View Full Version : Couple of pics from my ride out today
Saint Matt
09-04-06, 08:42 PM
Had to have the gay standard can on mind, but still it was fun!
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And a few of my best riding buddies' CBR400 NC29, freshly written off this morning.
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:( It was such a pretty bike
nice pics. how'd that happen?
kwak zzr
09-04-06, 08:45 PM
ouch! is the rider ok matt?
Quiff Wichard
09-04-06, 08:46 PM
looks like matlock to me and a certain cat n fiddle pub carpark...
didt u get caught in the hail??
Saint Matt
09-04-06, 08:51 PM
Yes, hail caught us. And the snow, and the rain. That rider was being a bit silly, 130mph on the A50, lowsided, all he has is a broken finger, he was ****ing lucky to be walking.
Here is the tailback he caused :
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Peter Henry
09-04-06, 08:53 PM
Nasty! BTW is that a Mito in the car park with you all? 8)
Saint Matt
09-04-06, 08:55 PM
Yeah it is a mito, also the slowest bike there, since he had to run a piston in, 50mph flat out he was allowed to go! That crash happened in stoke, on the corner in that pic of the tailback, no idea how he managed to take it at 130, as he crashed on the exit, on the apex of the corner.
Quiff Wichard
09-04-06, 08:56 PM
A50 stoke... out toward uttoxeter..
I was in my car when that hail came down
and I pulled over for 20 mins
I hate it
it scares me..
went from dry to slush in 5 mins.!!
one lucky fella. well hope all gets a quick recovery! :thumbsup:
kwak zzr
09-04-06, 09:06 PM
freeky weather we all having at the mo.
Saint Matt
09-04-06, 09:07 PM
Yeah, I don't do those speeds if anyone is thinking it btw, since I came off (which was due to a mechanical fault anyway :P ) I have tried to smooth out my riding, and it's helped a lot, I have found that I enjoy things more, before I always wanted to win to wherever we went, like up to a meet, I'd have to be winning, but it doesn't bother me now, it's a much more enjoyable experience when you go at your own pace :)
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
Jelster
09-04-06, 09:48 PM
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
You don't ?, never ? :shock:
Matt, I found that competing against myself is a far more worthwhile pastime. Making sure you take each corner better than the last time you took it, getting those apexes right and exits better... And you know what, it makes me feel much better about my riding :thumbsup:
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Saint Matt
09-04-06, 09:57 PM
Yeah, that only counts for roads you know well though doesn't it, otherwise you would be guessing how the corner goes :)
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
Exactly. Talk about putting yourself and other road users at huge risk.
It's not lucky that he's walking. It's lucky that he's alive. A complete ******** IMHO.
Jelster
09-04-06, 10:08 PM
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
Exactly. Talk about putting yourself and other road users at huge risk.
It's not lucky that he's walking. It's lucky that he's alive. A complete @rseh*le IMHO.
I have to say chaps, there is a time and a place. This may not have been it, but open road with no traffic is a green light for winding it up IMO.
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Saint Matt
09-04-06, 10:16 PM
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
Exactly. Talk about putting yourself and other road users at huge risk.
It's not lucky that he's walking. It's lucky that he's alive. A complete @rseh*le IMHO.
That is very easy to say for someone who doesn't know him. There wasn't anyone around him when he crashed, he only put himself at risk. Open road, no traffic, I dont blame him for giving it the berries. Just because he rides like a ****, doesn't mean he is one.
I went for a little rideout today in the kettering area with a couple of Mates. They have been riding a lot longer than I have so I let them ride at their pace and I keep up but only within my own limits. So sometimes I loose them then catch up in the next village . It does'nt bother them and it does'nt me. As one of them said you can always look at a corner and say "I can do that faster" but its only if your lucky that you can go back and say "I should have took that slower"
why do we have to get idiots who do 130mph on public roads?
Exactly. Talk about putting yourself and other road users at huge risk.
It's not lucky that he's walking. It's lucky that he's alive. A complete @rseh*le IMHO.
That is very easy to say for someone who doesn't know him. There wasn't anyone around him when he crashed, he only put himself at risk. Open road, no traffic, I dont blame him for giving it the berries. Just because he rides like a ****, doesn't mean he is one.
Is he being prosecuted?
I absolutely refuse to accept that anyone riding at 130mph isn't guilty of dangerous driving. What's the stopping distance from that speed, btw?
tigersaw
09-04-06, 10:45 PM
Just because he rides like a ****, doesn't mean he is one.
Riding like a **** is the stereotype of bikers that we are all trying desparately to avoid.
hasn't the bloke heard of a trackday?
Flamin_Squirrel
10-04-06, 07:30 AM
Oh joy, the holier than thou crowd are out in force.
Oh joy, the holier than thou crowd are out in force.
Amen brother :roll:
Nice pics btw :D
Peter Henry
10-04-06, 07:37 AM
I have to agree with Squirrel. Come on fellas cut the guy some slack. He had a clear road and decided to let his bike stretch it's legs a little. Unfortunately things went against him.
I understand fully about the possibilities of injuring other people or damaging other vehicles...however he didn't.
For all any of us know this guy might be one of the most accomplished riders we could ever meet who just got unlucky.It can believe it or not happen to anyone,even those who always ride with the upmost of caution.
*Please feel free to contradict.*
Jelster
10-04-06, 07:56 AM
I absolutely refuse to accept that anyone riding at 130mph isn't guilty of dangerous driving. What's the stopping distance from that speed, btw?
Stopping distance is completely irrelevant if their is no traffic or junctions on that stretch of road. Who, apart from himself, is putting into danger ? If he's cocked up a corner I could possibly understand "driving without due care & attention", but it would depend on the circumstances.
If I ever open up the bike on a public road I assess the situation then ask myself "is it safe to do so?". I will often hammer out of a roundabout, or go into a known bend quickly, just to push myself. As long as nobody else is around or it's not in a 30/40mph zone I reckon that's fair game. You don't buy a high performance bike to ride it slowly all the time.
I take it that all of the holier than thou crowd NEVER exceed the speed limit then ?
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Peter Henry
10-04-06, 08:23 AM
Jelster...I am with you on that. The guy would I am sure of assessed the situation before opening the bike up. We do not know for sure why it was the bike washed out on him.
To state that anyone exceeding the speed limit,(even at the level mentioned) is gulity of a nailed down Dangerous Driving Offence is just plain wrong to my mind.
Sorry if that holds little water with the PC Biking Fraternity,but there it is. :?
fizzwheel
10-04-06, 08:38 AM
Is he being prosecuted?
I absolutely refuse to accept that anyone riding at 130mph isn't guilty of dangerous driving. What's the stopping distance from that speed, btw?
I dont agree... theres a time and a place sure. But on an open road with no traffic and a road that you know very well and that has good visability so that you can see other road users and that you are able to give them every chance to see you. Then I dont see what harm the occasionaly buzz up to that kind of speed actually does. As Jelster says you dont buy a bike to ride it slow all the time and neither do most drivers of high performance cars.
To state that anyone exceeding the speed limit,(even at the level mentioned) is gulity of a nailed down Dangerous Driving Offence is just plain wrong to my mind.
Sorry if that holds little water with the PC Biking Fraternity,but there it is. :?
I didn't say that anyone exceeding the limit is guilty of dangeroue driving. But at 60 mph over the limit???
Yes of course we all break the speed limits from time to time. Me included. And the copper who drove at 159mph on the M54. Everyone will remember the uproar (including on here) when he was acquitted and many said there was one law for coppers and another for everyone else. Well here's the law for everyone else. If someone can explain to me the difference between 130 and 159 - I mean, why one is considered dangerous as of right (remember, it was a clear road) and 130 isn't then I might reconsider.
Filipe M.
10-04-06, 11:06 AM
What's the stopping distance from that speed, btw?
It depends on the angle of impact on the wall :lol: :lol: :lol: hit it at 90º straight and it'll be a very short one!
_Stretchie_
10-04-06, 12:43 PM
Yeah, I don't do those speeds if anyone is thinking it btw, since I came off (which was due to a mechanical fault anyway :P ) I have tried to smooth out my riding, and it's helped a lot, I have found that I enjoy things more, before I always wanted to win to wherever we went, like up to a meet, I'd have to be winning, but it doesn't bother me now, it's a much more enjoyable experience when you go at your own pace :)
I (theoretically) used to do 130-150's on the motorway but I don't like to go over 80 now. Got busted on a while ago doing roughly a ton and that put it in perspective, I learnt my lesson then. Don't fancy loosing my license.
I'm concentrating on cornering now. Don't care about top speed anymore. But as long as there are bikes and fast cars, people will be doing those speeds.
A50 stoke... out toward uttoxeter..
Flipped a Land Rover Discovery there a few years backhttp://upload4.postimage.org/165392/Picture1.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/165392/photo_hosting.html)
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Was only in the passenger seat, thank God. Scary enough for me though.
Balky001
10-04-06, 01:56 PM
Well here's the law for everyone else. If someone can explain to me the difference between 130 and 159 - I mean, why one is considered dangerous as of right (remember, it was a clear road) and 130 isn't then I might reconsider.
I'm pretty sure most of the uproar was the fact he got let off a charge where others ahve been prosecuted (so a biased law) - the actual speed wasn't the defining factor IMO.
The only time speed is a really factor is when stopping/cornering/braking - the guy that crashed did so because the speed was inappropriate not because it was 130 - who knows 125 may have been OK - if he'd been on a straight with nothing around then he wouldn't have crashed (most likely as thinhgs being equal etc etc!).
I'm pretty sure most of the uproar was the fact he got let off a charge where others ahve been prosecuted (so a biased law) - the actual speed wasn't the defining factor IMO.
The only time speed is a really factor is when stopping/cornering/braking - the guy that crashed did so because the speed was inappropriate not because it was 130 - who knows 125 may have been OK - if he'd been on a straight with nothing around then he wouldn't have crashed (most likely as thinhgs being equal etc etc!).
He was prosecuted, the judge threw it out. The prosecutor successfully appealed this IIRC and the copper faces a second trial.
Balky001
10-04-06, 03:39 PM
He was prosecuted, the judge threw it out. The prosecutor successfully appealed this IIRC and the copper faces a second trial.
Good for the prosecutors but as I mentioned the uproar was mostly due to the judge throwing it out rather than the speeding itself. That said, the public's reception of a single case doesn't really impinge on my opinion of speeding in general.
Speed on its own isn't dangerous - there's usually a combination of factors behind most accidents. Speeding can certainly contibute though and I agree it has to be appropriate although that's a subjective measurement.
Quiff Wichard
10-04-06, 08:08 PM
BORIN BORIN Arsenal !!!
Saint Matt
10-04-06, 09:12 PM
His crash didnt have anything to do with his speed, his bike gave way from under him, that is his route to college and he maxxes his bike out about twice a week, conditions permitting. He is not a dangerous rider.
kwak zzr
10-04-06, 09:22 PM
His crash didnt have anything to do with his speed, his bike gave way from under him
:shock: :?
arnt most accidents to do with some kind of speed? all the near misses i have are because i'm going to fast :oops:
Saint Matt
10-04-06, 09:58 PM
One of my accidents has been to do with speed. I suspect there was something on the road which had him off, it just seems very strange thats all. If he has slipped on somehtign, I wouldn't say speed had anything to do with it.
carelesschucca
10-04-06, 10:38 PM
no idea how he managed to take it at 130
lets be honest here he didn't manange hence the bike being in two pieces... If he'd been going slower he could have missed said article on the road and there would still be a bike in one bit!!!
If i'm not putting anyone else's life in danger and if I have assessed the situation i dont see any harm in opening it up a little.
Filipe M.
11-04-06, 09:53 AM
One of my accidents has been to do with speed. I suspect there was something on the road which had him off, it just seems very strange thats all. If he has slipped on somehtign, I wouldn't say speed had anything to do with it.
Hmmm... Have a look at this:
Every day on the way to work. It's not a an issue, because if you see it and act accordingly it's not really that slippy. The diesel excuse comes out way too much I think.
Connection, maybe? :?
Anonymous
11-04-06, 11:45 AM
Oh FFS guys. Some guys written of his CBR400 NC29 (which are just the best 400's out there - not many around in good nick these days) and all you lot can do is argue about the ifs and buts.
Matt - my regards to your mate.. he must be gutted bout the bike. I had one and i loved it.... handled like a dream.. those BT090 tires were superb come rain or shine.
Speed is NOT dangerous... INAPPROPRIATE speed IS dangerous.
We've all had this discussion and debate about a million and one times.. the biggest time i recall was after id been clocked last july.
Like my solicitor said in my case last year: The magistates were getting all pent up about the fact id been clocked at 98mph in a 60. They were saying it was dangerous, reckless etc. My solicitor stood up, and calmly said "listen, ill put good money, in fact, if im wrong, i wont charge my client for my services, but i can promise you, the defendant is not the only person in this room who has been charged and found guilty of speeding before..."
All 3 lay magistrates, the guys from CPS and the guys sat at the back from Law College all looked at each other sheepishly. Then my solicitior said:
"whats more, ill say its a fair bet to say that the people in this court room who have points on their licenses picked them up in 30 zones!" Again, lots more nervous looks at each other (you could see they were all guilty). He THEN proceeded to say:
"so, whats more dangerous, wreckless and down right stupid.. speeding in a 30 zone where children could be playing, crossing roads etc.. or out in the middle of nowhere where the only person he's likely to injure is himself, and possibly a dry stone wall?"
They again, started looking like complete fools... and my solicior announced proudly...
"I rest my case".
I was looking at 6 month ban and extended retest, plus possible points.
I walked away with no points, no fine, £50 costs, and 6 week short disqualification period ban.
Sorted.
Ill repeat... Speed isnt dangerous.. Inappropriate speed is.
Give the guy a break????
Diveboy
11-04-06, 01:09 PM
A number of you have said you asses the situation before blasting the bike down the road. Who says your assessment is correct. I'm sure most people don't look at a situation think i'm probably going to kill myself if I do that, then do it anyway.
What happens is they get carried away and convince themselves its ok and go for it.
I'm a novice rider and I know it. I never push the bike too hard. I've only been riding for 8 months 2 of which I didn't go out. The one time I got cocky I came off. I have been driving for 10 years and have done advance driving courses and a defensive driving course.
I have no problem with people doing 130mph but can you honestly tell me at 60mph over the speed limit he never passed one car. At that speed the driver would just hear a loud noise around the same time as he went past and panic.
Long story short Stupid is as Stupid does!
Saint Matt
11-04-06, 05:01 PM
I have no problem with people doing 130mph but can you honestly tell me at 60mph over the speed limit he never passed one car. At that speed the driver would just hear a loud noise around the same time as he went past and panic.
I can honestly say he did not pass one car. He crashed at round about 9 am on sunday morning, not the busiest of times on the road!
carelesschucca
11-04-06, 05:13 PM
Give the guy a break????
He's already got a break, right in the middle of his CBR's frame!!!
Biker Biggles
11-04-06, 06:12 PM
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone---------So I'm keeping out of this :lol:
Diveboy
11-04-06, 07:48 PM
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone---------So I'm keeping out of this :lol:
Ok but stay clear of my Mam. I don't think she has ever gone over 28mph even in my dad's old M5.
Diveboy
14-04-06, 07:13 PM
Don't want to spark this off again but I was thinking about my comments and just though about this.
Just about every biker I know, make that every biker I know spends ages improving and maintaining their bike. If its not right spend more time getting it that way. Where as most drivers I know don't give a **** and would dive with 3 bald tyres for 2 weeks until payday. So when a biker goes faster than the posted limit with a well maintained (usually sports orientated vehicle) bike it has to be much better than some bloke doing 80-90 in a shagged P reg Micra etc. Yet I see the later nearly every day.
So I think I have contradicted my self but hey life's a learning curve.
Just a thought :?
while 130mph may or may not be dangerous, it is certainly inappropriate at any time on the public road regardless! you simply do not know what conditions are like ahead.
unfortunately it is not just yourself you are putting in danger, i don't know what damage a sliding bike could do to someone / something at 130, but i don't expect it will be particularly pleasant.
also we (most of us) dislike cameras and silly speed limits, this is exactly the reason they are implemented.
Itching 2 go
14-04-06, 09:08 PM
while 130mph may or may not be dangerous, it is certainly inappropriate at any time on the public road regardless! you simply do not know what conditions are like ahead. even on the german autobahn?
i am referring to the uk.. germany is completely different
Peter Henry
14-04-06, 09:33 PM
Gnan..Heaven knows the extent of your disapproval IF I had tootled along at an indicated 156mph when two up on my first night of ownership of my GPZ1000RX,on the M62 near Cadishead. :wink: :P
IF I had done it,I could maybe be forgiven,as perhaps it would have been done in more simple times when we motorcyclists were not as educated as those of the modern era. :wink: :roll:
not being one who gains too much enjoyment out of purely riding fast i don't see the attraction in doing 130mph or whatever when the speed limit is 70, i think it's just irresponsible.. if a copper clocks you then your licence is over and if you come off and die then we all suffer with speed cameras, reduced limits, political shifts against bikers, etc, etc, etc... ths usual
the ones who get caught are usually the ones whinging about how to get out of it, so if you can't do the time, don't do the crime!
the 'perfect day' biker video should be a good education here! (to the guy who dropped the CBR400)
the overall problem is people think they are much better than they actually are, this i put down partially to modern bikes massaging riders ego's.. it's the same with car drivers, they think they're invincible because of ABS, ESP, 200 airbags, and whatever other acronymns there are for car safety devices nowadays, so therefore think they can do whatever they want!
Flamin_Squirrel
16-04-06, 10:58 PM
i am referring to the uk.. germany is completely different
Why?
the overall problem is people think they are much better than they actually are, this i put down partially to modern bikes massaging riders ego's..
What on earth makes you say this? What evidence do you have to support it?
it's the same with car drivers, they think they're invincible because of ABS, ESP, 200 airbags, and whatever other acronymns there are for car safety devices nowadays, so therefore think they can do whatever they want!
Rubbish. The majority of people are far better at decision making than you give them credit for. If you removed all speed limits entirely for a day I'd bet my life you'd not see a significant increase in accidents.
Car drivers are worse now than ever because they're repeatedly told that speed is the sole determining factor in the safety of their driving, and they're are actualy starting to believe it. This is not least because as long as you're not doing anything grossly stupid, its the only traffic offence the average driver has any real chance of being prosecuted for, so it's the main thing people look to avoid being caught for. Because lets face it, dangerous driving? That's fine, no cameras designed for catching that.
If you have a genuine interest in road safety you should understand that speed limits have little importance - a far more balanced approadh is required. Dangerous, incosiderate, inattentive careless driving is the problem. For example, as much as you dislike the idea of experienced people doing well over 100mph on fast open roads on dry sunny days, surely this doesnt compare in the danger stakes to some numpty doing 30mph round blind bends in the dark in bad weather past school gates with their eyes closed?
Filipe M.
17-04-06, 11:11 AM
not being one who gains too much enjoyment out of purely riding fast i don't see the attraction in doing 130mph or whatever when the speed limit is 70, i think it's just irresponsible.. if a copper clocks you then your licence is over and if you come off and die then we all suffer with speed cameras, reduced limits, political shifts against bikers, etc, etc, etc... ths usual
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I thought you were against breaking the speed limits, how could speed cameras possibly make you suffer? :P
because i don't believe cameras help safety, they are often sited incorrectly and they make you paranoid that you are going to get flashed and put up your insurance and lighten your wallet hence cause frustration!
Filipe M.
17-04-06, 09:32 PM
because i don't believe cameras help safety, they are often sited incorrectly and they make you paranoid that you are going to get flashed and put up your insurance and lighten your wallet hence cause frustration!
I'm failing to see your point :? If you're really against speeding, you should be paranoid about the speed limits themselves, not the speed cameras... Assuming you are always in every circumstance at or below the speed limit, you should really have no problem with incorrect placement or even the cameras existance itself... :?
ah, but our speed cameras (the LTI 2020 in particular) can accuse people wrongly of speeding when they are well under and there is no way to prove it without paying thousands of pounds for a decent lawyer..
i don't like speed cameras because they cause people to panic brake for no reason, it seems to be an automatic reaction.. speed camera = brakes, regardless of whether people are over the speed limit or not - it's dangerous and distracts your attention from the road ahead
Right, i was there, ffs why are you all so bothered? the roads were clear there were about 7 of us i was in the leading trio him me and another lad doing about 90ish, he then cleared off he uses that road nigh on everyday, conditions were slippy roads it was 9.45 so all due and that was still left on the roads! from what i gather from what he was saying was his rear tyre give up the ghost and then the front went, he only lowsided so wasnt like a highside at that speed, was wearing full leathers and slided to a stop, although i never actually saw him come off i saw his bike still sliding down the road. he isnt moaning saying o it was diesel o it wasnt my fault etc etc so why are you??? also can any of you swear down you have never broke any speed limit 40 in a 30 past a school at start or end times with kids everywhere is much more dangerous than 130 on an empty dual carriageway
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