View Full Version : Another for the Dark Side
I'm turning to the dark side, just bought an IL4.
It's the carbed single headlight version CBR600F (if anyone got the used bike's of the year 2006 guide from the April issue of BIKE magazine, it's similar to the one on p24 - in the same paint scheme), & it's only done 600 miles!
Got a good trade in for my K2, picking up the bike next Saturday, can't wait!
Had a test ride, the suspension is excellent, much smoother than my SV, power comes in at higher revs obviously (compared to the SV) but I'm looking forward to getting used to it and putting many more miles on it.
Looking at getting a hugger & single seat conversion, other than that I don't think it'll need any mods, there's plenty of power there for me.
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kwak zzr
08-04-06, 01:00 PM
i had one of those, good all rounder does everything well.
600 miles???
What has that averaged per year then?
You realise you can't spank it for another 400 miles as its still being run-in?!?!? This means the previous owner is selling it having never experienced more than 40% of its full power?!
Or do you mean 6000?
I am currently loving riding over bumps without that knocking noise from the front end that the SV does!
Toypop - yup, 600 miles since first registered August 2005...!
Good point on the running in, hadn't thought about that, cheers!
Bought it 2nd hand from a Triumph dealer, the previous owner (55yrs of age) is trading up to a Daytona 675.
Just worked out how to post a pic - hope the size is OK.
http://upload4.postimage.org/153688/offside400.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/153688/photo_hosting.html)
Cloggsy
08-04-06, 02:19 PM
the previous owner (55yrs of age) is trading up to a Daytona 675.
:shock: He's hardly ridden the CBR6 & he's bought a 675 :roll:
Tell him my address so he can post me some £10 notes... He's obviously got too many of 'em :roll:
Tell him my address so he can post me some £10 notes... He's obviously got too many of 'em
Will do :lol:
edit - how do you get that thing that says "GregK2 wrote" when you quote, & I only get "Quote" :?:
Dicky Ticker
08-04-06, 02:35 PM
When you get the log book send me his address as I will buy his 675 from him when it has done 600miles :roll:
Filipe M.
08-04-06, 02:36 PM
Tell him my address so he can post me some £10 notes... He's obviously got too many of 'em
Will do :lol:
edit - how do you get that thing that says "GregK2 wrote" when you quote, & I only get "Quote" :?:
After -quote- inside the square brackets write the name of the person you're quoting, like this ="namegoeshere" .
Or use the button on the right for the post you're quoting. :wink:
[Filipe M. wrote]After -quote- inside the square brackets write the name of the person you're quoting, like this ="namegoeshere" .
[/Filipe M. wrote]
edit...mmm still not quite there, thanks for the advice anyways!
Carsick
08-04-06, 03:01 PM
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Thanks Filipe & Carsick - I'm obviously still excited about the new bike to do anything useful.... :roll:
You realise you can't spank it for another 400 miles as its still being run-in?!?!? This means the previous owner is selling it having never experienced more than 40% of its full power?!
Toypop - yup, 600 miles since first registered August 2005...!
Good point on the running in, hadn't thought about that, cheers!
No, don't worry, at 600 miles its already run in. Honda CBR600F's have a run-in period of 300 miles.
Excellent choice of bike by the way! Mine is a 53 (F4) and I got mine a month ago with 644 miles on it.
skidmarx
08-04-06, 03:58 PM
I want one. How much extra was your insurance?
philipMac
08-04-06, 04:15 PM
lovely bike Greg.
Nice one... take her handy for the first few miles, better to learn how it handles compared to the SV when you have plenty of room for error :? (but its only ever going handle way better than stock SV anyway.) I want one too. Mmmmmm.
I assume that bike was originally pre-reg'd and sat in a showroom for a year then?
300 mile run in?!?! Damn I wish Kwaks had that. I'm still getting raped by 1.2 Corsa's as I hammer down dual carriageways in a racing crouch at 47mph! Has it had its first service then or doesn't it need one?
I guess the previous owner wanted the image more than anything else and probably regretted not buying the "RR".
Lucky git getting the Triumph, I think he might regret it after a few hundred miles when he starts experiencing the wrist pains I'm getting.
mburnstead
08-04-06, 05:58 PM
I assume that bike was originally pre-reg'd and sat in a showroom for a year then?
