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mac

09-05-06, 08:07 PM

I have just recieved a letter from my friendly neighbourhood taxman informing me that he has no record of me paying tax since April 2004 :shock:

Now i know i have been paying it (kinda hard not to when you are on PAYE) but even so my butt puckered up when i got the letter, i`ve been with the same employer for 3 years so how can this sort of thing happen ?

What do you reckon, should i be panicking ? (every time i deal with the taxman i come off second best - lol)

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Spiderman

09-05-06, 08:08 PM

Lyn will be along any second to explain it all for you. Watch.

El Saxo

09-05-06, 08:11 PM

I would think that if you can show them your P60 forms from the past couple of years you will be fine, they will show exactly how much tax you've paid.

EDIT: just had a word with my mum who's been doing payroll & wages for years...

Your P60 forms will indeed show you how much tax you've paid so hopefully you've kept them... :lol:

Check your NI number is correct on your last payslip, if there's been an error with it this could be why the tax office has written to you.

Write back to the tax office giving them your employer's details - your employer will have records showing how much tax you & they have been paying.

lynw

09-05-06, 08:18 PM

Lyn will be along any second to explain it all for you. Watch.

:lol: You knew I was online helping Ed with his word thread hence you not saying will be along later. :P :lol:

Ok, PAYE. Theoretically, your employer takes deductions and pays them over to the Revenue. However, it isnt unknown for some employers to issue wage slips showing youve "paid" the tax, but they never pay it over to what was the IR and now HMRC.

If that were the case here, the Revenue take a very dim view of that and your employer will be in heaps load more crap than you can imagine. Secondly, and the problem for you, is that you still OWE the tax and have to pay it.

Ok my advice is:

1. Check with your employers. Make sure your details are correct. And ask them if theyve paid the tax over to the Revenue. You may have to ask them for dates/times/reference numbers to prove to the Revenue it has been paid so if you company accounts team are helpful you should be ok. If theyve not paid and are about to be found out, expect hassle.

2. Contact the Revenue ASAP. Dont leave it. Put it in writing. Explain you've paid PAYE. Enclose copies of payslips/P60s supporting this. Provide full details of the company and ask them to check their payments. And then ask them to check their records again. It may be an error on the Revenues part.

Fingers crossed for you its a beaureaucratic error.

El Saxo - just because a bit of paper says you've paid doesnt mean your company actually has paid the revenue. Yes its fraud and as said, if the Revenue get wind of it, the directors will be in the biggest pile of crap going.

Spiderman

09-05-06, 08:28 PM

Lyn will be along any second to explain it all for you. Watch.

:lol: You knew I was online helping Ed with his word thread hence you not saying will be along later. :P :lol:

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:-dd

the_runt69

09-05-06, 11:00 PM

One of the blokes at work got a bill for £1500 for not sending in the last three years tax returns. He told them he hadnt had a tax return before in his life so they sent him the last three years forms to fill in. Funny thing was they had no record of sending him tax returns either. #
After much faffing about it worked out he owed them £1.53 which he sent them and was tol he wont have to fill in a tax return for the next few years.
And we're on PAYE as well.
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Anonymous

09-05-06, 11:13 PM

Lyn will be along any second to explain it all for you. Watch.

:lol: You knew I was online helping Ed with his word thread hence you not saying will be along later. :P :lol:

Ok, PAYE. Theoretically, your employer takes deductions and pays them over to the Revenue. However, it isnt unknown for some employers to issue wage slips showing youve "paid" the tax, but they never pay it over to what was the IR and now HMRC.

If that were the case here, the Revenue take a very dim view of that and your employer will be in heaps load more crap than you can imagine. Secondly, and the problem for you, is that you still OWE the tax and have to pay it.

Ok my advice is:

1. Check with your employers. Make sure your details are correct. And ask them if theyve paid the tax over to the Revenue. You may have to ask them for dates/times/reference numbers to prove to the Revenue it has been paid so if you company accounts team are helpful you should be ok. If theyve not paid and are about to be found out, expect hassle.

2. Contact the RevDont leave it. Put it in writing. Explain you've paid PAYE. Enclose copies of payslips/P60s supporting this. Provide full details of the company and ask them to check their payments. And then ask them to check their records again. It may be an error on the Revenues part.enue ASAP.

Fingers crossed for you its a beaureaucratic error.

El Saxo - just because a bit of paper says you've paid doesnt mean your company actually has paid the revenue. Yes its fraud and as said, if the Revenue get wind of it, the directors will be in the biggest pile of crap going.

ERm.... WTF! I dont keep payslips past 4 months, P60s are kept no longer than 5 months. Reason? A) my parents brought me up that way. B) Fraud. I was qualified in fraud detection and prevention at NU, their advice was dont keep these documents longer than the timescales longer than those above. Ive burned all the rest! :shock:

Screw the tax office.. sue you're employer for stress, anxiety etc - theres money to be made, trust me! 8)

mac

09-05-06, 11:14 PM

Thanx Lynw - you are a star :wink:

Will post off the relevant p60`s and see what happens. [-o<

timwilky

10-05-06, 06:20 AM

I really wish the taxman would look at the cowboy operation my son works for, he has been there for 18 months, never had a payslip,P60.

He was told to get CIS registered which he did and they have never used him under CIS regs. Still he has just announced after last nights bombshell that his pay is to go up from £125/week to £200 but will be paid in a cheque.

What was that on his bed last night whilst having the father son chat. A tax return. errrrr I think someone is in for a nasty moment.

On the point of tax deducted/not paid. My younger brother was hit with this a good few years ago. The first he knew was when he got into work to find customs seals on the doors, we had a friend in the tax office who was ballastic because he was planning a raid and customs got in first.

So my brother goes to sign on and told your not entitled to benifits you have not made any NI contributions for the past 3 years. Shows them his P60s and wage slips to date, sorry you have not made any contributions go away.

lynw

10-05-06, 08:13 AM

ERm.... WTF! I dont keep payslips past 4 months, P60s are kept no longer than 5 months. Reason? A) my parents brought me up that way. B) Fraud. I was qualified in fraud detection and prevention at NU, their advice was dont keep these documents longer than the timescales longer than those above. Ive burned all the rest! :shock:

Screw the tax office.. sue you're employer for stress, anxiety etc - theres money to be made, trust me! 8)

:roll:

I cant wait to hear the rant when the taxman sends you a bill for underpaid tax and because youve destroyed all your documents you wont be able to prove them wrong. Trust me, if you cant prove what you paid the taxman can assess and no tribunal will support an appeal by you because you destroyed your documents.

You should ALWAYS keep your P60s at least. Your employer CANT reissue them and they are the ONLY evidence of the amount of tax you paid that the revenue will accept other than payslips.

Your P60 is an ANNUAL document - you really should keep them for at least 4 - 6 years - because thats how long the Revenue can go back for. Even longer if they suspect more tax loss.

Joe, I keep all my documents. If the Revenue EVER query anything I can prove what Ive paid with payslips and my P60s. And at no point have I ever been subject to fraud with it.

lynw

10-05-06, 08:14 AM

Thanx Lynw - you are a star :wink:

Will post off the relevant p60`s and see what happens. [-o<

COPIES of them. :wink: :lol:

DO NOT send the originals unless they specifically tell you to. Its not unknown for them to get lost. :(

Lou M

10-05-06, 08:21 AM

Oh my God, GYKD. You should keep your P60's FOREVER!

We've just covered payroll at college, and my tutor told me of a bloke she had to help, he'd just retired and was told by the IR that they had no record of his NI number or him existing, so wouldn't pay him any pension. He was able to prove his existance with all of this P60's, going back 30 odd years.

Please, please start keeping your P60's, even if you do feel compelled to throw away your payslips.

Nutty x

timwilky

10-05-06, 08:28 AM

yes, I got every p60 I have ever had, dating back to April 1977. I also keep every notification of coding, tax calc, copies of my returns etc. I have seen enough people put through the wringer that I have no intentions of following them.

sharriso74

10-05-06, 08:30 AM

Filipe M.

10-05-06, 11:04 AM

Damn, I wasn't even born yet. :? 1 more month to go... :lol:

Grinch

10-05-06, 11:30 AM

I've got all my pay slips and P60's for the last 7-8 years I think. Have had to go back to the tax office a few times to get money I'm owed.

Daimo

10-05-06, 11:35 AM

Ok, PAYE. Theoretically, your employer takes deductions and pays them over to the Revenue. However, it isnt unknown for some employers to issue wage slips showing youve "paid" the tax, but they never pay it over to what was the IR and now HMRC.

If that were the case here, the Revenue take a very dim view of that and your employer will be in heaps load more crap than you can imagine. Secondly, and the problem for you, is that you still OWE the tax and have to pay it.

So the employee doing everything legal and being shown that its legal still ends up paying out due to someone elses feckup...

hmmmmmm,

Now i know where all those asylum seekers get their free mobile phones and 4-5* hotels from........ Me and my taxes.....

Englands just great...........

Tara

10-05-06, 11:37 AM

I've kept payslips for the last 4 years and my P60s from every year

lynw

10-05-06, 12:46 PM

So the employee doing everything legal and being shown that its legal still ends up paying out due to someone elses feckup...

hmmmmmm,

Now i know where all those asylum seekers get their free mobile phones and 4-5* hotels from........ Me and my taxes.....

Englands just great...........

1. Record, can I point out it needs changing? :P

2. This situation is incredibly rare, certainly not enough to pay all the assylum seekers phone/hotel bills. :roll:

But dont let any fact get in the way of a rant then. Maybe one day you'll surprise me and actually have a rant based on something remotely approaching a fact rather than biased inaccurate propaganda. :roll:

The reason this situation is incredibly rare is because the amount of crap that descends from the Revenue when we find it. The amount of crap derives precisely from the fact that its a breach of trust, fraud and affects not usually just one person. But it is a possibility. Its more likely to be an admin error with us.

3. End of the day, its not the Revenues fault. Its the COMPANY who acted fraudulently and lied to you and defrauded you. But again, dont concentrate on that when it stops you having a dig at the Revenue. Having a dig when its warranted, fair enough. Having a dig when its not, and you conveniently ignore that, isnt. :roll:

10-05-06, 12:58 PM

I'm one of those who keeps wage slips and P60s. I think I recently binned some that were over ten years old!

It's something I'm taking up with my employer at the moment as I didn't get a wage slip this month.

They are claiming that I don't get one because I didn't get any money this month (not even my SSP) - they apparently miscalculated things and have overpaid me for the past three months and are only not clawing it back.

Which in itself I am not too objectionable to, but the way they're doing it is for me to have no income at all for this month, next month and reduced income the month after that - bearing in mind that for the past two and a half months my only 'income' has been SSP (or should have been if they hadn't cocked it up). :roll:

My argument to them is that I have no record of the calculations involved if I don't receive a payslip detailing the deductions.
I also think they are legally bound to send be one - they are definately contractually bound to as I read right the way through mine to check.

lynw

10-05-06, 01:11 PM

They are claiming that I don't get one because I didn't get any money this month (not even my SSP) - they apparently miscalculated things and have overpaid me for the past three months and are only not clawing it back.

Which in itself I am not too objectionable to, but the way they're doing it is for me to have no income at all for this month, next month and reduced income the month after that - bearing in mind that for the past two and a half months my only 'income' has been SSP (or should have been if they hadn't cocked it up). :roll:

My argument to them is that I have no record of the calculations involved if I don't receive a payslip detailing the deductions.
I also think they are legally bound to send be one - they are definately contractually bound to as I read right the way through mine to check.

I think youre right. I think they are legally bound too - have a nosey round the www.hmrc.gov.uk site. Give the revenue a call too - Im sure they have to notify you of SSP calculations. But certainly theyre in breach of your contract if they dont - and thats worth pointing out to them. :)

Daimo

10-05-06, 01:49 PM

This situation is incredibly rare, certainly not enough to pay all the assylum seekers phone/hotel bills. :roll:

But dont let any fact get in the way of a rant then. Maybe one day you'll surprise me and actually have a rant based on something remotely approaching a fact rather than biased inaccurate propaganda. :roll:

The reason this situation is incredibly rare is because the amount of crap that descends from the Revenue when we find it. The amount of crap derives precisely from the fact that its a breach of trust, fraud and affects not usually just one person. But it is a possibility. Its more likely to be an admin error with us.

3. End of the day, its not the Revenues fault. Its the COMPANY who acted fraudulently and lied to you and defrauded you. But again, dont concentrate on that when it stops you having a dig at the Revenue. Having a dig when its warranted, fair enough. Having a dig when its not, and you conveniently ignore that, isnt. :roll:

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hit a nerve did i.

Im happy with the record playing thanks. If you don't like it, i think the term is tough ****???

Nope, its not the employees fault either. Its the companys, why should the employee suffer.. Bu then we can't have the IR being done out can we...... Isn't that your job to sort out issue like that??? Nope, the employee looses out, its always all about money money money........

Maybe it was off topic, but still all related. My money going to sh1tty causes.... Nope, there were no aslylum seekers sent to a 5* hotels in my area, and given phones. These same people didn't beat up a load of people in my local town. These people haven't created their own gangs etc have they.... Meanwhile, in the UK, we still have how many homless people?

I wouldn't expect you to understand being a IR person yourself....

Now please aim your reply at someone who gives a rats ass women.... Otherwise, zip it.....

"Its more likely to be an admin error with us"

Well that doesn't suprise me either :lol:

Awaits IR persons reply trying to correct any minor mistake i've made........ This should be fun....... :lol: :lol:

DanDare

10-05-06, 02:13 PM

:smt073

lynw

10-05-06, 03:05 PM

Anonymous

10-05-06, 03:08 PM

Daimo, you didnt hit a nerve, that would indicate anything you say carries any weight with me. But clearly youre too dumb to comprehend having a go at the Revenue for something a company and its directors do fraudulently is not a fair dig.

As I said, fair play if its an admin c*ck up on our part then yes thats fair. Any other time its not.

I replied to this thread to help someone, to actually be constructive. How typical of you to be unconstructive and derail the thread into a rant on your agenda.

Frankly, there are times this forum would benefit if YOU just shut up.

Oh bitchy bitchy, lets all play nicely children.

Im with Daimo on this issue though, If the employer ****s up, and the Tax office **** up - why should it then be the tax payer whos already had his deductions taken off, who has to pay the deductions again?

No doubt the employee has about 14 days in which to pay, and then if the employer pays the tax back.. the employee has to wait for a rebate - will the IR refund it in the same time scales???? Will they ****ers.

Daimo

10-05-06, 03:15 PM

I love winding you up darlin.... Tis putting a smile on my face...

So let me guess this right, from what your saying....

If a company doesn't pay the tax, the company gets done over, the employee (obvlious) gets done over, IR still gets their money from the employee, company gets a good ticking off, maybe more.....

BUT

"Having a go at the Revenue for something a company and its directors do . "

So whats the difference between the employee being screwed?

The boss is screwing the employee at a company, meanwhile, the IR Directors are also screwing over the employee, who is also being screwed by his/her company.....

Good setup they have there.... Or am i missing something here lynny baby, Teach me the ways of the force. 8)

I replied to this thread to help someone, to actually be constructive. How typical of you to be unconstructive and derail the thread into a rant on your agenda "

I know, im such a bad person? Im like the Brain, my agenda is to take over the world.

Is it my being un-constructive, or you getting on the wrong side of me at the start, hence me disliking you and winding you up to pass me un-satisfying day?

Or am i just cranking that pulley just that little bit more and reeling you in.. :wink:

your turn... :notworthy: :smt059 Or :smt096

lynw

10-05-06, 03:16 PM

Im with Daimo on this issue though, If the employer f*cks up, and the Tax office f*ck up - why should it then be the tax payer whos already had his deductions taken off, who has to pay the deductions again?

Ok, please explain how this is a tax office **** up?

Its the company thats responsible for making the deductions and paying it over. If they make no declarations to us and we dont know theyre trading, precisely how is it our error?

Really, I understand peoples dislike of paying tax. But blaming something on the IR when its not their fault is out of order. Fairs fair. If it was a fault on the Revenue part then I would agree partly with Daimo but its not.

And I really dont think youre in any position to complain about paying too much tax do you? :wink: :P :lol:

No doubt the employee has about 14 days in which to pay, and then if the employer pays the tax back.. the employee has to wait for a rebate - will the IR refund it in the same time scales???? Will they f*ckers

Ok tactful version. Not correct. :D

Given its fraudulently done, the employees wouldnt be expected to pay it immediately. The Revenue would pursue the company for the money first and foremost so the employees wouldnt have to have further deductions. If that fails THEN it would be collected by amending the employees tax code. :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ Daimo. Its ok, another 2 weeks and I wont be a tax officer any more.

PS the Brain never quite manages it btw... :P :wink:

Daimo

10-05-06, 03:25 PM

So, the employee who is none the wiser, and think his BOSS is doing everything legit, still has to fork out, loosing out whatever happens......

Nice bosses you have there. They make these decisions yeah. Bet if they were taxed wrongly they wouldn't expect to pay it back....

How is it an employee f*ck up if they think they are being taxed properly.

Taxes i don't mind paying, taxes on things like paying other peoples wars etc I do. If they are for things i

Its not like we all get a run down of what our money goes to like in the US...

lynw

10-05-06, 03:29 PM

How is it an employee f*ck up if they think they are being taxed properly.

Its not. But neither is it the Revenues. Its the **** up of the accountants/directors who really should be held accountable, and from whom the money would be expected to be paid.

Taxes i don't mind paying, taxes on things like paying other peoples wars etc I do. If they are for things i

Its not like we all get a run down of what our money goes to like in the US...

Freedom of Information Act. Apparently thats supposed to make government spending accountable. Write to the treasury asking them how all the revenues spent - theyre legally obliged to provide that information these days.

:wink: :lol:

Anonymous

10-05-06, 03:35 PM

Given its fraudulently done, the employees wouldnt be expected to pay it immediately. The Revenue would pursue the company for the money first and foremost so the employees wouldnt have to have further deductions. If that fails THEN it would be collected by amending the employees tax code. :roll:

:

But where does this leave the employee who has in essence already paid this. Surely the IR should chase down and prosecute the Employer not the employee.. after all, first the company screws with him/her, then the IR have a pop too?

Justice in this being where exactly? :?

Daimo

10-05-06, 03:36 PM

How is it an employee f*ck up if they think they are being taxed properly.

Its not. But neither is it the Revenues. Its the f*ck up of the accountants/directors who really should be held accountable, and from whom the money would be expected to be paid.

Taxes i don't mind paying, taxes on things like paying other peoples wars etc I do. If they are for things i

Its not like we all get a run down of what our money goes to like in the US...

Freedom of Information Act. Apparently thats supposed to make government spending accountable. Write to the treasury asking them how all the revenues spent - theyre legally obliged to provide that information these days.

:wink: :lol:

Yes, it SHOULD be the director/accountant, but your saying its not? Why not? Why should the employee suffer because of this? You need to call a meeting with your boss to discuss my issues with the system, as the system is floored...

Yeah, i have to apply for that, in the US, its given as part of your paycheck (As i am understanding).

X goes on this
x goes on that

they get a run-down..

We just get lubed and shafted.. (geryerkneedown, easy tiger!!!!)

lynw

10-05-06, 03:46 PM

Yes, it SHOULD be the director/accountant, but your saying its not? Why not?

erm that is what Im saying. It is the fault of the director/accountant. Thats why the Revenue will go after them first for the non-payment before the employees.

However, yes the employees get shafted if they dont pay because the tax still has to be paid. However, its not 14 days as GYKD suggests above. It would be allocated fairly on the tax code - ie you couldnt expect a large amount to be accounted for in a year. The tribunals have ensured that the repayment is not that detrimental to the employee.

Why should the employee suffer because of this? You need to call a meeting with your boss to discuss my issues with the system, as the system is floored...

So's your spell checker :wink: :P :lol:

As said above, tribunals and appeals have made the system a lot fairer. Trust me on this, you hate this system, you should have been working 20 years ago when anything, even minor errors were nigh on criminal acts. Tbh, the system has a long way to go but its trying to improve.

Yeah, i have to apply for that, in the US, its given as part of your paycheck (As i am understanding).

X goes on this
x goes on that

they get a run-down..

We just get lubed and shafted.. (geryerkneedown, easy tiger!!!!)

Hey, collecting it is my job. Not even I agree entirely on how its spent and that improvements on that side of things definitely need to be made.

Have I just agreed with you? Damn, I need to go home. :wink: :P :D