getting our act together

[jim@55]

c,mon peeps ,sv ecosse needs to get a ride-out in ,the weathers pretty good now ,and if we dont get our act together itll be aug b4 we know it .im sure there used to b an 'official'meeting at hg on a certain day/evening .i went to the ice-cream run but we need more chances to get together .this is not just my thoughts ,but another forum member as well .on the ice-cream run ther was about 6 peeps ,and before that we went on a run out to aberfeldy again about 6-7 very poor :cry: so come on we need to get our act together ,im sure theirs enough on here to make a worthwhile effort,there seems to be a lot more going on in other sections(soho/pennine get the idea?) im sure a lot on here feel the same ,is this an sv RIDERS forum or a comp chat room ??ive been out myself loads but only with an organized ride-out twice .so we must try harder.i appreciate the weather has been ****e recently but what about last summer ?same story im afraid ,somebody has to take on an organizational role and get the ball rolling :(

longest post iv ever done :wink:

[Blue Flame]

I think that the thing that puts most peeps of at this time of the year is all the salt/ice on the roads.

You could definitely sense that there was a wee bit of spring in the air today so I don't think it will be long before we see the last of the snow. Some is forecast for this coming week but hopefully that will be the last of it.

Last year wasn't brilliant for organised runs but i'm hoping this year will.

Definitely going to go on the Easter Egg run and the Annual Ride-out weekend but there is a lot of weekends in between to play with :riding: :lol:

[graeme1841]

Went on the Irish/Ecosse run last year. Good run out but as I am new to biking I found it a bit difficult trying to keep up. Cos of this I bailed out after Oban and missed the BBQ. This kinda puts me off going on a rideout again :cry: Also if I get caught speeding then my job don't look too kindly on it :cry:

[Blue Flame]

Went on the Irish/Ecosse run last year. Good run out but as I am new to biking I found it a bit difficult trying to keep up. Cos of this I bailed out after Oban and missed the BBQ. This kinda puts me off going on a rideout again :cry: Also if I get caught speeding then my job don't look too kindly on it :cry:

I missed that run cos I was on my holibags 8) but you did the right thing in not trying to keep up with a faster group. Always ride within your comfort levels !! Usually on the larger rides there is groups of different speeds going round. alaways make sure you have a map or know the route. There is usually always plenty of stops to get everybody bunched back up again so im surprised that didn't happen on the one you were on (there always are when i'm out cos you can't smoke with a helmet on !! :wink: )

Don't let one experience put you off. come along to the next one !!

[Blue Flame]

On this subject some peeps on the ice cream run were talking about maybe taking the ferry over to Zeebrugge for a weekend. Is that idea still being considered?????

[northwind]

Went on the Irish/Ecosse run last year. Good run out but as I am new to biking I found it a bit difficult trying to keep up. Cos of this I bailed out after Oban and missed the BBQ. This kinda puts me off going on a rideout again :cry: Also if I get caught speeding then my job don't look too kindly on it :cry:

Ah, you made a mistake there- I joined the gang at the far side of Glencoe, you'd have had no trouble keeping up once I was there ;) Seriously though, usually the rideouts attract a wide mix of riders. Dean and Drew always want to tear it up... And there were a fair few other speedfreaks on that particular ride ;) Myself, I generally don't get much enjoyment from riding fast on unfamiliar roads, and I like to be able to have a bit of a look around as we go. I keep the silly stuff for roads I know, or short daft thrashes.

And like Blue Flame says, you did the right thing... And you're not the first to do it either. If I'd done that I'd have had one less crack in the fairings to fix ;)

[graeme1841]

S'pose it wont really put me off and will try and make the next rideout. And I did catch up at Inveraray and Oban!
Am off for a ride tomorrow. The weather is supposed to be good :D Thats the good thing about shift work :D

[Blue Flame]

Ahh you lucky bar steward :lol:

I am itching to get out on the bike as I haven't been out for ages. Gotta drive in the cage to Coventry tomorrow though :cry:

And yes before anybody says it I 'am' being 'sent to coventry'. it happens every other week. I think I might get a complex about it after a while :P

Edit:- The weather is lookin good for tomorrow too :) http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/europe/uk/swscotland.html

[jimmy4237]

Defo agree with some of the points raised here. I spent this whole weekend away on the bike up in Inverness, and coming home via Loch Lomond today. Covered 450 miles in two days.

As Northy says, there are some speedfreaks in the runs (can sometimes include myself..). But for newbie's to biking, there is no need to try and play catch up with the faster groups. That's how the accidents happen. Newbies can take their time during the runs, as we often stop for hot chocolate (Nutty). If someone from the faster group knows the run, then he or she can hold back and wait for the slower groups, but we all know how well that works :!:

During the summer months to come, we'll have to try and establish some set runs on set dates, and try and stick to the dates so it becomes regular activity.

Who's up for an Oban run in the next month leaving from HG Glasgow at 10AM with lunch at the Green Welly??

[jim@55]

sounds like a plan jimmy :thumbsup: maybe do a poll for a date but im in anyway .so now there is 2 :roll:

[haggis]

I'd like to do this one, been meaning to take a trip to Oban for a while.
Would just depend on the timing of it.

[Tigerrrr.......]

Rideouts can be fantastic fun, but there's a few golden rules which should be obeyed.

Scooby Drew and I organised the very first two SV Ecosse runs (before the group was called SV Ecosse!). The runs were to Moffat and Glencoe.

Now, I'm no slouch on a bike and I'm an IAM member and completed a Bikesafe course, but the first ride quickly became a race and I stayed at the back keeping an eye on Northy who, at the time, didn't have much riding experience.

The second rideout was the same. I remember leaving the Green Welly Stop with the group, but within a few hundred yards the majority were leaving me/others in their wake.

I rode back from Glencoe to Edinburgh on my own as the rest of the pack were off at a rapid rate. 85-90mph in a 60mph zone is a bit too quick for my liking.

You've got to understand that the whole point of a rideout is it's a social, group activity. You should agree on a formation/order before moving off, then stick to this for the duration of the rideout. You keep an eye out for the person behind you, and you in turn are being watched by the person in front of you. It's a group activity.

Would I go on another rideout? Probably not. What's the point? I don't condone blatant speeding and I think situations arise where too many people start taking too many risks.

Scooby D will tell you of an Alvins rideout he was on where riders turned it into a race on their GSXRs, until one guy binned his bike. Could've been a fatality. There's simply no need for this kind of riding on this kind of social activity.

Rideouts can be great fun, but if you want to act like an a/hole, perhaps it's better if you do it on your own.

[dirtydog]

so come on we need to get our act together ,im sure theirs enough on here to make a worthwhile effort,there seems to be a lot more going on in other sections(soho/pennine get the idea?) im sure a lot on here feel the same ,is this an sv RIDERS forum or a comp chat room ??

Other forums? Have you seen the guildford massive recently? most of us dont even have SVs anymore!!!! :shock: :shock:

Seriously though, the essex boys wre asking about another ride like the irish/ecosse run, so maybe make arrangements with them again? I'd be up for it :thumbsup:

[Blue Flame]

Would I go on another rideout? Probably not. What's the point? I don't condone blatant speeding and I think situations arise where too many people start taking too many risks.........
.......Rideouts can be great fun, but if you want to act like an a/hole, perhaps it's better if you do it on your own.

Easy now Tiger :wink:

The last time that I remember you being on a rideout was back in 2004. In my experience the SV Ecosse rideouts have been generally well organised as per my previous post.

Yeah there are some that exceed the speed limit but in general it is in safe conditions and the peeps at the front (the 'speeders') I have found tend to be IAM members or even dare I say it instructors !!!

Anyways it does not detract from my previous statements about one rideout and different groups running at different speeds.

You gave up after only a couple of runs. You should perhaps come to another and do what your post was suggesting - socialise!!

:grouphug:

[Tigerrrr.......]

"The last time that I remember you being on a rideout was back in 2004. "

- Exactly! It was the Glencoe run. I wonder why that is?

"You gave up after only a couple of runs. You should perhaps come to another and do what your post was suggesting - socialise!!"

- No offence, Grant, but Scooby and I organised both runs, so I don't really have a problem socialising. What I do have a problem with is going on an alleged "social" run, then everyone just doing their own thing until the next stop. What's the point. May as well just suggest a cafe and we'll all meet there under our own steam.

I now ride with people who stick together as a group and ride at the speed of the slowest rider. Have a great time.

[Blue Flame]

"The last time that I remember you being on a rideout was back in 2004. "

- Exactly! It was the Glencoe run. I wonder why that is?

"You gave up after only a couple of runs. You should perhaps come to another and do what your post was suggesting - socialise!!"

- No offence, Grant, but Scooby and I organised both runs, so I don't really have a problem socialising. What I do have a problem with is going on an alleged "social" run, then everyone just doing their own thing until the next stop. What's the point. May as well just suggest a cafe and we'll all meet there under our own steam.

I now ride with people who stick together as a group and ride at the speed of the slowest rider. Have a great time.

OK I agree and accept that you didn't have a problem socialising two years ago. But where are you now. Apart from seeing the odd post........ I haven't seen you :?:

And what's all this c**p about 'alleged social runs' and that we "May as well just suggest a cafe and we'll all meet there under our own steam.". :?: :?:

I apologise if I offend you but there was more than just you at these rideouts and the feedback from everybody else was OK. I think that the problem that you had was that everybody didn't slow down to the slowest rider and that is just not practical if you want to please everybody on a day out. As I have already stated it the rideouts usually develop into different groups.

You have taken two runs at the beginning of what was a learning curve for us all and just haven't given it a chance.

I am sure that if you came to another rideout in 2006 instead of looking back at what you view as a poor experience in 2004 that you will change your opinion.......

.....but then given the virility of your response I suspect that wont happen :cry:

[dirtydog]

Er, now correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it a bit hard to "soialise" when you're riding a bike?

No matter how you want to ride on a run is always going to upset someone, not everyone rides at the same rate. I've only been on 2 ecosse runs as it's quite a trip up for me, and on both occassions i've ridden at my own pace and not worried about if somneone is going faster/slower than me. I'm no Rossi but i can hold my own on a ride out thanks, I don't feel it neccesary for other people to slow down or to ride beyond what they feel is comfortable to match my speed. I stick to most speed limits but if the road and weather condtions are good i'll crack it open a bit, and yes i do break the speed limit but i am not reckless or dangerous when i do it i ahve a few years riding experiance (about 10 years) and am IAM trained. So if we were all to ride at the same pace ie the slowest i wouldn't enjoy the ride so why would i bother? There would just be a few people going cos everyone would get bored at riding the slowest pace, numbers would dwindle and bang goes your social group



Well that's my tupance worth anyway.

[northwind]

Now, I'm no slouch on a bike and I'm an IAM member and completed a Bikesafe course, but the first ride quickly became a race and I stayed at the back keeping an eye on Northy who, at the time, didn't have much riding experience.

The second rideout was the same. I remember leaving the Green Welly Stop with the group, but within a few hundred yards the majority were leaving me/others in their wake.

Something not right here, the Glencoe rideout was the first one I did ;) Though Tiger and Martin were both fatastic on that ride, helped keep me rubber side up. Much appreciated- I covered more miles that day than I had on the SV up till then :shock: That Glencoe run did show up exactly what can go wrong though- we lost one rider before we got to Callendar, dismally failed to meet up with Mo and Nutty there, then i got left behind at Tyndrum. Martin stayed behind for me... Then, when we got to Ballachulish we had no idea what to do, rode up and down for a while, then split into loads of different groups And I got left behind again, since Nutty had my map ;) So then i carried on with the smaller Glasgow group as we lapped Loch Awe, and rode home by myself. That could sound a bit negative, I actually had a fantastic time that day.

On the last Glencoe run, I rode tail for the stretch from Ballachulish to Tyndrum on the way back- again, most of the group took off, leaving some of the Irish in the petrol station. Easily done... And as long as I know the route, I'd be perfectly happy to do that again, it suits me very well and it helps keep things polite.

It's absolutely fine for people to go at their own pace... Scooby Drew's always going to want to be first, of course, and as long as nobody needs to follow him for directions that shouldn't be a problem. For a lot of people it's as frustrating to have to slow down as it is to be constantly rushed. But it can get tricky. If there's only a few people out, then there's a good chance there won't be anyone else who rides at your pace. In a big group, it doesn't matter if a few take off and a few go slow, since there'll usually be someone else doing the same

Of course, if I'm riding tail and I bin it, I'll need to pick it up myself :wink: But like I say, I'm perfectly happy to do that, within reason (I won't be stopping if you need 50 fag breaks, GAV HOGG, ;) and I'd need to know exactly where we're going.

[jim@55]

as northys post said-some peeps want to go fast.-some want to ride a bit er,,,slower i think everybodys ok with that -as long as we all know where we're going ..and as somebody else pointed out -you cant socialise much on a bike-thats a given-but you are in a social setting ,albeit maybe 30mins from everybody else :lol: me and scooby2102 got seperated from the pack on one ride-out and eventually rode home as a twosome but -so what? its no big deal.we dont have to stay in a pack formation .im no barry sheene btw and wouldn't expect everybody to ride at my pace so lets b realistic ,,we're all of differing abilities (and this is the social bit)and its nice to say hello and get to know other forum members.ive only been on two ride-outs and thought i would b totally out of my depth-not so ,and i would say theres beena good vibe on both .if people want to go fast and race -let them ,yeah some are quicker than others ,its to b expected by most peeps but it DOES NOT mean you are expected to keep up.anyway whos for oban?or any wher else for that matter :wink:

[Blue Flame]

See this link that Northy has kindly put up.

http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=35087

This one has been busted :P

[scooby2102]

Having read all the posts on this thread, I think that riding in different groups (speed/ability related) would probably be best for all on any of our rideouts then meet up at pre-arranged points to either re-group or just head straight to the selected venue.

Loads of very pertinent points raised in this thread, especially where safety and speed limits are concerned.

Say one thing about the Harley mob that I ride with, it is very well organized since there are usually in excess of 50 bikes at each ride out and there is a ratio of about 1 road marshall for every 6 bikes.

If there are any dodgy junctions or the group gets split up at traffic lights etc, there is always 1 marshall who will take over and herd the group forward until they see the next marshall waiting for them at the proper exit (on a roundabout or at a road junction). Using this system, no one gets lost.

Tigers point about keeping an eye out for the person behind is also very important as a couple of times I have been stuck behind cars etc so its always better if someone who knows the route can hang back and pick up the stragglers (usually me) :roll:

Interesting post guys - well done to all who contributed

[Tigerrrr.......]

Yeah there are some that exceed the speed limit but in general it is in safe conditions and the peeps at the front (the 'speeders') I have found tend to be IAM members or even dare I say it instructors !!!

Grant, if these riders are IAM members/instructors, they:

(a) should know better.
(b) should be setting a much better example to other riders.
(c) should be setting a better IAM example. When you renew your IAM annual membership you have to sign a declaration stating that you will continue to ride in an appropriate manner, follow the rules of the Highway Code, set an example to others, etc, etc (can't remember the exact wording).

If some riders want to tear it up, that's fine, but the place to do it is on a track and not on the public road.

We want other road users to hold bikers in high regard and treat bikers with respect. Riding at high speed in packs is not going to earn much respect, and is exactly the type of behaviour that gets all of us bikers tarred with the same brush.

I've met you a couple of times and you seem a very decent chap, so let's not fall out over all this.

I just think rideouts could be a huge success if everyone rode at a "medium" pace, had agreed meeting points, agreed a time to leave so everyone could get a cuppa, go to the loo, fuel up, etc, and everyone left their "watch me go" attitude at home.

Friends?

[Anonymous]

Yeah there are some that exceed the speed limit but in general it is in safe conditions and the peeps at the front (the 'speeders') I have found tend to be IAM members or even dare I say it instructors !!!

Grant, if these riders are IAM members/instructors, they:

(a) should know better.
(b) should be setting a much better example to other riders.
(c) should be setting a better IAM example. When you renew your IAM annual membership you have to sign a declaration stating that you will continue to ride in an appropriate manner, follow the rules of the Highway Code, set an example to others, etc, etc (can't remember the exact wording).

If some riders want to tear it up, that's fine, but the place to do it is on a track and not on the public road.

We want other road users to hold bikers in high regard and treat bikers with respect. Riding at high speed in packs is not going to earn much respect, and is exactly the type of behaviour that gets all of us bikers tarred with the same brush.

I've met you a couple of times and you seem a very decent chap, so let's not fall out over all this.

I just think rideouts could be a huge success if everyone rode at a "medium" pace, had agreed meeting points, agreed a time to leave so everyone could get a cuppa, go to the loo, fuel up, etc, and everyone left their "watch me go" attitude at home.

Friends?

********.

I am an iam qualified observer and adhere to speed limits most of the time but when there is an open road with plenty of open views its a shame not to open up t he bike a bit ie glen coe. Im not chasing anyone, racing anyone, Im riding a bike and Im riding it for me no one else. Have been out on a few IAM runs and they are extremely fast. The faster you ride the more you practice other skills ie forward observation, lean angle on corners etc. On rideouts I used to sit at back and was mum but hey I dont get out often and want to play too so the best way is for everyone to have a map and lots of breaks (Grant lights up often) its all about having fun and having a laugh. There were a lot of westies who went out on rideouts from August 2001 way way before Ecosse was formed. Lets just get out there and have some fun as opposed to talking about it. Tiger you cant really comment as your not really an active member of the group on rideouts but come along and give us the benefit of the doubt.

[Scooby Drew]

Yeah there are some that exceed the speed limit but in general it is in safe conditions and the peeps at the front (the 'speeders') I have found tend to be IAM members or even dare I say it instructors !!!

Grant, if these riders are IAM members/instructors, they:

(a) should know better.
(b) should be setting a much better example to other riders.
(c) should be setting a better IAM example. When you renew your IAM annual membership you have to sign a declaration stating that you will continue to ride in an appropriate manner, follow the rules of the Highway Code, set an example to others, etc, etc (can't remember the exact wording).



Now as I have noticed my name mentioned a couple of times, I guess I should pass comment.

We live in a democracy where there is such a thing as free choice. The government has not managed to remove that, yet. Until such time perhaps people should be able to decide for themselves whether thy can handle their machine under the prevailing conditions. If people want to break the law of the country or a society that they belong to, the consequences are theirs. If you can do the crime you can do the time. As are the consequences for them or their families if the injure themselves.

[Tigerrrr.......]

[/quote]Tiger you cant really comment as your not really an active member of the group on rideouts but come along and give us the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Thanks for that, Hazel. I now know exactly where I stand, and the role of the moderator is clearly to supress opinion.

Enjoy your rideouts. You won't see me again.

[Tigerrrr.......]

Now as I have noticed my name mentioned a couple of times, I guess I should pass comment.

We live in a democracy where there is such a thing as free choice. The government has not managed to remove that, yet. Until such time perhaps people should be able to decide for themselves whether thy can handle their machine under the prevailing conditions. If people want to break the law of the country or a society that they belong to, the consequences are theirs. If you can do the crime you can do the time. As are the consequences for them or their families if the injure themselves.

True up to a point, but the consequences could easily involve an innocent third party fatality and all its consequences on their family.

All I'm saying is the public road should not be treated as a racetrack. You want to ride at > 70mph? Fine, but don't do it on the road. Is that too much to ask of a democratic society?

(And when I say "you", I don't mean you, Scooby.)

[Scooby Drew]

Now as I have noticed my name mentioned a couple of times, I guess I should pass comment.

