Not been paid - refuse to work!?!?

[Anonymous]

Right, last month the company hit some bad times and they didnt pay the account managers. After a little uprising, they secured some cash and paid them, albeit late.

Now today is payday and surprise surprise.. we havnt been paid. Not only have the account managers not been paid, but nor have ANY of the staff, myself including.

Checked with the bank, and they said that even if it was due to go in monday/tuesday, it would appear on the system today, but it isnt there. Suggesting that it hasnt been keyed into BACS systems.

If they dont key it in by 12 noon today, the earliest we will get paid is next Thursday/Friday.

Now ive got a couple hundred left, but not enuf to last me another week. Especially not with bills and rent being due in the next 4 days.

Just wondering where we stand legally on this. Am i correct in thinking that it is Breach of Contract? We have signed contracts to say they will pay us on the last working day of each month. They have failed to do that twice running (although its only this time that is has in fact affected me).

Advice please?

God i picked a crappy week to quit smoking..... :roll:

[andy]

What a ****er.

Legal - yes they are in breach, but at the moment your biggest concern is getting some cash, not taking them to court.

Refusing to work is not going to help the situation, but I understand why you want to take this route.

You need to assess the situation, if the co is likely to recover and pay soon then sit it out.

If not, then just get another job ASAP, the longer you leave it the worse it will get........

Hope this helps.

PS - if you need a fiver for a pack of fags, give me a shout :-)

[Cloggsy]

Sounds to me like you need to look elsewhere for employment - sounds like they could be in trouble to me...

[tomjones2]

Definatley sound like time to jump ship, like people said not working isn't going to help you get paid but what else can you do.

Horrible catch 22 hope u find a way through it

[Terence]

Sorry to hear about your predicament :(

If they're not paying because they genuinely don't have the money then going on strike isn't going to help them get the money to pay. In my experience, companies generally try very hard to pay wages and it's only as a desperate last resort that salaries aren't paid... which probably means that your company is broke.

:?:
- Do you have a mate in Accounts? Try find out if the BACS run went and if not if/when it might go.
- Does the company have any prospects for good deals coming up to lift it out of the poo? It might be worthwhile toughing it out. Management may remember who was loyal when things pick up again
- How easily could you get sorted with a new job?

If the answers to he above are "No", "No" and "Easily" then it's maybe time to cut your losses.

Hope this helps

Good luck
Terence

[mysteryjimbo]

Do you think we could get funding from the Citizens Advice Bureau for Idle Banter and GYKD? :lol:

[RenamedMonkey]

Have you tried asking someone when you'll be paid?

[timwilky]

Oh dear, I hope things work out for you Joe.

I once worked for an insolvent employer and when you suddenly get statutory minimum instead of a months pay it is not nice. Even worse if you then try to claim benefits they tell you that you have just had a months pay come back in 4 weeks and do not listen to the argument that the money you got was for the past month not the current one etc. At least if weekly paid you are only one week out of pocket when this sort of poo happens.

Over Easter my brother hit reverse problems. He pays his staff on a Friday and does the transactions using telephone banking on a Tuesday evening. They failed to tell him that because of the bank holidays good Friday and Easter Monday that his staff would not get their pay until the following Tuesday.

On the Friday he was told that nobody had been payed. So he personally took what cash he could get on his ATM cards and went round to each person and gave them £300 to tied them over with the understanding he wanted the money come Tuesday.

Guess what 2 couldn't pay, boy did they get a surprise when their pay the following Friday was £300 light.

[Anonymous]

Sorry to hear about your predicament :(

If they're not paying because they genuinely don't have the money then going on strike isn't going to help them get the money to pay. In my experience, companies generally try very hard to pay wages and it's only as a desperate last resort that salaries aren't paid... which probably means that your company is broke.

:?:
- Do you have a mate in Accounts? Try find out if the BACS run went and if not if/when it might go.
- Does the company have any prospects for good deals coming up to lift it out of the poo? It might be worthwhile toughing it out. Management may remember who was loyal when things pick up again
- How easily could you get sorted with a new job?

If the answers to he above are "No", "No" and "Easily" then it's maybe time to cut your losses.

Hope this helps

Good luck
Terence

I beleive payroll is outsourced to a TP payroll company, our FOD (Finance and Operations Director) instructs them as to amounts and they pay it through BACS. So i cant really find out if BACS was keyed or not. But the bank has said that there is nothing in the pipeline for as far as they can see.

We have a few deals working on and they will come to fruition shortly, but thats not really here nor there. I need money. I need it now. I got bills to pay etc.

Yeah i could get another job fairly easily, but its the salary which is the issue. If i wanted to get this salary again (which obviously i do), id have to relocate to Manchester or somewhere, as the wages just arent available in York for my age/experience (i earn 8k above average salary).

So i could get a job fairly easily, but to get a decent one, it would take serious planning.

[RenamedMonkey]

Yeah i could get another job fairly easily, but its the salary which is the issue. If i wanted to get this salary again (which obviously i do), id have to relocate to Manchester or somewhere, as the wages just arent available in York for my age/experience (i earn 8k above average salary).

So i could get a job fairly easily, but to get a decent one, it would take serious planning.

Sounds like your not getting that salary at the moment anyway. No point having a nice salary if it's not coming through to pay the bills. You could end up spending more on overdraft/late payment fees if it gets out of hand.

[RenamedMonkey]

And, a company who doesn't pay their staff and provides no explanation on pay day sounds like a company I wouldn't want to work for. Communication is the key.

[Anonymous]

And, a company who doesn't pay their staff and provides no explanation on pay day sounds like a company I wouldn't want to work for. Communication is the key.

Dont i know it kidda.

We have a serious communication issue here. Its been raised in meetings time and time again.. by myself at least 10 times.

One of the joys with a relatively new company. We've been trading a little over 12 months and 1st years T/O was £4m. Not sure what profits were.

I will get another job easy enuf, its just that im only prepared to drop 2 k max, so that limits it a little - plus i gotta get things sorted for a move and relocate. Manchester here i come... possibly.

:?

[lynw]

If its any consolation Customs had problems with their payroll. Not because they couldnt pay but because the company its outsourced to have had major problems.

Firstly their office was destroyed by the Oil Refinery explosion a few months back requiring a full implementation of the disaster recovery plan. Then they messed up with the pay award so some people only got paid £1. Now theyve got IT problems so cant issue the payslips. :roll:

It may actually be the outsourced company making a balls up here, not yours. Just a consideration.

But going on strike, while it seems unfair to work for no money, as has been said wont actually get the business to keep the company going or ensure they get paid in order to pay the staff if it is a company problem.

It may be a problem in communication between the company and the outsourced company. Maybe there is no explanation being given, though I would have thought a global email explaining that would be in order. At least Customs put stuff up on our intranet when it goes wrong.

[Anonymous]

Well the brown stuff hit the spinning thing a few mins ago.

Everyone converged on the CFO.. phones were going mental, and we now have a promise that money will be in our accounts by close of play today. If its NOT... then they're going to have a mass mutiny on their hands. :twisted:

[Cloggsy]

When I was in the Forces, some smart-ar5e MP had a great idea to cut the national debt...

His idea... "Lets not pay the entire Armed Forces for one month..."

Tw@ :roll:

[mysteryjimbo]

I've been paid today :lol:

[Anonymous]

*middle finger* :lol: :lol: :wink:

[mysteryjimbo]

*middle finger* :lol: :lol: :wink:

*wads of cash*....

"Loadsa money" :lol:

[Anonymous]

*middle finger* :lol: :lol: :wink:

*wads of cash*....

"Loadsa money" :lol:

=; Speak to the hand. :lol:

Mind you ive done quite well this month. Its pay day and ive still got £450 left. 8)

[Gnan]

i've been paid and got £11,586.90 left after all bills, do i win?

one of the fringe benefits of years of saving

[mysteryjimbo]

i've been paid and got £11,586.90 left after all bills, do i win?

one of the fringe benefits of years of saving

I wish i was as old as you! :lol:

I'd be £1000 better off if i didnt have those silly government deductions.

[Gnan]

still you must be thankful to know you're contributing nicely to a couple of missiles for the upcoming iran war - get em to write your name on one :D

[Anonymous]

i've been paid and got £11,586.90 left after all bills, do i win?

one of the fringe benefits of years of saving

I wish i was as old as you! :lol:

I'd be £1000 better off if i didnt have those silly government deductions.

Yup tell me about it.. Id be £850 better off if it werent for those deductions.

Savings??? pah! Whats the point in having 11k in the bank.. when you could get run over tomorrow and not have a chance of spending it!?

