View Full Version : BREAKING NEWS - Moussaoui is spared death penalty
Anonymous
03-05-06, 09:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4943196.stm
Moussaoui is spared death penalty
Al-Qaeda plotter Zacarias Moussaoui is to face life in jail, rather than execution, for his role in the 9/11 attacks, a US jury has decided.
The prosecution had called for the death sentence, arguing that "there is no place on this good Earth" for him.
But defence lawyers successfully argued he should face life in prison, rather than martyrdom through execution.
The judge is bound to hand down the jail sentence. Moussaoui is the only man prosecuted in the US over 9/11.
During six weeks of testimony in a Virginia court, prosecutors had argued he withheld information that could have helped prevent them.
Under cross-examination, Moussaoui said he had "no regret, no remorse" and wished it could be 11 September every day.
Moussaoui was arrested on immigration charges at a flight simulator school in Minnesota in August 2001.
Although he was in jail at the time of the attacks, prosecutors say he told lies to allow the plot to continue.
The verdict in favour of life imprisonment from the jury of nine men and three women was not unanimous.
However, jurors rejected the suggestion - put forward Moussaoui's defence - that the death penalty would help fulfil the defendant's visions of martyrdom.
Discuss......
of course there not gonaa execute him. He might let some information slip later in his jail sentance....
timwilky
03-05-06, 09:43 PM
I support the use of the death penalty, but have to agree that in this case it would not be appropriate.
Assuming that this guy is guilty, why should he get his martyrdom. Better he be some guys bitch ever day for the rest of his natural, and die a slow degrading death.
The same applies to the inept fools who tried the second wave of attacks on London
I support the use of the death penalty, but have to agree that in this case it would not be appropriate.
Assuming that this guy is guilty, why should he get his martyrdom. Better he be some guys bitch ever day for the rest of his natural, and die a slow degrading death.
The same applies to the inept fools who tried the second wave of attacks on London
TOTALLY AGREE!!!!
Although,they could put him in a plane and either:
Remotely pilot it,and with him in the cockpit,fly it into a building,
OR
Take off with him,reach a suitable height,say 30,000ft,strap breathing and parachute apparatus to him,and push him out.........When it's time to pull the 'chute,THERE WOULD'NT BE ONE,Or IF he decides to be a martyr,he'll plumet to the earth to his death!
Either way,he would have plenty of time to contemplate his impending death!
You're not much of a sadist are you speedy??!! :wink: :wink:
Sorry but I think they should just shoot the ******* or hang him. :evil:
One less scum bag to pay to sit in a cushy cell and have everything he wants for the rest of his life while we tax payers pay for it.
A life for a life and in this case he gets off lightly seeing as there were over 2000 (and then some!) killed!!
:evil:
:evil: Sorry Babyj,
I'm not a Sadist......Just believe in poetic justice.
And I'm not having good day!
Never mind! :roll:
wanna talk about it... ??
Yeah,I don't mind!
Might make me feel better!
This Thread or another?
One less scum bag to pay to sit in a cushy cell and have everything he wants for the rest of his life while we tax payers pay for it.
Sorry to point this out, but its not your taxes paying for him in jail. Not unless Kent and the UK has become a US state overnight.
:P :D
Speedy/Babyj, if you want to talk thats what the megathread is for rather than derailing other threads.
HTH. :D
Thats why I asked!?!
I thought England was a U.S. State now,only without cheap Petrol!? :roll: :wink:
UlsterSV
04-05-06, 12:07 AM
He should be hung, drawn and quartered. And even that would be too good for the *******.
One less scum bag to pay to sit in a cushy cell and have everything he wants for the rest of his life while we tax payers pay for it.
Sorry to point this out, but its not your taxes paying for him in jail. Not unless Kent and the UK has become a US state overnight.
:P :D
Speedy/Babyj, if you want to talk thats what the megathread is for rather than derailing other threads.
HTH. :D
Want the mods job Lyn? :lol:
One less scum bag to pay to sit in a cushy cell and have everything he wants for the rest of his life while we tax payers pay for it.
Sorry to point this out, but its not your taxes paying for him in jail. Not unless Kent and the UK has become a US state overnight.
:P :D
Speedy/Babyj, if you want to talk thats what the megathread is for rather than derailing other threads.
HTH. :D
I hope your going to pay for my shirt! Mops up coffee....
Dan
Completely disagree, there is no justification for another death. I don't accept the principle of state execution, full stop.
Filipe M.
04-05-06, 08:08 AM
I'll go with Ed and timwilky on this one. First, I'm against the death penalty, and second, death is what he wants to become yet another martyr. Stick him in jail and let him die his natural death.
I too am against the death penalty for anyone
Give him balanced meals, but not varied, and nothing but Disney Channel, no visitors, no mail, and no internet access.
I hope your going to pay for my shirt! Mops up coffee....
Dan
No, but Ill buy you another coffee on Friday :P :lol:
In this case I agree with the jail term..but for the likes of Hindly and Brady, Huntley etc. sorry should've hung em IMO
:? The trouble is,Jail is TOO good for scumbags like this,and the ones over here.
They should be how prisons used to be,i.e. Bread and Water,horrible conditions etc etc,if they were a place to be feared I imagine less crimes would be committed.
And those that get caught and go to prison,would probably be at lesser risk of re-offending.
In cases like this though,he should be put to death IMO,but in a Horrific way,and Broadcast to the countries where these terrorists originate. Like THEY have when they capture innocent people and broadcast Be-headings etc!
RenamedMonkey
04-05-06, 06:37 PM
As long as everyone knows who he is in jail he'll probably be dealt with swiftly or kept in solitary confinement, which is a suitable hell.
:? The trouble is,Jail is TOO good for scumbags like this,and the ones over here.
They should be how prisons used to be,i.e. Bread and Water,horrible conditions etc etc,if they were a place to be feared I imagine less crimes would be committed.
And those that get caught and go to prison,would probably be at lesser risk of re-offending.
In cases like this though,he should be put to death IMO,but in a Horrific way,and Broadcast to the countries where these terrorists originate. Like THEY have when they capture innocent people and broadcast Be-headings etc!
See now normally I agree with the death penalty. But reading that Im wondering what distinction is there between what they have done - showing that beheading on tv and what you are proposing? Or is it just our system is the "right" one so thats ok for us to do it but theyre terrorists when they do it?
[Simplify Politics]
Tbh its American double standards and hypocrisy on foreign affairs that created Al Quaeda.
Had Reagan not trained, armed and funded the Taliban to fight the Russians and then went back on his word and ceased all aid and funding to the people they wouldnt have such a grudge against the USA.
Add on to Americas Israeli sympathies and willingness to criticise Arab atrocities while turning a blind eye to Israels activities in that area, and you get a bunch of ****ed off people.
The palestinians are at the point they have nothing left to sacrifice but their lives. Trying to find a political solution will not be easy, but it has to be done.
A start would be for Israel to stop with their concentration/torture camps and the US administration ignoring it.
[/Simplify Politics]
:wink: :D
Is it just me btw that finds it tragically ironic that the Israelis who suffered so much in concentration camps in the second world war think nothing of putting Palestinians in them. Ok they arent gassing them but they certainly are torturing people, not necessarily guilty of anything if the documentary on this I watched was anything to go by.
Btw, anyone know what happened to Akbhar? Hes usually appearing in these threads by now. :wink: :P :lol:
The Basket
04-05-06, 06:50 PM
Death by state. Prison ain't that nice ya know.
When he meets 300lb Eugene who wants to be more than pen pals...lethal injection...the injection he will be getting will be far worse than lethal.
Biker Biggles
04-05-06, 07:02 PM
Akbar?The Yanks kidnapped him and took him away for some extraordinary rendition. :wink:
BTW quite correct in your poliyical analysis.
As for the death penalty I'm against it on principle but this bloke was hardly a good candidate anyway.An attention seeking nutter who was in prison when the 9/11 took place did'nt fool the jury and eventually won't fool anyone else either.
One less scum bag to pay to sit in a cushy cell and have everything he wants for the rest of his life while we tax payers pay for it.
Sorry to point this out, but its not your taxes paying for him in jail. Not unless Kent and the UK has become a US state overnight.
:P :D
Speedy/Babyj, if you want to talk thats what the megathread is for rather than derailing other threads.
HTH. :D
Does it really matter who's taxes are paying for him to sit in jail, you know the principal is the same I didn't mean our taxes, our country. The point I was making was
He sits a cushy jail being waited on hand and foot.
He watches Sky TV (when he wants)
Has a games room to go to (when he wants)
Has all the mod cons
Has 3 proper cooked meals a day
Has central heating/air conditioning
AND gets PAID for the privelage!
And who foots this bill?? THE TAX PAYER!
I don't neccessarily agree with the death penalty but I think the punishment should fit the crime and in most cases it doesn't. In this case he should be shot. Simple. We should also copy the US and when they say life it should mean LIFE, not just 3 month sentence for time served!! :evil:
As for you Speedy.... anywhere you wanna chat is fine with me hun :D
Does it really matter who's taxes are paying for him to sit in jail, blah blah blah blah blah
Oh look spot the sense of humour failure. :roll:
Stop taking things so literally, I was taking the mick. Kind of indicated with the [pedant] "coding", the :P and the :D.
