British Justice is a joke

[sharriso74]

A 15 year old boy has been found guilty of manslaughter.

After watching videos of 'happy slapping' he picked a victim at random then goaded and punched him. The victim then fell hitting his head and later died in hospital.

What did this little s*it get 3 years so out in 18 months

[Anonymous]

A 15 year old boy has been found guilty of manslaughter.

After watching videos of 'happy slapping' he picked a victim at random then goaded and punched him. The victim then fell hitting his head and later died in hospital.

What did this little s*it get 3 years so out in 18 months

Id say thats fair enough really.

Its good to see him actually get a sentance, normally kids get away with it scott free.

End of the day, i dont know the full circumstances so i cant give a full opinion as im bound to be missing something vital - but based on the information you give, id say it was fair. I dont know about the kid, any other offences, what hes like, his school attendance etc. If hes a little ****, then yeah, he deserves more - but if hes just a normal 15yo kid who made a bad error of judgement - why screw the kids life up permenantly for it. We all **** up at times.

[sharriso74]

3 years for beating someone to death. Not defending himself in a fight, just thought that it'd be fun to go and punch someone.

Sorry missed a bit out. 'Afterwards bragged to his friends that Mr Topp had been asking for it'

What Mr Topp had done, was sit waiting for a train with his fiancee

[Anonymous]

A 15 year old boy has been found guilty of manslaughter.

After watching videos of 'happy slapping' he picked a victim at random then goaded and punched him. The victim then fell hitting his head and later died in hospital.

What did this little s*it get 3 years so out in 18 months

I'm with you. Sometimes there has to be an element of "pour encourager les autres" to stop copy-catting.

BTW.....I note the inspiration from "watching videos of happy slapping". I've been well flamed both here and elsewhere for complaining bitterly about people who make 'em and put them out over the internet....and the people who draw attention to them by posting links. Chop off the source of titillation (ie these stupid video websites) and we'll go some way to stopping the problem IMHO.

[mysteryjimbo]

3 years for beating someone to death.

Are you reading the same thing as me?

After watching videos of 'happy slapping' he picked a victim at random then goaded and punched him. The victim then fell hitting his head and later died in hospital.

Kids do stupid things. The sentence is appropriate in this case i reckon. A tragic accident caused by a misguided teen.

[mysteryjimbo]

Its not that far removed from other stupid acts. Riding like an idiot and possibly endangering others?

If you we dont know any more than what we've read, we cant judge. He's got a 18 months to think about what he's done. We've all seen far worse miscarriages of justice.

[andy]

If that poor guy was a member of my family, I'd be making sure that kid suffered a nasty fall after leaving prison.

Too right.

The kid may not have intended to kill the guy, but he certainly intended to hurt or humiliate him and deserves far more than 3 years for that.

I bet if the kid was kicked in good when he gets out, the person who does the kicking will get a similar if not worse sentence than 3 years - f*cking joke.

It is cases like this that *encourage" others to do the same - we need some serious punishment seen to be done to put a stop to these idiots.

[andy]

Its not that far removed from other stupid acts. Riding like an idiot and possibly endangering others?

Riding like an idiot and hurting someone (which is quite unlikely) has no INTENT of harm.

Slapping someone round the face most definately has INTENT of harm.

Hang the f*ckers.......

[mysteryjimbo]

Its not that far removed from other stupid acts. Riding like an idiot and possibly endangering others?

Riding like an idiot and hurting someone (which is quite unlikely) has no INTENT of harm.

Slapping someone round the face most definately has INTENT of harm.

Hang the f*ckers.......

How many times do you see that on a Saturday night?

My local area has just turned down another nightclub as 80% of the disorder offences occur between 8pm and 5am at the weekend. Drunken disorder and deaths caused are far more prolific. My other half can vouch for how many cases of INTENT to harm she sees every weekend yet most of these cases are overlooked or acted upon as they are seen as part of going out for a drink.

This trend for "happy slapping" causes no where near the amount of problems. Yet gets more attention when things go terribly wrong.

[mysteryjimbo]

They didn't think it was quite so funny when I nailed the car back down the road at them and grabbed one of them and started crushing his wind pipe. When people realise there is consequence to their actions, they'll start to get the idea.


Whoa there tiger! :shock: And you couldnt have accidentally killed him? It could have killed me on a bad day or anyone with numerous medical conditions.

That sort of thing activity amongst teenagers is not by any means new. Teenagers do stupid things.

I do not condone their actions. I hate the current attitude of the youth of today and would quite gladly give them a good kicking in many cases. I'm just saying the sentence is probably appropriate.

[mysteryjimbo]

And it would've been okay if I'd swerved and hit a car head-on or hit a pedestrian?

Little scroat was lucky as far as I'm concerned.

That wouldve been you're fault. As would swerving around dogs, cats or being hit in by a low flying bird.

[Spiderman]

They didn't think it was quite so funny when I nailed the car back down the road at them and grabbed one of them and started crushing his wind pipe. When people realise there is consequence to their actions, they'll start to get the idea.


Whoa there tiger! :shock: And you couldnt have accidentally killed him? It could have killed me on a bad day or anyone with numerous medical conditions.

That sort of thing activity amongst teenagers is not by any means new. Teenagers do stupid things.

I do not condone their actions. I hate the current attitude of the youth of today and would quite gladly give them a good kicking in many cases. I'm just saying the sentence is probably appropriate.

I think his point is that if they hadnt done the wrong thing in the 1st place then he would not have had to do what he did.
A moral sense that throwing a tennis ball at someones car as they are driving is just not a good thing to do.

More of these little *****s need to remember the phrase "treat people how you expect to be treated".

And i'd love to know how they would act if someone did the same to them when they were old enough to drive. Would they just shrug it off and say "Ah, kids" or would they drive back and stab him for "dissin" their car?

[mysteryjimbo]

And it would've been okay if I'd swerved and hit a car head-on or hit a pedestrian?

Little scroat was lucky as far as I'm concerned.

That wouldve been you're fault. As would swerving around dogs, cats or being hit in by a low flying bird.

Have you ever been in a car with someone who's swerved with a bird etc? I'm sure you have. It doesn't seem to be a conscious decision with some of them. If they'd reacted the same with the ball and hit someone, would that have been their fault or the fault of the person who'd chucked the ball?

What if it hadnt been thrown on purpose and had been kicked by teens playing? Thats got to have happened thousands of times. It's irrelevant what the intention was, the person driving the car is still in charge of the vehicle.

Whos fault would it have if the person who's wind pipe you were crushing died? Surely the person who chucked the ball at you. Must have had it coming to them......

Accidents happen. He's got 18 months minimum and i'm sure he deserves every last one.

Personally i hate the parole system. A sentence is a sentence. There should be no half measures.

[Anonymous]

Personally i hate the parole system. A sentence is a sentence. There should be no half measures.

Agree on that point ;-)

We can argue the toss on the previous point all day and get nowhere, I can see your point of view, I just believe that rough justice often works for young lads (bearing in mind I'm 24) and it often teaches lessons very quickly.


:shock: had you down as being a LOT older than that lee!

:?

:oops: Sorry Bro!

[mysteryjimbo]

Young whippersnappers in here.

I'll soon be 28 and an old fogie.

[Anonymous]

Why?

And why are you sorry? :lol:

If you're owt like me mate, you wont appreciate people thinking you're older than you actually are.

Im balding (as per another thread) and people think im 28/29... cheeky sods... Im 23!!!

Dunno why i had you down as older, just did. Having not seen your photo, there is just summat bout your posts which made me think you were like... 30, or even, 40. :oops:

*joe runs and hides.. he wants to keep his wind pipe in one piece*

[andy]

You have obviously never met Lee - he acts half his age :-)

[andy]

I just believe that rough justice often works for young lads (bearing in mind I'm 24) and it often teaches lessons very quickly.

Exactly.

[DanAbnormal]

I think the young kid should have got a longer sentence as well. I know you said why ruin the kids life but by direct action this kid has pretty much ruined the dead guys life wouldn't you say?

Does anyone remember the incident with the brick being thrown off a bridge killing a lorry driver (well he died of a heart attack actually caused by shock but still). Well I knew of this kid, not a bad kid just your typical teenager, i.e. stupid. Well he got 5 years for that act and I totally agree with the sentence. It has really changed him and I very much doubt he will be so stupid in the future. Maybe the sentence was hard but the result of his stupidity was also very hard, someone died.

There are too many cases of young kids thinking they can go around doing what they like and giving people grief and getting no comeback. There are loads around my area and I was off work the other day and saw a bunch of kids walking down the middle of the main road while cars were coming at them and they just refused to get onto the footpath. Not one single car beeped them as they were far too scared (kids in my area have a reputation for causing trouble in gangs). They just stopped until the kids decided that it was no longer fun. Yet if one of them had been mowed down it would have been a 'tragic' accident. If that were me I would have given them a right mouthful. Mindyou kids in my area now think I'm a steroid using nut case (and no I don't use steroids). I saw one of them kick my cat across the road so I ran out in my vest and pinned the little ****er to the wall, he had about 10 mates with him but now I just give them a look and they cross the street. Sometimes these people only understand one language. PAIN!

[BabyJ]

It all boils down to our courts. I totally agree that this lad should get longer, or just make sure that he does his FULL time, I think 5 years is long enough if he were to do it all. Not sure about all the violence tho, violence only promotes violence so not sure about that one but I do believe that tougher sentences are needed.

One example.... and sorry if some people are offended (yes me again! :wink: )

The guy the raped the 3 month old baby got 3 years so he'll probably be out in 18 months too. Sorry but that guy deserves a far longer sentence (like LIFE imprisonment!) and he deserves everything he gets coming to him and more!

Time should mean Time and definately longer in most cases!

Sorry rant over! :D :wink:

[DanAbnormal]

The guy the raped the 3 month old baby got 3 years so he'll probably be out in 18 months too. Sorry but that guy deserves a far longer sentence.

My personal opinion is that he should be castrated with a spoon. And then beaten to a bloody pulp, but not killed. Death is far too good for this special kind of scum.

[BabyJ]

sorry dan but castrated yes... spoon.... not sure.... I would prefer a blunt knife and NO pain relief!!

[Anonymous]

The guy the raped the 3 month old baby got 3 years so he'll probably be out in 18 months too. Sorry but that guy deserves a far longer sentence.

My personal opinion is that he should be castrated with a spoon. And then beaten to a bloody pulp, but not killed. Death is far too good for this special kind of scum.

Dont know the specifics about this case.

But people who generally want to, and do have sex with, children, are mentally sick - they arent "normal" like us people - therefore, to say they should be executed is just stupid. They should be given medical treatment, to try and understand why they feel that way, and then perhaps it can be addressed in the future to prevent more adults wanting to do it.

Surely understanding and prevention is better than retailiating to their crimes - after all, for us to punish them, it means that a kid has had to endure that ordeal. Is that really acceptable? Would it not be better to be able to understand what makes them feel that way and then treat them before they have time to attack?

[Anonymous]

Surely understanding and prevention is better than retailiating to their crimes - after all, for us to punish them, it means that a kid has had to endure that ordeal. Is that really acceptable? Would it not be better to be able to understand what makes them feel that way and then treat them before they have time to attack?

Well of COURSE prevention is better than cure...BUT: society doesn't know these people are paedophiles until AFTER the event, for a whole variety of reasons. So, to say you can prevent it is a bit far-fetched. It assumes that we ask all men (and it is primarily, but not exclusively, men) at an early stage in their lives: "do you fancy having it away with kids?" It assumes that a proportion will say "Ooh yes! Treat me! Quick!"

And if you think that is likely, you believe that Santa Claus is married to the Tooth Faerie and is bringing up the Loch Ness Monster's orphaned cubs in a Shoe Box purchased from Mother Hubbard.

[BabyJ]

Sorry GYKD but I really don't think these people can be treated!!

What would posses a person to do something like that? How can you justify it by trying to find out why?

Please don't take offence but some homophobics (not I) would say that gay people need treating. I disagree. You are what you are. :D

The point I am trying to make is that no amount of "finding out" and trying to cure these "monsters" is going to make any difference. If we had tougher sentences then people would be deterred from commiting such inhumane acts.

How can we accept that raping and photographing a 3 month old BABY justifies a 3 years sentence?!?!!

Absolute lunacy!!! :evil:

[DanAbnormal]

sorry dan but castrated yes... spoon.... not sure.... I would prefer a blunt knife and NO pain relief!!

It would hurt more with a spoon though :D

[Speedy]

The punishments in this country ARE TOO leaniant. These idiots who go around slapping people for fun need an example to be made of them,the justice system had the perfect opportunity to do just this! They let it go! MUPPETS!

These kids/youths are lawless and KNOW that they can get away with doing whatever they bloody well like! Mainly because the Police are either TOO scarred to tackle them or are sick of making arrests,going to court only to have the CPS throw it out or witnesses don't show,(scarred themselves of repercution due to poor policing or lack of police presence) and so 'they' get away with nothing more than a slapped wrist!

When was the last time YOU saw a police officer 'walk the beat' around your neighbourhood!? Around here,NEVER!
If there was a proper police presence on the streets,then the visual impact SHOULD deter these little gits from hurting innocent people/damaging private property.

But NO,the police only want to tackle motorists as its an easy task,which also generates revenue for the Government.

A few months ago,we was woken up at 06.00 on a Sunday morning by four 'youths' trying to break into the cars in my street,whether they were intending to steal a car or contents from them,who knows.

My Dad went out to confront them,only to recieve threats that they would 'pour petrol through our letter-box,and torch the house',I went out to assist my Dad,only to receive threats myself,they then ripped a 'For Sale' board from a neighbours wall,went to hit me with it,didn't.one of the others went across the road,ripped a Paving slab from someones wall,and threw it at my Dad!

I could not believe what was happening in BROARD DAYLIGHT!
We ended up waking my neighbour(Police Officer)then followed them,they disapeared,by this time we were in contact with a Police car via radio,trying to catch them.
We ended up in a car-chase with them.They stole someones car!

