ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :shock: " and kept wondering why would anyone ever want more power in a bike.
I've had mine for almost a year now and still think it's more than enough for a "serious" bike.
Just my €0.02.
That surprises me. Well good news then. SV1000, hmmm... I wonder if Mrs jonboy could be persuaded - on second thoughts I think I already know the answer :( :lol: .
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dirtydog
09-03-06, 10:02 AM
I've kind of worked my way up through engine size ove the last 10 years, I went from a sports 125 to a import ss400 and i almost sh*t myself every time i opened it up :oops:
DanAbnormal
09-03-06, 10:20 AM
Hey Paul,
I rode a paltry gs 125 for about a year before passing my full test. I then went and bought myself a Zephyr 550. I thought it was the quickest thing in the world and I could not really ride it properly. After that I had a vfr 800 and a zx-7r which was a huge step even from the 550. I would say the 650 is enough for your first step into the big bike world. I would never even consider a TL1000S or R even now. They have a very chequered past, with the S model being branded the 'widow maker'. I've just bought an sv650s and can honestly say I find it a great all rounder and still plenty of oomph to keep me happy, plus it sounds sweet. So for you I'd say it's more than enough for now. Get it, learn and enjoy it.
Dan
Get whatever you want. If you think you have the restraint to ride a litre bike, then get it. They have better everything (generally) and can still be a good tool to learn on. If you are confident you have enough restraint to learn on it before going banzai, then get it.
My £0.02
Hi Paul,
I had a similar dilemma when I passed my test 6 months ago. I tested a Yamaha Thunderace (1000cc) and it scared the hell out of me......awesome bike but way too much power for a first big bike. I, like you, had also been riding 125cc for 2 years. In the end I went for a Yamaha Thundercat (600cc version) and it was a brilliant bike, loads of power (98bhp), really good brakes and cheap to run and insure. I sold it 2 weeks ago for a 1999 SV650, and even though it has less power, it's an even more fun bike to ride. It's good over long distances and excellent in traffic (pulls away really well from the lights :wink: . If I were you I'd go for the sv650....get to know it and how to ride a bigger bike, then progress upto a litre machine.
Cheers,
Paul
Ceri JC
09-03-06, 11:32 AM
Bear in mind the TL's nickname is "The Widowmaker" and you might want to give serious consideration to not getting one straight away. :) Also, if you're coming from a 125cc, the SV will already be a huge leap. Get the TL if you want, but it's a bit overkill for someone in your position (no pun intended) IMO.
My SV1000 insurance renewal has just come through - £295 with breakdown/legal etc from Carole Nash :D - reckon I should be able to get them down to £250.
I would suggest test riding a 125, a 650 and a 600/1000.
I think my thoughts as a newbie would probably be:-
125 - bugger all
650 - bugger me
1000 - bugger that
If you want to get a 600/1000 then we will probably not dissuade you - however most of us that have had some experience would not recommend it.
My first bike was a sv650, and I had a few close shaves due to my own stupidity and lack of experience - had I gone straight onto a 600/1000 then I think there would have been even more with more serious consequences.
Good luck and stay safe.
Just what everyone else has said, 125 to an SV650 is a big jump, a 125 "sportbike" is a milltion miles away from a 1000cc supersports bike.
Now haveing gone from a 125 to the SV to a litre bike, there is a lot of difference between all 3. You can open the throttle on the sv and pretty much get away with it, the front wont lift and the back wont spin (Unless you are **really** giveing it some abuse, and you do have to try to do that!)
Open the throttle a bit quick on the way out of a corner on a litre bike and your be coming out sideways. Or open it up on a stright and be either looking at the sky or spinning the back up.
Anyway, good luck!
Dan
paulthewitt
09-03-06, 12:41 PM
i would get a maxton rear shock for the reported problems.
That surprises me. Well good news then. SV1000, hmmm... I wonder if Mrs jonboy could be persuaded - on second thoughts I think I already know the answer .
why tell her....she'll probably think its the same bike! has 2 wheels doesnt it!!
my main problem isnt finding sv's. its finding reasonably priced ones. they just dont seem to exist around here. TL's are goin for around £2k. for the lower money i could afford the insurance. and consumables.
suprised at the amouint of responses this has!!
im still listening
Paul
On nice straight smooth bits of dual carriageway I am getting a bit bored of the SV now. I want something with a bit more of a rush to it.
However every now and then I open her up as I hit a bump or something and the front comes up and it goes into a head shaker and it gives me a right little scare although I find it more exciting than frightening.
Going from a 125 you would probably find the SV shockingly quick to start with but after a month or so you will yearn for more.
I will lose a lot of money px'ing my SV so it would have been cheaper to get a quicker bike to start with.
My advice is to get an SV1000 or 600IL4 but just control yourself and take it steady to start with. When you think you are getting the hang of it is when it will be at its most dangerous so watch out. Loads of people get bikes like that without even having a couple of years experience on a 125 and most of them are still alive to tell the tale.
Flamin_Squirrel
09-03-06, 01:13 PM
My advice is to get an SV1000 or 600IL4 but just control yourself and take it steady to start with. When you think you are getting the hang of it is when it will be at its most dangerous so watch out. Loads of people get bikes like that without even having a couple of years experience on a 125 and most of them are still alive to tell the tale.
Yeah, they're the ones who tare off past you down the straights, but you catch them up 30 seconds later wobbling round a corner :lol:
paulthewitt, imo, if you want to learn to go fast round corners get the SV, if you want to go fast down the straight, get something bigger.
Jelster
09-03-06, 01:44 PM
Many on here (including myself) had an SV after passing the DAS. It's a good bike to start with, especially if you like the idea of a sportsbike. The SVS gives you some of that feeling in the riding position and it's excellent hadling.
It was 4 and a half years ago when I did my DAS, and I'm now on a FireBlade, but I built up to it. My goal always was a decent sportsbike, which I have achieved. I now also have a naked SV as well (lucky me 8) ). So, as others have said, work up to it. Get yourself a used SVS, learn how to ride it properly, take the IAM, do some track days and in 12 months time re-asses your situation.
I kept my SVS for 13 months, went to a litre twin, didn't like it, went to a 600 Supersport, and then to the FireBlade. It's been a great education, but those first 9 or so months on the SV were the most important.
Whatever you do, don't feel pressured into it, and make sure it's what you want to do. Most of all, have fun !
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paulthewitt
09-03-06, 02:03 PM
im not being pressurised into it, quite the opposite.
i am aware that i should be going to uni next year, so this bike will have to last me 3 - 4 years at least. i dont want to get bored. i also wont have the money to change once i have this next bike (but will be able to cover running costs)
i also do intend to do a couple of trackdays, and IAM or similar is at the top of my list once i get fairly used to the bike.
i find what flamin squirrel said amusing as i am just that, good at going fast, but only in a straight line. i can go round corners, im just not a knee down guru...hence the intention of track days.
jelsters post is useful, toypop, i feel has captured the sentiment of some of my concerns
Paul
Jelster
09-03-06, 02:13 PM
If you have set your heart on a traditional sports bike, look at a used Honda CBR600F (not the RR). It is very mild mannered but can also keep up with mainstream sportsbikes. It's very practical and at the same time, it's a sports machine.
Personally, I think it'll be easier to learn to ride on a twin, they're more responsive at low revs and with the SV you get a well balanced bike.
Like I said, make sure you're happy with any bike before you part with your cash, as you've got to ride it.
.
My first ever bike was the SV650S and many people said I was stupid for going for such a big bike as my first bike. Luckily for me, the SV is a generous bike and is very forgiving.
I would suggest test riding an SV before deciding anything. You could have a word with Itchin To Go, he has had a TL1000S in the past and currently has got a TL1000R and he can fill you in on reliability and running costs. I believe they are very thirsty bikes so running costs can be high, also if you are going to be a student then you may end up in not so nice area's and insurance might well be a problem. If you can't garage it and keep it out of sight then the insurance company are going to kick up a fuss.
At the end of the day, if you have your heart set on a TL then thats that isn't it? Most people I think end up on an SV for a couple of years before upgrading so if you have to wait 3-4 years before you can change then maybe something else, as Toypop said, maybe a 600.
Whatever you do, I would suggest getting a few test rides in before making up your mind.
Professor
09-03-06, 02:39 PM
would really like to hear from someone who did this step. (if they exist)
Paul
My suggestion is that Paul goes straight for a 1 litre Gixxer but starts up a blog
from day one. This will be most educational for the wider biking community and
will fill a gap in existing literature.
On a serious note, my neighbour, a born again biker, went straight for a GSX1400
and after 4 years and several close shaves he is still with us. So in principle
it is possible to go straight for a really big bike and live to tell the tale.
amarko5
09-03-06, 02:42 PM
why stop at a litre bike :roll:
go get a turbo hyabusa :lol: they are good in a straight line :P
Serious head here, If you feel you have the restraint and confidence to ride a litre bike then go get one. :?
however saying that, it is a very rare thing :? that level of restraint :wink: before long there will be some pratt buzzing you and annoying you into a race, or just some riding buddies goading you along. it will happen and as you have already stated those corners are not your best fort'e.
my advice (a biker of some xx years :lol: ok then 27 years and still here) I would work up slowly the sv650 is a peach of a bike and would soon involve you especially in the twisty sections of road :twisted: and another thing it is well capable of grossly indecent speeds ie circa 130mph, so i fail to see how it would be boring on dual carriageways :?:
sometimes things you read on here beggar belief.
take it easy and only you can decide (but do test drive them and liten to voices of reason) :wink:
paulthewitt
09-03-06, 03:41 PM
My suggestion is that Paul goes straight for a 1 litre Gixxer but starts up a blog
from day one. This will be most educational for the wider biking community and
will fill a gap in existing literature.
:lol: :lol:
a gixxer wouldnt do, my back would be killing me!!! :roll:
i would love to have the luxury of upgrading with experience. and i do know the TL would be a HUGE jump. i would have to be very careful.
to be honest, whether or not i can find an affordable bike (SV, TL, etc...) may be the decider.....
would still love to hear from someone who bought a tl (or similar) after a 125.....if they still exist!
Paul
i would love to have the luxury of upgrading with experience. and i do know the TL would be a HUGE jump. i would have to be very careful.
No.
Going from a 125 to an SV is a HUGE jump and you have to be very careful.
Going from a 125 to a TL is asking for it IMHO.