:? The trouble is,Jail is TOO good for scumbags like this,and the ones over here.
They should be how prisons used to be,i.e. Bread and Water,horrible conditions etc etc,if they were a place to be feared I imagine less crimes would be committed.
And those that get caught and go to prison,would probably be at lesser risk of re-offending.
[quote]In cases like this though,he should be put to death IMO,but in a Horrific way,and Broadcast to the countries where these terrorists originate. Like THEY have when they capture innocent people and broadcast Be-headings etc!
See now normally I agree with the death penalty. But reading that Im wondering what distinction is there between what they have done - showing that beheading on tv and what you are proposing? Or is it just our system is the "right" one so thats ok for us to do it but theyre terrorists when they do it?
Hi lynw!
I was'nt saying that we should cut his head off in public/or on telly,that is barbaric.
But they could brordcast his execution(injection),which I personally think IS HORRIFIC enough,to make it clear that this sort of crime will not go un-punished,and the punishment is just.
I cannot imagine what those poor people on those planes must have been feeling when they were high-jacked,and appoached the World Trade Centre,knowing they were going to die.
I cannot imagine how those peoples families must have felt/feel about losing their loved ones in the buildings and planes that were attacked.
And I cannot forget the pictures of the people,JUMPING from the windows of the damaged Towers,and the final moments before the planes hit.
So I'm sorry if my views are strong,but that day has changed the course of ALL our lives,and not for the better.
The Basket
04-05-06, 08:58 PM
Have you ever been inside a British or American jail?
Not pleasant. I've heard people say this and that but you really, really wouldn't.
Does it really matter who's taxes are paying for him to sit in jail, blah blah blah blah blah
Oh look spot the sense of humour failure. :roll:
Stop taking things so literally, I was taking the mick. Kind of indicated with the [pedant] "coding", the :P and the :D.
I'm sorry :notworthy: but I thought this was a serious debate we were having.
Was the politics *spiel* that you ranted on about not serious conversation?
I don't recall seeing a :D or a :P during those posts.
If you think the talking about 911 (or any other terrorist act) has or is supposed to have a *humourous* theme then please feel free to point out the funny parts.
To The Basket
Nope! But then I'm not a convicted criminal,IMO,If you have something to do with an outrage like that,then you fore-fit all your human-rights,and if you don't get put to death,you get locked away,never to breath 'free-air' again.
Was the politics *spiel* that you ranted on about not serious conversation?
I don't recall seeing a :D or a :P during those posts.
Ok for the simple:
:D or :P = Im taking the mick out of you for having a go about tax payers when your not a tax payer keeping him.
No :D or :P - thats the serious bit.
How fecking hard was that to understand? :roll:
If you think the talking about 911 (or any other terrorist act) has or is supposed to have a *humourous* theme then please feel free to point out the funny parts.
I was actually taking the mick out of what you put and how you phrased it.
If you take that to mean I remotely find anything amusing about 911 then you are really dumb. Get a grip.
I was actually taking the mick out of what you put and how you phrased it.
Humourous? No. Picking? Yes
If you take that to mean I remotely find anything amusing about 911 then you are really dumb. Get a grip.
Then don't tell me to get a feckin sense of humour!
As for you Speedy.... anywhere you wanna chat is fine with me hun :D[/quote]
Awwww! Thanks BabyJ!
PM me whenever you like!!!!!!!!!!
:nomore:
I'm sorry people if this thread is now boring you...
it sure is boring the hell out of me.
Lyn.... lets just agree to disagree... this is going NOWHERE
:rant:
I'm off my soap box now people
:D :D
So am I :D
Thankyou Babyj. Have a virtual handshake. :D
Shakes Lyn's hand :D
Thanx for the PM Speedy :wink:
YOU ARE VERY WELCOME!!!! :wink:
May be now a good time to remind peeps that this bloke was not convicted of direct involvement in 9/11 - he was in jail when it happened. Rather, his lies facilitated the tragedy that unfolded, so in a sense he was a conspirator not a culprit. I dont recall reading that his lies and covering up for others was a direct cause, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
All this blood lust is, frankly, disgusting.
Late to jump on tha band wagon here. Not having one of those terror-vision boxes, combined with severely bad radio reception generally equates with being somewhat behind regarding world events...
However, a nice man on the crackly radio 4 news informs me his fate will be a solitary cell with concrete furniture and a a portable black and white TV..
Seems to me a life sentence in solitary confinement is just........
A life sentence of American television is just inhumane....... Do we feel a hunger stike coming on.....Watch this space!
I for one am glad he is not going to be killed by state sanctioned murder.
I'm not glad for him personally, or condoning his actions or those of whom he associated. What I am glad of however, is that the American people had the courage to rise above a need to salve a Nation's conciounce (sp?) by simply taking a life.
I believe that had they bowed to the rather considerable pressure upon them to do so, they would have set a potentially ugly and easily abused precedent of declaring a man's life forfiet by little more than inaction and association.
I personally have a little more respect in them now than previously.
Hopefully this trend of individually reasoned intelligence over vengence, bloodlust and mob-mentality will continue.
Anonymous
05-05-06, 08:45 AM
I for one am glad he is not going to be killed by state sanctioned murder.
I'm not glad for him personally, or condoning his actions or those of whom he associated. What I am glad of however, is that the American people had the courage to rise above a need to salve a Nation's conciounce (sp?) by simply taking a life.
I believe that had they bowed to the rather considerable pressure upon them to do so, they would have set a potentially ugly and easily abused precedent of declaring a man's life forfiet by little more than inaction and association.
I personally have a little more respect in them now than previously.
Hopefully this trend of individually reasoned intelligence over vengence, bloodlust and mob-mentality will continue.
It tend to agree with you K. The fact that they didnt bow to massive pressure to execute this man, and instead saw sense and spared him his life albeit in return for a life in a small cell, shows that they are indeed capable of making intelligent decisions.
My estimation of the American system and beleifs has gone up somewhat following this.
toddpnewton
06-05-06, 11:08 PM
[quote=K]I for one am glad he is not going to be
It tend to agree with you K. The fact that they didnt bow to massive pressure to execute this man, and instead saw sense and spared him his life albeit in return for a life in a small cell, shows that they are indeed capable of making intelligent decisions.
My estimation of the American system and beleifs has gone up somewhat following this.
Thanks for the vote of confidence! :?
One American's perspective...
There wasn't a HUGE outcry for wackin' him out, just a noisy one. Death sentence was technically justifed IMO (and that of the court BTW) but not deemed appropriate for the particulars of his involvement and the concept of 'punishment', which to him would have been no punishment at all.
He is going to a supermax facility. One room. No human contact, even with guards is very occasional. No sunlight. I believe he gets 30 min to an hour of time alone in an exercise room.
I'm afraid he won' t enjoy it.
A life sentence of American television is just inhumane.......
Wouldnt that qualify as an cruel and unusual punishment which theyre not allowed to do? :wink: :P :lol:
American TV drove me up the wall. 5 mins of the program, then Ads for 5 mins. :evil:
toddpnewton
06-05-06, 11:39 PM
A life sentence of American television is just inhumane.......
Wouldnt that qualify as an cruel and unusual punishment which theyre not allowed to do? :wink: :P :lol:
American TV drove me up the wall. 5 mins of the program, then Ads for 5 mins. :evil:
Most TV sux. If you think ours is bad, you should see the spanish speaking stations (geared towards Mexican) - horrific. I don't really watch TV outside of occasional news and nature/history documentaries- rent DVDs mostly. We have a great company over here called 'Netflix' that sends them by mail.
To be fair, your shows they send over here seem to be a full diaper load as well. They are only on public TV so at least no commercials. The good stuff we used to get from you has faded away.
No reruns of I, Claudius anymore. :(
Tbh its why I dont have a TV. I really only miss the history and discovery channels.
I make up for it by reading books. If you like I, Claudius I can recommend some good reads on Roman History. One subject I have a lot of. :D
Balky001
07-05-06, 10:08 AM
Living in solitary in a cell with no windows for the rest of his life - at 37 - I'd have wanted the death sentence too.
I can't imagine they'd allow him to hunger strike and I doubt the guards will let him have a nice painting set like they did Dr. Hannibal Lecter! You wonder how much information he has that the authroities will find useful in a few years time so he's going to be left to go more insane than he is now alone and in silence. As long as Michael Moore doesn't make a movie of him! :roll:
Saint Matt
07-05-06, 10:47 AM
Joe, do you think you could go a whole day without watching the news/reading a paper?
Peter Henry
07-05-06, 04:21 PM
I believe that this case is a travesty of justice and he should be released in to the community. :wink:
Filipe M.
07-05-06, 10:46 PM
I believe that this case is a travesty of justice and he should be released in to the community. :wink:
Yep, right next to Ground Zero on a busy day! :wink: With pomp and circumstance.
giving this guy the death sentence would have given him the martyardom he would have wanted.
with the solitary confinement/surroundings he is going to be in, this guy is going to rot fast. :reaper:
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