We live in a democracy where there is such a thing as free choice. The government has not managed to remove that, yet. Until such time perhaps people should be able to decide for themselves whether thy can handle their machine under the prevailing conditions. If people want to break the law of the country or a society that they belong to, the consequences are theirs. If you can do the crime you can do the time. As are the consequences for them or their families if the injure themselves.

True up to a point, but the consequences could easily involve an innocent third party fatality and all its consequences on their family.

All I'm saying is the public road should not be treated as a racetrack. You want to ride at > 70mph? Fine, but don't do it on the road. Is that too much to ask of a democratic society?

(And when I say "you", I don't mean you, Scooby.)

I get your point but that is included in my earlier comment on assesment of the prevailing conditions - road surface, weather and if there are other users who could be affected by your passage. As far as I remember, the original calculations for speed and stopping distances were made back in the 1920's/30's and have not been updated to take into account the advances in road design and handling of modern machinerey. The road is not a race track, and anyone speeding in an urban environment should be shot due to the presence of pedestrians, I just ask for a little more leeway out of town.

[Anonymous]

Tiger you cant really comment as your not really an active member of the group on rideouts but come along and give us the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Thanks for that, Hazel. I now know exactly where I stand, and the role of the moderator is clearly to supress opinion.

Enjoy your rideouts. You won't see me again.[/quote]

oh come on, how can you talk about our rideouts when you have not been on one for almost 2 years, im only saying come along. but all i hear is the sound of a dummy hitting the floor. oh so as I moderator Im not allowed to comment? If I say anything to offend anyone on here I apologise but its only what I would say in person and you know it. and if this is post is not acceptable im sure cronos will come along and delete it. not a problem :lol:

[carelesschucca]

Grant, if these riders are IAM members/instructors, they:

(a) should know better.
(b) should be setting a much better example to other riders.
(c) should be setting a better IAM example. When you renew your IAM annual membership you have to sign a declaration stating that you will continue to ride in an appropriate manner, follow the rules of the Highway Code, set an example to others, etc, etc (can't remember the exact wording).



I would take it that I’m one of the culprits for going to fast… Ho Hum!!! :) :)

I know a lot of people who don’t ride as quickly they are a damn sight more dangerous to ride with... This was mentioned and I was told to bolt...

I had some really big scares with people on my first SV ride out with 'slow riders' riding very erratically, so I decided that the best way to avoid this kinda behaviour is FLY LIKE THE CLAPPERS then sit far enough ahead to stay out of their way...

Have you ever been on an IAM Ride out... There are senior instructors that I ride with and they make the SV Ride's look slow, even the fast ones that go out... R U trying to say you never break the speed limit??? Are you that perfect or do you

I like to ride quickly if its in a fairly sensible manner, But it is all opinion... i feel confident at going at fairly high speeds. I don't expect people to try and keep up, I even say that to people, I don't expect it...

[northwind]

I'm really not sure what the issue is... Surely it's in everybody's interests not to force a pace, fast or slow, on anyone? If you slow a rider who likes going fast down, they're not going to enjoy themselves, one less rider on the next rideout. I don't see how it harms me or my enjoyment if (to choose a purely random example ;) ) Drew buggers off over the horizon. it's not like we were having a chat as we rode along.

Tigerrrr's views are as valid as anyone's though. It's easy to say that since he doesn't come out to play, he shouldn't have an opinion- but remember, he's telling us the reason he doesn't come out to play.

But the clincher for me is you choose your own pace. I generally choose a more sedate pace, I don't expect anyone to slow down for me. Drew chooses a rapid one and doesn't expect anyone to keep up. It seems a little like Tigerrr's expecting to choose a pace and have everyone else follow it. So for all I understand his views, I don't agree with it and I really don't think it'd be good to organise the rides along those lines.

Here's a thought though. There's absolutely no reason there couldn't be 2 groups on the rides, or even seperate rides for those who choose a slower pace. It could work out very well, in fact. It'd be potentially more welcoming for newer or less confident riders, as well as better for people who want to take it slow. I'd probably not join it, simply because I don't want my pace forced either way, but there's no reason other people couldn't go. And I reckon newer riders could benefit from it in other ways too- riding with more experienced riders is always good, when it's not a race.

[dirtydog]

Grant, if these riders are IAM members/instructors, they:

(a) should know better.
(b) should be setting a much better example to other riders.
(c) should be setting a better IAM example. When you renew your IAM annual membership you have to sign a declaration stating that you will continue to ride in an appropriate manner, follow the rules of the Highway Code, set an example to others, etc, etc (can't remember the exact wording).



I would take it that I’m one of the culprits for going to fast… Ho Hum!!! :) :)

I know a lot of people who don’t ride as quickly they are a damn sight more dangerous to ride with... This was mentioned and I was told to bolt...

I had some really big scares with people on my first SV ride out with 'slow riders' riding very erratically, so I decided that the best way to avoid this kinda behaviour is FLY LIKE THE CLAPPERS then sit far enough ahead to stay out of their way...

Have you ever been on an IAM Ride out... There are senior instructors that I ride with and they make the SV Ride's look slow, even the fast ones that go out... R U trying to say you never break the speed limit??? Are you that perfect or do you

I like to ride quickly if its in a fairly sensible manner, But it is all opinion... i feel confident at going at fairly high speeds. I don't expect people to try and keep up, I even say that to people, I don't expect it...


I guess i am one of those guilty of going faster than the speed limit lock me up and throw away the key :shock: :lol:

The Iam observers i have been out with are damn quick as well and they definitely bweren't sticking to the 60 zone we were in at the time!

I ride quickly but again like dean its in a controlled manner, that's the advantage of being IAM trained is it not?

JUst cos someone is slower than me why should i have to slow down? The group normally splits up into a couple of different groups anyway so what's the problem?


Alao as dean said do you never or have you never brokne a speed limit? if you have't then i bow to your greatness. :roll:
BTW your not called mpaton are you?

[Cronos]

Thanks for that, Hazel. I now know exactly where I stand, and the role of the moderator is clearly to supress opinion.

Let's be clear here; that's not the role of a moderator. Nor did Hazel attempt to supress anyone's opinion, rather she chose to express her own.

As for my opinion, well I'm going to choose to supress it for this particular thread. :wink: Play nicely folks! :D

[dirtydog]

Enjoy your rideouts. You won't see me again.



Bye then.

[GDBD59]

Er, now correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it a bit hard to "soialise" when you're riding a bike?

No matter how you want to ride on a run is always going to upset someone, not everyone rides at the same rate. I've only been on 2 ecosse runs as it's quite a trip up for me, and on both occassions i've ridden at my own pace and not worried about if somneone is going faster/slower than me. I'm no Rossi but i can hold my own on a ride out thanks, I don't feel it neccesary for other people to slow down or to ride beyond what they feel is comfortable to match my speed. I stick to most speed limits but if the road and weather condtions are good i'll crack it open a bit, and yes i do break the speed limit but i am not reckless or dangerous when i do it i ahve a few years riding experiance (about 10 years) and am IAM trained. So if we were all to ride at the same pace ie the slowest i wouldn't enjoy the ride so why would i bother? There would just be a few people going cos everyone would get bored at riding the slowest pace, numbers would dwindle and bang goes your social group



Well that's my tupance worth anyway.


My view too. Well put DD.

I only did about three 'ecosse' runs last year, & different speed groups formed on the runs I was on, with some folk acting as 'guides' to those that didn't know the route, which works well I think.
It depends whether there is a definite route plan before the date or whether it's 'made-up' at the meeting point........but the important thing is the communication at the stops. The bigger the group the more important it is.

[independentphoto]

RIDING IN GROUPS
by Ex. Insp. Kevin Fitzpatrick, in consultation with: Phil Curtis and Andy Morrison
Thames Valley Police Driving School


General

All of us love getting together with our friends and riding out on our bikes for either the day or the weekend, perhaps even longer. Whether it's a day at the coast or five days in the Black Forest in Germany the enjoyment is the same. Planning the route, sorting out the kit, prepping the bike and so on is all part of the fun. We all love it but are we always aware how easily it can end in tears?

I hate to say it but in the past few years there have been an increasing number of accidents (including fatal accidents) involving people riding in groups. Quite often the victim is either a newcomer to biking or someone who has only recently joined the group. Sometimes the group itself is new or had only got together for one ride.

Whatever the cause, with a few simple precautions and some common sense rules the run can not only be made safer but much more fun for all concerned. We have prepared the following to help organisers, who may be new to running trips, to plan a run with the benefit of other peoples (sometimes painful!) experiences.

A book such as 'Motorcyclists Welcome' by Peter Gleave is an invaluable asset when organising trips if you wish to ensure that your accomodation will be suitable for groups of motorcyclists and that secure parking is available. The added benefit that can be had is a photocopy of the page containing details of the location to which they're heading.

Route Planning

Whether you are looking for the quickest, motorway based route or a more challenging ride through the countryside you need to think about where you are going to make stops and to sort out rendezvous points in case you all get split up.

When making these plans you need to consider the comfortable range of all the bikes on the trip as well as the ability of the riders to ride for long distances.

To avoid mishap it is a good idea to give everyone a copy of:

the route to be taken (list of roads and/or a route map)
stopping places / rv points
each others mobile phone numbers
If someone does go astray they are less likely to get worried or do stupid things to catch up if they know where they are supposed to be heading and how to make contact with the rest of the group.



The Running Order

This is critical to get right if you want a safe and successful run for the whole gang so this point is worth spending some time on.

You often hear it said that you should put the slowest bike out in front - but think for a minute what will happen if you do that. The slowest one is frequently one of the least experienced riders on a less than quick bike, does he or she really want the responsibility of leading the way? What about the perceived pressure from those behind to 'get a move on!'? Or conversely, do the others really want to be stuck behind Timmy Slowcoach for the whole trip? Some fun that would be!

The reality is that it never happens. The group may start out with the slowest in front but pretty soon some of the others get fed up, start overtaking each other, blatting off and before you know it it's all gone to rats and you never get them together again this side of Christmas!

If, like me, you've found yourself at the ferry port waiting and wondering if the others are ever going to show up (especially the bloke with the tickets!) you'll know that this scenario is to be avoided like the plague!

So what is the best order to ride in?

Well for a start the leader/navigator should be out in front. He or she should have studied and be familiar with the route and should have the riding skills and the bike to make reasonable progress.

At the back you need a 'sweeper'. This should be an experienced member of the team (or a pair of good riders) on a big, reliable bike - one with a turn of speed if required. This rider should, like the leader, also be familiar with the route to be taken and should, if possible, have a mobile phone or other means of communication. The job of the sweeper is to look out for stragglers or break -downs and to make sure no-one gets left behind or has an accident without being noticed.

Between the leader and the sweeper you can afford to spread out a bit. Usually riders will pair up with people they know and little sub groups can form - not a problem if everybody is still singing from the same song sheet. As a rule it is best to keep the newer riders well up towards the front where they can be a bit protected by their more experienced companions.



Rules of the Road

When out on the road there are two golden rules for a successful group run and these need agreeing by everyone before the start:

No overtaking each other without prior planning and
Ride to the bike behind you not the one in front
There is nothing more likely to break up a group of riders than Tommy Teararse getting a cob on in the middle of the pack and burning off past everyone with one or two of the quicker bikes in hot pursuit.

Okay, it's their trip as well and you've no right to demand that they ride along with everybody else the whole time. What is fair though is that they wait for the stop then let you know they are going to be having a 'blat' on the next stage of the journey. You can then warn the rest that a couple of riders will be out of the group for a while and you can arrange to meet up at the next stop.

'Riding to the bike behind' is more serious and is the key to the whole concept of good group riding.

Basically, one of the main causes of accidents is when the riders in the group play 'follow my leader' and constantly try to keep up with the bike in front. You often see riders towards the back of a group doing stupid things like overtaking on white lines, flying into blind bends, speeding in the most inappropriate places and even jumping red lights in an effort to catch up.

This can easily be avoided, without having to crawl along in a big group, if you just keep the bike behind you in your mirrors all the time. That way you can make as much progress as you like and only need slow down or stop if you can't see that bike for any extended period. Certainly, never turn left or right or deviate from the 'ahead' course without being sure that the follower has seen you.

By exercising this simple technique you will be amazed how you can enjoy the higher speed runs along more challenging roads without having to sacrifice the group concept.



Worth paying any heed too folks?

[SVTONYB]

I've been going on rideouts with you Guys since 2001.....and I have enjoyed every single one. I have taken the lead and I have taken the tail end and I have enjoyed every one. 8)

I have noticed and I applaud that when we go through a 30 zone we stay below 30 and when in a 40 zone we stay below 40. That is to be applauded because very few road users do....cars/vans/buses/trucks/police/fire/ambulance included.

Whenever we return from rideouts we imediately post on here with enthusiasm about our experiences and the majority if not all post that they enjoyed it even when the weather is ****e. :roll:

There are some riders who go fast and some who go slow. I have never criticised anyone for flaunting the speed limit but at the same time I have never thought less of someone who likes to ride slower (each to their own).