You canny take it with you matey! :lol:

[Lou M]

Look at it this way GYKD. At least you've given up smoking. ALL that money you won't have spent! :lol:

I haven't got paid today :cry:

I get paid on the 15th!! :wink:

[Anonymous]

Look at it this way GYKD. At least you've given up smoking. ALL that money you won't have spent! :lol:

I haven't got paid today :cry:

I get paid on the 15th!! :wink:

Im actually gutted as theres a carton of 200 cigs in my drawer at home that i got on the cheap from a mate who came back from Spain. S'pose i could try flog them down the local.

Im not doing so bad with the smoking.. although i must admit that water and chewing gum are getting a little boring now. Need to find something to get through these cravings. :?

[Lou M]

I know that this is very sad, but when I try not to smoke, I do a jigsaw puzzle (summer evenings and ciggys do it for me!) it keeps my hands occupied. Also helps when I'm trying not to eat.

Like I said, it's sad, but works - though you can't do it in the office, or can you if you have an office to yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:

[helen]

If your company has outsourced its payroll, then that outsourced company would have wanted cleared funds days before it was due to pay out the salaries.

So, there's broadly two possibilities;

1) your company hasn't put the payroll people in funds. They would have known that this was the case a good few days ago, and should have given you ample warning. It's shocking that they didn't.

2) the payroll people have messed up or are dragging their feet. At my place of work, the outsourced payroll people have delayed payment in the past - despite having the cleared funds! Needless to say they got short shrift from our FD. They were probably hanging onto the funds to get a bit of tasty interest.

Profit is one thing, and cashflow is another. It's the latter companies need to avoid going under.

[Anonymous]

Dont i know it helen.

Our companies ethics are:

Time
Relationships
Cashflow

Its also the fundamentals of our business model.

Anyway, its all sorted out now.

We got given cheques made payable for cash. Then we had to walk to the companies bank, and change the cheques for cash... and im not happy about carrying that wad of cash through town ill tell ya.

Then i had to walk across the city to my bank. Then i had to stand in queue there and finally paid it in. All in all its taken 90 mins out of my day. Im hot, bothered, and in dire need of a cigarette. Ive just popped open a can of redbull (only thing thats not pure water ive drank all week!)

So money is now in the account, but the question remains... will they pay us again next month, or the month after... time to start looking around me thinks.

There is no explanation given as to why this **** up was caused. :roll:

[Biker Biggles]

Just to add to your problems you now discover that your bank has reported you to the rozzers for depositing a wad of cash into your account.You find yourself accused of money laundering and looking at a stay at HM pleasure. :lol:

[Anonymous]

Just to add to your problems you now discover that your bank has reported you to the rozzers for depositing a wad of cash into your account.You find yourself accused of money laundering and looking at a stay at HM pleasure. :lol:

:lol: :lol: Wouldnt surprise me given my luck as of late.

:lol:

[lynw]

Just to add to your problems you now discover that your bank has reported you to the rozzers for depositing a wad of cash into your account.You find yourself accused of money laundering and looking at a stay at HM pleasure. :lol:

how much do you earn then? :shock: :twisted: :lol:

GYKD, relax. We [Customs] only consider money laundering implications if youre banking £10,000 and over in cash. :D

[Anonymous]

Just to add to your problems you now discover that your bank has reported you to the rozzers for depositing a wad of cash into your account.You find yourself accused of money laundering and looking at a stay at HM pleasure. :lol:

how much do you earn then? :shock: :twisted: :lol:

GYKD, relax. We [Customs] only consider money laundering implications if youre banking £10,000 and over in cash. :D

Quite true. But your transaction appears on the SAR if its over £1000 cash.

[Jelster]

i've been paid and got £11,586.90 left after all bills, do i win?

one of the fringe benefits of years of saving

I wish i was as old as you! :lol:

I'd be £1000 better off if i didnt have those silly government deductions.

Yup tell me about it.. Id be £850 better off if it werent for those deductions.

Savings??? pah! Whats the point in having 11k in the bank.. when you could get run over tomorrow and not have a chance of spending it!?

You canny take it with you matey! :lol:

Guys,

When you're as old, and as experinced in sales as myself, you'd beg the Government to "just" take a grand a month..... My wife earnt less than 50% of my government stoppages last year :cry:

.

[Anonymous]

Aye quite true steve. But your an old man. Im a young lad just starting out on my career. :lol:

Gimme 20 odd years and ill be earning more than you ever will :wink: :P

Mind you.. the deductions what they take are only part of my earnings. Like Lyne knows.. only part of my earnings get declared. The other part.. well..... 8-[

[Biker Biggles]

GYKD---I'm not sure we want to hear about your illicit earnings on the side.It is a U rated site you know. :wink: