View Full Version : A2 Commuter dude, your gonna kill yourself....
Now i pass two Curvey blue SV quite a lot on the A2 coastbound from London to Gravesend. One of them i pass, black jacket, small red line accross the top. Normal safe rider...
However...
I get passed all the time by another guy on a blue SV650S, curvey, again thin black leather jacket at a thicker red strip going accross the top of his jacket...
Now im quite a fast rider, but i know my limits, and the limits of the SV brakes, but this guy simply flys past me like im standing backward, flicking the bike left and right through the cars..
Now each to their own and that, but your not kitted up the best you could be and ytou ride like a nutter through the most accident prone part of the A2. Im not telling you how to ride, but i am telling you you WILL get seriously hurt, maybe not today, tomorrow, next week or next month, but it will happen.
Theres simply NO way you could hit the brakes in time if someone switch lanes....
Take the advice or not, its your life, not mine, i don't care...... I ride slow enough to stop..
Dont ever follow me then!
Some people are lucky. They have been commuting for a long time in whatever manner they choose. They can go for ever without having an off. Maybe they use the force!! Or theres people like my mate, whos come a cropper 5 times on the A2.
Each to thier own.
Yep, its ya own choice how you ride, and if you take the risks or not!
Putting it simply, you cant apply your set of standards and risk assessment to someone elses. Yes, if they were a danger to you then you would have fair grounds to complain. If theyre not, then you have to let it go.
You ride YOUR ride, they'll ride theirs. You cant look out for everyone else out there. You need all your concentration looking out for you. :wink: :D
*PS yes I do agree with you that some people ride too fast, but end of day its ultimately their choice and not mine. As long as they dont endanger me I dont care.
Well not strictly true, I do, never like to see a bike down. But you have to distinguish between inexperienced riders that get sucked into over confidence and the real suicidal muppets that have statistic written all over them. And you dont have to be going fast to get your bike written off either. Someone was only doing 15mph when a passenger got out a stationary car. Not good for him either. :(
*PPS - have you encountered the vfr or gixxer that filters past you filtering yet? Now THATS something I feel warrants a major rant against. :evil:
re -filtering ,,im just back from the nw200 and really the standard of riding amongst 90% of the bikes on the roads is shocking ,i mean theres filtering and theres madness (wrong side of road /oncoming cars /solid white lines ,the list goes on) i even got overtaken AND undertaken at the same time (i was doing about 50 in a small village so it wasnt even on an open stretch) on the approach to a junction while passing a traffic island/lamp post thingy and my elbow was clipped a few times.there are some right nutters out there.no wonder car drivers /general public have a low opinion of motorcyclists :wink:
mean theres filtering and theres madness (wrong side of road /oncoming cars /solid white lines ,the list goes on)
Depedning on how its done, its sometimes safer to be on the other side of the road. There is no right and wrong side, only left and right. You are allow to be on the right hand side as long as it is safe to do so and you do not disrupt any oncomming traffic.
Indeed, there is one perticualr road on my commute which has a junction at the end, and it is traffic light controled. So there is no traffic coming towards you. The road bends at the end slightly, so to get a good view on what is going to be a hazard I go right out into the other lane. This gives you plenty of time time get back in should the lights change/a car turn right etc...
Also, in london crossing traffic lights, some of the roads I use are fairly long strights, plently of room and vision to get over to the right to pass lots of cars before the lights change.
Again, double white lines. There is one part of my journey where i regually break them, although im a lot more careful about doing this than the scooter riders who do. If you know the road, its coming up to batterse brige where the turning to latchmear leasure center is. I can hold back at the top of the hill where the lines start and get a good view all the way down to the lights, and if the lights are red, I have no problem (bearing in mind things turning right to the leasure center) crossing them to make progress up to the lights. And to make things better its perfectly legal
"You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10mph or less. "
Oh, and Can I have the Cat back once its finished with the pigeons please.
Ta
Dan
re -filtering ,,im just back from the nw200 and really the standard of riding amongst 90% of the bikes on the roads is shocking ,i mean theres filtering and theres madness (wrong side of road /oncoming cars /solid white lines ,the list goes on) i even got overtaken AND undertaken at the same time (i was doing about 50 in a small village so it wasnt even on an open stretch) on the approach to a junction while passing a traffic island/lamp post thingy and my elbow was clipped a few times.there are some right nutters out there.no wonder car drivers /general public have a low opinion of motorcyclists :wink:
Never commuted in london then. Rules...what rules! Its survival of the fitest out there i tell ya! ;)
stewboy
16-05-06, 10:31 AM
see i go with the idear that if you sit the bike on the back wheel you can see :lol: further ahead...
I have in built rules that I follow... sometimes I break them, but I normally keep to them. And I'll happily filter in 6th gear at 6k, just try to ensure I'm not going more then 10-20 mph faster then the traffic I'm filtering though. I'm more concerned about dangerous riding then speeding, but it still is on my mind as I have 9 points.
As for London, still working on that, as I see people doing so bizzare things. Riding on the pavement, wrong way down one way street, seems a little too far to me. Bit to much pushing that 'dangerous' riding point that I just made.
So many opinions.... I don't care really, im not riding in a loony style...
Im mearly advising that person of their stupiditty, whether that person or others wishes to pay attention is up to them... Its not my life.....
So many opinions.... I don't care really, im not riding in a loony style...
Im mearly advising that person of their stupiditty, whether that person or others wishes to pay attention is up to them... Its not my life.....
I thnk the point thats being made is, we are all resposible for our own riding, and who are you, or any of us to criticise?
Who is anyone to criticise about anything anyone else does......
But everyone still feels the need to do it.... Why did people feel the need to reply to this post???? It was only aimed for one person?
Swings n roundabouts and all that....
Who is anyone to criticise about anything anyone else does......
But everyone still feels the need to do it.... Why did people feel the need to reply to this post???? It was only aimed for one person?
Why did you feel the need to make the thread?
You dont even know that person is on here do you?
While I agree with your opinion, I wont hold that against anyone who does it unless they endanger me. Its their choice on what they wear, what they ride and how they ride.
SVeeedy Gonzales
22-05-06, 07:58 PM
I used to go down the A2 faster than was safe (yellow pointy up until last summer) then got knocked off by putting myself in a situation that I could have (with the training I've had since then) avoided. Each to their own - hopefully if people are riding too fast for the conditions they'll realise before they have an accident. When I finally get back to commuting it'll be at a slower pace but I bet I'll still get to work as quickly by doing better planning on the ride than I used to do.
Why did you feel the need to make the thread?
You dont even know that person is on here do you?
While I agree with your opinion, I wont hold that against anyone who does it unless they endanger me. Its their choice on what they wear, what they ride and how they ride.
So you agree but still are trying to argue. Typical lyn eh...
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LH-SV650
24-05-06, 04:19 PM
I used to commute from Swanscombe to London up the A2 for a year some rain, shine or SNOW!
I feel that if someone wants to filter faster than me, then go right ahead, I'll keep my distance and get out of your way ASAP.
What used to annoy me was the constant revving of someone who's impatient behind me. I'm only going to get out of your way when I find a safe place to do so. Also, don't take the delay out on me, there is quite often a que of 7 or more bikes waiting to get past Mr wannabe copper on his white pan-euro that can't really filter as well as some smaller bikes.
Now I have to battle with the A10 and A1. That's much worse!
Precision_Bearing
24-05-06, 09:14 PM
That's very sensible LH.
Most times I pass another biker, I try to acknowledge it with a show of the left hand.
I notice when I've been trekking around a motorway and then onto a slower A road, I tend to filter much faster than the bikers already on it.
SVeeedy Gonzales
25-05-06, 07:29 AM
I used to commute from Swanscombe to London up the A2 for a year some rain, shine or SNOW!
I feel that if someone wants to filter faster than me, then go right ahead, I'll keep my distance and get out of your way ASAP.
What used to annoy me was the constant revving of someone who's impatient behind me. I'm only going to get out of your way when I find a safe place to do so. Also, don't take the delay out on me, there is quite often a que of 7 or more bikes waiting to get past Mr wannabe copper on his white pan-euro that can't really filter as well as some smaller bikes.
Now I have to battle with the A10 and A1. That's much worse!
I used to pass real bike coppers along embankment and they'd always pull to one side well in time, accepting that they'd hold up other bikes (and actually looking for other bikes coming up behind). I suspect most of the time the guy on the Pan/BMW/Harley/Scooter who's holding everyone up does it because they don't realise they're causing a bike tailback, because they aren't looking in their mirrors, rather than just being a git. Though they are gits.
Ceri JC
27-05-06, 10:45 AM
I used to pass real bike coppers along embankment and they'd always pull to one side well in time, accepting that they'd hold up other bikes (and actually looking for other bikes coming up behind). I suspect most of the time the guy on the Pan/BMW/Harley/Scooter who's holding everyone up does it because they don't realise they're causing a bike tailback, because they aren't looking in their mirrors, rather than just being a git. Though they are gits.
Yep. I think a lot of the time it's (and this is quite likely if they're slow and hence holding you up) either that they're overcautious, or not very experienced/confident and 100% of their focus is ahead and they're not checking their mirrors. Personally I think bikers, given how much it enrages them when cagers do it to them, should be the last people to intentionally obstruct another bike's progress.
My view is, if something faster than you wants to overtake, get the **** out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so. Trying to set limits on other people's progress based on your perception of their equipment/ability does absolutely nothing for safety and only encourages road rage. Only time I'd say it's justified is give a "slowing down" hand signal and backing off a bit if you've seen an accident/animals on the road/diesel etc. that you may be obscuring from the view of the person behind who is itching to get past.
Daimo: Not having a go, but for all you know, this chap who keeps getting past is a class one bike copper of 20 years experience who has also won races. His SV may also have really sorted aftermarket brakes, pads, lines and discs on them and he might be running supremely sticky tyres (or wets if it's raining). Of course, it's not likely that all those things apply but it's entirely possible. Every time you think "he was going too fast" you should remember that almost every cager you pass will think the same about you. Does that mean they're correct/have the right to impede your progress (under the delusion that they're helping you be "safer") :roll: ?! 'Course not! :wink:
Personally I think bikers, given how much it enrages them when cagers do it to them, should be the last people to intentionally obstruct another bike's progress.
Now I look at it like this. Given how hard drivers make it for us as is, bikers should be the last people to intentionally make it harder by pressurising someone ahead beyond their skills/judgement/experience dictates.
My view is, if something faster than you wants to overtake, get the **** out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so.
But that is whats in question. Peoples judgements of whats safe and whats a sufficient gap to move over into. Everyone is an individual. Whats safe to me isnt necessarily to you and vice versa. A biker behind has a different perspective than someone in front - again you cant apply your perception to someone in a different circumstance really. But people do.
Ime, I can get past bikes that do this [whice are rare] with a bit of planning and smooth riding.
To me, impatient bikers are the bigger hazzard than someone setting limits. Theyre the ones riding too close, moving into escape routes and pulling off seriously dangerous manouvers because they presume theyre being held up deliberately so go past straight into a hazzard being considered by the more cautious rider.
I let someone through last Wednesday only to see him sideswiped by a car changing lane right ahead of me. So perhaps rather than get all worked up into this "its deliberate" mentality, I wish these impatient riders would stop to think that the person being cautious has a bloody good reason for being so. :wink:
Was wearing a T-shirt the other day and went hairing past me......
Yeah, and some of you are defending him :roll: :lol:
The Basket
13-06-06, 09:21 AM
I agree.
Some riders ride without brain engaged.
It is their hard cheddar in the long run.
There goes the 20 year copper idea.
Probably wont find him on here either.
There goes the 20 year copper idea.
Probably wont find him on here either.
But supports the nutty courier theory :wink: :P :lol: :lol:
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