One of the things that I have noticed on rideouts is that other groups of bikes tend to pass us and not the other way round......but hell thats up to them. :evil:

As you have pointed out Tiger you had a hand in organising a couple of rideouts in 2004 thanks for that because it always seems to be the same people who organise them and Nutty and Grant have organised loads and I for one am guilty of sitting back and allowing others to organise them. :roll:

It sounds to me Tiger that you prefer riding with your other group of friends thats fine but dont go in a huff just because people react when you criticise them. Remember there are 2 things you shouldnt criticise a man for
1. his performance in bed
2. his driving/riding ability

OK then lets get another one organised so we can have a group hug :wink:

[Tigerrrr.......]

RIDING IN GROUPS
by Ex. Insp. Kevin Fitzpatrick, in consultation with: Phil Curtis and Andy Morrison
Thames Valley Police Driving School


General

All of us love getting together with our friends and riding out on our bikes for either the day or the weekend, perhaps even longer. Whether it's a day at the coast or five days in the Black Forest in Germany the enjoyment is the same. Planning the route, sorting out the kit, prepping the bike and so on is all part of the fun. We all love it but are we always aware how easily it can end in tears?

I hate to say it but in the past few years there have been an increasing number of accidents (including fatal accidents) involving people riding in groups. Quite often the victim is either a newcomer to biking or someone who has only recently joined the group. Sometimes the group itself is new or had only got together for one ride.

Whatever the cause, with a few simple precautions and some common sense rules the run can not only be made safer but much more fun for all concerned. We have prepared the following to help organisers, who may be new to running trips, to plan a run with the benefit of other peoples (sometimes painful!) experiences.

A book such as 'Motorcyclists Welcome' by Peter Gleave is an invaluable asset when organising trips if you wish to ensure that your accomodation will be suitable for groups of motorcyclists and that secure parking is available. The added benefit that can be had is a photocopy of the page containing details of the location to which they're heading.

Route Planning

Whether you are looking for the quickest, motorway based route or a more challenging ride through the countryside you need to think about where you are going to make stops and to sort out rendezvous points in case you all get split up.

When making these plans you need to consider the comfortable range of all the bikes on the trip as well as the ability of the riders to ride for long distances.

To avoid mishap it is a good idea to give everyone a copy of:

the route to be taken (list of roads and/or a route map)
stopping places / rv points
each others mobile phone numbers
If someone does go astray they are less likely to get worried or do stupid things to catch up if they know where they are supposed to be heading and how to make contact with the rest of the group.



The Running Order

This is critical to get right if you want a safe and successful run for the whole gang so this point is worth spending some time on.

You often hear it said that you should put the slowest bike out in front - but think for a minute what will happen if you do that. The slowest one is frequently one of the least experienced riders on a less than quick bike, does he or she really want the responsibility of leading the way? What about the perceived pressure from those behind to 'get a move on!'? Or conversely, do the others really want to be stuck behind Timmy Slowcoach for the whole trip? Some fun that would be!

The reality is that it never happens. The group may start out with the slowest in front but pretty soon some of the others get fed up, start overtaking each other, blatting off and before you know it it's all gone to rats and you never get them together again this side of Christmas!

If, like me, you've found yourself at the ferry port waiting and wondering if the others are ever going to show up (especially the bloke with the tickets!) you'll know that this scenario is to be avoided like the plague!

So what is the best order to ride in?

Well for a start the leader/navigator should be out in front. He or she should have studied and be familiar with the route and should have the riding skills and the bike to make reasonable progress.

At the back you need a 'sweeper'. This should be an experienced member of the team (or a pair of good riders) on a big, reliable bike - one with a turn of speed if required. This rider should, like the leader, also be familiar with the route to be taken and should, if possible, have a mobile phone or other means of communication. The job of the sweeper is to look out for stragglers or break -downs and to make sure no-one gets left behind or has an accident without being noticed.

Between the leader and the sweeper you can afford to spread out a bit. Usually riders will pair up with people they know and little sub groups can form - not a problem if everybody is still singing from the same song sheet. As a rule it is best to keep the newer riders well up towards the front where they can be a bit protected by their more experienced companions.



Rules of the Road

When out on the road there are two golden rules for a successful group run and these need agreeing by everyone before the start:

No overtaking each other without prior planning and
Ride to the bike behind you not the one in front
There is nothing more likely to break up a group of riders than Tommy Teararse getting a cob on in the middle of the pack and burning off past everyone with one or two of the quicker bikes in hot pursuit.

Okay, it's their trip as well and you've no right to demand that they ride along with everybody else the whole time. What is fair though is that they wait for the stop then let you know they are going to be having a 'blat' on the next stage of the journey. You can then warn the rest that a couple of riders will be out of the group for a while and you can arrange to meet up at the next stop.

'Riding to the bike behind' is more serious and is the key to the whole concept of good group riding.

Basically, one of the main causes of accidents is when the riders in the group play 'follow my leader' and constantly try to keep up with the bike in front. You often see riders towards the back of a group doing stupid things like overtaking on white lines, flying into blind bends, speeding in the most inappropriate places and even jumping red lights in an effort to catch up.

This can easily be avoided, without having to crawl along in a big group, if you just keep the bike behind you in your mirrors all the time. That way you can make as much progress as you like and only need slow down or stop if you can't see that bike for any extended period. Certainly, never turn left or right or deviate from the 'ahead' course without being sure that the follower has seen you.

By exercising this simple technique you will be amazed how you can enjoy the higher speed runs along more challenging roads without having to sacrifice the group concept.



Worth paying any heed too folks?

Excellent post, Independentphoto, from an author who has some credentials and knows what he's talking about. Very interesting points about running order and Golden Rules/overtaking.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm no riding God and make plenty of mistakes as we all do at times, but it's clear that group riding can be highly enjoyable for all, but it also has the potential to end in disaster in a split second if basic rules (above) are not adhered to. That's the problem I have with the SV group. Some have been lost, left behind, etc, etc....see Northy's earlier post.

Perhaps the group just needs to be better organised and have some rules set, then we'd perhaps all be happier....and safer.

Cheers.

[SVTONYB]

Must agree an excellent guide with plenty of pointers worth thinking about and putting into action.
Many of the points we actually do without realising and of course many we dont.

[kazglasgow]

Hello Folks,

An interesting read! See what you have started Jim! :lol:

Oban sounds good. Where do you all meet considering we are spread out a wee bit? Stirling services? Over A811 to Loch Lomond A82 Down to Lochgilphead, lochside then A811 again. If I am ****ing on somebodys' parade here ...sorry :wink:

Poll was a good suggestion to settle on a date.

Can some boffin, make it so?

Andy

[jim@55]

iv started a fight and ran away :lol: but seriousley -many good points raised here most of us want the same things on a ride-out -a good laugh/scenery and no incidents(well no injuries ) :lol: teres a few' senior'members on here(not old)that could take over and organize these things ,apart from grant and hazel ,so lets get it sorted :wink: and let the fighting commence :lol:

[carelesschucca]

Hey, I've organised a few runs too, i get no credit around here... Last one I did no one got left behind cause all the stops were within 20 miles of each other Directions were given and everything was sorted...

I've a ride out, lets just go to the Dukes Pass, we can go back and forward all day, fun and a little excercise!!! Wonder why I don't get to organise them anymore!!! :wink:

[kazglasgow]

:lol: :lol:

Got my SV in july last year for commuting and my missus. That was the first and last proper run I went. THE DUKES PASS 8) .

I swear I could not walk right for a week after going back and forth , hanging off like a complete goon :roll: :lol:

My GSX14 seat is bigger than my sofa and the only time I "hang orf" is when I'm falling off.

Definetly a Kilmahog- Aberfoyle man me'sel!

You get my vote if there is a pretty osteopath in Aberfoyle :wink: 8)


Andy

[dirtydog]

I've a ride out, lets just go to the Dukes Pass, we can go back and forward all day, fun and a little excercise!!! Wonder why I don't get to organise them anymore!!! :wink:


Like the sound of that one :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[l3xus01]

not been out wi u guys yet but good to see good points put forward on both sides...hope to get out wi use now to see what all the fuss is about and hope as many people turn up as have had views on this.... should be busy with PLENTY to squabble about!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

I've a ride out, lets just go to the Dukes Pass, we can go back and forward all day, fun and a little excercise!!! Wonder why I don't get to organise them anymore!!! :wink:


Like the sound of that one :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

not for me thanx :lol:

[Blue Flame]

Wow,

Loads of posts since i was last online. apologies for not posting reply to your post Tigerrrrr but I've been down south yesterday and today....


I've met you a couple of times and you seem a very decent chap, so let's not fall out over all this.

I'm not going to add a great deal as a number of replies have been made since I was last on...... however....................... :wink: please be assured that my replies to your posts were not about you as a person but about the fact fact that I disagreed with some of your comments. There is nothing to fall out over as long as a conversation remains a conversation and does not degenerate into trading insults and i do not think that that has happened. I am simply disagreeing with your point of view and suggesting that you come to another rideout now that we are a couple of years down the line and you can see if your opinion on the rideouts has changed.

If you feel it hasn't or you still do not enjoy it then fine but your current comments on SV Rideouts are based on an 'old' experience.

Hey, I've organised a few runs too, i get no credit around here...

Absolutely :wink: Apart from one or two runs that I have organised the others I have just posted routes up for and I cannot take the credit for organising them. There are plenty of peeps that have organised runs.

Tigerrrr's views are as valid as anyone's though. It's easy to say that since he doesn't come out to play, he shouldn't have an opinion- but remember, he's telling us the reason he doesn't come out to play.

I have never said that he shouldn't have an opinion. Of course everybody is entitled to an opinion. I have only expressed my opinion that his opinion on SV Ecosse rideouts is potentially outdated and that he should come and test his opinion on another rideout now that we are two years down the line from his last experience. (phew !! I know there are two many 'opinions' in that sentence)

Then if his opinion still stands......then and only then......well he is not entitled to his opinion anymore. :twisted: (Only joking Tigerrr!!)

[Tigerrrr.......]

Hi, Grant.

Glad we've not fallen out and you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am.

You say my rideout views are based on old experiences. That's certainly true, but can you expand on how the rideouts have changed since the Moffat/Glencoe ones I was on in 2004 and if any of the points from the policeman's quote above have been implemented. For example, is a running order agreed, is overtaking done only by prior arrangement or do riders ride to the person behind? All golden rules according to the expert.

Cheers.

Tigerrrr.......

[Blue Flame]

I think that, as indeed others have alluded to in earlier posts, the pointers that are in the posts are fairly well adhered to:-

As with everything in life there is always areas that could be improved on for the next ride. (not bringing enough maps is one example that occasionally happens, and when that occurs the riding to the bike behind becomes particularily important).

Sometimes riding to the bike behind does not work due to other traffic / roadworks traffic lights etc etc (as the writer himself acknowledges) however key changes in route direction have been generally well managed in these situations with the rider in front pausing at the offending junction to ensure that the rider behind can see that there is a deviation.

Running orders are sorted at the start and there is not any overtaking to write home about (where there is overtaking it tends to be early on as some riders settle to their natural pace, and this is fine and done in safe straight sections of road and is minimised due to the start off positions).

Their is certainly no racing/jostling for position to see who will arrive at the next checkpoint first. So as far as overtaking by prior arrangement is concerned I think that this is generally well managed.

There is always a leader although there have been sometimes a lack of a sweeper although I don't view that as particularily critical item if the other rules are being followed however its something to think about.

Hope this helps

[northwind]

TBH I don't see any merit in "no overtakes unless agreed" for us. I think that the agreement can be pretty much inferred, it's an essential part of finding the speed of the group and your place in it. If you're i a small group of riders with similiar experience and pace who know each other then yes, I can certainly see why it would be good.

Not really too convinced by "ride to the pace of the person behind" either, I really think the absolute golden rule for most people on our rideouts is to ride to no pace but your own. It prevents frustration and spoiling the ride of the fast rider who wants to push on, and it reduces the risk of their being a temptation to push yourself.

Also, it removes the guilt that a rider might feel in that situation- if you think you're spoiling the ride of the faster rider in front then you're more likely to speed up, and may be put off coming to future rides. How many times do you read or hear people say they're afraid to join a ride because they're too slow, or too inexperienced?

As long as the ride's well organised- people have each other's mobile numbers, and know where they're going- then getting left behind just shouldn't be a crisis. Personally I'd always rather be left behind than hold somone up.

[Anonymous]

the only further point i can make is that slower riders seem to think they should position themselves to t he rear of the ride for fear of slowing up faster riders. the further back the ride you are the faster you have to ride to catch up. maybe an idea for those slower riders to position themself behind front runner. but then not everyone thinks of themselves as a slow rider. I class myself as a middle of the road rider not the slowest but not the fastest.

so maybe the speed demons should go to the back that way they can slow down and then ride as fast as they want to catch up. maybe have a designated front runner and rear marker, lots of maps and lots of stops. many more rules and its going to be too much effort. its supposed to be fun and i usually have fun. saying that the last run - st andrews - i didnt enjoy but that was due to horrible coating of grease, diesel and **** on the roads.

[Quedos]

Also, it removes the guilt that a rider might feel in that situation- if you think you're spoiling the ride of the faster rider in front then you're more likely to speed up, and may be put off coming to future rides. How many times do you read or hear people say they're afraid to join a ride because they're too slow, or too inexperienced?

As long as the ride's well organised- people have each other's mobile numbers, and know where they're going- then getting left behind just shouldn't be a crisis. Personally I'd always rather be left behind than hold somone up.

I agree with the above having been on one rideout with the guys and gals. I felt rotten that someone had to wait at each junction for me. I had brought the directions and knew where everyone was stopping en route. though i feel that the guys and gals should make it clear at the beginning that they are happy to wait for the back markers. I was told to get more experience before joining the rideout again. That made me feel bad and not wanting to join in again :cry:

[jim@55]

quedos -who told u to get more experience??thats bang out of order everybody starts at the beginning .im not an experienced rider and would not expect it if somebody said that ,most likely there would be at least a few words said and maybe a few blows .this annoys me and im sure im not alone ,name the culprit ,they should be banned from future ride-outs at least .ok u and garry were at the rear of the group but so what !maybe down to u having a 250 when most of us had 650s .if whover said it was on a 250 i bet it would be a diff story.wish more people knew about this at the time.im sorryand very angry to hear this :evil: :evil:

[northwind]

I was told to get more experience before joining the rideout again. That made me feel bad and not wanting to join in again :cry:

That's pretty poor... Though it might not have been meant as badly as it sounded? maybe it was.

[SVTONYB]

I was told to get more experience before joining the rideout again. That made me feel bad and not wanting to join in again :cry:

That sort of comment is not on :twisted:

The best way to get experience is to come out with us pick an experienced rider and let them know you will be following them. They will guide you through the route and you will pick up on correct positioning and correct speed for bends and corners. If they are aware that you are following them then they will take it easy and slowly build up the pace and when you are falling behind they will slow down again.
Its all about practice, practice ,practice and where better than with us
The Ecosse Posse :wink:

So take what you were told by the prima donna with a pinch of salt and get yirsel oot wae the boys (and girls) :wink:

[Anonymous]

i hope it wasnt me that said that. I remember speaking to gary as you were quite upset about holding us up and I told him we were all happy to stop lots and just wanted you to have a good day. I did say the best thing is to get out on the bike lots and get lots of experience but I didnt mean you couldnt come out with us to get that experience.

[Quedos]

Nutty i can assure you that it was not you :D

You and Grant (?) made me think about staying with the group instead of heading home. Beside it was a guy - names i do not know. It annoys me that it still urks me now. two nights ago i said that I wouldn't go back out on a rideout but reading this and remembering why we go out and the welcome i got despite the bike made me realise that its cutting my nose of to spite my face and will stick around for a while.

Besides I'll need all the advice and help I can get when upgrading - which may not be that far away (i'm in the money!!) :wink:

[Quedos]

!maybe down to u having a 250 when most of us had 650s .:

Aye but different now I found that the speedo doesn't stop at fifty and the bike doesn't shake itself to pieces at 70 :twisted: :twisted:

[Anonymous]

cool we will see you on next rideout then :lol:

[GDBD59]

I agree with the above having been on one rideout with the guys and gals. I felt rotten that someone had to wait at each junction for me. I had brought the directions and knew where everyone was stopping en route. though i feel that the guys and gals should make it clear at the beginning that they are happy to wait for the back markers. I was told to get more experience before joining the rideout again. That made me feel bad and not wanting to join in again :cry:


Gulp, I wonder if it was me :shock: I've got a way of delivering a line in totally the wrong way......... :-# If you've only been on one run with the group Quedos, I was on it too. ( The evidence is mounting)

If I remember correctly Grant took the lead & I rode 'sweeper' some of the time because I also knew the route......I had no problem with waiting at some junctions, I was just trying to stop anyone getting lost........I then had the fun of catching up again. (Guess Tigerrrr wouldn't like that..... :-$ )

In the time I've had my SV Quedos, I've been on about 8 - 10 runs & it's been standard practice to stop at various intervals,- some scheduled, sometimes impromptue.
I've been on runs with one other group & they do the same. It's part of the day........thinking about it now, I don't think I've ever thought "........now what've we stopped for......" Apart from anything else, it's good to know everyone's safe.

So if it was me...........humble apologies.
Gary

[SVTONYB]

I would hope that you picked it up wrong if not ignore it and come along
you know you want to :wink:

[northwind]

Gulp, I wonder if it was me :shock: I've got a way of delivering a line in totally the wrong way...


Something along the lines of "Quedos, you're *****, now **** off and don't come back till you can ride"? :)

[SVTONYB]

Something along the lines of "Quedos, you're *****, now **** off and don't come back till you can ride"? :)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Quedos]

Gulp, I wonder if it was me :shock: I've got a way of delivering a line in totally the wrong way......... :-# If you've only been on one run with the group Quedos, I was on it too. ( The evidence is mounting)

If I remember correctly Grant took the lead & I rode 'sweeper' some of the time because I also knew the route......I had no problem with waiting at some junctions, I was just trying to stop anyone getting lost........I then had the fun of catching up again. (Guess Tigerrrr wouldn't like that..... :-$ )

So if it was me...........humble apologies.
Gary

I remember you!!!! and i don't recall it being you unless you've aged somewhat. I remember feeling really guilty everytime i saw you coz you always went to play catch up and i thought you would hate me for holding you up. Least i now know that was a blonde moment!

Besides as Nutty say - do it now life is short - and i'm really hard to get rid of once i'm there.
So you're stuck with me. :notworthy: :rant: :riding:

[northwind]

I propose we split into 2 groups, or teams. We can have Team Fast Bikes Video, and Team Cowardly. I nominate myself captain of Team Cowardly.

[dirtydog]

I propose we split into 2 groups, or teams. We can have Team Fast Bikes Video, and Team falling off a lot. I nominate myself captain of
Team falling off a lot.

[Blue Flame]

Nutty i can assure you that it was not you :D

You and Grant (?) made me think about staying with the group instead of heading home. Beside it was a guy

Hold on a sec. I've just read this again and am now feeling not quite as butch as I used to :cry: :wink:

[Anonymous]

Nutty i can assure you that it was not you :D

You and Grant (?) made me think about staying with the group instead of heading home. Beside it was a guy

Hold on a sec. I've just read this again and am now feeling not quite as butch as I used to :cry: :wink:


you used to feel butch :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cronos]

you used to feel butch :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who's Butch? :? :shock:

[Anonymous]

you used to feel butch :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who's Butch? :? :shock:


is that not your nick name :wink: