Ferrari set up Monaco blockade. *SPOILER*

[Peter Henry]

Ok so a little bit of journalistic license with the tabloid like headline! :wink:

But what does anyone who saw the qualifying for the F1 GP in Monaco think about the shenanigans with the Ferrari of MS? I think MS is a brilliant champ and a very decent person but Favio Briatore of Renault does not presently think so!

Ok so MS locks up and leaves his car in a position where it can easilly be seen by other drivers, but will also make them back off the gas a little. All of this in the dying seconds of qualifying and so a possible under handed way to protect your pole position from someone who is very possibly going to take it from you!

Remember how crucial pole is at Monaco where passing moves are largely impossible.

What you reckon then folks? Fair or foul?

[carelesschucca]

ALLS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR!!!

[Scooby Drew]

MS should go collect his pension if he is having to resort to tricks to stay in front :lol:

[Marshall]

Hes a dirty cheating BAS**RD!!!

i cant F**KING belive it, i hope he has he time removed from him and he starts from the back, he knew very well what he was doing!!

Im bl**dy livid.

ARGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

:rant: :rant: :rant:

[darylB]

I'd like to give mr Schumacher the benefit of the doubt but with his past record it's difficult, the line he took in the corner was totally wrong to get round it, plus in the interview after he was looking very sheepish and red faced. therefore Michael i personally think you and Ferrari are a load of cheatin b******s.

Daryl. :smt013

[fizzwheel]

Theres an article on the BBC website about this. Apparently Renault are talking to the stewards about what happened.

I also thought his line for that corner looked wrong and also to me the back of his car seemed to kick round.

Maybe it was geniune but somehow I think not. I dont know why he does stuff like this he's still quick and has talent. He just gives me more reason to dislike him.

Mind you compared to the antics of Senna and Prost what he did is nothing.

[northwind]

I'd like to see a bit more cheating in F1, liven things up :)

[Supervox]

Hes a dirty cheating BAS**RD!!!

i cant F**KING belive it, i hope he has he time removed from him and he starts from the back, he knew very well what he was doing!!

Im bl**dy livid.

ARGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

:rant: :rant: :rant:

Wot he said - the 'cobbler' has been cheating his way to World Championships for years - end of story !! :evil:

[BILLY]

It's boring stopped watching years ago same old thing!!!!!!!!!

[Biker Biggles]

I heard he has been relegated to the back of the grid.Silly decision IMO,as if the stewards think he was cheating they should have shown him a red card.If he was'nt cheating they should have left him alone.This is a half measure and does the sport no favours.

[Peter Henry]

I think BB is correct. The officials on the track could have flagged the session. The Fewrrari removed and enough time for those that were out on the track at the time of the incident to do a warm up lap and a fast lap.

To wait for hours and only cave in due to pressure from a number of teams, does cast a poor light oveer the sport in general.

[tomjones2]

Micheal is a cheating git, not like he hasent done it before is it, LOL

We will have to see how the race develops

Do u reckon fernado would have got pole, its was very close?

[Supervox]

The rules now state that anyone who "holds up another driver, goes deliberately slowly or who stops on the track for no reason shall be stripped of his time" (paraphrased by me).

So, because of this rule MS has been punished according with the current F1 guidelines, NOT because of pressure from other teams - although it would have been interesting to see what action was taken had Renault (& possibly others) not lodged an official complaint.

Just another example of the fact that MS's days as the 'golden boy' are over - a few years ago no action would have been taken no matter what his 'crime' !!

Personally, I'm delighted 'cos I've always thought he was an arrogant, insufferable pr*ck !!

[Vfr400]

I watched the qualifying this afternoon and said at the time is was strange that the engine stalled considering in past races he's been a master at keeping it going. I think the stewards have been right to deliberate and take time to come to there decision, hopefully it'll stop Bernie in his tracks from trying to have his mate MS reinstated. Personally i think the cheating barsteward should be banned for 2 races too.

chris

[Speedy]

It's boring stopped watching years ago same old thing!!!!!!!!!

Have to agree! And I'm 'in to' motor-racing!

Didn't 'Zee German' do something like that before to keep his place????

He's a cheat.

What annoys me is that,so it seems,no-body has the balls to challenge him!
Not the drivers,press,or the regulators of the sport.

[MidgetMoose]

I also would like to give him the benefit of the doubt as he is a legned, But have you watched the replay? he locked his wheels and tried to turn under no great stress. Then he went straight to the point where he couldn't get round at a slow spped then tried to turn the corner.

In short he stopped Alonso getting a certain pole on the circuit where it is most influential to the race... Did you see the press conference after MS looked very humble and sheepish, Alonso on the other hand was furious.

[MidgetMoose]

Just checked BBC website before i retire (dont want to get soaked on the way to work tommrow :))

he's been stripped of his time starting fromback of grid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5023004.stm

[pegasus]

wether people like it or not MS is one of the greatest drivers the world has ever seen, i think his achievents will remain legendary.
btw i am by no means a schuey/ferrari fan, but doesnt the guy deserve some sort of respect for what he has achieved, being at the top of his game for quite some time now, granted what i saw today a was pretty poor show considering his previous standards, but all the negative vibes on this thread seem to stem from a personal hatred of the guy, i suppose thats human nature to shun whoever is on top....
personally i think the track stewards should have done something about it immediately.

anyway this is only my almost too humble opinion and not worth a jot

[Supervox]

wether people like it or not MS is one of the greatest drivers the world has ever seen, i think his achievents will remain legendary.
btw i am by no means a schuey/ferrari fan, but doesnt the guy deserve some sort of respect for what he has achieved, being at the top of his game for quite some time now, granted what i saw today a was pretty poor show considering his previous standards, but all the negative vibes on this thread seem to stem from a personal hatred of the guy, i suppose thats human nature to shun whoever is on top....
personally i think the track stewards should have done something about it immediately.

anyway this is only my almost too humble opinion and not worth a jot

Sorry Pete, have to disagree.

His entire career has been built on his & Ferrari's ability to bully, cheat & intimidate other drivers & teams with (until now anyway) impunity.

There is no doubt that he's a talented driver - but a legend ???

NO WAY !!

[Jelster]

Legend ?

I'd like to think that if I had that sort of talent that I'd make it on my terms, not sell your soul to the higest bidder, with the most influence in the sport, and be part of the team with the best car; and still be the preferred driver....

Let's be honest, the guy is good, but with that sort of help what do you expect ?

He's also a cheating bastid, yesterday is only one of a number of "issues" involving MS.

.

[Peter Henry]

You know fellas I might be the voice in the wilderness here, and admit to not having in depth knowledge of MS's successes and tomfoolery. However to completely write his career off as nothing more than blatant cheating and dirty tricks is so very, very wrong.

I too have often found him insuferable yet oddly I have warmed to him a little this year. Particularly when listening to the post race interviews in which he displayed eloquence and the upmost sportsmanship when having been beaten by Fernando.

I was also impressed how he and Ferrari turned the whole thing around to win a couple of races also.

But I do agree he is despite what his record says, definitely not an Ayrton Senna,(who yes was not afraid to pull off questionable manouvres) he was able due to an amazing gift....to win races and championships in what was admitted to not be anywhere near the best car.

[medwaysv]

everyone knows MS is a cheat...remember the year he was competing with damon hill for the championship? and conveniatly accidently drove into him and wrecked hills car...only to win the championship
for a man whos supposed not to make mistakes...he makes some classic mistakes when it serves his purpose.








btw still dissapointed at the honda/button performance :cry:

[keithd]

Ok so a little bit of journalistic license with the tabloid like headline! :wink:

But what does anyone who saw the qualifying for the F1 GP in Monaco think about the shenanigans with the Ferrari of MS? I think MS is a brilliant champ and a very decent person but Favio Briatore of Renault does not presently think so!

Ok so MS locks up and leaves his car in a position where it can easilly be seen by other drivers, but will also make them back off the gas a little. All of this in the dying seconds of qualifying and so a possible under handed way to protect your pole position from someone who is very possibly going to take it from you!

Remember how crucial pole is at Monaco where passing moves are largely impossible.

What you reckon then folks? Fair or foul?

not with you on that scvore i'm afraid peter. can never forgive the guy for intentionally (pretty much his words i believe) carving damon hill up to deny him (damons) chance to win the world title.

playing devil's advocate now tho - if one of our boys did it would we be chuckling under our breath saying "nice one..!"....?

[Peter Henry]

Keith...I have mentioned that I do not have total recall of all of Michael's antics. However yes you have reminded me of the Damon one which I completely agree was very sh*tty! :?

[Supervox]

Keith...I have mentioned that I do not have total recall of all of Michael's antics. However yes you have reminded me of the Damon one which I completely agree was very sh*tty! :?

Do you also recall when he TRIED to do the exact same thing in the exact same situation with Villeneuve ?

Or how about when he was given a 'drive-through' penalty which he was allowed to do AFTER he'd crossed the finish line ??

Or the debacle with the oversize running deflecting boards ? Once again, Ferrari manged to escape any penalty

Or how about MS's startline tactics of deliberately sitting on the line at an angle to drive straight across his front row opponent. He REALLY got the ache when people copied his idea - he started bleating that it wasn't fair & was just plain dangerous (except when he did it - that wasall right apparently) ?

Would you like any more ??

[keithd]

i'm with you peter, i dont have knowledge of his career at my fingertips, just going on that one incident. i'll not deny he's an awesome driver and i'd definately never say all his career has been down to cheating and down right boschness, his ability in the rain cannot be questioned, head shoulders waist and thighs above anybody else in the wet stuff

[pegasus]

this is turning into quite a debate...listen as i said im not a fan of his but im afraid he is a legend and that is a fact....7 times champ means that in 30 years time when our grandkids or great grandkids are looking at facts to see who the best of the best was guess whos name is going to be up there or around there ......yep schuey.

As far as bullying is concerned i think you might be misinterpreting what is passion and a compulsion to win albeit at any costs but isnt that what differentiates between a champion and 2nd place...lets not forget that at the end of the day schumacher is an employee and does what he is told to do to the best of his abilities with the goods given to him...just 1 last thing if the best car and best team is the main factor of his championship wins then what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

[fizzwheel]

Pressure... Pressure.. Pressure

We've seen these kind of tactic's from Schumacher when he's under pressure becasuse his car isnt the best one or he has another driver behind him and he knows the other driver is quicker. When he's under pressure he does daft stuff like this.

[Scooby Drew]

what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

I think that Barichello once descibed driving in a team with MS as being beaten around the head with a bat :lol:

[tomjones2]

what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

I think that Barichello once descibed driving in a team with MS as being beaten around the head with a bat :lol:

I doubt they had the the two drivers mentioned did have the same resources, as far as i'm aware micheal always had the latest stuff and the other driver often get sent out of data colletion runs that allow micheal mechaincanics to set up his car better (this is still happening to massa at the moment), in a sport where 10ths is what it all about tiny changes make a real diffrecnce.

No doubting micheal's talent, he is an incredibley talented driver i just feel his career has been somewhat tarished by what is othen percived to be cheating. The damon hill incident was particually unsporting.

But at the end of the day thats part of the reason why he is 7 and not 4 or 5 times world champ.

Just glad that were not going to have to watch him conduct his national athem :D

[Vfr400]

While there is no doubting Micheal Schumacher's talent he wasn't much good last year was he? I think that highlights more than ever that its no good being the best in the world if the so called 'package' isn't up to it. My feeling is that any of the top drivers in the last seven years would have won the Championship if they were driving the same car as Schumacher. Ms has never really had a driver of similar capability and standing in the same team aka Senna& Prost at Maclaren or Prost and Mansell at Ferrari. Where i do acknowledge MS is the master is in changeable conditions when its neither wet or dry. I would imagine that at their peak in the same car Senna, Prost and probably Mansell would show MS the way home.
the question now is how do you rate the dominance of Schumacher and Rossi in there respective sports for me Rossi's is the greater feat as more of his competitors have been on machinery equal to his own.

chris

[Supervox]

. . . what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

Don't forget that Eddie would have been World Champion for Ferrari (before MS) if the pitcrew hadn't messed up his final pitstop (forget the exact year - but it was when MS broke his leg early in the season).

One report I read on this from an ex-Ferrari mechanic stated that the pitcrew deliberately messed up on orders from Jean Todt so as not to destroy the image being built up around MS.

[pegasus]

. . . what about Eddie Irvine or Rubens Barichello they had the same resources but amounted to pretty much nothing.......which will spark of another debate about team orders :lol: :lol:

Don't forget that Eddie would have been World Champion for Ferrari (before MS) if the pitcrew hadn't messed up his final pitstop (forget the exact year - but it was when MS broke his leg early in the season).

One report I read on this from an ex-Ferrari mechanic stated that the pitcrew deliberately messed up on orders from Jean Todt so as not to destroy the image being built up around MS.

jonathon you know i respect your opinions and hopefully you respect mine, its obvious that you dont like the guy and no matter what i say you will still feel the same way, ........but........, can you 100% seriously say that Irvine was a better driver/racer than MS....be honest...lets not forget the Benneton years. :lol: :lol:
btw say hi to mrs vox & the boys

[Supervox]

No, I can't say that EI was a better driver than MS - & you're quite right I REALLY don't like MS at all !!

I guess I can sum it up by saying that of course MS is a talented driver - but with all the help that he's received over the years from Ferrari (especially Jean Todt & Ross Brawn) & with all the help (if only by doing nothing) that he & Ferrari have had from the FIA & The Poison Dwarf (aka Bernie Ecclestone) I'm only surprised that anyone else at all was allowed to win a single race !!

Yes, unfortunately all the history book will show is that he won 7 World Championships - but I hope that truly interested persons will then research further & discover HOW he won them & the forces that prevailed within F1 at the time.

As an aside, according to Martin Brundle the word from the F1 paddock is that MS could well be asked to stand down from his position as Chairman of the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association) because of his actions on Saturday.

[Filipe M.]

No, I can't say that EI was a better driver than MS - & you're quite right I REALLY don't like MS at all !!

I guess I can sum it up by saying that of course MS is a talented driver - but with all the help that he's received over the years from Ferrari (especially Jean Todt & Ross Brawn) & with all the help (if only by doing nothing) that he & Ferrari have had from the FIA & The Poison Dwarf (aka Bernie Ecclestone) I'm only surprised that anyone else at all was allowed to win a single race !!

Yes, unfortunately all the history book will show is that he won 7 World Championships - but I hope that truly interested persons will then research further & discover HOW he won them & the forces that prevailed within F1 at the time.

As an aside, according to Martin Brundle the word from the F1 paddock is that MS could well be asked to stand down from his position as Chairman of the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association) because of his actions on Saturday.

As much as I don't like his attitudes, I must concede one thing. Regularity. He's the kind of race driver that doesn't need to be "in the mood", he just delivers when it's needed, and Nurburgring proved it once again, during the laps preceding the second pit stop; as good as his strategy was (and Ross Brawn really excels in this), it would be worth nothing without a cold-headed driver like Schumacher. Alonso pulls in the pits, Shumacher needs to pull out a series of cannon laps, and he simply does it, making it look effortless, without a single screw-up. Not all racers can do this (a spanish bloke called Gibernau springs to mind :wink: ). Not to mention his fifth place finish this very weekend. No sheer ammount of help could have pulled that one out, not without being even more blatant than the Saturday stunt.

As for the qualifying, I wasn't watching when it happened, but when I was told he missed the corner I instantly thought "there he goes again... :roll: ". That's how obvious it was. :roll:

[kwak zzr]

never liked him since the D HILL conflict years ago, He is a bl@@dy cheat! time to say bye bye me thinks :wink:

[Sid Squid]

Distinctly foul, and worse as it's so blatant.

How arrogant are Ferrari and Cobbler? It's too late anyway, the FIA have managed to damage F1, possibly irrepairably, by their sycophantic treatment of both the above.