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timwilky
10-04-06, 11:46 AM
OK, I admit it my Jack Russell Jasper is a racist, He would be happy with a pointy hat and sheet. He has no good reason to be. We have a number of friends of different colours and he hates them all.
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He has learn't to allow two "black" friends into the house, 1 South African and the other West Indian, but we dare not leave him unattended with them.
Well today he was in his element, Not only was it a canvasser who knocked at the door and therefore a valid target for the snarls, display of teeth, growls and barks. Although these are normally reserved for the postman. But the guy was unfortunate enough to be Indian. Now jasper was in double delight.
The guy was trying to flog electricity so not onto a good start, With Jasper held firmly under my arm I could not hear him anyway. I hope the guy did not think me rude as I closed the door on him, but it was for his own protection, if Jasper had manged to wriggle free, the guy would be breakfast.
Now Jasper is normally a very friendly dog. But try telling that to the guy pinned against the wall with the warm puddle forming at their feet. They just don't believe you.
My Python is racist. He'll only eat white mice!
Black, brown, nah - he won't touch 'em. Even if they are white with just a few coloured hairs it's a no go and he turns his nose up at them. :roll:
Maybe it's nature's way of counterbalancing your dog! :wink:
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Tim, now i like dogs, but yours looks positively evil!
Keith, you are funny
timwilky
10-04-06, 01:49 PM
Tim, now i like dogs, but yours looks positively evil!
Keith, you are funny
Careful Viney, he is trained to go for the knackers. Probably something to do with the cruel women in this house having arranged the removal of his.
I think the pointy hat suits him, all he need now is a flaming cross
northwind
10-04-06, 02:47 PM
Ever seen the film White Dog? That's your dog, that is.
mudge32
10-04-06, 02:53 PM
Ever seen the film White Dog? That's your dog, that is.
:lol: :lol: :shock:
White Dog - Paul Winfield is a trainer attempting to reprogram vicious dog who's been trained to attack and kill people with black skin
Have to say, in that photo he really really doesn't look that friendly. :?
Biker Biggles
10-04-06, 05:16 PM
I think he looks just great.Russels always look the part and usually act the part as well. :twisted:
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Strange that...all of our dogs in south africa were racist for some reason...never liked black people at all :?
philipMac
10-04-06, 05:23 PM
Strange that...all of our dogs in south africa were racist for some reason...never liked black people at all :?
Is is safe to presume that these dogs are the dogs that are owned by whites?
Strange that...all of our dogs in south africa were racist for some reason...never liked black people at all :?
Is is safe to presume that these dogs are the dogs that are owned by whites?
Nope, not at all. These were just the dogs that my parents and in-laws owned. The only black people my mother-in-laws dogs would allow in the house/garden were the gardener(and he was only allowed outside) and the maid who come round and cleaned once a week.
Dicky Ticker
10-04-06, 05:48 PM
When my old man lived in Malawi he had the worlds worst racsist Dachshound that had been badly treated,i.e. kicked and stoned nearly to death,by locals for barking at them. This little mut must have had radar instead of ears because he would start barking at anything within 50yds of the compound Not a lot to fear in a Dachshound----------but it was the two Ridgebacks he had with him that would cause you a bit of trouble Funnything being it was the little dog that was king of the castle and ruled the roost,he wouldn't even allow the big dogs in the house,standing on the porch growling at them ,but he only had to bark and the other two were at his side Very strange animal but a terrific little dog to have on your side
Biker Biggles
10-04-06, 06:06 PM
Never get on the wrong side of a small psychopathic dog.I had a Jack Russel when I was a kid and I got set upon by a gang of thugs in the town one day.Stupid thing to do as I had the dog with me. :lol: :lol: :lol: Blood flowed and it was'nt mine.
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philipMac
10-04-06, 07:35 PM
Strange that...all of our dogs in south africa were racist for some reason...never liked black people at all :?
Is is safe to presume that these dogs are the dogs that are owned by whites?
Nope, not at all. These were just the dogs that my parents and in-laws owned. The only black people my mother-in-laws dogs would allow in the house/garden were the gardener(and he was only allowed outside) and the maid who come round and cleaned once a week.
Is your sig DNA?
Like, ATG ATT is the sequence that translates into the amino acids Methionine and Isoleucine respectively. Whose abrvs are MI. MI? What does MI mean? Drawing a blank here.
Oh yeah. And, I saw a Rhodesian Ridgeback in a park near work here. Possibley one of the most frightening animals I have ever seen. I think it would take a Pitbull. Huge, incredibley muscular, and apparantly quite thick.
Cloggsy
10-04-06, 08:03 PM
Must be something about Jack Russells TBH... My in-laws Russell was the same :roll:
Strange that...all of our dogs in south africa were racist for some reason...never liked black people at all :?
Is is safe to presume that these dogs are the dogs that are owned by whites?
Nope, not at all. These were just the dogs that my parents and in-laws owned. The only black people my mother-in-laws dogs would allow in the house/garden were the gardener(and he was only allowed outside) and the maid who come round and cleaned once a week.
Is your sig DNA?
Like, ATG ATT is the sequence that translates into the amino acids Methionine and Isoleucine respectively. Whose abrvs are MI. MI? What does MI mean? Drawing a blank here.
Oh yeah. And, I saw a Rhodesian Ridgeback in a park near work here. Possibley one of the most frightening animals I have ever seen. I think it would take a Pitbull. Huge, incredibley muscular, and apparantly quite thick.
Huh???? :oops: :oops: :oops:
Nope ATGATT stands for All The Gear All The Time :wink:
MI? Dont see MI anywhere?
Rhodesian ridgeback? No, my mother-in-law has 2 black labradors...the one is quite thick though :roll:
I used to throw a ball at the wall slowly and the dog used to run for it but run too fast, thereby missing the ball and hitting the wall :lol: :lol: :lol: Used to get absolutely lambasted by my missus and sis-in-law for doing it but it was hilariously funny! Kinda like a scooby doo moment :lol: :lol: :lol:
Must be something about Jack Russells TBH... My in-laws Russell was the same :roll:
My jack russel at home is the absolute opposite of any dog I've owned before( mainly rottweilers)....wont shut up when we have guests...piddles all over them when he gets attention and will lick anyone who pays him attention to death...absolutely brilliant with our three year old daughter as well and would not hurt a fly :D
goonrider
10-04-06, 09:06 PM
It's not just Jack Russells!
I grew up in a part in London which has a large mix of both Irish and West Indian people.
My dog, a border terrier (like Benjy) used to 'go' for only black people, really embarrasing!. :shock: :oops:
Anytime a Black friend would come round he would go nuts but was fine with anyone white. I didn't want anyone thinking it's me I haven't got a racist bone in me.
Strange!!?
For some reason that picture just conjures up the phrase Devil Dog.
Sorry that dog just looks evil. :(
But then I dont like dogs - being bitten badly by one as a kid has had a lasting effect.
Gimme cats any day - except Siameses. Apparently they can be as vicious as any dog when they want to be. :shock:
philipMac
10-04-06, 09:34 PM
For some reason that picture just conjures up the phrase Devil Dog.
Sorry that dog just looks evil. :(
Wait till you see a Ridgeback. Seriously. Pitbulls make me very uncomfortable. That Ridgeback just made me start sweating, all it did was stand there, in the dog run, all the other dogs were all freaking out, standing around barking like mad, and it just looked at them.
I have honestly never seen a more menacing looking dog, it could easily reach up and rip out a adult humans throat. Easily.
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*that made me cry*
Jack Russells, terriers of any kind in fact, all have a mean streak a mile wide in there somewhere. They have to, they were bred for generations to fight, injure and kill vermin that was either far greater than them in size & strength, or greater in numbers.
Rats, polecats, foxes, badgers etc. It's no wonder they often rule the roost over bigger dogs.
Personally give me Gundogs any day. Nice, clever yet dopey things whose only real desire is to please their owners. Rarely a bad bone in thier body.
Though Laberadors, gimme a break. I think there is a set number of brain cells for the entire breed, some get a full compliment whilst the majority barely have two to rub together!
And Hounds. I love Hounds. Exceedingly clever and dedicated when focussed, when not - dopey, lazy and just happy to know you.
My little'un has had basic Gundog and 'Seeker' training. All of his toys have names and it's great to exercise his brain by hiding all of them and getting him to search and retrieve a specific one. He's so focussed it's incredible. Head down, tearing through the house and garden. Totally intent on finding the toy you asked for, all the while his tails wagging like mad.
Yet when relaxing he's the dumbest, puppy-acting clown ever.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/spazmutt/Kodo/Cute.jpg
He can switch in a split-second though if another dog or person acts agressively towards me.
Is there any scientific reason for racist dogs ?
Do they really not see in colour, or is that a myth ?
K - What a cutie, whats his name ?
Jelster
11-04-06, 10:06 AM
Rhodesian Ridgeback, no that's one mean SOB dog......
I tried finding a picture which really shows it's physique well but it needs to be seen with another dog for you to get an impression of it's shape.
http://www.murenga.com/italia/mookie.jpg
About the size of a large Labrador, similar in stature to a boxer, but but thicker set, and a strange row of hairs running down it's back which lay the wrong way, forming a "ridge", hence it's name.
Mate of mine used to have one, so obedient, but I wouldn't of wanted to upset it...
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Is there any scientific reason for racist dogs ?
Do they really not see in colour, or is that a myth ?
K - What a cutie, whats his name ?
Kodo.
It may well have something to do with the fact that they really can't see in colour, just tones.
They have no rods (or cones, I can never remember which) in thier retina, so colours don't register. Everything is a shade of grey.
It could well me that with a darker skin tone it's more difficult for them to differentiate specific facial features that relate to moods - therefore their initial reaction is going to be one of wariness.
In dogs that are bred for aggression (for any purpose) their 'fight or flight' response will more often initially veer towards the aggressive end of the scale.
It is still true however that they can link certain rewards or trauma to specific 'shades of grey'.
Kodo will react very vocally when someone with a big red bag shows up - cos it either means Pizza Delivery or the Post!
Likewise I can't have a packet of anything within his field of vision that is the same yellow as Pedigree Chum. He'll fixate on them cos he knows they contain treats or dog food. It's fun sometimes to confuse him by buying something for him but in a different coloured box - he'll just ignore it until you make a big show of giving it to him. :roll:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/spazmutt/Kodo/Kodo926.jpg
If that treat had been a 'Chum' one he'd have run off and eaten it - but PetSmart's own in a silver packet = momentary confusion. :oops:
He also has a very strong sense of ownership. He'll occasionally steal a jumper off a chair to sleep on if I'm out - but will immediately give it up.
If I try to take his rugby shirt for the wash - I've got a fight on my hands if he notices.
(The shirt used to be mine - he's had a bit of cast off clothing as a comforter ever since he was a puppy. He sulked for days when I took the first one from him, a wooly jumper that was more hole than wool, so I've had to replace them ever since each 6 months or so. He won't accept new stuff either. It has to have been mine for at least a year. :roll: )
Stormspiel
11-04-06, 12:13 PM
Rhodesian Ridgeback = Evil at birth
:lol:
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My dog's just giddy 24/7..She's coming up to 1 yr old on 17th and still hasn't calmed down any( apparently all patterdale's are like that). She'll Sit and shake fo treats etc, Sits when you want to take her out. But when anybody comes in the house she'll jump up and nip them. Let her off the lead and she won't come back till SHE wants to which can be very annoying :evil:
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Oscars soft as a brush. He'll let anybody in the house he's met before and doesn't even bark when they open the gate. But if it's someone he's not met....he wants to eat them till you tell him otherwise :shock: My mate ( coloured lad...top kid) Couldn't step in the garden till i walked out and let him in...as soon as he was in the garden, Oscar licked him to death. He's like a little kid...throws paddies all the time if you ignore him and gets jealous if you give anybody a hug.
Rhodesian Ridgeback, no that's one mean SOB dog......
I tried finding a picture which really shows it's physique well but it needs to be seen with another dog for you to get an impression of it's shape..
You dont need to. Im scared just looking at the thing. :shock: :(
It probably doesnt help that dogs can read that I dont like them or they scare me. Even though its nearly 25 years since getting bitten I have never got over that. :(
Edit: oh thankyou very much for that pic Stormspiel.... :shock: :( :P :wink:
Biker Biggles
11-04-06, 12:41 PM
Stormspiel-------That pup looks like Mrs Biggles on that anniversary I forgot. :oops: :wink:
my mutt has a thing (probably taught by my stepdad :roll: ) to dislike all the immigrants that live down the road from us... and coloured people too...
oh and the postie :lol:
my mutt has a thing (probably taught by my stepdad :roll: ) to dislike all the immigrants that live down the road from us... and coloured people too...
oh and the postie :lol:
I'll bet your stepdad grew up on a farm in South Africa then :!: :twisted: :D
Certainly sounds like it :wink:
philipMac
11-04-06, 07:07 PM
coloured people too...
What, like people with all purple and green and blue stripes all over them?
Or, do you mean people that were not transparent?
philipMac
11-04-06, 08:03 PM
why are dogs racist?
If they really are racist, there are two options.
If is an innate response, this means that somewhere in the DNA of the dog, there is a bit that says, "see those dudes with the coffee coloured skin, they are your sworn enemies. Dont worry, you will learn about coffee later."
OR
It is a learned response.
If it is a learned response, it means that the dog learned it from humans. (If it learned it from other dogs, those dogs will have to have learned it from people, etc etc. Therefore, it is learned from people.)
If it is learned from humans, those humans can either be black people, or white people.
This means that there is either some sort of joint agreement amoungst black people to frighten and agititate dogs, teaching the dogs that they are generally scary people. (this is why dogs are not happy with postmen. These people are strangers, and they come to the door, and the meddle about the place, and the dog comes over, lets his presence be known, and the person quickly leaves. Therefore they were bad people, that need to be chased away.)
Or, white people teach the dog to not like black people.
Either white people can do this intentionally, or unintentionally. Dogs are very protective and loving animals. They want to please you, and they will learn fast.
why are dogs racist?
If they really are racist, there are two options.
If is an innate response, this means that somewhere in the DNA of the dog, there is a bit that says, "see those dudes with the coffee coloured skin, they are your sworn enemies. Dont worry, you will learn about coffee later."
OR
It is a learned response.
If it is a learned response, it means that the dog learned it from humans. (If it learned it from other dogs, those dogs will have to have learned it from people, etc etc. Therefore, it is learned from people.)
If it is learned from humans, those humans can either be black people, or white people.
This means that there is either some sort of joint agreement amoungst black people to frighten and agititate dogs, teaching the dogs that they are generally scary people. (this is why dogs are not happy with postmen. These people are strangers, and they come to the door, and the meddle about the place, and the dog comes over, lets his presence be known, and the person quickly leaves. Therefore they were bad people, that need to be chased away.)
Or, white people teach the dog to not like black people.
Either white people can do this intentionally, or unintentionally. Dogs are very protective and loving animals. They want to please you, and they will learn fast.
You studied philosophy at uni didn't you :? :)
Tim mate dont they say that owners in genaral look like there dog?
mudge32
11-04-06, 08:16 PM
Tim mate dont they say that owners in genaral look like there dog?
Quick someone Photoshop the dog with Tim's Teletubby suit :lol: :lol:
Tim mate dont they say that owners in genaral look like there dog?
Quick someone Photoshop the dog with Tim's Teletubby suit :lol: :lol:
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Biker Biggles
11-04-06, 08:18 PM
I think they say dogs take after their owners.
In which case I must be one dimwitted awkward bugger.And always hungry. :lol:
philipMac
11-04-06, 08:24 PM
You studied philosophy at uni didn't you :? :)
Maths, and computer science.
I think it may have something to do with smell though... :? :shock: :roll:
GSXR Carlos
11-04-06, 08:43 PM
we've always had alsatian (sp?) in the family soft as anything to any one of us, but don't upset them. my grandad's just got a jack russel and all it wants to do it bite me, in a play full kind of way, but i always come away with teenth marks in me :lol:
i love dogs, its cats i don't like
philipMac
11-04-06, 08:44 PM
I think it may have something to do with smell though... :? :shock: :roll:
back into my if loop.
Either the smell is innately distastfull to them. Ie dog DNA says its not a nice smell.
Or its taught.
I think it may have something to do with smell though... :? :shock: :roll:
back into my if loop.
Either the smell is innately distastfull to them. Ie dog DNA says its not a nice smell.
Or its taught.
I dont think it is taught...how do you teach a dog to not like a black person? I've never been able to figure out why any our dogs in SA had a dislike for black people. It may be DNA or something in the dogs genes (possibly from its parents being trained to hate)
Irrespective...my little jack russel here, now, does not hate anyone except the neighbours who are white scottish(but that may have something to do with the fact that they own the black cat that sits on top of my shed teasing and taunting it all day :lol: )
I think it may have something to do with smell though... :? :shock: :roll:
back into my if loop.
Either the smell is innately distastfull to them. Ie dog DNA says its not a nice smell.
Or its taught.
I dont think it is taught...how do you teach a dog to not like a black person? I've never been able to figure out why any our dogs in SA had a dislike for black people. It may be DNA or something in the dogs genes (possibly from its parents being trained to hate)
Irrespective...my little jack russel here, now, does not hate anyone except the neighbours who are white scottish(but that may have something to do with the fact that they own the black cat that sits on top of my shed teasing and taunting it all day :lol: )
It's very easy to teach a dog something without intending to do it.
Remember, the vast majority of canine communication (apart from small) is body language - they pick up on this from humans without us realising it.
If you are nervous or wary, their protective instinct will kick in. If you are agressive they will back you up. It can be the subtlist of signals that a dog will highlight and form an association for.
I can look sternly at Kodo, cross my arms = his ears go down and he takes up a submissive posture. The second I smile his tail wags.
Even the simple fact of a society of segregation is something a dog can and will pick up on. They will notice the difference standards (espescially if they are mainly on one side - ie; owned by whites) and highlight them.
Of course they don't understnad 'why' - they just see a difference in treatment and react accordingly.
Likewise, they pick up reactions too them as well. As Lyn says - dogs know who is afraid of them and it will affect their response.
I'm totally guessing here, but if the majority of dogs are a) owned by whites & b) used to protect people & property, then a blacks reaction to them is going to be one of nervousess. They dont' know whether a dog is a pet or a protector - they will naturally be cautious.
The dog will pick up on this and often assume that a nervous acting person is not only a potential threat, but one that is going to be easily scared away = aggressive stance from the dog.
Then you've got the whole inhereted response thing. You put a dead rat in a compound with a Jack Russell - the dog will go for the rat and shake it to 'kill' it without thinking. They have been bred and trained to serve this purpose for so long it has become instince.
You put a gundog in the same situation it'll probably want to investigate or play with the body, but most likely it will gently pick it up and bring it to the human. It's what they have been bred to do.
My brother and I used to have great fun winding up our Border Collie by running in opposite directiosn in the garden and he'd automatically try to herd us back together. This is a dog who was born in a pub and never seen a sheep n his life. Instinct.
I don't know the whole ins and outs of how long inhereted response take to become ingraned to any degree - but it's likely that it's a factor in a long standing segregated society.
9 times out of ten problem pets are actually picking up and reacting to signals from their owners. About 75% of the work in resolving issues with problem pet dogs is spend in re-training the owners. :roll:
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