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SV650Racer
03-04-06, 03:38 PM
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
The Basket
03-04-06, 03:45 PM
Eh? For this year? Forever?
Flamin_Squirrel
03-04-06, 03:46 PM
:!:
Are they going to be doing any kind of replacement?
SV650Racer
03-04-06, 03:51 PM
forever so i have been told. Dont know about replacement either but i am sure there will be something in the pipeline.
If it's the end of the SV1000/S then it's a sad day indeed. I personally think Suzuki did a very poor styling/marketing job of what is a very good (and much under-rated) motorcycle. Great shame.
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If it's the end of the SV1000/S then it's a sad day indeed. I personally think Suzuki did a very poor styling/marketing job of what is a very good (and much under-rated) motorcycle. Great shame.
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I think they where hoping that everyone that had a 650 would upgrade.
Flamin_Squirrel
03-04-06, 04:00 PM
If it's the end of the SV1000/S then it's a sad day indeed. I personally think Suzuki did a very poor styling/marketing job of what is a very good (and much under-rated) motorcycle. Great shame.
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I think they where hoping that everyone that had a 650 would upgrade.
I agree. But Gregs right, they did a poor job marketing it. The SV1000 although 'better' than the 650, still seems like another budget bike. Great if thats what you want, but no if you're up grading. Saying that, big twins never seem to sell that well anyway :cry:
Peter Henry
03-04-06, 04:02 PM
Jonboy...Much as I know you have a soft spot for the SV1000,it obviously has not hit enough hot spots with enough buyers to justify it's presence in the Suzuki line up anymore.
Next to go the Sv????????? :?
Ceri JC
03-04-06, 04:02 PM
Finally ran out of left over TL lumps, perhaps?
A sad day indeed.
Red ones
03-04-06, 04:03 PM
Not a surprise - never really sold and always looked down upon by the GSXR and R1 crowd
I must admit I would have prefered a Fazer thou over the SV
Peter Henry
03-04-06, 04:12 PM
Don't all go in to mourning,Hyosung are bound to launch an air cooled version real soon! :wink:
i like the SV1000,
hopefully it will be replaced by a 1000cc V-twin that doesnt look too V-storm like.
i think a sports 600 V-twin would be a great bike, id buy one right away if one came about.
(the SV is a bit too budget for me now im used to the reliablilty of my CBR)
Jonboy...Much as I know you have a soft spot for the SV1000,it obviously has not hit enough hot spots with enough buyers to justify it's presence in the Suzuki line up anymore.
Perfectly true Peter, but more I suggest due to Suzuki's poor marketing (and please note just how good the special SZversion looked - had they looked this good from the off, they would have sold heaps more)
Next to go the Sv????????? :?
No, it sells too well and earns them plenty of money.
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Ceri JC
03-04-06, 04:17 PM
i like the SV1000,
hopefully it will be replaced by a 1000cc V-twin that doesnt look too V-storm like.
i think a sports 600 V-twin would be a great bike, id buy one right away if one came about.
(the SV is a bit too budget for me now im used to the reliablilty of my CBR)
A Sports 750 (a proper "poor man's ducati") aimed as being a SS600 alternative (in terms of cost, BHP, insurance, etc.) would be great.
i like the SV1000,
hopefully it will be replaced by a 1000cc V-twin that doesnt look too V-storm like.
i think a sports 600 V-twin would be a great bike, id buy one right away if one came about.
(the SV is a bit too budget for me now im used to the reliablilty of my CBR)
A Sports 750 (a proper "poor man's ducati") aimed as being a SS600 alternative (in terms of cost, BHP, insurance, etc.) would be great.
the closest thing is the VFR, but its a bit upright, and touring like,
then you got the VFR400's that arnt in production any more.
or an SP-1 (track beast)
from hondas range.
was thinking about the V-storm, but it just looks pants.
kwak zzr
03-04-06, 04:20 PM
bring back the WIDOW MAKER!
bring back the WIDOW MAKER!
was that the TLR ?
They never made the 1000 sporty enough in my opinion. In this country everyone is obsessed with sports bikes and sports tourers don't tend to have the same kudos and desire.
It could have been a good option for those looking at SS600's if only they had made it more appealing. Hence why I went down the SS600 route when I could have (and from Suzuki's point of view SHOULD have) gone for the 1000.
I would have liked a V Twin 1000 sports bike with the same BHP as my 600 but with more low down grunt if they could have cut a bit of weight and fixed the styling without increasing the price by much.
They never made the 1000 sporty enough in my opinion. In this country everyone is obsessed with sports bikes and sports tourers don't tend to have the same kudos and desire.
It could have been a good option for those looking at SS600's if only they had made it more appealing. Hence why I went down the SS600 route when I could have (and from Suzuki's point of view SHOULD have) gone for the 1000.
I would have liked a V Twin 1000 sports bike with the same BHP as my 600 but with more low down grunt if they could have cut a bit of weight and fixed the styling without increasing the price by much.
i suppose thats why the new trumpet daytona is so appealing at the moment,
hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit.
Peter Henry
03-04-06, 04:32 PM
How about if they really decide to raise an eye brow or two and bring out a V4 based on their Moto GP bike? :wink: :P
How about if they really decide to raise an eye brow or two and bring out a V4 based on their Moto GP bike? :wink: :P
or a V5 RC211 :)
with a years free insurance
i recon you would need it
Peter Henry
03-04-06, 04:37 PM
Well I was just thinking that no-one has really challenged the Viffer have they? Certainly not with a similar package. Suzuki could introduce a slightly more "raw" package and no doubt under cut Honda and potentially be on to a winner? :wink:
I think that the budget SV1000 was all wrong 2. A few more quid on a decent frontend and a nice rear shock would have help it loads. Just look at the GSX14 things, they are so old, but they have been market/styled much better. Plus that agressive mussle bike thing really sells. Push up those torque values a bit too.
Well I was just thinking that no-one has really challenged the Viffer have they? Certainly not with a similar package. Suzuki could introduce a slightly more "raw" package and no doubt under cut Honda and potentially be on to a winner? :wink:
the triumph ST was supposed to be aimed at the vfr market wasnt it ?
and alot of the magasines said it was better than the viffer.
Well I was just thinking that no-one has really challenged the Viffer have they? Certainly not with a similar package. Suzuki could introduce a slightly more "raw" package and no doubt under cut Honda and potentially be on to a winner? :wink:
I don't think people who buy sports tourers want raw. I think it would be very hard to beat the honda on finish primarily.
Maybe the SV1k could be on it's way out because of emissions laws?
Flamin_Squirrel
03-04-06, 04:59 PM
the closest thing is the VFR, but its a bit upright, and touring like
Have you seen the price of them?! Not exactly an SS600 let alone an SV competator.
There is something important to bare in mind here though people. The SV1000 is dead, but (well, I assume anyway) the DL1000 isnt. That means the litre V-twin lump is still in production. If Suzuki desire, they can always tune the already fine motor (c'mon, we want TL like 130bhp again!) and build a new sporty chasis for it.
kwak zzr
03-04-06, 05:07 PM
bring back the WIDOW MAKER!
was that the TLR ?
yep. :D
The Basket
03-04-06, 05:15 PM
Suzuki could introduce a slightly more "raw" package and no doubt under cut Honda and potentially be on to a winner? :wink:
Ah but they did...and it was called the TL...
Maybe they made the SV thou toooo safe after the TL scenery botherer.
IMO the thou looks to ordinary. It doesnt look cool enough - not unique for my liking to buy one. If going up another notch from the 650 why not buy a small Ducati or Aprillia?? Maybe they should have tried a radical styling change with it like the speed triple or something out of the ordniary.
Sid Squid
03-04-06, 07:23 PM
bring back the WIDOW MAKER!
was that the TLR ?
yep. :D
No.
It was the TLS, but it's not as bad as described by some people who are trying to make themselves sound hard by telling you it's so bad.
kwak zzr
03-04-06, 07:27 PM
is R the faired version and S the other, i want the S.
They were both faired, the S was the first model with the dodgy rotary damper, and the R was the slightly tamer and modified version.
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The Basket
03-04-06, 08:10 PM
the R was the full faired WSB racer that never was.
The S was the road bike.
Didn't the R have the rotary thingy?
No, they were both road bikes, the R was the later and final model.
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fizzwheel
03-04-06, 08:14 PM
the R was the full faired WSB racer that never was.
The S was the road bike.
Didn't the R have the rotary thingy?
