New Speed Cameras in London

[curium]

I've recently noticed that some of the Gatso type speed cameras are being replaced by cameras which are smaller, sit higher up and are angled down more sharply to the road.

Anyone know if they have new capabilities or is it business as usual?

There are 2 on Finchley Rd (A41) by the O2 centre and 1 on the eastbound Nth Circular (A406) just before the M11 junction.

[Spiderman]

I noticed that one by the O2 centre on my way home this evening. I thought they had just moved it from that ridiculous siting in the middle of the road, but then i glanced up and saw a smaller camera.

Must look into that one as i sonetime go home that way on a friday after soho.... when the roads are empty enough to wanna go just a litle too quick.

[Spiderman]

Just seen this thread, http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=35394 is it one of these up there?
I didnt actualy see a camera by the time i noticed the pole and the new marks on the road.

[curium]

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/g308.jpg
That is indeed the one.

Need to be very careful as they are so high-up that they are not immediately obvious.

I almost missed the one on the A41 as previous there was only one covering 1 carriageway but they have a 2nd one covering the other carriageway now which I almost missed.

[Spiderman]

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/g308.jpg
That is indeed the one.

Need to be very careful as they are so high-up that they are not immediately obvious.

I almost missed the one on the A41 as previous there was only one covering 1 carriageway but they have a 2nd one covering the other carriageway now which I almost missed.

thanks for the heads up mate. ive been away for a couple of weeks and the sneaky feckers go and throw these up. I dont think anyone actually speeds around the O2 tbh, its just full of bad drivers on fones. When will they make a camera that cathes these types then? :roll:

or the silly bint on the way home tonite who seemed to think that driving her beetle was similar to being in the dentist's waiting room..... she was reading a magazine with one hand and only glancing up every now and then. She's obviously far safer than i am when i go 10mph over the limit on an empty road. :hackedoff:

[Jelster]

Noticed a couple on the A40 to, at Park Royal by the traffic lights (and yes, there are lines in the road, so it's not a "jump cam"...)

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[Gnan]

be careful these cameras (if they go across the stop lights at traffic lights) are used for BOTH speeding and red light offences

[lynw]

Need to be very careful as they are so high-up that they are not immediately obvious.

hmmmm as mentioned to Dan at the Selkent meet, they still need the lines on the road so perhaps your observation may not necessarily have to be skyward :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Gnan]

apparently these ones do not neccesarily need the dragons teeth lines for secondary corroboration..

[lynw]

apparently these ones do not neccesarily need the dragons teeth lines for secondary corroboration..

interesting will keep an eye out for others. I know for definite the one on City Road has the lines there.

[I'm_a_Newbie]

Hi

MCN did a piece on these new type of cameras a couple of weeks ago. I believe they are called Red Spy cameras. MCN were suggesting that these cameras work on a fixed distance but variable time as apposed to Gatsos that work on fixed time and variable distance.

MCN's article stated that in some cases (if not all) the time is not given in the details that are posted to you saying you have been nabbed at xx miles an hour in an xx miles an hour speed limit zone. This means you will not be able to calculate your speed youself. MCN suggested that you opt for a court case and DO NOT CHASE the police for evidence. You must pray however that the police do not send all of the evidence to you at least 7 days before your trial, this includes the crucial time needed to calculate your speed. MCN stated that many forces were inept and did not send the defendant evidence before a trial. All you have to do is walk into court and state that the Police failed in their requirement to send you all evidence they have against you in the required time frame before the trial and the case will be thrown out. Even if they do send you some evidence but omit this crucial time reading then you are off scott free as all evidence must be provided. MCN suggested that some forces would send evidence but omit the time as they didn't know it themselves. The article named two separate laws that backup the 7 day rule of the police providing all evidence at least 7 days before your trial.

If you do get caught and decide to take the court route in the hope of getting off, don't blame me if you get done. You take your own risk in this action, I am just informing you of a possible route out of prosecution. Perhaps members of this forum can post if they are caught, was the time code provided in the NIP and what action they took, pay up or court, and in the case of court what happened.

What do you all think?

Kind regards
Tim

[I'm_a_Newbie]

Hi Me Again

I also remember reading that these cameras can cover more than 1 lane at the same time, they are also digital so they never run out of film.

Kind regards
Tim

[Gnan]

same as any other GATSO really, except you're more likely to get a NIP.

they can adjust the speed threshold remotely as well, which could be interesting...

[Sudoxe]

Hi Me Again

I also remember reading that these cameras can cover more than 1 lane at the same time, they are also digital so they never run out of film.

Kind regards
Tim
I want to know how they got arround the digital image problem. Someone took them to court in australia I believe because there was no way of proveing the image hadn't been altered, since md5 and other hashes have known holes.

Dan

[lukemillar]

be careful these cameras (if they go across the stop lights at traffic lights) are used for BOTH speeding and red light offences

Ahh that makes sense! They have put one up on Kentish Town High Street, though it is still wrapped in polythene. I thought it was the most pointless camera ever given that the chances of being able to reach 20 are slim let alone get to 35+! It is right next to a set of lights though...

[Gnan]

to be honest the best cameras are the ones that you can never reach the speed limit - because the chances are speeding would GENUINELY be dangerous at that site!

[Ceri JC]

Hi

MCN did a piece on these new type of cameras a couple of weeks ago. I believe they are called Red Spy cameras. MCN were suggesting that these cameras work on a fixed distance but variable time as apposed to Gatsos that work on fixed time and variable distance.

MCN's article stated that in some cases (if not all) the time is not given in the details that are posted to you saying you have been nabbed at xx miles an hour in an xx miles an hour speed limit zone. This means you will not be able to calculate your speed youself. MCN suggested that you opt for a court case and DO NOT CHASE the police for evidence. You must pray however that the police do not send all of the evidence to you at least 7 days before your trial, this includes the crucial time needed to calculate your speed. MCN stated that many forces were inept and did not send the defendant evidence before a trial. All you have to do is walk into court and state that the Police failed in their requirement to send you all evidence they have against you in the required time frame before the trial and the case will be thrown out. Even if they do send you some evidence but omit this crucial time reading then you are off scott free as all evidence must be provided. MCN suggested that some forces would send evidence but omit the time as they didn't know it themselves. The article named two separate laws that backup the 7 day rule of the police providing all evidence at least 7 days before your trial.

If you do get caught and decide to take the court route in the hope of getting off, don't blame me if you get done. You take your own risk in this action, I am just informing you of a possible route out of prosecution. Perhaps members of this forum can post if they are caught, was the time code provided in the NIP and what action they took, pay up or court, and in the case of court what happened.

What do you all think?

Kind regards
Tim

It's a popular defence, but sadly I believe the court can, at its discretion, simply adjourn for a week or so, to let you look at the evidence. For crimes like speeding, I also reckon that they'd be inclined to believe you were simply time wasting (it's not like you were expecting anything other than photographs from a camera, or a video, either of which you could have requested, dependning on how you were caught) and aside from merely adjourning (if the evidence is legit, what are you going to do in that time, anyway?) they will (unofficially, of course) be pre-disposed to treat you more harshly on the grounds that you're time wasting. A family friend who is a magistrate has told me that aside from appearing contrite, the best thing you can do to minimise your punishment is to admit guilt as early as possible and not time waste at all. As harsh/unfair as that strikes me (this American culture of, "if you fight it, we'll come down harder on you, so even if you're innocent, just plead guilty"), that's the way it's usually done for traffic offences in magistrates court.

I've even heard of people complaining when highly complex, or large amounts of, evidence are sent with literally hours (before the 7 days deadline) and there is no way you could reasonably go through it all in that time. This is know as an "ambush" and the court will often be prepared to adjourn for this and will generally give the opposition a slap on the wrist for doing it. As mentioned though, that's a bit different to 2 photos or a video.

The other excepetion I can think of is where they adjourn for say, 2 weeks and insist that the prosecution send you a copy of the evidence and when you are next at court, they still haven't sent it. At that stage there'd be a much stronger case for chucking the case out than the first instance.

I looked into all this because of this http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=35013&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=bye+bye+licence+license&start=0. Digging out my old Law notes and asking an (admittedly non-traffic expert) solicitor and a magistrate revealed the above. I'm still, for obvious reasons, highly interested in the possibility of this defence. I'd just like to see some reliable stats on what percentage were thrown out and how many were just adjourned.

So if anyone has any, please pass them on! :thumbsup: