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The Basket
22-04-06, 04:28 PM
Had a good blast on the SV today. 3000 miles up :drink: not bad for me in 8 months :D Plus a Winter slow down.
Not a thing has gone wrong, not even in bad weather. Even leave it in the shed for weeks and starts first time. Exhaust downpipes look shabby but this is a Suzuki after all :D Two 0mph drops, left and right, the odd scratch and a new front left indicator.
Saw some poor riding which just amazed me. Overtaking on blind bends, crazy overtakes with on coming traffic and stuff like that. I was scared watching so god knows what the rider was thinking :shock: There is a difference between riding like a god and riding like a fool.
Went for a nice long blast too and towards the end i was on a nice bit of road running from Codicote to Hitchin (some on here must know it). So i overtake some car and there is a bike in front of me and has soon as he sees me come up behind him he decides to overtake on a right hand blind bend :shock:
Guy goes way over to other side of road and would have been mince meat if anything was coming and he just managed to get back in before a car hit him.
Oh well....if he wants to up his risk taking thats up to him
tomjones2
22-04-06, 05:17 PM
Plain stupidity isn't it. I have seen cars doing this is well leaving nowhere to go and almost definaley resulting in fatalies because the speeds involoved.
As a matter of interest how many people will go over double white lines when you can see there is space to overtake? On lots of roads they seem to have got very keen to stop overtaking and painted solid lines where there is space for bikes to overtake.
skidmarx
22-04-06, 05:22 PM
What a great day for it. 4 Hours this morning. Overtaken on the M25 by nutter on GSXR. I wasn't exactly hanging about. Traffic heavyish, then slowed, blue lights ahead on hardshoulder...... It was Mr GSXR and plod. I did get followed for about 5 mile by what must have been IAM group, couldn't shake 'em, though they did eventually disappear in a cloud pipe smoke and baffling hand signals.
Met a guy who was riding home........from Croatia!
800 miles now on the clock so it was nice to not clock watch the revs.
I love my SV
Sid Squid
22-04-06, 05:39 PM
...Codicote to Hitchin...
B656, nice road.
...Codicote to Hitchin...
B656, nice road.
I never can remember the name of it. :lol:
So i went up to Royston via the Baldock bypass (picked up a lotta flys on my visor on that road as the flys were going way to fast :wink: ) then i got onto the A10 from Royston and ended up doing a right at a roundabout that was signed Baldock. Do not know the name of that road either but it was a real nice ride back to Baldock with some good bends. Anyone know what the road is called?
Saint Matt
22-04-06, 07:17 PM
Darwinism
amarko5
22-04-06, 07:40 PM
one reason not ot overtake on bends :lol: or even go round them :?
http://upload3.postimage.org/153824/beware.jpg (http://upload3.postimage.org/153824/photo_hosting.html)
and that is at this bend
http://upload3.postimage.org/153847/_MG_9775.jpg (http://upload3.postimage.org/153847/photo_hosting.html)
Be careful out there won't you :wink: :lol:
Oh well....if he wants to up his risk taking thats up to him
True, but its bikers like that which make the general public aka Mr Car Driver think we're all dangerous nutters.
And yes its up to him to take the risk, but what if he caused an accident that took you out? Therein lies the problem - the weekend Riding Gods who only come out with the sun seem to leave their road sense at home and ride without regard for anyone else of the consequences of their actions. :(
tomjones2
22-04-06, 09:28 PM
Oh well....if he wants to up his risk taking thats up to him
True, but its bikers like that which make the general public aka Mr Car Driver think we're all dangerous nutters.
And yes its up to him to take the risk, but what if he caused an accident that took you out? Therein lies the problem - the weekend Riding Gods who only come out with the sun seem to leave their road sense at home and ride without regard for anyone else of the consequences of their actions. :(
Very true, there seems to be a misconception that bikers only hurt themselves in accidents. Been a few accidents when bikes have hit cars broadside to the doors and gone straight through killing the occupents.
The Basket
22-04-06, 10:02 PM
I didn't want to come across as a Nervous Nelly but the riding I witnessed can only be described as **** poor.
...Codicote to Hitchin...
B656, nice road.
I never can remember the name of it. :lol:
So i went up to Royston via the Baldock bypass (picked up a lotta flys on my visor on that road as the flys were going way to fast :wink: ) then i got onto the A10 from Royston and ended up doing a right at a roundabout that was signed Baldock. Do not know the name of that road either but it was a real nice ride back to Baldock with some good bends. Anyone know what the road is called?
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
chris
...Codicote to Hitchin...
B656, nice road.
I never can remember the name of it. :lol:
So i went up to Royston via the Baldock bypass (picked up a lotta flys on my visor on that road as the flys were going way to fast :wink: ) then i got onto the A10 from Royston and ended up doing a right at a roundabout that was signed Baldock. Do not know the name of that road either but it was a real nice ride back to Baldock with some good bends. Anyone know what the road is called?
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
chris
Thanks Chris...it is a good road isn't it....some bike came of the road there last weekend but the cops waved me on so could not see much. If you do not know the road it can be tricky
Oh well....if he wants to up his risk taking thats up to him
True, but its bikers like that which make the general public aka Mr Car Driver think we're all dangerous nutters.
And yes its up to him to take the risk, but what if he caused an accident that took you out? Therein lies the problem - the weekend Riding Gods who only come out with the sun seem to leave their road sense at home and ride without regard for anyone else of the consequences of their actions. :(
Good point. It does only take a handful to ride like idiots and tarnish everyone else with the same brush
Ceri JC
23-04-06, 08:52 AM
As a matter of interest how many people will go over double white lines when you can see there is space to overtake? On lots of roads they seem to have got very keen to stop overtaking and painted solid lines where there is space for bikes to overtake.
All the time, provided; It's safe to do so, I'm not riding with IAM and I'm confident that there is no law about (including in the car I'm overtaking!).
A lot of double white lines don't really logically apply to bikes (even if they do legally). Double white lines are supposed to indicate an overtake isn't on. Bear in mind this is for "your typical road user". Also bear in mind that your typical road user can't see as far down the road as a bike due to the height/position they're in, is about 3-4 times as wide as a bike, 1/3 of the acceleration (if that) and has fairly poor judgement and a false sense of their own invincibility.
There are also plenty of places where double white lines are wholly inappropriate and even average cars could overtake safely. Probably our typically myopic officials thinking that it'll cut accidents, when in reality and the long term, all it does is breed contempt for road markings and make you inclined to ignore them all (including those places where they are neccessary). As someone on here said, "back when I started biking, crossing a double white line meant certain death." now you get them everywhere.
The Basket
23-04-06, 12:38 PM
Poor quality riding on our roads again. Do these people want to live to see another day?
Is it my own risk assessment far too conservative? I overtake when I feel I can make it without putting myself in silly danger. White lines are purely there for car drivers.
Passed A GSXR 750 and a Ducati 916 on chat. The Suzook went weeeee and the Duke went Growl...The Duke was sounded nicer.
White lines are purely there for car drivers.
Actually I know a lot ofl roads where the lines are as applicable to bikes as much as cars.
Had the Pan I was pillion on today been a 4x4 we'd have been wiping off squished biker earlier on today because he thought white lines didnt apply to him on a bend. :evil:
Sid Squid
23-04-06, 06:06 PM
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
Thanks Chris...it is a good road isn't it....some bike came of the road there last weekend but the cops waved me on so could not see much. If you do not know the road it can be tricky.
Blinding road, can be got very wrong though, an area where motorcyclists have been known to chuck themselves at the scenery far too often. I know it well, and I see some real horrors when the sun's shining and the weekenders are out and about.
If you'd like to see it done right follow, (or at least; try to follow), Greg (Jonboy/Admin2), along it, very quick and very neat indeed.
Be careful though.
argatxa
23-04-06, 06:45 PM
About the lines and blind corners.... I really think that in UK the lines are sometimes plainly wrong. You have the "return to your lane" arrows almost at the entrance of the blind bend!!!! or blind hill...
if anybody is going a little fast and follows the lines indications is not going to take too long to became a volvo front sticker...
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
Thanks Chris...it is a good road isn't it....some bike came of the road there last weekend but the cops waved me on so could not see much. If you do not know the road it can be tricky.
Blinding road, can be got very wrong though, an area where motorcyclists have been known to chuck themselves at the scenery far too often. I know it well, and I see some real horrors when the sun's shining and the weekenders are out and about.
If you'd like to see it done right follow, (or at least; try to follow), Greg (Jonboy/Admin2), along it, very quick and very neat indeed.
Be careful though.
Only found that road a couple weeks ago and am pretty cautious on it but slowly learning the bends and getting more confident with each ride along it..... :D
I'm_a_Newbie
23-04-06, 10:02 PM
The simple truth is there are good riders and there are bad riders just as there are good drivers and bad drivers. I for one ride with the intention of having fun but not putting me or any other road user at risk. Sadly bike riders are in a minority and there will always be that element that ride like complete morons. Sadly it will be these that people remember and not those who ride with sense when it is needed.
I can understand why there is so much anti bike feeling. A few weekends ago I was returning home along the A3. It had just opened up into a dual carriagway section and I had just built up speed in my car to about 75 overtaking some slower traffic when about 4 bikes came between me and the cars on the inside. All of these bikes were doing about 90-100 mph. Any of the cars in front of me or even me could have decided to move over to the inside lane after overtaking. If this had happened the biker(s) would not have stood a chance.
With prats like this it's no wonder bikers are seen in a bad light. If you follow MCN and it comes true what they are saying then biking as we know it will be dead in a few years and it's thanks to prats like these that it will be.
I am not saying you can't have fun, just make sure it's in a safe area and at a safe time.
Kind regards
Tim
drumwrecker
23-04-06, 11:07 PM
TC3 said
Only found that road a couple weeks ago and am pretty cautious on it but slowly learning the bends and getting more confident with each ride along it.
If you want to learn how to ride those roads well, go along to the WGC Cricket Club, Ascots Lane by the QE2 hospital on the first Tuesday of the month and join the Herts and Beds IAM. They use those roads all the time and I have just got better with just three observed rides. It'll cost you £85 but includes manuals, membership and tuition, just drop the observer some money for his fuel. It adds another dimension to your riding and its great going on club runs with people you can trust and learn from.
copper kettle
24-04-06, 10:42 AM
Hey drumwrecker
You must be in the same group as me!!
Road from Hitchin to Barton Le Clay is another good one. And the Essenden Rd (B158) Potters Bar to Hertford
Dan
If you follow MCN and it comes true what they are saying then biking as we know it will be dead in a few years
:lol: :lol:
Hell, biking as I used to know it already is dead.
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
Thanks Chris...it is a good road isn't it....some bike came of the road there last weekend but the cops waved me on so could not see much. If you do not know the road it can be tricky.
Blinding road, can be got very wrong though, an area where motorcyclists have been known to chuck themselves at the scenery far too often. I know it well, and I see some real horrors when the sun's shining and the weekenders are out and about.
If you'd like to see it done right follow, (or at least; try to follow), Greg (Jonboy/Admin2), along it, very quick and very neat indeed.
Be careful though.
Only found that road a couple weeks ago and am pretty cautious on it but slowly learning the bends and getting more confident with each ride along it..... :D
Hey TC3! I love that road to! It also seems there's more people who ride it on here to. Perhaps see you up there one day! 8)
drumwrecker
24-04-06, 06:56 PM
Hey drumwrecker
You must be in the same group as me!!
Road from Hitchin to Barton Le Clay is another good one. And the Essenden Rd (B158) Potters Bar to Hertford
Dan
You must be BridgesD, I'm the one who had a spot of bother with a Porsche.
Small world. Might see you at the next meeting.
[quote=tomjones2]
Also bear in mind that your typical road user can't see as far down the road as a bike due to the height/position they're in, is about 3-4 times as wide as a bike, 1/3 of the acceleration (if that) and has fairly poor judgement and a false sense of their own invincibility.
:lol: :lol: nice comments...i tend to agree on the whole although not always!
i do agree about some riders giving us all a bad rep...i dont mind people goning for it, provided its within their ability and it doesnt put other road users out or at risk...that involves crashing on you own and closing the road for ages to get you to hosp[ital or a grave....thats inconsiderate...and stupid
Andy
It's the A507 Buntingford to Baldock Road, Excellent.
Thanks Chris...it is a good road isn't it....some bike came of the road there last weekend but the cops waved me on so could not see much. If you do not know the road it can be tricky.
Blinding road, can be got very wrong though, an area where motorcyclists have been known to chuck themselves at the scenery far too often. I know it well, and I see some real horrors when the sun's shining and the weekenders are out and about.
If you'd like to see it done right follow, (or at least; try to follow), Greg (Jonboy/Admin2), along it, very quick and very neat indeed.
Be careful though.
Only found that road a couple weeks ago and am pretty cautious on it but slowly learning the bends and getting more confident with each ride along it..... :D
Hey TC3! I love that road to! It also seems there's more people who ride it on here to. Perhaps see you up there one day! 8)
Oh you will see me....and no doubt overtake me too :lol:
TC3 said
Only found that road a couple weeks ago and am pretty cautious on it but slowly learning the bends and getting more confident with each ride along it.
If you want to learn how to ride those roads well, go along to the WGC Cricket Club, Ascots Lane by the QE2 hospital on the first Tuesday of the month and join the Herts and Beds IAM. They use those roads all the time and I have just got better with just three observed rides. It'll cost you £85 but includes manuals, membership and tuition, just drop the observer some money for his fuel. It adds another dimension to your riding and its great going on club runs with people you can trust and learn from.
Thanks for the idea and i will give it some serious thought
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