IIRC they both had a rotary rear damper.
The Basket
03-04-06, 08:14 PM
yes...but wasn't the idea of the TL-R to make it the basis for a WSB entry?
fizzwheel
03-04-06, 08:16 PM
yes...but wasn't the idea of the TL-R to make it the basis for a WSB entry?
I think that you are correct. However Suzuki couldnt make it work as WSB racer.
The Basket
03-04-06, 08:22 PM
I think the prob with the TL-S, TL-R, and VTR and following on to the SV thou is that they are niche bikes fitting a small market.
I remember some journos in the late '90s gushing about litre V-twins as the holy grail and then the R1 came out and that was the end of that :D
I am surprised that Suzuki have no replacement...might as well keep it on the books until the new kid appears.
bring back the WIDOW MAKER!
was that the TLR ?
yep. :D
No.
It was the TLS, but it's not as bad as described by some people who are trying to make themselves sound hard by telling you it's so bad.
More specificly i think, a standard 97' model without the steering damper & rear rotary damper. Later the TLS was recalled for a steering damper. Very few are on the secondhand market withouth these two bits being changed.
The original TLS 97' is the most powerfull model they made for the TLS range, after that they seemed to restrict the engine.
Also the TLR had a kit that would make it into a race bike, it was good but not enough and too late.
The TLR also had a rotary damper, but they changed the design, giving it more fins to keep it cool which was the problem before. There was also something else done.
I think half the problem is that large capacity v-twins aren't anywhere near as easy to ride as an IL4, the brutal low down grunt can be quite intimidating to an inexperienced rider, which an awful lot of colour-co-ordinated weekend warriors are - however if it says Ducati on the tank then they're prepared to put up with it (sorry Peter :wink: ).
Then add in the fact that Suzuki made it look so dull that aspiring litre riders didn't give it more than a second glance, and you have poor sales. The TL had "attitude" written all over it, pity it was such a flawed motorcycle.
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fizzwheel
03-04-06, 08:29 PM
I think the problem with the SV1000 is what others have said it hasnt been marketed properly. Also the TL I think actually benefited from its reputation as the "Widow Maker" it gave the bike some agression and a reputation. This has been lacking from the SV1000. Also the first models IIRC were detuned from the BHP TLS output and its only the SZ models and this years K6 that have seen a return to that level of power and its too late the damage was already done as soon as people read it had less power than the TL the thought it was dull and boring and its never recovered from that misconception.
From what I've read the SV1000 always gets favourable reviews in the press. I think the trouble also is the price. Its priced wrongly. I got quoted I think £6400 for a K6 SVS another £500 bought me a GSXR-750.
What Suzuki need to do, is to put the SV1000 engine into a chassis with the charcteristics of the GSXR or go the other way and make more like the Honda VFR or Triumph ST. At the moment I think its trying to be a jack of all trades and its just not working.
andyb650s
03-04-06, 08:34 PM
im a noob to this site so not sure how seriously my opinion will be taken, but i have a friend who used to have a TL1000s and he loved it, it looked great sounded awesome and never went wrong. Unfortunately he has now swithched to the dark side and bought an aprilia.
Andy
Also the first models IIRC were detuned from the BHP TLS output and its only the SZ models and this years K6 that have seen a return to that level of power and its too late the damage was already done as soon as people read it had less power than the TL the thought it was dull and boring and its never recovered from that misconception.
They were a diffrent engine, not the same TL block.
Its all about the power delivery. The TLS & TLR are very diffrent aparently as is the SV1K.
I have ridden the full power TLS and that throttle if you put a tad to much comming off the lights it just came up realy easy, i mean eeeeeeasy.
Unfortunately he has now swithched to the dark side and bought an aprilia.
Nope Aprilia isn't the dark side, it's a v-twin silly, they're cool :wink: . The dark side are inline-fours such as Gixxers and R6s - don't go there, you'll lose your soul...
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fizzwheel
03-04-06, 08:44 PM
The dark side are inline-fours such as Gixxers and R6s - don't go there, you'll lose your soul...
He's right you know you have to sign to say you dont want your soul before you ride a Gixxer away. I did get a good price for my soul though. :wink:
How about if they really decide to raise an eye brow or two and bring out a V4 based on their Moto GP bike? :wink: :P
Having owned that jewel of a bike the VFR400, the thought of a man sized Suzuki 600cc v four has me drooling I'd prob buy it for the induction roar alone.
chris
andyb650s
03-04-06, 08:47 PM
Fair point, but there is just something about aprilias that i dint like, they are great bikes, but if i buy italian it will be a ducati.
Andy
I rather like the new Morinis - class act.
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andyb650s
03-04-06, 09:08 PM
Unfortunately, being of a rather young age, i was around ducati's all the time when foggy was winning and that was enough for me. At some point i will owna foggy rep 916sps. Hopefully.
Andy
I rather like the new Morinis - class act.
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Havent read it other than a quick glance, but Bike have tested the Corsaro this month along with the MV brutale at first glance seems to compare well excepts that imho the Morini looks miles better.
chris
fizzwheel
03-04-06, 09:14 PM
I rather like the new Morinis - class act.
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Havent read it other than a quick glance, but Bike have tested the Corsaro this month along with the MV brutale at first glance seems to compare well excepts that imho the Morini looks miles better.
chris
I'm not a big naked bike fan, but they do look really nice I think.
andyb650s
03-04-06, 09:19 PM
the MV brutale is a gorgeous bike though dont ya think.
Andy
[quote=andyb650s]dark side are inline-fours such as Gixxers and R6s - don't go there, you'll lose your soul...[/size]
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and probably, your licence. which is worse.
Peter Henry
04-04-06, 06:19 AM
Cagiva got it right with the 1000 v twin with the Raptor,where unfortunately Suzuki failed. What an opportunity lost. :?
Oh well when I finally get round to getting a 1l bike I think it will be a triple, naked Aprillia or maybe a old naked tl.
chewy22
04-04-06, 07:56 AM
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
Who told you this ???
Mr Toad
04-04-06, 08:10 AM
I feel mine appreciating in value already . . . this time next year it'll be a modern classic :roll:
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
Who told you this ???
She's a Suzuki dealer (Steve Jordan Motorcycles).
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SV650Racer
04-04-06, 08:21 AM
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
Who told you this ???
mmm Suzuki :wink:
Im with bikage boy - i dont understand why the big hitters dont produce sports 600/750 v-twins. Theyd be the the most useable sports machine on the road, and i would imagine would sell by the bucketload if they got the marketing right.
Jelster
04-04-06, 09:18 AM
Speculate all you like, but if they have withdrawn the bike it's becouse of commercial reasons. If it was making pots of money they would keep it going, obviously it's not. The vee twin thing is very much a culture which we in the UK are not that keen on. More and more people prefer IL4's (just look at how many on this site have swapped - me included).
Yes it's true, IL4's tend to be easier to ride, they also tend to develop more power which is delivered in a linear fashion. If somebody only rides at weekends and wants to get the most from his bike without too much of a learning curve, then he'll opt for an IL4, and why not, it's his money....
As for "what went wrong" with the SV1k, well maybe not much, it just didn't appeal to enough people. Speak to any decent Suzuki dealer, the 650 out sells the 1000 probably 10:1; maybe the 650 is too good, and people didn't feel the need to trade up ?
Maybe there's a completely new big V2 coming out, but then it hasn't been in MCN, and MCN know everything.... Don't they ? :wink:
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Maybe there's a completely new big V2 coming out, but then it hasn't been in MCN, and MCN know everything.... Don't they ? :wink:
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Might be dropping because of the B-King... might have decided they had to much in there range and are simply dropping the low sellers.
ivantate
04-04-06, 11:09 AM
Cant see why they would stop making it. It the 650 is being made and the DL1000 is being made it is only really a combination of the above parts.
MCN included it in their bikes of 2006 last week whereas there was no 650.
Jelster
04-04-06, 11:21 AM
MCN included it in their bikes of 2006 last week whereas there was no 650.
Like I said, MCN know everything......
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GSXR Carlos
04-04-06, 11:52 AM
how good is the new k6 650?
could they not stick all the decent suspension mods of the sv1k onto the new sv650 and make their best bike, drop the 1k, nobody likes it anyway :lol:
Carsick
04-04-06, 11:57 AM
It the 650 is being made and the DL1000 is being made it is only really a combination of the above parts.
Not even vaguely true. The 1000 is only the same as the 650 in name and styling cues. It shares almost no actual parts, certainly very little of the bits you suggested could be reused.
Mr Toad
04-04-06, 11:59 AM
nobody likes it anyway
:nomore:
Carl PO51 MYV wrote:
nobody likes it anyway
:shock:
Me & Toady do
:grouphug:
northwind
04-04-06, 12:36 PM
Northwind's diagnosis of why the SV thou didn't sell well enough:
SV owners said "Ah, it's just a more powerful SV with slower handling, it's more expensive, pricier to insure and run, we'll keep our 650s"
All other owners said "Ah, it's just a bigger SV, I'll get a real bike".
It spent its whole life being compared to other bikes unfavourably. Some people wanted one for its own superb merits, but they were relatively few and far between. I can only recall one review which threw out all the pointless comparisons and just said "This is a good bike that does everything well".
Say what you like about power, USD front ends, all that- I think the biggest mistake they made was making it an SV. It had enough to live up to and enough baggage after the TLs, without having the SV name to live up to and hold it back.
Have to admit, I'm a little surprised... Honda just dropped the Firestorm too, I gather, you'd think that'd open up the sames- unless of course the whole v-twin sector is shrinking.
Jelster
04-04-06, 01:07 PM
Honda just dropped the Firestorm too, I gather, you'd think that'd open up the sames- unless of course the whole v-twin sector is shrinking.
Big vee twins have to be VERY special to get mass appeal. The Ducati range, the Mille and Tuono are all very different from the SV. The other bike that was similar (apart from the Firestorm) was the Falco, and that never sold very well either so they pulled that too.
Whilst many on here sing it's praises, we/you are in a minority when it comes to the market as a whole.
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northwind
04-04-06, 01:11 PM
Yep, but then again so are 749 owners. IIRC the SV thou outsold the Mille for a couple of years, and it's never ben drastically short of it.
Peter Henry
04-04-06, 01:26 PM
Much as it pains me to say so, I think the Vee twin big bike will not be around for too many more years. Yes of course Harley will carry on turning out the same old donk they have for the past 300 years but everyone else will drop them. Even Ducati will have to move on. :cry:
Emission controls,production costs and yes a niche market mean that it is difficult to make the big Vee twin viable these days.
Ducati will be ok as there is every chance that superb V4 donk that they are using in Moto GP will filter through in about 3 years time. :P
chazzyb
04-04-06, 01:43 PM
Im with bikage boy - i dont understand why the big hitters dont produce sports 600/750 v-twins. Theyd be the the most useable sports machine on the road, and i would imagine would sell by the bucketload if they got the marketing right.
Cos' everyone wants supersports fours. Race replicas and top speed seem to have been the name of the game for many years now. How many people have moved onto fours after their SVs? Quite some number I'd guess.
I like naked bikes. None of the bikes on my wishlist have fairings, well not full fairings, anyway.
kwak zzr
04-04-06, 04:40 PM
Im with bikage boy - i dont understand why the big hitters dont produce sports 600/750 v-twins. Theyd be the the most useable sports machine on the road, and i would imagine would sell by the bucketload if they got the marketing right.
Cos' everyone wants supersports fours. Race replicas and top speed seem to have been the name of the game for many years now. How many people have moved onto fours after their SVs? Quite some number I'd guess.
I like naked bikes. None of the bikes on my wishlist have fairings, well not full fairings, anyway.
i dont, ive done IL4's over the past 11years mostly sports and ive now found the v twin :) maybe its me but at the moment i prefere the v.
chewy22
04-04-06, 04:53 PM
Just been to my local Suzuki bike shop Crooks in Barrow for some parts and they know nothing about this. Was it a letter or just an of the cuff remark from Suzuki sales. I expect they are just trying to shift a few units.
It's interesting reading all this from an outsider's point of view. In Australia the 650 and 1000 rate in the top 5 naked bike sales with very little between them. We have a very different system of registration and only 5 insurance categories too so it's not such a big deal to get the bigger bike.
I queried a bloke who works for one of the Australian importers of Suzukis and he knows nothing of this either.
That said there are some valid comments here regarding what the thou is trying to accomplish. One thing that makes the 650 great is its nimbleness. Perhaps if suzuki made the thou more nimble and kitted it with some GSXR parts such as forks and shock it may appeal more.
The largest number of SV riders in Australia are those who have played with the race reps and got tired of the head down, bum up position and wanted something that was useable and still a bag load of fun. Nearly everyone else has been recommended one or stepped onto one after coming off their learners and love it to bits.
chewy22
10-04-06, 01:21 PM
Just been to my local Suzuki bike shop Crooks in Barrow for some parts and they know nothing about this. Was it a letter or just an of the cuff remark from Suzuki sales. I expect they are just trying to shift a few units.
BUMP
chewy22
11-04-06, 12:27 PM
Obviously the answer must be confidential or you have had a memory lapse? Why do members start a thread with half a story and when asked something don’t give an answer. :?:
northwind
11-04-06, 01:20 PM
Or maybe she's not seen the thread's still going? Or maybe, just maybe, she doesn't like the tone from some people in this thread, calling into question what she's just passing on from her Suzuki rep?
chewy22
11-04-06, 03:42 PM
This thread has 6 pages 1306 views 79 posts and no details. All I asked is for some more information, as this bike is only just 3 years old. I have yet again spoken to my dealer and they have yet to be told this news. If you wish to PM me the details SV650Racer please feel free to do so no offence intended. Posts don’t always read how you intend them to be read.
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
And then we have this thread http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=36328&highlight=
So we can have new colours for 2006 as long as they are in stock then ?????
Halonic
11-04-06, 07:02 PM
I think we should perhaps consider this thread less:
No more SV1000's
and more accurately:
No more SV1000's in colours you wouldn't see on a H*nd% (sorry to swear)
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Endfloat
11-04-06, 07:39 PM
This thread has 6 pages 1306 views 79 posts and no details. All I asked is for some more information, as this bike is only just 3 years old. I have yet again spoken to my dealer and they have yet to be told this news. If you wish to PM me the details SV650Racer please feel free to do so no offence intended. Posts don’t always read how you intend them to be read.
Just been informed that there are going to be no more SV1000's faired or unfaired. Suzuki's stock is very thin on the ground and they wont be replacing them.
So if you want one new then id suggest you get one now :(
And then we have this thread http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=36328&highlight=
So we can have new colours for 2006 as long as they are in stock then ?????
If its true or not the thread makes interesting reading on the 1000, when i upgrade from a 650 (soon i hope), why would i buy a bike that looked identical to the last one? the 650 is a budget bike and has been styled on a budget. Suzuki made the mistake making the 1000 look identical to the 650.
Fizzy Fish
12-04-06, 05:16 AM
ditto - when I finally move on from the SV650, more power won't be the main criteria but rather improved handling, braking, quality, looks, etc
SV1K is a decent bike but just doesn't tick those boxes to a sufficient extent...
chewy22
12-04-06, 07:58 AM
why would i buy a bike that looked identical to the last one? . Suzuki made the mistake making the 1000 look identical to the 650.
Like the GSXR range then??
chewy22
12-04-06, 08:54 AM
SV1000 LIVES FOR ANOTHER YEAR
Just phoned Suzuki head office and the answer is they are NOT discontinuing the Suzuki SVs 1k or the naked bike either. The quote is we are still manufacturing this bike with a range of new colours and to date have no plans to remove this bike from sale.
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Endfloat
12-04-06, 09:00 AM
why would i buy a bike that looked identical to the last one? . Suzuki made the mistake making the 1000 look identical to the 650.
Like the GSXR range then??
i dont remember any of the GSXR range being based on a budget design.
Jelster
12-04-06, 09:04 AM
SV1000 LIVES FOR ANOTHER YEAR
Just phoned Suzuki head office and the answer is they are NOT discontinuing the Suzuki SVs 1k or the naked bike either. The quote is we are still manufacturing this bike with a range of new colours and to date have no plans to remove this bike from sale.
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They may still "make" it, but it doesn't mean that they'll import it into the UK. That's exactly the situation with the naked right now. Suzuki may not want to admit that the UK is discontinuing the bike from sale in the UK, at least not until most of the stock is gone.
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Endfloat wrote:-
chewy22 wrote:
Endfloat wrote:
why would i buy a bike that looked identical to the last one? . Suzuki made the mistake making the 1000 look identical to the 650.
Like the GSXR range then??
i dont remember any of the GSXR range being based on a budget design.
:? :? :?
There was no reference in Chewy's quote that the GSXR rang is based on a budget design.
Chewy was commenting on the fact that you stated that the mistake was making the SV1000 look identical to the SV650, however this is a formula that has worked very well in the GSXR formula range - i.e. the GSXR600 looks very like the GSXR750 which looks like the GSXR1000 - all of which sell very well.
So why wouldn't this idea work for the SV range?
chewy22
12-04-06, 09:12 AM
Or the DL or the Bandit how many do you want?
northwind
12-04-06, 09:41 AM
I think the difference between the SVs and the GSXRs is that the SV's perceived (wrongly, IMO), as the cheap rubbish option, a girl's bike, for learners etc- and is also known for bad build quality. So attaching a bigger, more powerful, more expensive bike to that brand maybe wasn't a smart move. I'm not sure about that, I think the SV name brings as much good with it as it does bad, if not more... But I can see the arguments both ways.
mudge32
12-04-06, 09:58 AM
One thing that springs to mind is......would a decently set up SVthou really compete with the GSXR on sales terms? I've no real interest in an inline four anymore but would love the option to enventually upgrade to a bigger twin, without all the suspension tweeks etc :wink:
I think the difference between the SVs and the GSXRs is that the SV's perceived (wrongly, IMO), as the cheap rubbish option, a girl's bike, for learners etc- and is also known for bad build quality. So attaching a bigger, more powerful, more expensive bike to that brand maybe wasn't a smart move. I'm not sure about that, I think the SV name brings as much good with it as it does bad, if not more... But I can see the arguments both ways.
The SVs build quality is no worse than the bandits in my experience.
I think the difference between the SVs and the GSXRs is that the SV's perceived (wrongly, IMO), as the cheap rubbish option, a girl's bike, for learners etc- and is also known for bad build quality. So attaching a bigger, more powerful, more expensive bike to that brand maybe wasn't a smart move. I'm not sure about that, I think the SV name brings as much good with it as it does bad, if not more... But I can see the arguments both ways.
The SVs build quality is no worse than the bandits in my experience.
i always thought the SV and bandit were in the same sorta class, the only real difference being the engine.
The Basket
12-04-06, 07:36 PM
The problem with the SV1000 IMHO is that it is expensive. The 650 you can say is cheap to run and buy but the SV is big bike money. And because it's falling between many stools, you can buy another more focused bike for the same dosh.
I don't think the SV moniker is a bad thing...Although all Suzukis have a rep for rusting.
I think the best step is a proper race rep 1 litre V-twin. A true GSX-R with a V twin engine. A Suzuki SP-1. Now that could sell.
northwind
12-04-06, 08:28 PM
You can get a pre regged thou for not much more than a brand new 650... Can't recall what Jimmy paid for his but it was silly money.
northwind
12-04-06, 08:29 PM
I think the difference between the SVs and the GSXRs is that the SV's perceived (wrongly, IMO), as the cheap rubbish option, a girl's bike, for learners etc- and is also known for bad build quality. So attaching a bigger, more powerful, more expensive bike to that brand maybe wasn't a smart move. I'm not sure about that, I think the SV name brings as much good with it as it does bad, if not more... But I can see the arguments both ways.
The SVs build quality is no worse than the bandits in my experience.
Couldn't agree more, in fact I'd say the SV's better as it doesn't have the rusty frame.
The Basket
12-04-06, 09:08 PM
You can get a pre regged thou for not much more than a brand new 650... Can't recall what Jimmy paid for his but it was silly money.
Eh? That's the problem, See? You don't sell popular for knockdown money. A Niche market that there is not a niche for.
Anonymous
12-04-06, 09:19 PM
Much as it pains me to say so, I think the Vee twin big bike will not be around for too many more years.
Is the coming sometime KTM RC8 a big V?
chewy22
12-04-06, 09:23 PM
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Eh? That's the problem, See? You don't sell popular for knockdown money. A Niche market that there is not a niche for.[/quote]
But we do have a niche market for the 1000 just take a look at the forum www.sv1000.zyns.com
98% are happy and most still wont sell after owning them for close to 3 years.
chewy22
12-04-06, 09:24 PM
Much as it pains me to say so, I think the Vee twin big bike will not be around for too many more years.
Is the coming sometime KTM RC8 a big V?
Good point and front page of MCN this week.
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