My Dad identified them from the police database,and was told that these 'people' were particularly horrible,and that several police stations had outstanding Warrants for arrest on them.

What happened!??

NOTHING!

We need tougher sentences,more Police on the streets protecting innocent people from this scum!

By the way,I'm 27,just I always treat people with respect and how I'd like to be treated!

[Spiderman]

saldy these sort of scumbags are also the type to carry knives and think nothing of using them. I'm glad you guys walked away from that ****.

But i agree that on the whole there is a huge problem with this type of "ferral youth" as a minister once called them.. And thats why it made me laugh the other night, flicking tv channels and i hear on newsnight ".... over all, crime is down including street robberies blah bla blah more govt sponsored statistical lies blah blah blah cos we take you all for fools blah blah blah...."

but it seems like politicians are tied up in their own lies about being PC too much of the time to take note of reality. Cos reality sucks sometimes and its easier for them to look at the cameras and flashbulbs than the truth.

[medwaysv]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:








awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

[northwind]

3 years for beating someone to death.

That's not "beating someone to death". That's doing something stupid, and having something extremely nlikely happen. I've no sympathy for the kid of course, but there was no intent to kill, or even likelihood that there'd be such a tragic outcome.

[Anonymous]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:

awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

=D>

[medwaysv]

dont matter that he didnt intend to kill him the fact that he attacked an innocent man for no reason.
stupid actions often lead to tragic consequences.
lets say that this poor unfortunate man survived..the youth should have got 3 years just for attacking him

[andy]

That's not "beating someone to death". That's doing something stupid, and having something extremely nlikely happen. I've no sympathy for the kid of course, but there was no intent to kill, or even likelihood that there'd be such a tragic outcome.

Agreed, but there was intent to hurt with the known possibility of it being more than a red cheek. The bottom line is this kids actions with the intent to hurt an innocent person resulted in a family being torn apart (I assume) and for that 3 years (18 months) really is not justice.

If I was the family I would be fuming/devastated.

[medwaysv]

3 years for beating someone to death.

That's not "beating someone to death". That's doing something stupid, and having something extremely nlikely happen. I've no sympathy for the kid of course, but there was no intent to kill, or even likelihood that there'd be such a tragic outcome.


which is why it was manslaughter and not a murder charge.

[northwind]

Absolutely. The offence was recognised in the charge... I'm taking exception to the characterisation of it as "beating someone to death".

Of course there was intent to harm, I don't know what I said that could be read differently?

[Balky001]

The boy didn't slap the guy in a childish and foolish way, he was trying to knock the bloke out and fractured his jaw in 2 places. That was intent to cause serious harm which I think would have deserved 3 years had the guy recovered. The fact his action of pure violence (not misguide pranking around or riding too quickly) took a life deserves a longer sentence. I just don't know how good custodian sentences are, surely the worse you are the easier it is to serve - mostly decent people would find going to prison a lot more intimidating than thugs. Maybe he should get a slap, or is that a punch? :evil:

[Balky001]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:

awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

=D>

lets get us a posse and go a lynching - opps, showing my age now, ah the 30's (1830's), great times!

[medwaysv]

We need tougher detterants. You've got make the criminals think that they can't get away with what they do easily. Its about time judges got in touch with reality and started treating criminals more harshly by handing down longer sentences and forget the idea of early release, make them do their full time given. no time off for good behaviour and all that cr*p cos they just come out early and start all over again.

[medwaysv]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:

awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

=D>

lets get us a posse and go a lynching - opps, showing my age now, ah the 30's (1830's), great times!

Yeah lets got back to the 30's.... the 1730's.

Stocks and rancid tomatoes.... hung drawn & quartered and all that jazz. (altho this probably happened long before this time! :D )

[Speedy]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:

awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

=D>

lets get us a posse and go a lynching - opps, showing my age now, ah the 30's (1830's), great times!

Yeah lets got back to the 30's.... the 1730's.

Stocks and rancid tomatoes.... hung drawn & quartered and all that jazz. (altho this probably happened long before this time! :D )

Public birchings! That would bring the ba*tards back to reality!

[Anonymous]

bring back public humiliation of these scumbags :twisted:

awaits the barrage of critiscism :?

=D>

lets get us a posse and go a lynching - opps, showing my age now, ah the 30's (1830's), great times!

Yeah lets got back to the 30's.... the 1730's.

Stocks and rancid tomatoes.... hung drawn & quartered and all that jazz. (altho this probably happened long before this time! :D )

Public birchings! That would bring the ba*tards back to reality!

On a more serious note, it's (for me, anyway) not about birchings and so on, but about naming and shaming. How many times have you read: "A 15 year old boy/girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was today convicted of......"

Old enough to break the law should be old enough to take the consequences.