Scare them all!

[socommk23]

i been getting really agitated latly with the increase in crap car drivers!
several times i been dangerously cut up with no appologies!

in fact, the last two thought they were in the write!

one car thought he was in the right to pull out into the road infront of me..seeing me there but still edging out till he made contact with my leg with his bumper!

as you can imajine i wasnt happy.
put bike on side stand..walked over ranting and raving...(blacked out to what i was doing....huge addrenalin rush)..went to put fist through window when i saw a bold bouncer type looking like he **** himself..he pulled away and my fist made contact wid the centre pillar! ouch!

second time was a bloody taxi driver....pulled out...i slammed on anchours...front locked, slipped, i managed to recover and stop less than an inch off his bumper as he carried on as though nothing happened! GRRRRR!
again got round him and fliped him the bird thinking that would be it!

no! he beeped me!!
BEEPED ME!
so...bike stopped....on side stand...lost it all over again!
he then winds up window and almost tries to run me over to get away!
so i stepped aside and let him go!!!!

im scared ill turn into one of these if i get into a car!!!


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im not really all that scary! really not..or violent. but i guess they couldnt see me in my gear!
lol

[Toypop]

I'd agree having just been reading your latest postings that you are getting too wound up!

Sounds like you are too highly strung to be riding a bike - dunno if you have always been like that or just lately?!?

Recommend cooling it a bit before you end up in hospital! I am as guilty as the next man when it comes to getting wound up and responding with aggression and a bit of throttle but that is when you get tunnel vision and up being taken out by a dozy driver or getting nicked!

[socommk23]

ive been quite controlled till recently!
luckily my insuranse has ran out..and not in some money for a while!
i think im just pi££ed off with brushing these incidents off all the time!
they need to know they are crap drivers!
or they will kill some one!
we all heard it before "sorry mate, didnt see you there"

[UlsterSV]

Every time I read one of your posts! I get this picture of some guy shouting! And he's smiling too because he's always exclaiming things! Like this! And it's weird as hell! Not that I'm complaining! It's different! Carry on good sir!

[Peter Henry]

Socomm...This type of knob will always be out there fella.FACT. The world will not change for you,you have to accept that it is this way and really work on your awareness when out on the bike.

Looking for confrontation after the event could lead to all manner of problems mate. Try and chill a little. :wink:

[TC3]

Peter is right....you have to accept that there will always be drivers like that and it is all part of being a biker. If you carry on the way you do one of these days you are gonna meet a driver who might decide to rip you in 2!

Yes y get ****ed at a lot of drivers and have the odd word or hand sign but most of the time i let it go cos they wont learn a thing from a biker raving and ranting

[timwilky]

I don't know how long you have been riding, but from the sounds of things you won't for much longer if you don't learn to control your aggression. Once the red mist descends you are no longer thinking rationally and that is when stupid risks get taken with the inevitable consequences.

Getting aggressive towards cage drivers only reinforces the stereotype prejudice that many cage drivers hold towards bikers. As you gain experience you get a sixth sense and start to ride defensively, continually redefining the potential hazard and risk.

As a guy who returned to biking as a way of calming myself down. I find that it is far better to come home with a smile on your face and relaxed, than to come home climbing the walls and feeling the need to shout about other people.

Should the day come when you start to drive, you will have had the benefit of your time on two wheels and be more bike conscious. Then the boot will be on the other foot. You will see bikers making stupid mistakes and drive away thinking "He was lucky it was me and I was watching out for him".

So best advice. Chill Fella

[wheelnut]

I agree, chill pill

I drive hundreds of thousands of miles in my job, I see poor driving, road rage and stupidity everyday. It is much better just to ease off, let the ***** go an relax a bit.

I do the same on the bike, or go and find some quiet roads to have a mad hour

[Fizzy Fish]

worth being a bit careful with the aggression thing, as you may well meet your match - I know of occasions when a biker has done as little as shaken their head or shown someone the finger and ended up being chased round the streets with some idiot trying to ram them, hit them with a baseball bat, etc.

[Jelster]

Man, you have issues....

Getting off your bike and facing these guys is stupid (I know, I've done it myself!). You don't know who's in the car, they could just drive into you bike etc. You'll come off worse.

Calm down, go get some anger management therapy...

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[jim@55]

yes i agree,chill pill. :wink: i was cut up once (badly )and kicked the guys door ,he chased after the bike and while it was stopped at lights about 2 mile later i see him running between the cars at the lights with a claw hammer in his hand :shock: i had to go through the lights(red,at a busy junction)to get away from him,i was lucky to be looking in the mirrors to see him or else it might not have been the same ending .

[Balky001]

Socomm, you will end up worse off if you keep this up. Getting cut up (not with a knife but a car) is a fact of life. I know one or two blokes that would quite happily knock over a parked bike and put you under it even if you looked at them in the wrong way let alone touch their property. You just don't know who you are dealing with - even the most placid looking guy can be a mental.

[socommk23]

1 i am an experienced rider
2 i have a great awarness of things around me while riding..(hence neither ended in an accident)
3 these were seperate events months apart
4 if we keep brushing these idiots off they will never know they were in the wrong and there fore grow no more awearness to the fact there are bikers on the road who have a rite to be there as much as them
5 they dont care how vunerable we are and are not going to give it another thought till someone points it out to them!
6 im not always shouting.....just habit to put an ! on end of everything!
7 i appreciate what you guys are saying...and yes i need to chill out...and offen do....but these two incidents and the drivers blatent "im in the right" attitude made me see red! i know it will get me in the preverbial sh"$. but i cant say it wont happen again......
ok maybe next time ill try a simple ...stop the car...take helmet off...smile at said driver...tap window...and talk calmly to them as i explain what i think they need to do bout their driving!
8 the whole time i wrote that i was thinking (pull driver out of car...hit a couple of times walk away)
9 i was kidding in 8!

[Toypop]

I wouldnt bother talking to them full stop mate. Just let it go.

You have to remember that these people in cars are not deliberately trying to knock you off even if it looks that way at times.

Granted they couldnt give a monkeys toss about your safety but believe me they do worry about getting the slightest scratch on their cars so 99% of drivers will avoid you at all costs and any near misses tend to be due to a lapse in concentration rather than any malice.

I tend to pick my fights very carefully when the road and traffic conditions suit me. Sometimes I respond and sometimes I just shake my head and let it go.

[socommk23]

I wouldnt bother talking to them full stop mate. Just let it go.

You have to remember that these people in cars are not deliberately trying to knock you off even if it looks that way at times.

Granted they couldnt give a monkeys toss about your safety but believe me they do worry about getting the slightest scratch on their cars so 99% of drivers will avoid you at all costs and any near misses tend to be due to a lapse in concentration rather than any malice.

I tend to pick my fights very carefully when the road and traffic conditions suit me. Sometimes I respond and sometimes I just shake my head and let it go.

thats my point!
you let it go...and they wont realise they done it!
therefore wont look out for it in future!

if you let it go you may as well be as bad as they are for inadvertently encouraging bad, ignorant driving!

least give them the bird!
ffs!

[madmal]

:twisted: calm

:evil: calm

:x relax

:? chill

:( close your eyes

:) calm way on down

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soccom, all been there mate. your a better person if you can show self control in situations like this.

they dont give a f*** if you get knocked off :wink:

[TC3]

I wouldnt bother talking to them full stop mate. Just let it go.

You have to remember that these people in cars are not deliberately trying to knock you off even if it looks that way at times.

Granted they couldnt give a monkeys toss about your safety but believe me they do worry about getting the slightest scratch on their cars so 99% of drivers will avoid you at all costs and any near misses tend to be due to a lapse in concentration rather than any malice.

I tend to pick my fights very carefully when the road and traffic conditions suit me. Sometimes I respond and sometimes I just shake my head and let it go.

thats my point!
you let it go...and they wont realise they done it!
therefore wont look out for it in future!

if you let it go you may as well be as bad as they are for inadvertently encouraging bad, ignorant driving!

least give them the bird!
ffs!

I really do not think that confronting the driver will change their driving habits in the long run. May affect them for a day or 2 while the event is fresh in their mind but it will soon be forgotten and they will be back to there old ways.

[socommk23]

I wouldnt bother talking to them full stop mate. Just let it go.

You have to remember that these people in cars are not deliberately trying to knock you off even if it looks that way at times.

Granted they couldnt give a monkeys toss about your safety but believe me they do worry about getting the slightest scratch on their cars so 99% of drivers will avoid you at all costs and any near misses tend to be due to a lapse in concentration rather than any malice.

I tend to pick my fights very carefully when the road and traffic conditions suit me. Sometimes I respond and sometimes I just shake my head and let it go.

thats my point!
you let it go...and they wont realise they done it!
therefore wont look out for it in future!

if you let it go you may as well be as bad as they are for inadvertently encouraging bad, ignorant driving!

least give them the bird!
ffs!

I really do not think that confronting the driver will change their driving habits in the long run. May affect them for a day or 2 while the event is fresh in their mind but it will soon be forgotten and they will be back to there old ways.

in those couple of days....while its fresh in their minds...they might be aware and that alone might stop them from making the same mistake in that time and could well save someones life!

[tomjones2]

Chilling is the way to go.

Although this did annoy me. A few years back i saw an aqua (portsmouth minicab) driver knock a biker off while turning right without even bothering to look, the driver couldn't be bothered to get out of his car to check if the rider was ok. The rider got walked to the drivers door of the car and asked the driver if he "was going to f**king help him or just sit there" and the driver just sat there with a look of mild contempt.

[socommk23]

Chilling is the way to go.

Although this did annoy me. A few years back i saw an aqua (portsmouth minicab) driver knock a biker off while turning right without even bothering to look, the driver couldn't be bothered to get out of his car to check if the rider was ok. The rider got walked to the drivers door of the car and asked the driver if he "was going to f**king help him or just sit there" and the driver just sat there with a look of mild contempt.

this sort of driver shouldnt be on the road! let alone a profesional driver!

[amarko5]

Chilling is the way to go.

Although this did annoy me. A few years back i saw an aqua (portsmouth minicab) driver knock a biker off while turning right without even bothering to look, the driver couldn't be bothered to get out of his car to check if the rider was ok. The rider got walked to the drivers door of the car and asked the driver if he "was going to f**king help him or just sit there" and the driver just sat there with a look of mild contempt.

this sort of driver shouldnt be on the road! let alone a profesional driver!

possibly had half a dozen you's going up to his window in the past :P :lol: :lol: so is **** scared to come out and help :shock: :wink:

[socommk23]

Chilling is the way to go.

Although this did annoy me. A few years back i saw an aqua (portsmouth minicab) driver knock a biker off while turning right without even bothering to look, the driver couldn't be bothered to get out of his car to check if the rider was ok. The rider got walked to the drivers door of the car and asked the driver if he "was going to f**king help him or just sit there" and the driver just sat there with a look of mild contempt.

this sort of driver shouldnt be on the road! let alone a profesional driver!

possibly had half a dozen you's going up to his window in the past :P :lol: :lol: so is sh*t scared to come out and help :shock: :wink:

possibly had half a dozen you's come up to him cos he such a bad driver and makes a habbit of hitting bikers!

[Jelster]

thats my point!
you let it go...and they wont realise they done it!
therefore wont look out for it in future!

if you let it go you may as well be as bad as they are for inadvertently encouraging bad, ignorant driving!

You are not there to enforce traffic laws, and I would hasten to add, you are probably not the best judge if somebody has done something stupid.

Maybe YOU should think about the way YOU ride and stop putting yourself in this sort of position in the first place. It's a daily occourance in London, it's part of moderd urban biking.

The only way you can make a difference is to adapt your riding to the environment. You say that you're an experienced rider, but you haven't learnt that one yet, obviously....

.

[Spiderman]

Man, you have issues....

Getting off your bike and facing these guys is stupid (I know, I've done it myself!).


I'd say you have the same issues then. :roll:

Calm down, go get some anger management therapy...
.

Did you practice what you're preaching here yourself i wonder?
If so, did it help with your general attitude to these type of drivers?

socommk23 all i'm gonna say about this is... you and i should not go for a ride together some time, cos i'm worried we'd end up digging a hole in the woods somewhere to dispose of the body, while the cage burns in the background :lol:

Where i live there are some of the most arrogant drivers you will ever meet. I once rode over the crest of a hill to be greeted by 2 silver mercs, one on the right side and one in my lane.... but both comming towards me!!!
I slammed on the brakes and the cars both stopped. They were only doing about 10-15mph. When i waved the car in my lane out the way, she had the nerve to beep me, lean out her window and shout "get out the way, were are trying to drive here" and then drive up onto the curb, 2 wheels onto someones front lawn to go around me as tho i was just in their way and carried on driving slowly while they both had windows down so they could shout across to each other as they drove. :shock:
I swear i'm not making it up.
The sad thing is, short of them killing someone by that behaviour the local cops dont give a damn.
I'm very temepted some days to film my entire journey and make an appointment with the local traffic cops, just so they can see for themsleves how bad the drivers are.
Short of that what else can you do to make these crap drivers aware of just how dangerous they are.
The lady that was on the phone when she drove into the back of my bike as we travelled at 10mph, was sent on her way by the cops who attended...who then proceeded to try and give me a lecture about road safety and how i should be more aware of the cars around me :shock:

[Jelster]

Man, you have issues....

Getting off your bike and facing these guys is stupid (I know, I've done it myself!).


I'd say you have the same issues then. :roll:

No, had... That was years ago when I was younger and far less mature

Calm down, go get some anger management therapy...
.

Did you practice what you're preaching here yourself i wonder?
If so, did it help with your general attitude to these type of drivers?

Yes I did and I have learnt to cope with it. *hite happens on the road, we all know that.

The point I am trying to make here is that by adapting your riding style you don't put yourself in a position of possible danger, it's one of the things I picked up on my IAM training which works very well in town.

There will always be plonkers on the road, motorcyclists are very vunerable, so it makes sense to ride in a manner which keeps you out of their way. Observe, anticipate, react, it's not difficult if you have the right attitude....

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[socommk23]

thats my point!
you let it go...and they wont realise they done it!
therefore wont look out for it in future!

if you let it go you may as well be as bad as they are for inadvertently encouraging bad, ignorant driving!

You are not there to enforce traffic laws, and I would hasten to add, you are probably not the best judge if somebody has done something stupid.

Maybe YOU should think about the way YOU ride and stop putting yourself in this sort of position in the first place. It's a daily occourance in London, it's part of moderd urban biking.

The only way you can make a difference is to adapt your riding to the environment. You say that you're an experienced rider, but you haven't learnt that one yet, obviously....

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so your soooo experienced that you never find yourself in that possition! well good for f$%%&ng you!

maybe! just maybe! i was riding within the limits of the law! legal bike, licence, speed and paying attention to every thing around me etc! then, out of the blue some one drives out in front of me from between parked cars at speed!

yet i just see it in time to avoid it!
(both times)

and yet i should be watching how i ride!!!???

i take it your so well trained the sun shines out of your a"£e! and your such a safe rider too that you never find yourself in a dangerous position because of someone else!

whats the chances of you coming back with "i didnt say i was a great rider" or anything of the such!

my point was from the begining that i had a couple of incidents in which i lost my rag!
i admit i need to calm down as some point it will turn bad! at no point was i ever trying to enforce the laws, but voice my opinion to the driver of his/hers driving habits! because imho i think if it always gets brushed off with the calm and control you so obviously have, the driver will be no more aware of what they have done, never become aware of it till it kills someone!

socommk23 all i'm gonna say about this is... you and i should not go for a ride together some time, cos i'm worried we'd end up digging a hole in the woods somewhere to dispose of the body, while the cage burns in the background

such a clever comment!

[Jelster]

See, there you go again, it's like waving a red flag at a bull isn't it....

No, I'm not that good, in fact I came off a few weeks ago and wrote off a brand new SV. If I was that good I would have noticed the diesel on the road in the dark, but it's one of those things that happens to bikes.

All I'm saying is that only you can decide how you ride, and with an attitude and personality like you are displaying on here, you have a very good chance of being a government statistic. Hazard perception is a major part of riding and you should be aware of junctions etc and be prepared to expect the unexpected. In built up areas that sort of thing is going to happen, it's a fact of life

It doesn't matter what or how much I say, you are not interested in reading it, because you have already made your mind up. It's never going to be your fault and everybody has to work around you, because you're riding within the law. Wake up and smell the coffee, life just isn't like that. If you had as much experience as you claim you would know this.

I rest my case...........

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[stewboy]

i think you look quite calm , tammed and fluffy in your pictures :lol:

[Steve_God]

Simple:
Assume no-one can drive and that you're invisible.

If they pull out on you - expect it.

If you get really ****ed off and they start shouting abuse at you when stopped in traffic, do the following:
- Look forward and be carm
- Kick the sidestand down and make sure your visor is down
- Walk over to them slowly and carmly and look dead straight into their eyes
By that point they'll have messed themselves and either:
- Sped through a red traffic light
- Sped off down the hard shoulder if on a motorway

Intimidation is everything !

If not, just fold their wing-mirror back, and walk back to your bike :P
lol

[scooby2102]

Steve, like your style mate

Also, bought a pair of Dainese gloves recently, the one's with the Titanium knuckles, wonder how hard you would need to knock on the window before it goes "whooosh" :P

[DanAbnormal]

Ooh I saw some of those gloves but if I bought some I might regret it. Some drivers are just asking for a ****ting.

Ho hum.

[socommk23]

See, there you go again, it's like waving a red flag at a bull isn't it....

No, I'm not that good, in fact I came off a few weeks ago and wrote off a brand new SV. If I was that good I would have noticed the diesel on the road in the dark, but it's one of those things that happens to bikes.

All I'm saying is that only you can decide how you ride, and with an attitude and personality like you are displaying on here, you have a very good chance of being a government statistic. Hazard perception is a major part of riding and you should be aware of junctions etc and be prepared to expect the unexpected. In built up areas that sort of thing is going to happen, it's a fact of life

It doesn't matter what or how much I say, you are not interested in reading it, because you have already made your mind up. It's never going to be your fault and everybody has to work around you, because you're riding within the law. Wake up and smell the coffee, life just isn't like that. If you had as much experience as you claim you would know this.

I rest my case...........

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i really dont think you are reading what i have got to say!
your just looking at the parts where the insult is directed at you!
i did say i was looking where i was going..and being carefull about it!
its nothing to do with my riding skill, personality or attitude, its that that has saved me time and time again!


so....i will make my point again...
people will still pull out and be unaware of it!
yes i lost my cool a couple of times
but the drivers need to be made aware of what they have done so they can learn from mistakes befor its one that kills someone!


any chance you might understand me now?
there was no need for any personal insults or judging of caracters just to get the point across. (im guilty too i know)

[fizzwheel]

so....i will make my point again...
people will still pull out and be unaware of it!
yes i lost my cool a couple of times
but the drivers need to be made aware of what they have done so they can learn from mistakes befor its one that kills someone!


I understand where you are coming from as I suspect Jelster will do as well.

What you have to remember is that car drivers are surround by metal and four wheels. Now whilst you might choose to re-educate them with an appropriate gesture or removing theig wing mirror or taking a good kick at their car. ( I'm no saint where this is concerned and neither I suspect are the majority of people on this forum. If in doubt you can track down the car driver that nearly knocked Liz off her bike on the M27 on Sunday and ask him what happens when I do get cross with cagers. ) You have to bear in mind that stopping in the road and getting of your bike puts you in a vulnerable position ( body armour, lid etc or not ) i.e. a car driver that you have gestured at and may or may not have provoked a road rage incident may well run you over and kill you. Or move over on you and a little nudge will have you slding along the tarmac. Maybe you will slide and not hit anything. Maybe you'll slide into the path of another car and get squashed that way.

You with respect. Come across as being aggressive in your tone of how you have already posted. I do know what you mean about telling car drivers they have the driving etiquette of a demented small rodent. But at the end of the day thats a job for the boys in blue. So why dont you just let it go, or take their number and report them for driving like a tw*t. Life is to precious to end underneath the wheels of a road ragers car.

Dont retaliate in kind or with anger or agression IMHO you may well come off worse and we've had enough prangs and worse this year already.

[socommk23]

so....i will make my point again...
people will still pull out and be unaware of it!
yes i lost my cool a couple of times
but the drivers need to be made aware of what they have done so they can learn from mistakes befor its one that kills someone!


I understand where you are coming from as I suspect Jelster will do as well.

What you have to remember is that car drivers are surround by metal and four wheels. Now whilst you might choose to re-educate them with an appropriate gesture or removing theig wing mirror or taking a good kick at their car. ( I'm no saint where this is concerned and neither I suspect are the majority of people on this forum. If in doubt you can track down the car driver that nearly knocked Liz off her bike on the M27 on Sunday and ask him what happens when I do get cross with cagers. ) You have to bear in mind that stopping in the road and getting of your bike puts you in a vulnerable position ( body armour, lid etc or not ) i.e. a car driver that you have gestured at and may or may not have provoked a road rage incident may well run you over and kill you. Or move over on you and a little nudge will have you slding along the tarmac. Maybe you will slide and not hit anything. Maybe you'll slide into the path of another car and get squashed that way.

You with respect. Come across as being aggressive in your tone of how you have already posted. I do know what you mean about telling car drivers they have the driving etiquette of a demented small rodent. But at the end of the day thats a job for the boys in blue. So why dont you just let it go, or take their number and report them for driving like a tw*t. Life is to precious to end underneath the wheels of a road ragers car.

Dont retaliate in kind or with anger or agression IMHO you may well come off worse and we've had enough prangs and worse this year already.

and i agree with you!
i just said i lost it a couple of times and appologise for seeming really aggresive.
i can be at times...though its not me in person...if that makes sence?
i have a v strong oppinion on this subject as ive been a victim of this stupidity too many times and it does rattle my cage!
i do appologise for coming across to aggrsivly.
i will as people have said.."take a chill pill".

[Jelster]

i really dont think you are reading what i have got to say!
your just looking at the parts where the insult is directed at you!
i did say i was looking where i was going..and being carefull about it!
its nothing to do with my riding skill, personality or attitude, its that that has saved me time and time again!


so....i will make my point again...
people will still pull out and be unaware of it!
yes i lost my cool a couple of times
but the drivers need to be made aware of what they have done so they can learn from mistakes befor its one that kills someone!


any chance you might understand me now?
there was no need for any personal insults or judging of caracters just to get the point across. (im guilty too i know)

socommk23, I've no intention of being personal towards you, and I apologise if you have taken it so, but as Fizz states above, your tone is very aggresive and you also seem to take an opinion of "I'm in the right so they should be dictated to".

The problem is that in the real world cars out number us over 100:1, and I reckon at least 5% of them don't give a toss about a bloke on a bike, so you have to think for them.

It may not be right, but until this government goes back to "proper" traffic policing and stops relying on their "speed kills" policy that's the way it will stay. It's one of those things that goes with riding a bike, like it or not....

.

[raymond smith]

i think you would need to be a saint not to lose your cool from time to time but i learned a valuble lesson having been charged with criminal damage to a car which had tried to run me off the road after an altercation. fortunately i was found not guilty and he and the police got a bollocking from the magistrate. this guy deliberately targeted me and i reacted instead of leaving it alone. however most of the time it is poor driving and nothing personal. when commuting i,ve found that if i don,t go for every gap and filter, i get home or to work a lot calmer and it only takes a couple of minutes longer. to make yourself feel better try commuting by bicycle which i do several times a week. SCARY!

[kciN]

Socomm, I digress, your bike really looks high at the back...!! :?

(Carry on with original thread, sorry)!

[socommk23]

it is high! i like it like that...bike ass in the air just like me women...ass in the air!
lol
as for the thread....i give up...my opinion seems to have no strenght....even to me now!

[Razor]

I reckon it's damned if you do damned if you don't situation.
You lose your cool and banjo some nonce it'll be assualt, smash his mirror it's crim damage. Just losing your cool can affect your focus and that is where you could take yourself out worse than what some myopic cager could do.
I try to ride cool as a buddist monk with his gonads on ice cubes.

If you believe you're invisible and ride that way, how can they hit you?

[madmal]

waoooh you guys, were a friendly bunch really. now as for the visor down, eye contact, filling of thundercrackers by cager :lol: :lol: :wink: