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A schoolgirl who became pregnant at the age of 11 is set to break the record for being the UK's youngest mother. Now aged 12, she has told a national newspaper how she is "really excited" about the prospect of having a child after losing her virginity to a boy aged 15 in Edinburgh. She is due to give birth in a few weeks, breaking the record set by Jenny Teague of Dorset, who had a baby aged 12 years and nine months in 1997.
The girl, who has not been named, told The Sun: "I think I'll be able to cope as I've had lots of practice looking after my brothers."
She feared that she might be pregnant after having unprotected sex with the boy on a night out with friends in Edinburgh last August.
The pregnancy was confirmed with the help of a supermarket home-testing kit.
Her 34-year-old mother told the newspaper: "I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping her baby."
The mum-to-be, who smokes up to 20 cigarettes a day according to the newspaper, said she hoped the baby would be a boy.
"I'm enjoying being pregnant - even though I get a bit of a sore back and sore ribs," she said.
going to be a mum at 12, has a 20 a day habit.
good.
I just think that awful because, shes still a kid herself! but she'll need to grow up so quickly!!! the world is a mad one!
:cat:
sharriso74
12-05-06, 08:38 AM
Shouldn't the mother of the child be done for child abuse the pregnancy aside letting a 12 year old develop a 20 a day habit.
The Basket
12-05-06, 08:39 AM
Yes but this is all illegal you know.
Plenty of laws against this.
Not that it matters.
cosmiccharlie
12-05-06, 08:39 AM
I feel sorry for the baby,
Just wondering how many kids she'll have by the time she left school,
exactly its illegal for her and the boy to have done that thang and its illegal for her to buy cigarettes anyway, so how has she got access to them!
I feel for the poor kid really do!
The Basket
12-05-06, 08:46 AM
Illegal for a 12 year old to smoke.
Illegal for a 15 year old boy to have sex
Illegal for a 11 year old girl to have sex...isn't this classed as paedophilia?
All she needs now is to hijack an aircraft and her total waste of space to society badge is hers.
I bet she will get benefits and be a drain to the humble taxpayer.
Sounds like a classy kind of gal
I thought they were suppossed to be outside playing in the sun rather than smoking and changing nappies :shock:
But whos to blame the girl. the boy, the girls parents or the teachers at school
OK she pregant can't change that now but the cigarette habit - shouldn't she be getting help for that plus the doctors must have told her its not good for the baby
i mean, bloody hell! when i was 11 girls were yucky (still are tbh), i was more interested in my skateboard and BMX and swapping panini stickers in the playground with my chums!
According to the times on line she got pregnant by the 15 year old during a "drunken binge", JESUS, at eleven i would have had my ears boxed for even trying to sip an alcoholic drink without my parents consent.
drinking smoking and having sex - at 11 wonderful :?
Spiderman
12-05-06, 08:55 AM
I was flicking tv chanells last night and someone said something that sounded sensible to me.
Girls of this age should be made to live with their mums, the mums should lok after the kids while the kid goes to school to finish her education and she should not be allowed to get any kind of social housing. It must become a family responsibility to teach that family a sense of responsibility that they clealry dont already have.
How can you let your 11 yr old smoke 20 a day and have sex :shock:
Either that or as the famous Kenney Evert charachter used to say "Round 'em up, put em in a field. And bomb the bastarrrrrrds!!!" :lol:
And give the baby to a couple who cant afford fertility treatment and desperately want a child to give a lovong home to.
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
Probably doesnt care what she was up to. Probably another teenage mother.
The Basket
12-05-06, 08:58 AM
Booze as well!!!
Well ain't the charges building up.
Kick the door in and put her in irons.
Jail for you my dear....not!!!!Times like this is when I wish Law and Order hadn't vanished.
Shove her on an aeroplane to Afghanistan, with a shooter. She'll be safer there!! :lol:
Godikus
12-05-06, 08:59 AM
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
If she didn't then i think she needs loaded into a plane with 9 terrorists and deported
sharriso74
12-05-06, 09:00 AM
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
If she didn't then i think she needs loaded into a plane with 9 terrorists and deported
Or sterilised so she can't pollute the gene pool
I think whether she knew or not is one thing but she must know about her smoking, drinking and goin out drinking with older boys habits---and we know where that can lead...cos it did!
Spiderman
12-05-06, 09:04 AM
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
Isnt it her responsibility to know? To look after her kids and not just drag them up to make the same mistakes in life that she may have made herself etc?
Parenting needs to be a skill taught in schools in this country, cos cearly a lot of people think being a parent means giving birth and thats it, job done. That baby will know how to bring it self up and teach itself moral and social values.
I remember a friend when i was about 12 or 13 teaching his little bro to say the F word. It was one of the first things this little kid actually said.
And the parents thought it was funny. :roll:
Godikus
12-05-06, 09:04 AM
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
If she didn't then i think she needs loaded into a plane with 9 terrorists and deported
Or sterilised so she can't pollute the gene pool
Or sent to my new penil collony. i'm not sure where to set it up. could be a laugh if i used the isle of man. the TT would be hilarious, instead of strapping pillows to the lamposts we could use murderererers.
I think whether she knew or not is one thing but she must know about her smoking, drinking and goin out drinking with older boys habits---and we know where that can lead...cos it did!
I agree with you she should know but did she? my parents were really strict with me i wasn't allowed out on school nights and had a curfew and even into my twenties my dad used to wait up for me. Have any of you lot never sneaked out the house to be with your mates or lied and said you were at a friends house when you were on a date OK not at 11 but..
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
If she didn't then i think she needs loaded into a plane with 9 terrorists and deported
Or sterilised so she can't pollute the gene pool
Or sent to my new penil collony. i'm not sure where to set it up. could be a laugh if i used the isle of man. the TT would be hilarious, instead of strapping pillows to the lamposts we could use murderererers.
A wee bit harsh...maybe, bloody and violent...def., reducing the number of chavs...priceless *ahem*
Shove her on an aeroplane to Afghanistan, with a shooter. She'll be safer there!! :lol:
Oh, I forgot to say she can take Jade with her whilst she's at it!! :smt045
How the fook can the lil trollop afford a 20 a day habit? i cant :cry:
Godikus
12-05-06, 09:14 AM
How the fook can the lil trollop afford a 20 a day habit? i cant :cry:
maybe she charged the 15yr old
SpankyHam
12-05-06, 09:24 AM
How the fook can the lil trollop afford a 20 a day habit? i cant :cry:
say £5 a pack.
That makes it £150 a month :shock:
I wish I had that much pocket money when I was 11.
Nice to see Social Services doing there job :shock:
SVeeedy Gonzales
12-05-06, 09:31 AM
yeah but did the girls mum know what she was up to
She was off her face on crack cocaine at the time. So that's a no.
Ceri JC
12-05-06, 09:32 AM
I was flicking tv chanells last night and someone said something that sounded sensible to me.
Girls of this age should be made to live with their mums, the mums should lok after the kids while the kid goes to school to finish her education and she should not be allowed to get any kind of social housing. It must become a family responsibility to teach that family a sense of responsibility that they clealry dont already have.
Sounds like the most sensible solution to me.
Cloggsy
12-05-06, 09:40 AM
:rant:
IMHO, This is this sort of poor parenting skills which is giving us all the problems we are having in society today as a whole...
Yob culture, lack of respect for anything/anyone, juvenile car crime, theft... etc etc
All of these things were quite prevelent in Hull when I was growing up, but did I decide to 'go down that path' :?:
No :!:
Why :?:
Because I know I'd have gotten my **** well & truly kicked if I did...
These days kids seem to be getting patted on the back by certain parents for doing stupid things, not chastised... Let alone being 'smacked' (can I say that work or will I get dragged off to court for uttering such filth :roll:)
The only people who can do something about this kind of behaviour is society are the people who live in it - US!
Spiderman
12-05-06, 09:44 AM
I was flicking tv chanells last night and someone said something that sounded sensible to me.
Girls of this age should be made to live with their mums, the mums should lok after the kids while the kid goes to school to finish her education and she should not be allowed to get any kind of social housing. It must become a family responsibility to teach that family a sense of responsibility that they clealry dont already have.
Sounds like the most sensible solution to me.
I thought so too, it made a change from everyone just criticising without actualy comming up with a sensible real world solution that doesnt make her a drain on the taxpayers and so hated by them too.
These days kids seem to be getting patted on the back by certain parents for doing stupid things, not chastised... Let alone being 'smacked' (can I say that work or will I get dragged off to court for uttering such filth )
The only people who can do something about this kind of behaviour is society are the people who live in it - US!
:stupid: nice one! lols if a little preachy but I'll let u off cos I agree :D
If the stories are true - The mum should to be locked up for child abuse! Or just being an irresponible parent... But if they play their cards right they will probably make a lot of money through selling their story to the tabloids - need to ask Jade for some advice on that one - but they may then save us some tax dollars!
Peter Henry
12-05-06, 09:46 AM
I cannot understand why anyone on here would look to point blame at either social services or the school ffs! Social Services can only act when notified that something requires looking at. Schools are there to educate children.
Some people are just too quick to blame the authorities when they should know that the cause of the problem is right in the home. Forget this blame culture attitude it is ridiculous. People should take on responsibity themselves. Otherwise you have more crying about the "Nanny state"!
This whole situation is indicative of both the breakdown of good parenting and a careless attitude that unfortunately seems to be so much a part of the youth of today. :?
Saint Matt
12-05-06, 09:47 AM
I can honestly say, its none of my business, it doesn't affect me, so I do not care.
Cloggsy
12-05-06, 09:48 AM
Some people are just too quick to blame the authorities when they should know that the cause of the problem is right in the home. Forget this blame culture attitude it is ridiculous. People should take on responsibity themselves. Otherwise you have more crying about the "Nanny state"!
This whole situation is indicative of both the breakdown of good parenting and a careless attitude that unfortunately seems to be so much a part of the youth of today. :?
Indeed Pete, look at the source of the problem, not pin the blame elsewhere =D> =D> =D> =D>
Ceri JC
12-05-06, 09:52 AM
I can honestly say, its none of my business, it doesn't affect me, so I do not care.
If you pay tax it effects you.
I can honestly say, its none of my business, it doesn't affect me, so I do not care.
ah, ostrich syndrome! if we all thought that way....
but fair do's to you for saying so
"I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping her baby."
Roughly translated from chav, I believe this means "I'm proud that my daughter for realising she can sponge off the tax payers at such an early age, took me a lot longer to realise I didn't have to work for a living"
Absolutely 'kin rediculous. 11 for Christ's sake??? No qualifications, no prospects, this baby has got the odds stacked against it. Idiocy breeds idiocy by the looks of things, perhaps this new baby (if it's a girl) will break the record again for the youngest mother?
Child: Mum, Why are your hands so soft, is it becuse you use Fariy Liquid
Mum: No, it because im 12!
Its shocking. She should be made to have an abortion. The mum should be banged up for the drinking and smoking, the dad should be banged up for child abuse. But of course this will not happen, and as said, she will be on benefits for the next 18 years.
Next you'll be telling me that we're gonna let hijackers stay in the country!
Ok, who else on here has a daughter around the same age? Mine is 13, and this happening scares the hell out of me. I have told her that if ever she comes home pregnant she's out of the house, I don't want babies around me - and I hope saying this would make her think twice.
I believe I know where she always is, and what she does, but if she tells me she's meeting her friends in town on Saturday, I have to give her that trust. We do occasionally go into town just to check she's ok.
Ok, who else on here has a daughter around the same age? Mine is 13, and this happening scares the hell out of me. I have told her that if ever she comes home pregnant she's out of the house, I don't want babies around me - and I hope saying this would make her think twice.
I believe I know where she always is, and what she does, but if she tells me she's meeting her friends in town on Saturday, I have to give her that trust. We do occasionally go into town just to check she's ok.
Thats a bit selfish isnt it when she 24 ;)
Joking by the way
Filipe M.
12-05-06, 10:40 AM
Ok, who else on here has a daughter around the same age? Mine is 13, and this happening scares the hell out of me. I have told her that if ever she comes home pregnant she's out of the house, I don't want babies around me - and I hope saying this would make her think twice.
I don't mean to tell you how to raise your children, but please think twice before saying something like that. :? You're the only one she can trust her problems to, and she might be hearing you say something like "I don't want to know about your problems, keep them out of the house". Your intention is quite good, but you might just be making it worse. :(
I believe I know where she always is, and what she does, but if she tells me she's meeting her friends in town on Saturday, I have to give her that trust. We do occasionally go into town just to check she's ok.
Thumbs up for doing this. You can't nanny them forever, but you can and should make sure they're ok.
Just my two cents, feel free to ignore me. Really.
Your comments are fully appreciated. She's a very trustworthy girl, but there is always that doubt at the back of my mind.
It's good that she'd rather come sailing with me than go out with her mates, but I've been concerned recently as her auntie at 19 has just had a baby, her and the boyfriend don't work, and she's stayed at home with her mum. My daughter has put her on a pedestal and can't see what's wrong.
perhaps she's still too young to understand?
Filipe M.
12-05-06, 02:38 PM
Your comments are fully appreciated. She's a very trustworthy girl, but there is always that doubt at the back of my mind.
It's good that she'd rather come sailing with me than go out with her mates, but I've been concerned recently as her auntie at 19 has just had a baby, her and the boyfriend don't work, and she's stayed at home with her mum. My daughter has put her on a pedestal and can't see what's wrong.
perhaps she's still too young to understand?
She most definetely is too young, she might even be looking at her baby cousin as a "live doll", and her age might not allow her to see the complete picture. I'd try to make sure she keeps up with reality, but don't try to knock her auntie down as it will have the opposite effect and you'll find yourself as the mean one when your daughter steps up to defend her. Just show her the facts (essentially the cons, as all she can see now are the pros), and resist the temptation to pour your judgement down on her as it will just make things worse. Again, just my 2 cents (euro ones, which I believe are worth even less than 2p).
northwind
12-05-06, 02:50 PM
The gil' said (and I paraphrase here, but bear with me) "Obviously it's not good that I'm pregnant at my age- but on the plus side, I'm having a baby!" and also "I wish I'd not had sex with him, but if I hadn't, I wouldn't have my baby". Marvellous.
I've been doing some maths... She's going to knock out a sprog a year for the next 40 years. After 10 years, those sprongs are going to start sprogs of their own. By the time I have kids, there'll be no space for them. This one girl could be the solution for britain's population deficit.
I reckon this is part of the problem... The UK's barely growing, .28% a year. But the bottom 20% of earners produce something like 40% of the kids, and the top 20% produce 2%. (or something like that, I don't remember exactly). Don't misunderstand, I'm not equating wages to intelligence or moral value, but poverty's a vicious circle.
I blame the cafflics.
northwind
12-05-06, 02:51 PM
PS, I don't want to go to Godikus's penile colony ;)
Its shocking. She should be made to have an abortion.
erm I'm sorry viney but I definitely don't agree with that! never will.
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:01 PM
more of our tax money on worthless gits! who have no intentions of contributing to society but to just suck the system dry!
cos they are allowd to !!!!
forced abortion or baby should be up for adoption! bet they are living in a council estate and already living off the state!
these people should not be able to breed till they are willing to contribute and work for their money!
:twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
gets my goat!
more of our tax money on worthless gits! who have no intentions of contributing to society but to just suck the system dry!
cos they are allowd to !!!!
forced abortion or baby should be up for adoption! bet they are living in a council estate and already living off the state!
these people should not be able to breed till they are willing to contribute and work for their money!
:twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
gets my goat!
why punish the baby? any idea how much a forced abotion would cost anyway and adoption for that matter???
Godikus
12-05-06, 03:09 PM
PS, I don't want to go to Godikus's penile colony ;)
Why? whats wrong with it :cry: does it smell? :cry:
i'll let you off for now, 'cause i like yer bike :wink:
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:14 PM
more of our tax money on worthless gits! who have no intentions of contributing to society but to just suck the system dry!
cos they are allowd to !!!!
forced abortion or baby should be up for adoption! bet they are living in a council estate and already living off the state!
these people should not be able to breed till they are willing to contribute and work for their money!
:twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
gets my goat!
why punish the baby?
ok...abortion is harsh! but from birth the child will be looked after properly with better morals and higher standing in life if he/she is adopted by a deserving individual or couple who can look after themselves and contribute to the system for the better of this country and the child in question.
imho i believe this country is on its way down..these people being a good contribution to this...as more and more people can claim money from the system for being unemployable due to drug use and/or baby situations such as this. they then claim a house...allowance for food cloths bills etc...
something should be done to stop the ever growing population of non contributers to society!
following up on laws of underage sex is a very good start! then maybe a laws anabling the removal of the said child from the parents if they are unable to look after them properly or have no intentions of trying to find a job to support themselves.
maybe a law to introduce a licence to have a child!
population control in the extreem...but im just going on now so ill shut up!
whilst I can certainly see some of your points I dont think that adoption is relly the answer, yes there are alot of deserving parents out there but who are we really to stand here and say that she doesnt deserve to be the mum? such rules would only lead to unregistered, births, deaths and alot of resentment for the government who force seperation from a birth parent!!!
my 2pennys worth
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:25 PM
whilst I can certainly see some of your points I dont think that adoption is relly the answer, yes there are alot of deserving parents out there but who are we really to stand here and say that she doesnt deserve to be the mum? such rules would only lead to unregistered, births, deaths and alot of resentment for the government who force seperation from a birth parent!!!
my 2pennys worth
give us your two pennies on what you think should be done about the increase in underage pregnancys and therefore the increase in our taxes simply cos we decide to work and they dont!
what would honestly happen if everyone stopped working and claimed benifits from a country of non contributers!!!!
its heading that way! i know of people who have a better state of living than me, i work a 37 hour week minimum and had to work hard for it for years to get where i am.these others get more money a month than i do and dont work and go to america twice a year have a 3 bedroomed house, a car and im lucky if i can afford a tank of fuel food and cloths in a rented 2 bedroomed house.
She most definetely is too young, she might even be looking at her baby cousin as a "live doll", and her age might not allow her to see the complete picture. I'd try to make sure she keeps up with reality, but don't try to knock her auntie down as it will have the opposite effect and you'll find yourself as the mean one when your daughter steps up to defend her. Just show her the facts (essentially the cons, as all she can see now are the pros), and resist the temptation to pour your judgement down on her as it will just make things worse. Again, just my 2 cents (euro ones, which I believe are worth even less than 2p).
No, I take on board all you say, it is difficult trying to get the balance right, and I don't want her to feel she can't confide in me.
I think that parents should be fined as in of underage pregnant teenagers and the boys who do it, benefits should be based on the price of bread and taxes should be taken off benefits and given back to those who work.....maybe ppl would think twice about breeding if they really couldnt afford to!
just one thought,,
I'm not the government all I'm sayin is that I dont think its very black and white!
whilst I can certainly see some of your points I dont think that adoption is relly the answer, yes there are alot of deserving parents out there but who are we really to stand here and say that she doesnt deserve to be the mum? such rules would only lead to unregistered, births, deaths and alot of resentment for the government who force seperation from a birth parent!!!
my 2pennys worth
Becuase
Shes 12 FFS. The girl can just about read an write, let alone have the huge responsibilty of bringing up a child. She knows the value of nothing, and to be honest, isnt exactly a role model for a child. Its plain wrong. Would you have liked to have a kid at 11? Do you really think that you, at 11/12 where ready to have the responsibilty of having a dependent child?
no but clearly she does, in shakespeares day that was a normal time to be doing that, so its definitely a societal thing, she is a victim of our society and her family but dont punish the baby, thats what I wanna say it isnt the baby's fault
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:33 PM
I think that parents should be fined as in of underage pregnant teenagers and the boys who do it, benefits should be based on the price of bread and taxes should be taken off benefits and given back to those who work.....maybe ppl would think twice about breeding if they really couldnt afford to!
just one thought,,
I'm not the government all I'm sayin is that I dont think its very black and white!
cool beans.
but how can parents afford fines...if lets say these are the people sucking the system dry in the first place!
lol
your right..its not black and white.....but something needs to be done
:twisted:
I think that parents should be fined as in of underage pregnant teenagers and the boys who do it, benefits should be based on the price of bread and taxes should be taken off benefits and given back to those who work.....maybe ppl would think twice about breeding if they really couldnt afford to!
just one thought,,
I'm not the government all I'm sayin is that I dont think its very black and white!
cool beans.
but how can parents afford fines...if lets say these are the people sucking the system dry in the first place!
lol
your right..its not black and white.....but something needs to be done
:twisted:
I will definitely agree with u there!
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:35 PM
I think that parents should be fined as in of underage pregnant teenagers and the boys who do it, benefits should be based on the price of bread and taxes should be taken off benefits and given back to those who work.....maybe ppl would think twice about breeding if they really couldnt afford to!
just one thought,,
I'm not the government all I'm sayin is that I dont think its very black and white!
cool beans.
but how can parents afford fines...if lets say these are the people sucking the system dry in the first place!
lol
your right..its not black and white.....but something needs to be done
:twisted:
I will definitely agree with u there!
good
RenamedMonkey
12-05-06, 03:35 PM
Illegal for a 12 year old to smoke.
Illegal for a 15 year old boy to have sex
Illegal for a 11 year old girl to have sex...isn't this classed as paedophilia?
All she needs now is to hijack an aircraft and her total waste of space to society badge is hers.
I bet she will get benefits and be a drain to the humble taxpayer.
I like you.
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:36 PM
Illegal for a 12 year old to smoke.
Illegal for a 15 year old boy to have sex
Illegal for a 11 year old girl to have sex...isn't this classed as paedophilia?
All she needs now is to hijack an aircraft and her total waste of space to society badge is hers.
I bet she will get benefits and be a drain to the humble taxpayer.
I like you.
read above!
lol
no but clearly she does, in shakespeares day that was a normal time to be doing that, so its definitely a societal thing, she is a victim of our society and her family but dont punish the baby, thats what I wanna say it isnt the baby's fault
Er what baby? Its a cell, with no feelings/thoughts. Sorry
no but clearly she does, in shakespeares day that was a normal time to be doing that, so its definitely a societal thing, she is a victim of our society and her family but dont punish the baby, thats what I wanna say it isnt the baby's fault
Er what baby? Its a cell, with no feelings/thoughts. Sorry
sorry but, science hasnt proved out like that yet and unless u are in fact God or can regress urself to that age, then dont make out u know that stuff.
Apologies but I'm a strong believer in attemting to avoid abortion, I understand the adoption route but the destroying of a life evn only a potential one is definitely messin with nature and is still murder unless it really is the only option that fits.
sorry :rant:
Godikus
12-05-06, 03:42 PM
i doubt it would mind much
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:43 PM
no but clearly she does, in shakespeares day that was a normal time to be doing that, so its definitely a societal thing, she is a victim of our society and her family but dont punish the baby, thats what I wanna say it isnt the baby's fault
Er what baby? Its a cell, with no feelings/thoughts. Sorry
sorry but, science hasnt proved out like that yet and unless u are in fact God or can regress urself to that age, then dont make out u know that stuff.
Apologies but I'm a strong believer in attemting to avoid abortion, I understand the adoption route but the destroying of a life evn only a potential one is definitely messin with nature and is still murder unless it really is the only option that fits.
sorry :rant:
ok but when is potential life potential?
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
personally I wouldnt say atleast until conception and as I'm not catholic, I would still say that certain stuations warrant abortion. But anyway maybe you should ask catholics about that, I'm still learning what I believe and what I think every day.
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:51 PM
personally I wouldnt say atleast until conception and as I'm not catholic, I would still say that certain stuations warrant abortion. But anyway maybe you should ask catholics about that, I'm still learning what I believe and what I think every day.
every day is a school day!
personally I wouldnt say atleast until conception and as I'm not catholic, I would still say that certain stuations warrant abortion. But anyway maybe you should ask catholics about that, I'm still learning what I believe and what I think every day.
every day is a school day!
Amen
Godikus
12-05-06, 03:53 PM
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
socommk23
12-05-06, 03:54 PM
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
waste not...want not!!
whatever thats sposed to mean! :D
The old battle of ethics vs the law seems to have raised it's head. Fair enough it's not entirely ethical to enforce the suggested mandatory abortion for underaged retarded slappers that become pregnant, but how is it ethical for the 12 year old to be allowed to give birth?
RenamedMonkey
12-05-06, 04:08 PM
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
waste not...want not!!
whatever thats sposed to mean! :D
What are we talking about again?
Godikus
12-05-06, 04:10 PM
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
waste not...want not!!
whatever thats sposed to mean! :D
What are we talking about again?
in this case you really don't want to know
RenamedMonkey
12-05-06, 04:11 PM
in this case you really don't want to know
I can live with ignorance.
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
waste not...want not!!
whatever thats sposed to mean! :D
What are we talking about again?
erm the bible dunt sy that, just christians who read it differently to me thats all.!!! actually can we try and stay away from the whole religiony bibley stuff pretty please :D
Godikus
12-05-06, 04:15 PM
swallowing could be classed as mass genocide surly! sorry if im being too crass!
although going by the bible it's ok... aslong as none of it is spilled
waste not...want not!!
whatever thats sposed to mean! :D
What are we talking about again?
erm the bible dunt sy that, just christians who read it differently to me thats all.!!! actually can we try and stay away from the whole religiony bibley stuff pretty please :D
i forget the exact wording but if you read it word for word, aslong as it doesn't touch the gound yer fine :wink:
and thats me off religion
RenamedMonkey
12-05-06, 04:16 PM
can we try and stay away from the whole religiony bibley stuff pretty please :D
We'll only end up discussing immigration again.
diamond
12-05-06, 04:17 PM
I have to agree with viney on this one, there is no way she should be having that baby, it's probably gonna be a retard anyway if she's been smoking 20 a day. Bit late now tho it's due in a few weeks, poor kid doesn't stand a chance in life.
teenage boy has been charged with rape after it emerged a 12-year-old girl is set to become Britain's youngest mum.
The 15-year-old is scheduled to appear again on July 10 at Edinburgh sheriff court having already made a previous appearance, police said.
The youngster, who comes from West Lothian in Scotland, fell pregnant when she was just 11 and is due to give birth next month.
She will break the record set by Jenny Teague of Dorset, who had a baby aged 12 years and nine months in 1997.
The girl told a newspaper she was "really excited" about the prospect of becoming a mother.
"I think I'll be able to cope as I've had lots of practice looking after my brothers," she said in an interview with the paper.
"I'm enjoying being pregnant - even though I get a bit of a sore back and sore ribs."
She feared that she might be pregnant after having unprotected sex with a 15-year-old boy on a night out with friends in Edinburgh last August.
The pregnancy was confirmed with the help of a supermarket home-testing kit.
Her 34-year-old mother told the newspaper: "I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping her baby."
A spokesman for West Lothian Council said: "We are aware of the situation. We are providing support through our social policy and education teams.
"We are working with the family to support the young person to ensure that the child gets the best possible start."
I have to agree with viney on this one, there is no way she should be having that baby, it's probably gonna be a retard anyway if she's been smoking 20 a day. Bit late now tho it's due in a few weeks, poor kid doesn't stand a chance in life.
hmmm... i say, don't write the baby off just yet. There are plenty of people who have been brought up in bad situations and made something of themselves.
I hope that social services play their part now and keep the child safe. IMHO abortion should never be imposed on anyone and it is up to social services whether the baby stays with its mum or not now anyway.
It is upsetting that we seem to have to pay for a social underclass that don't work and are quite happy sponging of everybody else.
and while i'm droaning on, if most christian churches cannot argee on when life starts I don't think we are gonna change the world on a bike forum with the answer!! although I must stick up for the scientists on the forum and say that 2 cells joined together does not make a life (imo).
UlsterSV
12-05-06, 04:37 PM
I know that if that wee fella lived over here he'd be hoping for jail. Because if he didn't get locked up quick smart it wouldn't be long before he'd have some difficulty walking.
timwilky
12-05-06, 04:38 PM
Firstly no one is to blame apart from the kids themselves, they know what they were doing was wrong. They also are aware of contraception. Whether they have sufficient access is a different matter.
Society should accept that children do have sex, there is no point moralising and preaching abstinence. We should tell our children to wait until they are sure it is right for them, and then ensure that they are not embarrassed from asking for contraception.
I am sure a large number of contributers to this forum lost their virginity below the legal age of consent, myself included. There for the grace of god go many of us.
I think most lads assume contraception is a girls responsibility and a willingness to have intercourse as an indication that the girl is happy with her contraception. A case of little head rules big head.
Therefore, family planning should be totally anonymous if required. Yes whilst there they can be advised about the dangers of STDs. Ensure that a girl is not under pressure to engage in sexual activity etc. But at the end of the day we need to give our kids the support to make the right decisions for themselves.
I have to agree with viney on this one, there is no way she should be having that baby, it's probably gonna be a retard anyway if she's been smoking 20 a day. Bit late now tho it's due in a few weeks, poor kid doesn't stand a chance in life.
hmmm... i say, don't write the baby off just yet. There are plenty of people who have been brought up in bad situations and made something of themselves.
I hope that social services play their part now and keep the child safe. IMHO abortion should never be imposed on anyone and it is up to social services whether the baby stays with its mum or not now anyway.
It is upsetting that we seem to have to pay for a social underclass that don't work and are quite happy sponging of everybody else.
and while i'm droaning on, if most christian churches cannot argee on when life starts I don't think we are gonna change the world on a bike forum with the answer!! although I must stick up for the scientists on the forum and say that 2 cells joined together does not make a life (imo).
Ok I can agree with much of what you've said.
Gazza77
12-05-06, 04:51 PM
Sex with a minor is illegal, therefore he has been charged, quite rightly. However, when they are both minors in this case, why not charge them both?!
Might discourage a few lasses, as they might realise that they would face the legal consequences, not just the lad.
We should tell our children to wait until they are sure it is right for them, and then ensure that they are not embarrassed from asking for contraception.
But at the end of the day we need to give our kids the support to make the right decisions for themselves.
I couldn't agree more. My 16 year old daughter has always been able to discuss sex with me quite openly. She IS still 'innocent', but one of her classmates is due to give birth any day now.
Whay horrifies my daughter almost as much as the fact that her friend will probably never complete her education is the fact that her friends mum 'doesn't care' that her daughter is pregnant. Apparently her attitude was 'oh well, the state will look after her'
What hope do children have when THAT is the attitude of their parents?
no but clearly she does, in shakespeares day that was a normal time to be doing that, so its definitely a societal thing, she is a victim of our society and her family but dont punish the baby, thats what I wanna say it isnt the baby's fault
Er what baby? Its a cell, with no feelings/thoughts. Sorry
sorry but, science hasnt proved out like that yet and unless u are in fact God or can regress urself to that age, then dont make out u know that stuff.
Apologies but I'm a strong believer in attemting to avoid abortion, I understand the adoption route but the destroying of a life evn only a potential one is definitely messin with nature and is still murder unless it really is the only option that fits.
sorry :rant:
Fair enough, but i would think its common bloody sense.
coolio, I can c what u mean but I guess I just dont agree, x
Saint Matt
12-05-06, 10:19 PM
I can honestly say, its none of my business, it doesn't affect me, so I do not care.
If you pay tax it effects you.
I don't :) But if I did, would it affect me? Would I pay more because of some debbie getting pregnant at 11? I don't think so. And it's not even a case of "If more poeple did it then..." as they won't, because if this was a common occurance then it wouldn't be front page news :)
socommk23
12-05-06, 11:34 PM
I can honestly say, its none of my business, it doesn't affect me, so I do not care.
If you pay tax it effects you.
I don't :) But if I did, would it affect me? Would I pay more because of some debbie getting pregnant at 11? I don't think so. And it's not even a case of "If more poeple did it then..." as they won't, because if this was a common occurance then it wouldn't be front page news :)
cos she 11 it made front page news!
teenage pregnancy is very common and on the increase! therefore more sprogs with no one working to give them a quality of living so they scrounge off the state to support themselves!
where that money come from?
its not made for them!
we pay it in taxes!
Sex with a minor is illegal, therefore he has been charged, quite rightly. However, when they are both minors in this case, why not charge them both?!
Might discourage a few lasses, as they might realise that they would face the legal consequences, not just the lad.
I agree show should face charges and so should her mum. She's beenleft babysitting her younger brother.(which she reckons is just like looking afetr it)
At 12 she reckons she a good mum smokes roll up and drinks reguarly. Am i thick or is she living in a fantasy world.
I feel sorry for them all. the mothers proud of the daughter :shock:
The baby didn't ask for any of this. The girl no doubt will live on state benefits for years and may get a job but without quali's - i think not. Its hard not to generalise in this situation and I hope it all come good.
All we hope for is that she finds it B*****y hard to raise that kid, but we all know when it gets hard grandma will take over. I wonder if the kid will realise who the real mother is?
Who failed who though?
Anonymous
13-05-06, 09:04 AM
feel sorry for the baby. i dont believe abortion should be forced on her who are we to say she cannot have a baby. heard this on radio yesterday and first thing the do gooders do is blame the school. this is squarely on the shoulders of the parents. my daughter is 13 and its quite scary when i hear what other kids at her school are going at weekend. ie going out getting drunk, hanging about the street and a few months ago 4 14 year old kids murdered a man. they are now back at school awaiting trial. its down to the parents, i always want to know where my daughter is, where she is going and who is going to be there. but i remember being young myself (was a long time ago).
Basically there is no respect in todays society. no one has respect for anyone else. kids dont respect adults just for being adults. therefore kids have no respect for themself.
:rant: over
timwilky
13-05-06, 09:56 AM
I notice many of you are quick to condem the parents. I have a daughter who is badly off the rails since the age of 13 now 20.
There are some children from the most loving and caring of homes that have something in their heads that makes them not give a damm. I do not condem the mother of this girl although her comments are a little inappropriate. I wonder what help she has asked for and what help she has been given.
It is my experience that the social services etc are unwilling to help families and children until something happens to force them to get involved. Pre emptive requests from parents are simply brushed under the carpet.
Dazbo666
13-05-06, 10:21 AM
According to the times on line she got pregnant by the 15 year old during a "drunken binge", JESUS, at eleven i would have had my ears boxed for even trying to sip an alcoholic drink without my parents consent.
"I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her...
Proud of her daughters shining example to society, no doubt?? :roll:
...and just for the record, I'm not condemning the parents, cos I know from 1st hand experience that youngsters can go off the rails irrelevant of what background they've come from, but I also agree that social services often avoid getting involved until they're almost forced into a corner.
Thankfully my own 18y.o. step-daughter eventually managed to sort herself out with a lot of help and support, so I've seen both extremes of the situation... but I'm glad to say she's recently got some amazing references from her work experience as well as the Prince of Wales Trust programme that she's completed.
Sorry for rambling, and hijacking the thread a little, but she really hit rock bottom a few years ago... and now I'm so proud that she's achieved so much =D>
:rant:
IMHO, This is this sort of poor parenting skills which is giving us all the problems we are having in society today as a whole...
Yob culture, lack of respect for anything/anyone, juvenile car crime, theft... etc etc
All of these things were quite prevelent in Hull when I was growing up, but did I decide to 'go down that path' :?:
No :!:
Why :?:
Because I know I'd have gotten my @rse well & truly kicked if I did...
These days kids seem to be getting patted on the back by certain parents for doing stupid things, not chastised... Let alone being 'smacked' (can I say that work or will I get dragged off to court for uttering such filth :roll:)
The only people who can do something about this kind of behaviour is society are the people who live in it - US!
Totally agree with you on that.
northwind
13-05-06, 05:35 PM
On the bright side, at least it's not a teenage pregnancy
(stolen from another list)
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