Dan
fizzwheel
09-03-06, 04:15 PM
I think the other thing to bear in mind, is that all the TL's are knocking on a bit in age now. Whilst you might be able to find a cheap one chances are its going to need money spending on it to get it up to scratch. Whereas the SV is more common and newer ones can be had for reasonable money £2500 to £3000 buys alot of SV so you wont end up shelling out a fortune in garage bills.
paulthewitt
09-03-06, 04:53 PM
as you say £2500 or more gets a lot of sv, the TLS is costing £2000 for a nice example. low miles etc...
its probably reputation that makes it cheap. as all the reviews from past and present owners are good.
Paul
DanAbnormal
09-03-06, 04:53 PM
I don't know if this will help you, it may just confuse you more....but.......I've also owned 2 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-7R's. One of the finest handling sportsbike's in history, the most stable front end from stock that you could wish for. I spent a fortune on knee sliders as this bike just corners like an absolute rocket (get to the point dammit!). Ok, my point is this: I've just bought myself a 06 plate SV650S. I do roughly 70 miles per day all on the bike so it made a lot of sense to buy something sensible and cheap to run/insure/service/repair should something go wrong. All I can say is that I went up the bike ladder very quickly, in fact the SV is bike number 10 in less than 3 years (lots of bad luck!). I was not expecting much from the SV in all honesty and I am very impressed with it. It handles really well and you can get your knee down easily (technique permitting). I know I've only owned it for a week or so but I am having a right laff on it. I will certainly be keeping it for at least a year and will do a few trackdays and lots of weekends. You also need to think about long term costs of running the bike. Take the figure you think you have in your mind and double it. The SV is very wise choice. But it's your decision at the end of the day, do what makes you happy. Best of luck.
Dan
just seen this thread!
this guy is my brother and ive been telling him the 650 route, and told him to ask on here (nice to see he/you listened)
thankyou for telling him he is likely to at least have close calls, possibly bad ones....
keep going, please :lol:
they are right paul (listen to the voices...no, not the loud ones...the sensible ones...ok one in your head :P )
andy
wyrdness
09-03-06, 05:16 PM
You say that you need a bike that will last 3-4 years, but TLs are now getting on in years and are likely to have been thrashed (why buy a TL if you're not going to thash it). In 3-4 years, it's going to be aging badly and quite possibly require a lot of cash to keep it running in good order.
And like Lee said:
It's an enormous jump and one which may well put you in a hedge, the side of a car, or worse. Go up in stages!
An SV is much quicker and more fun than you'd imagine and certainly fast enough for road and occasional track day use. I ride a 1050cc bike and, whilst it's fun, it's more power than I can use on the roads.
Ceri JC
09-03-06, 05:19 PM
would really like to hear from someone who did this step. (if they exist)
Paul
My suggestion is that Paul goes straight for a 1 litre Gixxer but starts up a blog
from day one. This will be most educational for the wider biking community and
will fill a gap in existing literature.
On a serious note, my neighbour, a born again biker, went straight for a GSX1400
and after 4 years and several close shaves he is still with us. So in principle
it is possible to go straight for a really big bike and live to tell the tale.
I read about a lad in South Africa whose only bike he had ever ridden was a Hayabusa (he learnt to ride on it too :shock: ). He also claims to have never crashed it, or dropped it.
this is my bias, but did you read about it in an obituary? :lol:
Steve W
09-03-06, 09:55 PM
Trying to think myself into your situation I think I'd go for the SV650 - lots of fun, good power to weight ratio, relatively easy to ride, fairly cheap to run and lots of potential...
If you look at my signature you'll see my bike history. I found the SV650 (much) more than enough when I returned to biking and if I wasn't an ol' a*se with three teenage children and with (a bit) more snse than I had 25 years ago I would have had a serious accident by now... I didn't get bored by the SV just wanted something different...
Good luck and safe riding.
Flamin_Squirrel
09-03-06, 10:37 PM
i would have to be very careful.
NO!
Being careful has nothing to do with it. You're looking at what, TEN TIMES the power? You're going to end up using a significant proportion or all of that power before you're ready for it, careful or not. You'll be on a steep learning curve on a 650, let alone a TL, and you'll make mistakes that the TL wont forgive you for.
You can get cheap SV's if you look around. Dont use price to try and justify a bike you're not ready for.
Don't do it.
kwak zzr
09-03-06, 10:43 PM
i am looking out for my first big bike in anticipation of passing my test. i have been riding for 2 and a half years on 125cc bikes (one sportsbike)
my main question would be:
would a litre V-twin be too much. i have looked at sv650's, cant find one. but am constantly seeing TL1000s' go for money i can afford. they are gorgeous.
would i kill myself?
obviously they will only go as fast as i say, and i would look at sorting the rear. people say they are "not for beginners". however, im not a beginer, just a big step up.
so, providing i am responsible (can control my right wrist!!) is it a viable option???
thanks
Paul
the TL1000S is a class bike but i'm 34 and the insurance is 3x what the sv650s is.
i still cant get one out of my mind tho :?
I haven't read this entire thread, but I do remember my time spend on the 125 cc sports bike forums. One of the guys there (May he R.I.P) went from a 125 to a TL1000 and was killed fairly quickly. Get yourself over there and ask about it if you want to know more. I went from 125's to an sv650s and it has more than enough power to keep me happy!
james160987
10-03-06, 12:15 AM
i rode a rs125 for 2 years, im now on a 04 k4 sv650, and its restricted to 33bhp and im very happy with it, restrictors will come out in a month or so when im used to it but its got way more poke and grunt than the 125,
in all i think the 650 is a perfect midrange stater, and they hold there value well,
I'm_a_Newbie
10-03-06, 12:24 AM
Hi
I have just done my Direct Access on a GS500. After riding a 125 for 2 years even the GS500 felt bloody quick! I settled for a Pointy SV650. Picking it up this Saturday. The SV650 has about another 20bhp more than the GS500 so even more smiles per mile!
Kind regards
Tim
After riding a 125 for 2 years even the GS500 felt bloody quick!
Too right. Mine goes like a rocket. Erm, okay, not entirely true. But I remember when I picked mine up from the shop afer passing my DAS it seemed big and scary and I didn't want to turn right. (Think I managed to get from Shoreditch [East London] over to Mile End [even Easter London] before I felt brave enough to turn around).
I now hanker after a more powerful bike - eg the SV, and kind of wish I'd got one 18 months ago instead of my GS500F. But I've learnt a lot of valuable lessons on it. Having ridden a Fazer, Gixxer 600, R6 and an SV, I'd say the SV650 would be more than ample for your needs for the moment.
paulthewitt
10-03-06, 09:05 AM
You're looking at what, TEN TIMES the power
its closer to 4 times the power.
thanks for all the responses. i think it will come down to affordability. i know the litre bikes are dangerous, and as such would respect them. i have 2 and a half years road sense, so it just the extra power that concerns, not handling, etc....
to justify the extra insurance the bike would have to be cheap though. i will keep looking for a K3 sv, but if a vtr, TLs, etc... come along dirt cheap then i may have to buy.
time to buy this weeks trade-it!! see whats around.
Paul
Flamin_Squirrel
10-03-06, 09:09 AM
Your funeral.
i am looking out for my first big bike in anticipation of passing my test. i have been riding for 2 and a half years on 125cc bikes (one sportsbike)
my main question would be:
would a litre V-twin be too much. i have looked at sv650's, cant find one. but am constantly seeing TL1000s' go for money i can afford. they are gorgeous.
would i kill myself?
obviously they will only go as fast as i say, and i would look at sorting the rear. people say they are "not for beginners". however, im not a beginer, just a big step up.
so, providing i am responsible (can control my right wrist!!) is it a viable option???
thanks
Paul
Now that is not a good 1st big bike.
Flamin_Squirrel
10-03-06, 09:11 AM
Listen to Viney. At best a TL will make you a rubbish rider, at worst you'll end up dead.
paulthewitt
10-03-06, 09:19 AM
you lot have convinced me to try to find a 650.......
now to find one, (maybe if i follow the yellow brick road)
Paul
Flamin_Squirrel
10-03-06, 09:24 AM
Excellent!
Here is one to look at to start you off. (http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/BIKES_popup.asp?modelexact=1&make=SUZUKI&model=SV&ccappr=&min_pr=75&max_pr=3000&mileage=&agerange=&postcode=br2+0nt&miles=1500&max_records=200&source=0&keywords=&photo=1&sort=5&search=SEARCH&start=1&distance=110&adcategory=BIKE&channel=BIKES&id=200610227179312)
Search ebay, http://www.autotrader.co.uk/BIKES/, your local dealer, etc.
fizzwheel
10-03-06, 09:27 AM
I think you are doing the right thing, bike trader is your friend.
Last of the curveys low milleage ( milleage based from my house in Yeovil )
2002 52 Reg SUZUKI SV650 SK2 650cc
Manual 6 speed, 2,000 miles, Silver. One lady owner from new. Bought + owned locally, full service history. Immaculate condition. Professionally lowered riders seat optional. £2,795.
Motorcycle Trade-InsDealer's Website Dealer's Location
Tel: 01202 576648
Distance: 34 miles
Price: £2,795
fizzwheel
10-03-06, 09:30 AM
And another
2003 SUZUKI SV650 S, 3850
miles, Metallic Blue, one owner, lightly used in superb condition, kept covered, Datatool system 3 alarm, FDSH, cover included, great town & country bike. £2,995
Telephone: 07779 143440 or 01749 676488
Distance: 19 miles
Price: £2,995
fizzwheel
10-03-06, 09:32 AM
and another, milleage bit higher on this one though
2000 SUZUKI SV,
19,000 miles, Yellow. Clean, cared-for bike. Tax/MOT June '06. FSH; recent valves & caliper recon. Braided hoses. Scorpion can & orig. Incl. cover, lock/chain, Haynes manual. £2,195
Telephone: 0117 9510858
Email: Email Advertiser
Remember while its wet and manky and cold its a good time to buy but not a good time to sell, so haggle like crazy and get the best deal you can. I did a quick search on www.biketrader.co.uk and it returned nearly 20 SVS's all in my local area which isnt far from you
Agree with pretty much all posts here, Having ridden SVs and TL1000S, I would say the TL1000S is fairly hardcore and if you make a mistake will not help you recover it. It's a brilliant bike but will not flatter an uncertain rider and is better to look at as a future bike.
I bought a Bandit 600 and used for 3 years as a student because it was cheap to run and insure, that said I had a brilliant time on it and supprised some people on a track day with it, it was plenty and I only upgraded last year from that, not because I wanted more power but because I wanted a sportier riding position and better brakes and suspension.
The TL 1000S may be cheap to buy but it is NOT cheap to run, it consumes fuel at a rate that will be having you looking for the hole in the tank, will eat rear tyres if you give it some gas, and given it's age will almost certainly need some work done soon after being bought. Best of luck findingan SV, why not look for a curvey, as they look quite similar (Sound awsome on loud pipe whatever you get) and are cheaper to buy. The TL will probably cost you the difference it saved over buying an SV in the first year, and then continue to rack up costs from then on.
Edit: Also Tyres will cost more because they're bigger, and the same will be true of other consumables.
Listen to Viney. At best a TL will make you a rubbish rider.
Just watch Itching to go on his...he confirms it ;)
paulthewitt
10-03-06, 10:14 AM
And another
2003 SUZUKI SV650 S, 3850
miles, Metallic Blue, one owner, lightly used in superb condition, kept covered, Datatool system 3 alarm, FDSH, cover included, great town & country bike. £2,995
Telephone: 07779 143440 or 01749 676488
Distance: 19 miles
Price: £2,995
have you got the link for this one? i cant find it :cry:
sounds nice too.
Paul
fizzwheel
10-03-06, 10:19 AM
You have PM
wyrdness
10-03-06, 10:40 AM
You're looking at what, TEN TIMES the power
its closer to 4 times the power.
You could both be right.
It's about 10 times the power of a restricted 125, but 4 times the power of some derestricted bikes.
paulthewitt
10-03-06, 10:57 AM
sorry, i meant of the bikes i'd had.
cheers fizzwheel. looks nice, but a little too much for a curvy. when i saw 2003, i assumed K3.
still a couple of nice ones on there.!!
Paul
And another
2003 SUZUKI SV650 S, 3850
miles, Metallic Blue, one owner, lightly used in superb condition, kept covered, Datatool system 3 alarm, FDSH, cover included, great town & country bike. £2,995
Telephone: 07779 143440 or 01749 676488
Distance: 19 miles
Price: £2,995
have you got the link for this one? i cant find it :cry:
sounds nice too.
Paul
Christ mate thats well over priced! Don't pay anywhere near that for it.
If you wait a couple of months you can have mine for that price as thats all the poxy dealer will offer me as a part ex on a used ZX-6R I expect!!! It will only have a couple of thousand dry miles, be 8 months old and fully faired! Absolutely mint and looks like new!
Obviously I'd rather let someone here have the bike for the dealers px offer than let them make money out of it. I reckon I'd have better bargaining power on buying a used bike if I paid cash anyway.
I still think you should learn from my mistakes and go straight out for the more powerful machine.
ooo i can see him taking you up on that...(sooner rather than later is the preference though)
also he thought that was a k3, i wont let him pay that much for a curvy :p (im his brother if you didnt catch it earlier)
Andy
fizzwheel
10-03-06, 01:09 PM
Remember while its wet and manky and cold its a good time to buy but not a good time to sell, so haggle like crazy and get the best deal you can.
I did say this earlier, I've never paid full advertised price on anything I've bought
Christ mate thats well over priced! Don't pay anywhere near that for it.
Considering it's only done less than 4k and has a Datatool alarm it's not too bad. £2700 for a bike of that condition would be more sensible though.
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http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=32941
Here is mine by the way, picture taken beginning of Feb. Currently at 1500 miles.
What do you reckon the Kwak dealer will offer me for it as a px?
Whatever you do don't pay the same price for a 2 year old bike! Be patient though cos it will take me at least month to save up the difference I need for a ZX6-R B1!!!
As said I'd rather let someone here have it for the px value than let the dealer make a killing on it.
What do you reckon the Kwak dealer will offer me for it as a px?
Dealer? About 3k :lol: .
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What do you reckon the Kwak dealer will offer me for it as a px?
Dealer? About 3k :lol: .
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You reckon I'd get much more selling privately? Well enough to warrant the hastle of scammers constantly emailing me to say their client in holland wants to buy it! Hence why I'd rather sell it for slightly less to someone here.
Question is, would the dealer knock more off the used bike price if I paid by cash or if I did a px + some cash - bearing in mind he knows he can make money on the px and therefore can discount some of that off the used bike price?
You reckon I'd get much more selling privately?
There's no question of this, yes.
Question is, would the dealer knock more off the used bike price if I paid by cash or if I did a px + some cash - bearing in mind he knows he can make money on the px and therefore can discount some of that off the used bike price?
The exact formula will vary from dealer to dealer as regards what's best for you. The only way though that you'll get a better part exchange is if either the price of the new bike is higher than elsewhere or you're taking out finance with the dealer who'll get a percentage commission from it.
At the end of the day, cash talks.
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DanAbnormal
10-03-06, 02:22 PM
I agree that dealers totally take the michael but then of course they do, it's nothing new. And I've always been of the opinion that private selling will guarantee you more wonga. However, this trend is chaging with ebay. After selling many bikes through ebay I've noticed that many people expect to pay way below the asking price just because it's on ebay and most people are like "So What's wrong with it then?". I think having it on ebay guarantees that many people will see it but you might still not get what you want for it as people just offer stupid low amounts. Plus it can cost a bit to keep listing if it doesn't sell for a while. Not trying tp put you off just highlighting some things I've noticed. Maybe sell through bike trader?
Dan
wyrdness
10-03-06, 02:27 PM
After selling many bikes through ebay I've noticed that many people expect to pay way below the asking price just because it's on ebay and most people are like "So What's wrong with it then?". I think having it on ebay guarantees that many people will see it but you might still not get what you want for it as people just offer stupid low amounts.
Dunno, I sold my Harley on Ebay and got more than twice what I'd have got part exchange and, probably, far more than if I'd sold it on Bike Trader or similar.
DanAbnormal
10-03-06, 02:48 PM
Weird eh? I guess it's all about getting it on their at the right time. Mine were usually early or late in the season so maybe that's why. Although I had loads of people come and view they were mostly tw*ts flashing cash (some upto a grand less than I was asking for). The they expected to get e free test ride, so I draughted up an official letter before they rode it I would need to see proof of address, ID etc, etc. That put most of them off.
I'm_a_Newbie
11-03-06, 11:54 PM
Hi
Just picked up my K3 today. Wow! What fun Good ridance 125. The SV650 is easily powerful enough for a first big bike. It scares the s?*t out of me when you whack the throttle open. Think I'll have to superglue my ar?*e to the seat.
i went straight from a 125 (with a years experience) to a CBR600F
i have to admit, it was too powerful for me, i had many close shaves, and to be honest, i am/was a very careful owner,
many times after a close shave (im talking very close) ive thought to myself - if i had anything more powerful, i probably wouldnt be here now.
a 125 and a 600 (even the SV) are no where in the same league, the 125 is like a toy compared to a 600. so you have to start learning again, not being funny, but your experience on a 125 probably wont prepare you for the weight of a 600, the acceleration of a 600 and the handling of a 600.
i was very confident on a 125 but pretty much none of that experience could be carried forward onto the bigger bikes.
3 years later, im considering getting something bigger - but i havent.
if im honest with myself, i still havent learned to ride the 600 properly yet.
on the otherhand, the 1000cc will go through more petrol, tyres and consumables quicker than the 600 so in the long run, the sv650 will definetly be the cheaper bike.
I had a kwak zxr 750 for my first bike.Never had a 125,just used schools on a 2 day course.How i survived the first 12 mth i dunno!!!So many near misses trying to keep up with people it's frightening to think back :shock: I then had a firestorm but thought it was too slow and got a TLR and one of my mates had aTLS.We loved em but handling was dodgy!If i'd got TLR first i think i would not be here!I now have 650 curvy and find it does all i need!If you go for aTL,get one that has had susp modded(to suit your weight)treat with RESPECT and you'll love it :wink:
wheelnut
12-03-06, 07:49 PM
A wise old fool that I once knew used to tell anyone that would listen...
"from what I understand, any silly bugger can get that speed, but its getting shut of it that counts"
John was about 85 and the fastest thing he had driven was a tractor :P
Wise words though!
I have just bought a 1000 after 3 years on a 650, I still havent mastered the 650 to its full potential. If you need an SV650 give me a call :D
2003 k2 curvy
Warthog
14-03-06, 04:07 PM
Glad you have decided for the SV650 option, not the litre bike, as I think you would have been mad!
An extra point that no one has mention, is the few times I have had close calls with my ER5 and sv650 at slow speeds, I managed to avoid dropping it by putting a hasty leg down and JUST managing to stay up. Anything heavier would have had me off.
I bought a crappy ER5 first, and dropped it a few times, and had my fair share of close calls but not a ludicrous speeds. Anything larger and I would have been in trouble, financially and physically.
Quite simply put: after a 125, an SV650 is a PLENTY big step up, don't get ahead of yourself if you are only a student. I just finished my degree and am finishing my PhD now, so I know what its like, poorness, coolness and youth all factored in ;)
TheMickster
16-03-06, 10:31 AM
Hi Paul
If you fancy a curvy then mine is coming up for sale in a month or two (I'm getting a GSXR600 K4).
2001 sv650s in Excellent Condition.
9.5k.
Service History.
Brand new BT014s.
Grand Candy Blue.
Tinted Double Bubble Screen + Original.
Crash Protectors
Carbon Fibre Fender Extender.
Renegade High Level Stainless Oval Race Can + Carbon Quill T3 (easier than putting original on for MOT) + Original.
Suspension Dog Bones to raise the rear + standard ones.
Lookin for about £2500.
will put it in the for sale section nearer the time with some pics
Cheers
Mike.
paulthewitt
18-03-06, 03:35 PM
thanks for all the replies.
just bought a SV650s K3, silver. completley standard yesterday. will post pics later.
went up and down the drive....... :shock:
yup i'd be dead if id bought a TLs. this will be plenty fast enough!! had about 2 minutes of nervous hysterical laughter, and i didnt accelerate hard either!!!!!!
Paul
Filipe M.
18-03-06, 03:39 PM
thanks for all the replies.
just bought a SV650s K3, silver. completley standard yesterday. will post pics later.
went up and down the drive....... :shock:
yup i'd be dead if id bought a TLs. this will be plenty fast enough!! had about 2 minutes of nervous hysterical laughter, and i didnt accelerate hard either!!!!!!
Paul
I guess you won't regret it! :)
Have fun now, but keep it rubber side down!
Professor
18-03-06, 05:13 PM
thanks for all the replies.
just bought a SV650s K3, silver. completley standard yesterday. will post pics later.
went up and down the drive....... :shock:
yup i'd be dead if id bought a TLs. this will be plenty fast enough!! had about 2 minutes of nervous hysterical laughter, and i didnt accelerate hard either!!!!!!
Paul
Congratulations, Paul! And I notice now that you are a neighbour.
I've also got a SV650s K3, silver, completely standard.
Will be easy to recognise each other.
paulthewitt
18-03-06, 05:52 PM
Congratulations, Paul! And I notice now that you are a neighbour.
yeah, not far away. but i dont plan on keeping it standard for long!!
heated grips, R&G's (in case), fender extender, and handle bar muffs are immediate upgrades.
with an exhaust next after that. along with hamicad, belly pan, screen, etc... in the future.
will try to add pics in a minute
Paul
paulthewitt
18-03-06, 06:02 PM
1st pic (http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/543599/)
and the 2nd (http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/543556/)
warning, these are not 56k friendly!!! :lol:
Paul
Professor
18-03-06, 06:05 PM
but i dont plan on keeping it standard for long!!
heated grips, R&G's (in case), fender extender, and handle bar muffs are immediate upgrades.
with an exhaust next after that. along with hamicad, belly pan, screen, etc... in the future.
Make R&G's your priority. I had mine installed prior to delivery.
I am sure you will have a lot of fun over the summer. Its a perfect bike for starting off on, I agree with reviews that describe it as being fast enough to be exciting but not quite fast enough to scare you although watch out for head shakers if you give it full throttle on bumpy roads.
I am getting my 636 on Monday, got 3k px for mine in the end so lost a fair bit of money. I still have concerns that come this time next year you will be in the same boat as me but at least by buying used you won't lose as much money.
Your first mods (and the ones I'd do if I was keeping mine) should be changing that rear sprocket and the exhaust. The excessively long gears are without a doubt a massive flaw with that bike IMO although it depends what you are doing with it. As for the exhaust, it wasn't until the dealer rode my bike that I realised how good it sounds from the side of the road (even with the standard can). The trouble is it sounds puny from on the bike.
Professor
18-03-06, 06:10 PM
Nice pics. Wish my bike were as clean.
paulthewitt
18-03-06, 06:24 PM
I still have concerns that come this time next year you will be in the same boat as me but at least by buying used you won't lose as much money.
when i twisted the throttle, all of those thoughts left my head. i should learn to ride this one properly before moving on. given the amount of progress i made in my previous time on bikes. that may take 3 years anyway!! :roll:
Make R&G's your priority.
they will be on the bike before i go on the road.....got my test in april, so plenty of time.
as for the standard exhaust, its a little quiet, but mu main problem with it is the fact its HUGE. completely out of proportion.
diamond
18-03-06, 06:29 PM
should be changing that rear sprocket and the exhaust. The excessively long gears are without a doubt a massive flaw with that bike IMO
Not sure what you mean about that never had any problem with the gearing on either of my SV's, admitedly a mod is to change the sprocket but thats not any thing like essential unless your interested in spending your life on your back wheel, which as a new rider is not ideal and not some thing that should be recomended.
Great looking bike by the way, enjoy.
Warthog
18-03-06, 07:15 PM
Lovely bike! Glad you see what (most of us) were talking about, I had the same maniacal laughter when I first tried it, and around town it is awesome! Still got plenty of time left on it left I reckon, although it is money rather than lack of power that is stopping me getting a bigger bike.
fizzwheel
18-03-06, 07:20 PM
The excessively long gears are without a doubt a massive flaw with that bike
I'm wandering what exactly you mean by this. The SVS is geared enough to pick up the front wheel in first off the throttle. I wouldnt describe the gearing as "excessively long".
...unless your interested in spending your life on your back wheel
And what's so wrong with that? :lol:
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Hard to explain the gearing issue.
I had a naked Bandit prior to the SVS and I would dearly love to ride it again so I could compare the performance as it is something that has been nagging me for ages.
Unfortunately I got the SVS new so by the time I had run it in I had forgotten how quick the Bandit was.
My memory of the Bandit is of it feeling more eager and willing than the SVS. The SVS just feels a tad sluggish. Of course by its very nature the SV doesn't spin its gears up as quick as the Bandit and even when at the same revs it sounds like its revving lower plus the screen makes it feel slower so it could be psychological.
I am sure the SV is the quicker bike but I feel it would be even better if given similar ratio's to my old Bandit. At the moment I feel the bike could be a heck of a lot more exciting and quicker but this performance is being sacrificed for top speeds that I am never going to use - and that realistically the bike couldn't do unless on far longer dual carraigeways than we have round here. Its gearing does make it cruise nicely at 70 but if they wanted to make touring more comfortable they should have put a better seat on it as that is far more annoying than running 1 or 2krpm faster would be!
I think paul that on country roads the bike always feels quick but if you start going up and down the Ring Road you might find it starts to feel too overwhelmed by the wind resistance at higher speeds. That is where I want more power. I took it out on the A420 going to Chippenham and when opening it up on the straights in a head wind I just kind of felt I wanted more.
maybe yeah, although the a420 doesnt have that many great bends on it for me, just a sweeping sbend up or down a hill, thats about it really
Andy
Quiff Wichard
18-03-06, 09:10 PM
First big bike>>>,,,,,,,,,, err............ i think her name was Sally barron..
I jest- as is my want
nice piCs-- my mums got that NEST of collapsible tables in her lounge!!
glad you got yer bike and a 650...
I was gonna say >>>>>>>>>
same as someones( i forget) signature- DONT LET AMBITION EXCEED ABILITY..
does your mum like the collapsable tables as much as our mum? they might be useful is said alot....mum, theyve been there for three years, and they will stay there for three more years....they will neve be used....mum again...well ill keep them just in case...grrrrr
same goes for the fire, the z bed, the other tall and thin table and the two carpets in there as well that are in the same corner...all been there at least three years and will never be used...
get rid so we can have more space for bikes darn it! :p
I know im a hoarder but our mum takes the biscuit in our house...well its her house so she has the right...
andy
My memory of the Bandit is of it feeling more eager and willing than the SVS.
:?:
The SV will annihilate the Bandit 6 in the twisties and is certainly no slower in a straight line.
The SV's gearing is fine, if slightly high in the S version's final gearing. But the ratios are spot on.
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fizzwheel
18-03-06, 10:17 PM
My memory of the Bandit is of it feeling more eager and willing than the SVS. The SVS just feels a tad sluggish. Of course by its very nature the SV doesn't spin its gears up as quick as the Bandit and even when at the same revs it sounds like its revving lower plus the screen makes it feel slower so it could be psychological.
I've ridden a faired and an unfaired bandit 6. The only reason the bandit feels quicker IMHO is that because its an IL4 you are much higher in the rev range when making progress on the bandit whereas the SV the power comes in lower down.
IMHO there isnt anything wrong with the SV's gearing, its just the different engine characteristics. Can I ask how many miles you did on the bandit, compared to how many you've done on your SV ?
Quiff Wichard
18-03-06, 11:51 PM
does your mum like the collapsable tables as much as our mum? they might be useful is said alot....mum, theyve been there for three years, and they will stay there for three more years....they will neve be used....mum again...well ill keep them just in case...grrrrr
same goes for the fire, the z bed, the other tall and thin table and the two carpets in there as well that are in the same corner...all been there at least three years and will never be used...
get rid so we can have more space for bikes darn it! :p
I know im a hoarder but our mum takes the biscuit in our house...well its her house so she has the right...
andy
She still has them in her lounge- and uses them!.......i rememebr them wen i was a kid- and I am errr 40 now !!
she still has everything.! only hting she aint got that she had when I was akid- is me dad!!
Saint Matt
19-03-06, 12:12 AM
Someone I know went from an RS125 to a VTR1000, he is fine. Not a step I'd like to have taken though. Just going from restricted sv to full power sv was enough for me!
diamond
19-03-06, 10:10 AM
At the moment I feel the bike could be a heck of a lot more exciting and quicker but this performance is being sacrificed for top speeds
you might find it starts to feel too overwhelmed by the wind resistance at higher speeds. That is where I want more power. I took it out on the A420 going to Chippenham and when opening it up on the straights in a head wind I just kind of felt I wanted more.
This sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me.
First you say it has top end speed that you'll never use then you say you want more on the straights, sorry i don't get it.
My K5 gets me up to an indicated 140 and it gets me there very quickly with no hassle perhaps you need to understand the subtulties of the V twin engine characteristics instead of comparing them to the IL4 which is completely different.
My K5 doesn't feel like it would get to an indicated 140 with ease which is why I feel it is geared for speeds I'm not going to do. I'd rather it was geared for 130 so that 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear were a bit more punchy.
I think it would hit an indicated 140 but the acceleration over 100 is too slow to hit it on the dual carriageways around here as you'd run out of road and the motorway has various types of speed camera in operation...
At 100+ it doesnt have much more go in it than my 2.0 Renault Clio let alone all the high performance cars flying around these parts. A friend of mine had an Impreza P1 and although I never raced it after driving it I reckon from an 80mph roll-on my bike would struggle even though it is quicker up to that point. It doesn't matter what gear you choose, it doesn't have enough in the mid range or the top end in that scenario. Bristol has the highest level of sports and luxury car ownership in the country (according to an insurance company survey) and you do see far too many cars like that on your tail around here!!!
It's at those speeds where the acceleration rush from the lower gears has gone and you can feel where you only have 70bhp and the wind resistance is killing you. Hopefully the Ninja will keep it going beyond that point judging by the way similar bikes go past me! I just want the acceleration rush my SV gives me in 1st to continue up to 80 and beyond.
Not knocking the bike or anything, I just feel that I have grown out of it and want to move up. Perhaps there is also an element of me not really falling in love with the V Twins characteristics as it doesn't suit the type of riding I like doing.
diamond
19-03-06, 05:07 PM
At 100+ it doesnt have much more go in it than my 2.0 Renault Clio
Fizz's SV blew me away in a 2.0 glolf GTI 16V (150 BHP) when i was doing 110 on a dual carriageway, so it may depend on how you use the revs when your riding at that speed. (I'd still be in 5th at 100 on my SV, leaving me another gear to get to 140)
Not knocking the bike or anything, I just feel that I have grown out of it and want to move up. Perhaps there is also an element of me not really falling in love with the V Twins characteristics as it doesn't suit the type of riding I like doing.
Fair enough they certainly don't suit everyone, personally i love it especially all that engine breaking :twisted: Good luck with the new Kwak.
At 100+ it doesnt have much more go in it than my 2.0 Renault Clio let alone all the high performance cars flying around these parts.
It's an SV.
0-100 is pretty damn rapid, but over that it simply doesn't have the performance of a super-sport 600 etc. As real world motorcycles go, it takes a lot of beating, but if you're desperate (and dare I say foolish enough) to want to travel at extremely high velocities then the SV ain't for you.
For me, it makes me grin from ear to ear.
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