300 mile run in?!?! Damn I wish Kwaks had that. I'm still getting raped by 1.2 Corsa's as I hammer down dual carriageways in a racing crouch at 47mph! Has it had its first service then or doesn't it need one?
Eh? 47mph? Most bikes seem to have their 'maximum revs during running in' set at roughly the revs needed to achieve 70mph in top gear. The SV and my R6 are definitely like that.
Anyway, as long as you don't cream the nuts off it you won't do it any harm... cue massive debate! :twisted:
amarko5
08-04-06, 06:01 PM
Just worked out how to post a pic - hope the size is OK.
http://upload4.postimage.org/153688/offside400.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/153688/photo_hosting.html)
Nice bikes Neutral handling :wink: as previously said does everything very well.
had one for 2 years and was mighty impressed , :P however I went back to twins as I like my power lower down "it's a Torque thing with me" :wink:
I assume that bike was originally pre-reg'd and sat in a showroom for a year then?
300 mile run in?!?! Damn I wish Kwaks had that. I'm still getting raped by 1.2 Corsa's as I hammer down dual carriageways in a racing crouch at 47mph! Has it had its first service then or doesn't it need one?
Eh? 47mph? Most bikes seem to have their 'maximum revs during running in' set at roughly the revs needed to achieve 70mph in top gear. The SV and my R6 are definitely like that.
Anyway, as long as you don't cream the nuts off it you won't do it any harm... cue massive debate! :twisted:
4000rpm for 500 miles then 6000rpm up to 1000 miles. Max speed about 47mph at 4000rpm in 6th. I did that for the first 100 miles based on something someone here sent me about running-in but since then I have been going to 4500rpm so I can go just over 50 and not annoy my fellow road users so much.
had one for 2 years and was mighty impressed , :P however I went back to twins as I like my power lower down "it's a Torque thing with me" :wink:
lol, the CBR puts out more torque than the SV.
fizzwheel
08-04-06, 07:26 PM
4000rpm for 500 miles then 6000rpm up to 1000 miles. Max speed about 47mph at 4000rpm in 6th. I did that for the first 100 miles based on something someone here sent me about running-in but since then I have been going to 4500rpm so I can go just over 50 and not annoy my fellow road users so much.
Should have bought a GSXR :wink: 7000rpm limit for the first 600 miles then service, 10500rpm limit until 1000 miles and then do as you like.
7000rpm is good for 95mph in 6th :D
As yes this what it says in the owners manual before you ask. The manger in the dealership where i bought my bike said to me 4000rpm for 600 miles then 6000rpm for the next 400 upto 1000 miles. He also told me that I should check my owners manual. I'm wandering if you have been given duff information ?
I read several articles on the internet saying not to nanny your engine as it doesnt help the piston rings bed in and make a good seal when running in. Also the chap I spoke to in the dealer today when I had my first service done said that alot of people bring their bikes back when running in as they run like a bag of cr*p and oil up as they dont run them hard enough when running in.
I think you could safely push your bike to 5000rpm without worrying to much.
Oh and Greg, Nice bike mate, Welcome the dark side :D
I want one. How much extra was your insurance?
Not contacted my insurers yet, but done a quick quote with ebike insurance and it won't be much more than the SV, my last renewal was £390 and ebike came out at about £5 more, although this may be misleading as the CBR has a Datatool alarm but my SV isn't alarmed.
had one for 2 years and was mighty impressed , :P however I went back to twins as I like my power lower down "it's a Torque thing with me" :wink:
lol, the CBR puts out more torque than the SV.
Gonna have to get used to the power being further up the rev range, looking forward to putting in the miles to get the experience!
You might have a shocker with the insurance if you are going to notify them of a change of bike before the policy ends.
I had been quoted £500 a year comp for the SV and £1500 for an SS600. I went to update the insurance with 3 months to go and they wanted £700!! Just to upgrade for 3 months!!!!!!!!!!
It was because the best underwriter for the SV was not the best for the SS600 so you can't make any assumptions as to how much it will be to upgrade based on getting seperate quotes.
In the end it was cheaper to cancel my policy on the SV (unfortunately losing 9 months worth of NCB) and starting a new one with a more suitable underwriter. Fortunately the premium came to £700 a year which is less than half what I was quoted online!
Obviously if your existing policy is expiring now anyway then it won't be a problem as they can switch you over without losing your NCB.
Thanks Toypop, will phone the insurers Monday, and if I do get a shock I'll shop around.
I didn't have much problem changing to the SV from a GS500, although I guess a SS600 is entirely different.
Anyhoo, my 2005 bonus is paying for all of this :wink:, and I can't wait to get the bike now.
Thanks to all for the positive comments, I hope I'm not going to be banished to another forum now that I'm with the IL4 crowd!!!!
Matt Prince
08-04-06, 08:34 PM
Hi - congratulations - think you've got a great bike.
I've also got an 03 curvey - last of the K2 models I believe.I waited for the 03 reg. I've always loved the 600F and was wondering whether you would be prepared to share how much the dealer gave you for your bike? How much was the 600F as this is one possible route that I may take.
Mine has done 8,000 miles and is standard in vgc with Suzuki lowers and scott oiler fitted.
Would also appreciate your findings on the new bike.
I'm ready to move on possibly.
kwak zzr
08-04-06, 08:40 PM
isnt the cbr600f 3 groups higher than the sv?
kwak zzr
08-04-06, 08:42 PM
had one for 2 years and was mighty impressed , :P however I went back to twins as I like my power lower down "it's a Torque thing with me" :wink:
lol, the CBR puts out more torque than the SV.
yes it does but in a different way, you have to be high in the revs to use the torque on the cbr where as the sv will pull from very low down and you dont have to use the gear box as much :wink:
philipMac
08-04-06, 10:55 PM
had one for 2 years and was mighty impressed , :P however I went back to twins as I like my power lower down "it's a Torque thing with me" :wink:
lol, the CBR puts out more torque than the SV.
yes it does but in a different way, you have to be high in the revs to use the torque on the cbr where as the sv will pull from very low down and you dont have to use the gear box as much :wink:
So... as I understand torque, it is the twisting power of the engine.
Ie, Torque is the power developed by the engine / angular speed.
So, again, as far as I know, the SV650 develops more power per turn of the engine than say a CBR600 at the low revs, but then the CBR over takes the SV wrt torque later on.
This is basically the same thing as Kwak said, for some reason I felt like saying it again :roll:
Jelster
08-04-06, 11:41 PM
I have always felt that, when running in a new engine, keep the revs as per the handbook, but every now and againe push it past it a bit. Not for long and don't hold it there. On the SV I was taking it up to 6 or 7k every now and again, not too often, but just seeing if I could feel the engine hold back. I did the same with the Gixer and that went like a bat out of hell :lol:
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yes it does but in a different way, you have to be high in the revs to use the torque on the cbr where as the sv will pull from very low down and you dont have to use the gear box as much :wink:
I've actually found the CBR is better than the SV at that. On the SV, I was running up and down the gears all the damn time. On the CBR I have such a rev range and it pulls from very low down that I don't have to keep using the gears.
Itching 2 go
09-04-06, 04:20 PM
yes it does but in a different way, you have to be high in the revs to use the torque on the cbr where as the sv will pull from very low down and you dont have to use the gear box as much :wink:
I've actually found the CBR is better than the SV at that. On the SV, I was running up and down the gears all the damn time. On the CBR I have such a rev range and it pulls from very low down that I don't have to keep using the gears.shall we settle this with a top gear roll on from 30mph???
kwak zzr
09-04-06, 04:25 PM
where do you get these figures from? do you time yourself's?
Itching 2 go
09-04-06, 04:27 PM
where do you get these figures from? do you time yourself's?what figures? time our selves? no need just stick your arm out when you hit 100mph and who ever gets there first wins!!
kwak zzr
09-04-06, 04:47 PM
great! i'll use your TLR. :D
Itching 2 go
09-04-06, 06:39 PM
great! i'll use your TLR. :DI have to ask what the hell you think you will achieve by riding my tlr on a test between an SV and a CBR on a top gear roll on???
Oh and btw, Nobody, and I mean Nobody rides MY TLR :P
I reckon I'd fancy my chances on my Kwak against my old SVS K5 in a top gear roll on.
Not from 30 though, maybe 40 to 45.
kwak zzr
09-04-06, 06:51 PM
great! i'll use your TLR. :DI have to ask what the hell you think you will achieve by riding my tlr on a test between an SV and a CBR on a top gear roll on???
Oh and btw, Nobody, and I mean Nobody rides MY TLR :P
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Itching 2 go
09-04-06, 07:46 PM
great! i'll use your TLR. :DI have to ask what the hell you think you will achieve by riding my tlr on a test between an SV and a CBR on a top gear roll on???
Oh and btw, Nobody, and I mean Nobody rides MY TLR :P
:-k :-({|= :-({|= :-({|=this and other bizarre and pointless posts :roll: :? :-k
yes it does but in a different way, you have to be high in the revs to use the torque on the cbr where as the sv will pull from very low down and you dont have to use the gear box as much :wink:
I've actually found the CBR is better than the SV at that. On the SV, I was running up and down the gears all the damn time. On the CBR I have such a rev range and it pulls from very low down that I don't have to keep using the gears.shall we settle this with a top gear roll on from 30mph???
Okie, im up for that..... :lol: I'll use my bike though
Dan
Welcome to the CBR crew :thumbsup:
:lol:
Jelster
09-04-06, 09:59 PM
Welcome to the CBR crew :thumbsup:
:lol:
Yes, welcome (waves hand)....
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where do you get these figures from? do you time yourself's?
eh? what figures?
Anyway, at this rate, we should arrange our own mini CBR meet!
A CBR Forum,
You could call it
www.bland.com
:wink:
A CBR Forum,
You could call it
www.bland.com
:wink:
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:lol:
Jelster
10-04-06, 06:43 PM
A CBR Forum,
You could call it
www.bland.com
:wink:
Says a man that doesn't ride one....
I'm begining to think that it takes a certain type of person to appreciate what Honda do. It's obvious that many on this forum are not of that ilk.....
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Scooby Drew
10-04-06, 09:28 PM
A CBR Forum,
You could call it
www.bland.com
:wink:
Says a man that doesn't ride one....
I'm begining to think that it takes a certain type of person to appreciate what Honda do. It's obvious that many on this forum are not of that ilk.....
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Fight, fight, fight... :D
Seriously though, anyone for a Kwak? I am doing so many miles that it is costing me loads and I need something comfortable like a Beemer R1150GS or if I'm in a sportier mood when purchasing, a Rockster. Depends what price I get.
Peter Henry
10-04-06, 09:36 PM
Steve...Just a touch of trolling going on there by Swiss I am sure. How anyone can disregard a brand like Honda in such a manner is frankly beyond my belief. I have owned several Honda's...all IL4's actually....and everyone of them was a damned good bike. :wink:
kwak zzr
10-04-06, 09:38 PM
my cbr 600f was faultless for 3 years, i only sold it cuz i fell off it and it just was'nt the same after that :(
greg, damn good choice of bike mate :wink:
Steve,
Chill out fella, I'm only pulling your leg. :wink: I don't think anybody expects to post praise on a brand other than Suzuki without a little ribbing :wink:
I did test ride the CBR and it did everything very well but for me, and please remember this is a personal experinance and not at statement of fact, it didn't stir the soul or give me a grin factor, whereas serveral other machines I tested did.
I fully accept they are good machines, if they weren't they wouldn't be as popular as a Ford Escort.
Jelster
11-04-06, 09:53 AM
Steve,
Chill out fella, I'm only pulling your leg. :wink: I don't think anybody expects to post praise on a brand other than Suzuki without a little ribbing :wink:
I did test ride the CBR and it did everything very well but for me, and please remember this is a personal experinance and not at statement of fact, it didn't stir the soul or give me a grin factor, whereas serveral other machines I tested did.
I fully accept they are good machines, if they weren't they wouldn't be as popular as a Ford Escort.
I know what you mean, to me the Sprint ST was a complete anti-climax, and I realy, really wanted to like it to. I just don't understand how 130 plus BHP and fantastic handling ends up as "bland".... But different people like different things, I guess.
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Dunno, I just didn't get excited about it. Twas a shame cos I do like they styling and there was a good deal one.
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