New Retro Ducati

[tricky]

http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2006/ducatiModel.jhtml?family=sportclassic&modelName=GT1000-06

Looks ok from some angles but TBH I think its a bit of an uggo !

Discuss:

[Halonic]

odd

not sure if I like it or not

has classic appeal but does look a tad too much like a 125 commuter

I think need to see in flesh

[DanAbnormal]

Not my cup of tea at all. I think a classic is a classic, most times a modern that is made to like like a classic fails (unless it's the GT40). :)

[Peter Henry]

Tricky...I have to agree,not my cup of tea at all. However I would love the bike shown below! :P

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9480/ducati20special5py.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[hall13uk]

OMFG what were they smoking :!: :shock:

[Halonic]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9480/ducati20special5py.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:sick:

thank you

my half digested lunch now lays strewn across the floor, and I'm hungry again.

could we get some warning next time you want to show us post-op bike pics

[Skip]

At first I thought it looked ok, then after looking longer I decided that I didnt like it....

Ducati Desmo Twin performance
Lets hope they dont do a 600 version then - no performance at all! :lol:

[Jase22]

The model with the twin exausts at one side looks far better, the Sport 1000.

See here (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2006/ducatiModel.jhtml?family=sportclassic&modelName=SPORT1000-06)

[northwind]

I wonder what Ducati think they're making, wedging all those modern bits on a retro. It just looks ridiculous. You can make a modern-ish retro without totally abandoning the character of the original, just look at the Bonnies, but these things are just awful.

[tricky]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9480/ducati20special5py.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:sick:

thank you

my half digested lunch now lays strewn across the floor, and I'm hungry again.

could we get some warning next time you want to show us post-op bike pics

Now I think that looks ok, it has that certian bitsa charm about it.
Pretty cool piece of engineering too.

[Peter Henry]

Halonic...Your a very funny guy...well ok I stretch the point a little. :P

[Skip]

The model with the twin exausts at one side looks far better, the Sport 1000.

See here (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2006/ducatiModel.jhtml?family=sportclassic&modelName=SPORT1000-06)

Now that I quite like.... :thumbsup:

[Halonic]

I wonder what Ducati think they're making, wedging all those modern bits on a retro. It just looks ridiculous. You can make a modern-ish retro without totally abandoning the character of the original, just look at the Bonnies, but these things are just awful.

now theres two ways to look at that, it could be said that triumph are ripping people off. In these days of USD forks, floating discs and radial callipers, anything without them could well be described as budget, yet triumph charges premium prices for less then top spec equipment, under the banner of "retro". A good comparison is the thruxton and the sport classic, similar price but a world apart spec wise.

Just because thats how things were in 1967 doesnt mean we should be still doing it. Time and technology move on, and the Ducati retro range combine the best aspects of retro gear with modern tech.

If you want true retro, seek thee Classic Bike Guide and get ready with that oily rag. If you want retro looks and none of the hassle well....

Now wheres me Norton Commando?

[tricky]

THeres somthing about all of these retro bikes that doesn't look quite right to me, something in the proportions of bike that is just ever so slightly off.

[Jase22]

THeres somthing about all of these retro bikes that doesn't look quite right to me, something in the proportions of bike that is just ever so slightly off.


It's probably a combination of smaller wheels and shorter wheelbase on the new "retro" bikes.

Didn't Vincent used to run something like 21" wheels?

[Peter Henry]

Tricky...That is simply due to the era in which you live in. Retro is never going to compare like for like with the modern bikes we see today. They are just not as appealing,however someone from that era would suggest the modern bikes look like toys rather than real machines! It's all about perspective I guess. 8)

[rictus01]

Now I see what they are doing, but to be honest, apart from the Paul Smart one, I'm not that impressed, I think Triumph do a better job on the moden retro thing.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/tri_bonneville_T100.jpg

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/tri_scrambler.jpg

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/tri_thurxton.jpg

And you can lay bets the Triumphs will be cheaper.

Cheers Mark.

[Peter Henry]

oooh that blue café racer type one is kinda nice? What's that one called? (Please don't say Timothy or anything else equally predictable! :wink: :P )

[northwind]

To me it utterly misses the point of a retro to load it up with visibly modern bits... If you want something that looks and moves like a modern sports bike, get one. You can make a retro that still looks retro without having to have a low spec- even just using RWU forks and regular calipers would make a huge difference, especially on this one where it's relatively true to the original look already.

[Halonic]

oooh that blue café racer type one is kinda nice? What's that one called? (Please don't say Timothy or anything else equally predictable! :wink: :P )

thats the Thruxton my good man, lovely little bike but not a patch on the Ducati Sport

hold up. I'll find some specs

edit: AHA!

got them

Thruxton:
Engine Type Air-cooled, DOHC, parallel-twin, 360 degree firing interval
Capacity 865cc
Bore/Stroke 90 x 68mm
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Fuel System Twin carburettors with throttle position sensor and electric carburettor heaters
Ignition Digital - inductive type
Transmission Primary Drive Gear
Final Drive X ring chain
Clutch Wet, multi-plate
Gearbox 5-speed
Cycle Parts Frame Tubular steel cradle
Swingarm Twin-sided, tubular steel
Front Wheel 36-spoke, 18 x 2.5in
Rear Wheel 40-spoke, 17 x 3.5in
Front Tyre 100/90 18
Rear Tyre 130/80 R17
Front Suspension 41mm forks with adjustable preload
Rear Suspension Chromed spring twin shocks with adjustable preload
Front Brakes Single 320mm floating disc, 2 piston caliper
Rear Brakes Single 255mm disc, 2 piston caliper
Dimensions Length 2150mm (84.6in)
Width (Handlebars) 695mm (27.4in)
Height 1095mm (43.1in)
Seat Height 790mm (31.1in)
Wheelbase 1490mm (56.7in)
Rake/Trail 27 degree/97mm
Weight (Dry) 205kg (451lbs)
Fuel Tank Capacity 16 litres (4.2 gal US)
Performance (Measured at crankshaft to DIN 70020) Maximum Power 70PS (69bhp) at 7,200 rpm
Maximum Torque 72Nm (53ft.lbf) at 6,400rpm
Colours Jet Black/Silver, Racing Yellow/Silver, Caspian Blue/Silver
Price £5,699.00 'on the road' retail


Ducati Sport:

Frame: Tubular steel trellis
Wheelbase: 1425 mm / 56.1 in
Rake: 24°
Front Suspension: 43 mm upside-down fork
Front Wheel Travel: 120 mm / 4.7 in
Front Brake: 2 x 320 mm semi-floating discs, 2-piston, 2- sintered pad floating caliper
Front Wheel: Spoke wheel with aluminium rim 3.50 x 17
Front Tyre: 120/70 R 17
Rear Suspsension: Sachs fully adjustable monoshock absorber on the left side
Rear Wheel Travel: 130 mm / 5.1 in
Rear Brake: 245 mm disc, 1-piston floating caliper
Rear Wheel: Spoke wheel with aluminium rim 5.50 x 17
Rear Tyre: 180/55 R 17
Fuel Capacity: 15 L / 3.9 US gal (includes 3.5 L / 1 US gal reserve)
Weight: 179 kg / 394 lbs
Seat Height: 825 mm / 32.5 in
Instruments: Electronic panel: speedometer, rev counter, high beam indicator, turn signals, oil pressure warning light, low fuel warning light, LCD clock, immobilizer
Warranty: 2 years unlimited mileage
Tank and Fairing Colours: black-red-burnt yellow
Frame and Wheel Colours: (black-black-aluminium) (red-black-aluminium) (burnt yellow-black-aluminium)
Versions: Single seat
Type: L-twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic; air cooled
Displacement: 992 cc
Bore and Stroke: 94 x 71.5 mm
Compression Ratio: 10:1
Power: 67.7 kw - 92 hp @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 9.3 kgm (67.3 lb-ft) @ 6000 rpm
Fuel Injection: Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45 mm throttle body
Exaust: Black exhaust system with two right-side mufflers
Emissions: Euro 3
Transmission
Gearbox: 6 speed
Ratio: 1st 37/15, 2nd 30/17, 3rd 27/20, 4th 24/22, 5th 23/24, 6th 24/28
Primary Drive: Straight cut gears; ratio 1.84
Final Drive: Chain; Front sprocket 15; Rear sprocket 38
Clutch: Dry multiplate with hydraulic control
Retail list price: £7495 (From 3X motorcycles)

So for an extra two grand, you get a modern, retro styled bike, rather then the stripped retro from Triumph

[mudge32]

Is it suppose to be a crosser??? That's a heck of a gap between the rear wheel and the mudguard :? :lol:

http://johnvalkbmw.ca/2005/Ducati/SportClassic/pictures/M-GT1000.jpg

[rictus01]

oooh that blue café racer type one is kinda nice? What's that one called? (Please don't say Timothy or anything else equally predictable! :wink: :P )

thats the Thruxton my good man, lovely little bike but not a patch on the Ducati Sport

hold up. I'll find some specs

I really suppose it's what you're looking for?

is it a moden version of yesteryears bikes, the look with moden reliability? good performance, after all the triumph stuff my not have all the twisty knobs on it but does a more that fair job and even the smaller engined Bonnie will pull over a ton?

Or of course, if you're after the latest in bouncy bits, UDF, but then why go Retro?


Thruxton:
Engine Type Air-cooled, DOHC, parallel-twin, 360 degree firing interval
Capacity 865cc
Bore/Stroke 90 x 68mm
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Fuel System Twin carburettors with throttle position sensor and electric carburettor heaters
Ignition Digital - inductive type
Transmission Primary Drive Gear
Final Drive X ring chain
Clutch Wet, multi-plate
Gearbox 5-speed
Cycle Parts Frame Tubular steel cradle
Swingarm Twin-sided, tubular steel
Front Wheel 36-spoke, 18 x 2.5in
Rear Wheel 40-spoke, 17 x 3.5in
Front Tyre 100/90 18
Rear Tyre 130/80 R17
Front Suspension 41mm forks with adjustable preload
Rear Suspension Chromed spring twin shocks with adjustable preload
Front Brakes Single 320mm floating disc, 2 piston caliper
Rear Brakes Single 255mm disc, 2 piston caliper
Dimensions Length 2150mm (84.6in)
Width (Handlebars) 695mm (27.4in)
Height 1095mm (43.1in)
Seat Height 790mm (31.1in)
Wheelbase 1490mm (56.7in)
Rake/Trail 27 degree/97mm
Weight (Dry) 205kg (451lbs)
Fuel Tank Capacity 16 litres (4.2 gal US)
Performance (Measured at crankshaft to DIN 70020) Maximum Power 70PS (69bhp) at 7,200 rpm
Maximum Torque 72Nm (53ft.lbf) at 6,400rpm
Colours Jet Black/Silver, Racing Yellow/Silver, Caspian Blue/Silver
Price £5,699.00 'on the road' retail


Ducati Sport:

Frame: Tubular steel trellis
Wheelbase: 1425 mm / 56.1 in
Rake: 24°
Front Suspension: 43 mm upside-down fork
Front Wheel Travel: 120 mm / 4.7 in
Front Brake: 2 x 320 mm semi-floating discs, 2-piston, 2- sintered pad floating caliper
Front Wheel: Spoke wheel with aluminium rim 3.50 x 17
Front Tyre: 120/70 R 17
Rear Suspsension: Sachs fully adjustable monoshock absorber on the left side
Rear Wheel Travel: 130 mm / 5.1 in
Rear Brake: 245 mm disc, 1-piston floating caliper
Rear Wheel: Spoke wheel with aluminium rim 5.50 x 17
Rear Tyre: 180/55 R 17
Fuel Capacity: 15 L / 3.9 US gal (includes 3.5 L / 1 US gal reserve)
Weight: 179 kg / 394 lbs
Seat Height: 825 mm / 32.5 in
Instruments: Electronic panel: speedometer, rev counter, high beam indicator, turn signals, oil pressure warning light, low fuel warning light, LCD clock, immobilizer
Warranty: 2 years unlimited mileage
Tank and Fairing Colours: black-red-burnt yellow
Frame and Wheel Colours: (black-black-aluminium) (red-black-aluminium) (burnt yellow-black-aluminium)
Versions: Single seat
Type: L-twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic; air cooled
Displacement: 992 cc
Bore and Stroke: 94 x 71.5 mm
Compression Ratio: 10:1
Power: 67.7 kw - 92 hp @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 9.3 kgm (67.3 lb-ft) @ 6000 rpm
Fuel Injection: Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45 mm throttle body
Exaust: Black exhaust system with two right-side mufflers
Emissions: Euro 3
Transmission
Gearbox: 6 speed
Ratio: 1st 37/15, 2nd 30/17, 3rd 27/20, 4th 24/22, 5th 23/24, 6th 24/28
Primary Drive: Straight cut gears; ratio 1.84
Final Drive: Chain; Front sprocket 15; Rear sprocket 38
Clutch: Dry multiplate with hydraulic control
Retail list price: £7495 (From 3X motorcycles)

So for an extra two grand, you get a modern, retro styled bike, rather then the stripped retro from Triumph

Or of course for another £300, even more go?

Suzuki 2006 GSXR 750
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
Overall Length: 2,040mm (80.3 in)
Overall Width: 715mm (28.1 in)
Overall Height: 1,125mm (44.3 in)
Wheelbase: 1,400mm (55.1 in)
Ground Clearance: 130 mm (5.1 in.)
Seat Height: 810mm (31.9 in)
Dry Mass: 163 kg
Fuel Capacity: 16.5 litres

ENGINE:
Engine Type: 4-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, 4-cylinder
Bore x Stroke: 70.0mm x 48.7mm
Max Power:
Max Torque:
Piston Displacement: 749cc
Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
Carburettor: Fuel injection 42 mm
Lubrication: Wet sump

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:
Ignition Type: Electric
Starter System: Electric

TRANSMISSION:
Clutch:
Transmission: 6-speed constant mesh
Drive System: Chain

CHASSIS:
Front Suspension: Inverted telescopic, coil spring, spring pre-load fully adjustable, rebound and compression damping force fully adjustable
Rear Suspension: Link type, oil damped, coil spring, spring pre-load fully adjsuatble, rebound and compression damping force fully adjustable
Rake/Trail: 23.8 degrees / 97 mm (3.8 in)
Front Brake: Radial mount, 4-piston calipers,
Rear Brake: 1-piston caliper, 220 mm disk brake
Front Tyre: 120/70 ZR17M/C (58W)
Rear Tyre: 180/55 ZR17M/C (73W)

RRP £7,799

Cheers Mark.

[Halonic]

Or of course, if you're after the latest in bouncy bits, UDF, but then why go Retro?


well that was my thinking with the SV, why hark after a long gone era, when you can have a new classic :twisted:

All I need now are some clip ons, some rear sets and a rear seat cowl, then Daisy, the SV Cafe racer, shall be complete. Though I had better start saving for the NEC show if I want to get this done....

edit: and let me be the first to say :offtopic:

where were we?

[tricky]

Tricky...That is simply due to the era in which you live in. Retro is never going to compare like for like with the modern bikes we see today. They are just not as appealing,however someone from that era would suggest the modern bikes look like toys rather than real machines! It's all about perspective I guess. 8)

Not really I just think they look a bit awkward :D
I'm actually quite into classics

http://upload3.postimage.org/91025/matchless.jpg (http://upload3.postimage.org/91025/photo_hosting.html)

Something like this makes me drool almost as much as one of these:

http://upload3.postimage.org/91029/Ducati_999S.jpg (http://upload3.postimage.org/91029/photo_hosting.html)

8)

[mudge32]

Here ya go :wink: Some "real" classic Italians for sale (and some Brits*) :lol:

http://www.dimarino.co.uk/shop/bikes


*Edited 16:26 And some Japs :roll:

They've even got one of the these rare beasties

http://www.dimarino.co.uk/images/83.JPG

A Duke 350F3...eee I'd 'ave loved one of these as a sprog!!!!

[triumph5ta]

An old fart writes:
I started biking in the 70s when most bikes looked like the new/old ducatis. I must admit when I see some of the new retro bikes they do look good but then I look closer they dont quite work, somehow they are too big and fat, eg put a new bonneville next to a meriden one and the new one looks huge. I have been spoilt by modern handling and performance, brakes and lights that work. I think a new SV1000 unfaired would cost a lot less than the duke and still look like a "proper" bike. But if the duke floats yer boat then why not. Seven grand is too much though.
Adam.

[Peter Henry]

Somewhat agreeing with Rictus in that, the terms "Upside down forks" and "Retro" somehow don't make great bed fellows to my mind. :wink:

[lukemillar]

Slightly off topic, but sort of relevant.

I was at the airport yesterday and there was a frenchman reading a bike magazine. I glance over and there were 2 Ducati's - 1 was an M900 monster, the other was something I had never seen before. It was a fully faired sportsbike and the title was a 49(couldn't read the last number). Looked great, despite my awkward over the shoulder look(and no it wasn't a 748, 749 or anything I have seen before!). Have tried googling this, but with no luck.

Does anyone know if this is A: a new concept bike, B: someones photoshopped wet dream or C: me being retarded due to lack of sleep and delayed flight?

[Vfr400]

To my mind this (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10306521066.jpg&s=x402) is how they should have based the retro 'Paul Smart Ducati' simple elegant and a joy to the eye, and when i win the lottery i'm having one :D