Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq

[akbarhussain]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5058304.stm

lol at 'The leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq'. Just lol.

[Moo]

A sad loss some where.

[Richie]

That will put the Cat amongst the Pigeons...

[Viney]

'sup Akbar. I hope that you are well.

AS for him...well, will this be an end to it? I always thought that Ossy was the head of Al-quieda

[timwilky]

OK he got his martyrdom and has now got his virgins.

The problem being that you cannot simply cut off the head and expect the body to die. They tend to thrash about a bit first, so expect even more atrocities to be committed in that poor country before it sees peace

[rpwoodman]

It would be good if this did calm things down a bit - one does get the impression that there is a certain degree of incitement going on over there, and that's without the American soldiers showing ignorance to the locals (no offence to the US users of the site).

Does anyone know how the rebuilding effort is going? Some time ago, I saw that lots of people don't have decent water supplies or sewerage facilitys, but it wasn't getting rebuilt because it was too dangerous. I wonder if that's changed. People may be happier with the troops being there if they could see things getting better for them and their children.

[Demonz]

Loved this quote "The prime minister urged Iraqis to join politcal dialogue rather than violence, vowing to "carry on on the same path... by killing all the terrorists".

[akbarhussain]

Hello Viney, i'm very well thankyou. Hope you're all good!

TBH, I don't believe that the loss of this guy is in any way going to affect the situation in Iraq. Me thinks the whole 'leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq' is a bit of campaign to involve people in the whole terrorist threat campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html

I really don't buy the 'we've liberated Iraq for the people, now we just need to get rid of these few terrorists that are wreaking havoc'. Apparently, around 1000 Iraqi civilians are dying each month in the violence. How are 1000 civilains even involved in the violence each month if they are happy with the new liberated Iraq?

That'll be the Iranian backed terrorists creating the havoc then, lol.

[tricky]

Apparently the contracts for "Rebuilding Iraq" where in place with US companies long before any US soldiers set foot in the country. :roll:

[akbarhussain]

Tricky, I think you're right....... probably September 12th 2001 :lol:

[Spiderman]

Tricky, I think you're right....... probably September 12th 2001 :lol:

Dont be so silly Akbar! Why be so full of silly notions.

It was clearly september 10th 2001. Forward thinking and all that :lol:

[akbarhussain]

Dont be so silly Akbar! Why be so full of silly notions.

It was clearly september 10th 2001. Forward thinking and all that

lol Spiderman, I don't doubt it :lol:

[Balky001]

Akbar, that's an interesting Washington Post article. I too believe al-Zarqawi's death will have little impact on peace although may fuel a few angry demo's/acts. The only path to freedom for the Iraqi people is funding, rebuilding and true empowerment. That may be a long way off.

1000 people are killed every month, that's over 30 a day every single day, month on month. It must affect almost every family there

[akbarhussain]

The only path to freedom for the Iraqi people is funding, rebuilding and true empowerment. That may be a long way off.

I agree Balky, but for this to realise I feel that 'true empowerment' will come only from true self-rule. And I can't see this ever happening now.

The artcile from Washington Post I feel really backs up what is happening - the US are still using Iraq to further their own aims throughout the world i.e. linking Iraq to Al Queda (which they tried to do before WMD, but were laughed out of the playground) and keep the terrorist threat alive.


1000 people are killed every month, that's over 30 a day every single day, month on month. It must affect almost every family there

Honeslty, it sickens me. 1000 people dying every month, and yet we are still being force fed the same garbage about 'pockets of resistance' and 'small minority of insurgents' that are causing the problem.

1000 dying every month - who are the terrorists again???

[Akula]

Their was a tv prog on last week looking at the rebuilding of Iraq, and the contractors carrying out the work. I was DISGUSTED and dismayed at the quality of work or lack of it being carried out. Not just U.S contractors but Danes, Brits, countries from all over the world Reaping the HUGE profits and basically jerry building, poor workmanship and quality of materials. Unfortunately alot of it is also Red Tape. I really do feel for the innocents caught up in this.

Ohh btw glad hes been bumped off, but prob wont make any difference.

[akbarhussain]

Wonder if he is really dead and buried this time...... or just more lies and propaganda. Funny how these 'good news /feel good factor' reports all seem to come when GW's popularity is low. Hmmmmm:

Nov. 20, 2005 18:45 | Updated Nov. 20, 2005 21:01 Report: al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Mosul (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475588009&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

Cleric says al-Zarqawi died long ago :Saturday 17 September 2005 (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73570F02-EA07-492F-9E04-C080950DF180.htm)

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Matador:May 11, 2005 (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/05/abu_musab_al-zarqawi_killed_in_matador/)

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Falluja:November 08, 2004 (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/11-08d-04.asp)

AL-ZARQAWI DIED ON FRIDAY:02-Jun-05 13:36 (http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.173437230&par=0)

[Ed]

I have mixed feelings on this. State executions are never an answer to anything. I passionately abhor the so-called 'death penalty'. But I can't help but feel that the world is a better place without some people, this man included. Whether it will calm the situation in Iraq - well, who knows.

[sharriso74]

I have mixed feelings on this. State executions are never an answer to anything. I passionately abhor the so-called 'death penalty'. But I can't help but feel that the world is a better place without some people, this man included. Whether it will calm the situation in Iraq - well, who knows.

Agreed bombing millitant leaders has worked oh so well in Palestine hasn't it.

[akbarhussain]

Do people really believe that al-Zarqawi is responsible for everything that has been laid at his feet in Iraq?

I agree, the guy is probably not the friendliest person you could ever meet and i'm sure he has done some bad things. But do people really believe that he is a Terrorist mastermind working to defeat the infidels of the west as the majority of news reports spell out?

It is quite convinient that this fits in nicely with GW's war on Terror (Al Qaeda in Iraq, lol). Remember those stories (that again, have since being proven fictisious) of how 99.9% of the insurgents were foreigners, attempting to overthrow the peaceful Iraqi government? Seriously, its quite laughable.

[gudster]

good riddance to barbaric scum

[Peter Henry]

Ignore the politics,forget the religion, forget the reasons why.

The amount of wanton loss of life,(the majority of whom it seems are innocents) is a total disgrace to mankind. :?

[akbarhussain]

Ignore the politics,forget the religion, forget the reasons why.

The amount of wanton loss of life,(the majority of whom it seems are innocents) is a total disgrace to mankind.

I agree with you whole heartedly Peter Henry.

good riddance to barbaric scum

No, it was Zarqawi that is meant to have died, not GW.

[sharriso74]

GW is just a puppet

http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/images.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/photo_hosting.html)

[akbarhussain]

GW is just a puppet

Correct. But still part of the barbaric, terrorist scum.

[gudster]

No, it was Zarqawi that is meant to have died, not GW.

typical anti-amerikkkan L3 moonbattery.
moral equivocation of the highest order.
you could be watching too much BBC news/reading too much independent/guardian, my friend.
GW was voted in as leader of the most libertarian nation on earth... and the democrats may get in next time , if thats what the ppl prefer.
get over yourself.

[lukemillar]

GW is just a puppet

Correct. But still part of the barbaric, terrorist scum.

My girlfriend and I drove across the States last year. Aside form being an amazing trip, it was a real eye opener, especially middle America. Being British, we were always very welcome and people were friendly, though inevitably the war in Iraq always cropped up in conversation (esp. since the Tube bombings had happened a week earlier), and were surprised how pro war people were/are.

We got talking to this one kid in Kansas about the the situation, who came up with the line:

"I don't know why they can't stop bombing everyone and just sort their own country out"

Both Kate and I thought, at last, someone with some sanity (we thought he was talking about USA!) :lol: Though rather worringly he wasn't :?

One other thing......Fox News WTF!!! :shock: The rather shocking blend of biased news and entertainment. Many a time did I want to lob the TV out the window. If people watch this sh*t then you begin to understand why peoples opinions are like they are.

[Jabba]

Religeon and Politics in the same thread :smt014

[akbarhussain]

typical anti-amerikkkan L3 moonbattery.
moral equivocation of the highest order.
you could be watching too much BBC news/reading too much independent/guardian, my friend.
GW was voted in as leader of the most libertarian nation on earth... and the democrats may get in next time , if thats what the ppl prefer.


Hahahahahhahahahahaha!!! You're trolling right?



get over yourself.

Ok, but only when you learn to think for yourself.

[gudster]

[quote]Correct. But still part of the barbaric, terrorist scum.

...or am i to understand that you aint some leftwing-liberal moonbat, but rather that your loyalties actually lie with the Ummah ?
.... either way,... anything other than democratic Western Civilization.

[akbarhussain]

or am i to understand that you aint some leftwing-liberal moonbat, but rather that your loyalties actually lie with the Ummah ?
.... either way,... anything other than democratic Western Civilization.

I don't particularly like what you're implying there. Although it did take me a while to decipher your collection of words.

You do realise that the US is the biggest offendor in the world when it comes to state sponsored terrorism don't you?

[Peter Henry]

I just know this thread is gonna turn all nasty........ :?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I just know this thread is gonna turn all nasty........ :?

*Steals PHs cookies*

[akbarhussain]

I just know this thread is gonna turn all nasty........

Lol Peter Henry...... some people do struggle to keep things civil.

Although Gudster may be some time returning. Apparently he's gone off looking for WMD im Iraq.
:wink:

[Peter Henry]

FS wrote:

*Steals PHs cookies*

What did I tell you!! :? :?

[gudster]

Hahahahahhahahahahaha!!! You're trolling right?

Ok, but only when you learn to think for yourself.

Perhaps youre the one with the anti-US groupthink mindset.

[The Basket]

Wow...SV650.org solves the world's probs.

Not bad for a little Suzuki V-twin.

[gudster]

Although Gudster may be some time returning. Apparently he's gone off looking for WMD im Iraq.


sorry to disappoint you.
no need to look for WMDs... likely that all went to Syria.

Keep on with the smug cliches, won't ya?

[Filipe M.]

*grabs popcorn, invites Peter Henry, and sits back watching until someone locks the thread*

[The Basket]

*grabs popcorn, invites Peter Henry, and sits back watching until someone locks the thread*

Just say Hull KR 3 times and Peter Henry will appear.

[Peter Henry]

Filipe...Ok I have a handful, let's play 3 pointer basketball shots in to the mouth. Your turn first! :P

[tricky]

We knew that Iraq did have WMD's because we kept a copy of the reciept :wink:

[Filipe M.]

Filipe...Ok I have a handful, let's play 3 pointer basketball shots in to the mouth. Your turn first! :P

Nah, never been good at that kind of thing, I'd rather relax and munch away quietly :P

[DanDare]

GW is just a puppet

http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/images.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/photo_hosting.html)

Who's GW???????? :? :? :? :?

[tricky]

GW is just a puppet

http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/images.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/photo_hosting.html)

Who's GW???????? :? :? :? :?

George Washington ? :wink:

[DanDare]

GW is just a puppet

http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/images.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/355292/photo_hosting.html)

Who's GW???????? :? :? :? :?

George Washington ? :wink:


He's been gone for a while now and the poor bloke still gets the blame!

[akbarhussain]

lol at 'likely went to syria'. Are you sure about that, seems like Iran is on the calendar next, followed by Syria next year.

Seriously though, why is it the people that follow and believe the official line have nothing more than 'likely' to backup their arguments with?

Have you ever watched anything other than Fox?

Keep on with the smug cliches, won't ya?

Are you able to offer any kind of backup to what your saying.... you know, like articles from newspapers etc? I so far have been able to.

Hows about this, if you would like to try and educate yourself on the subject a little further other than what is on the back of your cornflakes packet, then feel free to ask any question you like. I can't gaurentee an answer, but will do my best to help you and produce some reference material to back it up with. That way, you won't have to go round forums sounding like a moron from now on.

I'm here all afternoon.... :D

[akbarhussain]

We knew that Iraq did have WMD's because we kept a copy of the reciept

lol, Tricky is correct.

Funny how WMD for Iraq is ok when they're fighting our sworn enemy the Iranians. But when we need their oil, Saddam suddenly becomes a baby eating tyrant. Well, not very funny actually, but you see what I mean.

[Peter Henry]

oh boy someone just lobbed a hand grenade right in the middle of the thread....dives for cover! :P

Hows about this, if you would like to try and educate yourself on the subject a little further other than what is on the back of your cornflakes packet, then feel free to ask any question you like. I can't gaurentee an answer, but will do my best to help you and produce some reference material to back it up with. That way, you won't have to go round forums sounding like a moron from now on.

[gudster]

I don't particularly like what you're implying there. Although it did take me a while to decipher your collection of words.

You do realise that the US is the biggest offendor in the world when it comes to state sponsored terrorism don't you?

ooh!.. call the peecee cops.
..... I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to be offended.

what Alice-in-Wonderland are you livng in?
If USA is 'worst' country in the world, my god, what does that say for the rest?
Get some perspective.
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags. No? Surprise me.

[The Basket]

Saddam was always a baby eating tyrant. Tactics see?

But didn't Saudi and Kuwait give huge bags of cash to Saddam to fight Iran?

A reason he invaded Kuwait is so he didn't have to repay the loans.

[Peter Henry]

Gudster wrote:
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags.

No but thrusting the likes of David Haselhof on an unsuspecting world, ranks very badly! :P

[DanDare]

Gudster wrote:
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags.

No but thrusting the likes of David Haselhof on an unsuspecting world, ranks very badly! :P :winner:

Oh and Steven Seagal

[Filipe M.]

Gudster wrote:
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags.

No but thrusting the likes of David Haselhof on an unsuspecting world, ranks very badly! :P :winner:

Oh and Steven Seagal

8-[ and Chuck Norris? 8-[

[gudster]

Are you able to offer any kind of backup to what your saying.... you know, like articles from newspapers etc? I so far have been able to.

Hows about this, if you would like to try and educate yourself on the subject a little further other than what is on the back of your cornflakes packet, then feel free to ask any question you like. I can't gaurentee an answer, but will do my best to help you and produce some reference material to back it up with. That way, you won't have to go round forums sounding like a moron from now on.

I'm here all afternoon.... :D

I very much doubt that all the evidence in the world would be enough to convince a person such as your smug-faced self,.. so i shant waste my time collecting links & references for your benefit.
If you really wanted to educate yourself away from your cliched mindset, theres enough info out there on the web.
When it comes to the crunch, i dont give jack-**** bout whether you agree or disagree. So long as i am able to express my opinion without coersion, that'll do me. Unfortunately, i fear theres many on 'your side' who would attempt to deny me that.
Tell me, wont you,... as a small digression...how did you feel bout the Danish MoToons, or the Salman Rushdie affair?

[Peter Henry]

The gas has certainly been turned up a touch right there.......

[Biker Biggles]

Honour is satisfied as the Al Quaeda thug is now dead.Won't solve anything of course,so lets get the troops out now.It was an illegal war,and is now an impossible "nation building "fiasco doomed to bloody failure.I'd rather we did'nt condemn any more of our own people to die there,and for what?So the next despot can take over whoever that may be.
As for the oil,if we spent half as much on developing alternative sources of supply and energy as we do on trying to dominate the middle east we could afford to ignore them and their mediaeval kingdoms.

[DanDare]

[/quote]


Tell me, wont you,... as a small digression...how did you feel bout the Danish MoToons, or the Salman Rushdie affair?[/quote]

Salman Rushdie had an affair, blimey there all at it! :wink: :lol:

What's the Danish MoToons???? :? :?

[lukemillar]

Gudster wrote:
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags.

No but thrusting the likes of David Haselhof on an unsuspecting world, ranks very badly! :P :winner:

Oh and Steven Seagal

8-[ and Chuck Norris? 8-[

Whoa there!

Hasselhoff granted, Seagal - I can see where you're coming from, but The Norris!? No f in way!! And if anyone brings Vin Diesel into this............ :D

[Biker Biggles]

Scandinavian version of Tamla Motoon?
Sagas with natural rythummmm and AAAAAAtttitude.

[gudster]

[quote]




What's the Danish MoToons???? :? :?

wassup with you people??
aint you heard of GOOGLE? :shock:

ok for the hard of thinking... i refer to the Mohammed Cartoons published in a Danish newspaper last september2005..., resulting, in february2006 (after a good few months of imam rabble-rousing ) in the worlwide riots/deaths.

[Ed]

Funny how WMD for Iraq is ok when they're fighting our sworn enemy the Iranians. But when we need their oil, Saddam suddenly becomes a baby eating tyrant. Well, not very funny actually, but you see what I mean.

Oh no not war for oil again. I think that that was discredited aeons ago :roll:

[DanDare]

[quote]




What's the Danish MoToons???? :? :?

wassup with you people??
aint you heard of GOOGLE? :shock:

ok for the hard of thinking... i refer to the Mohammed Cartoons published in a Danish newspaper last september2005..., resulting, in february2006 (after a good few months of imam rabble-rousing ) in the worlwide riots/deaths.

Whoa! Chill Dude, I was only asking. :o

[gudster]

[quote]

Whoa! Chill Dude, I was only asking. :o


sorry mate!.. wasnt meant to sound that snappy..
no offence intended there
:)

[akbarhussain]

very much doubt that all the evidence in the world would be enough to convince a person such as your smug-faced self,.. so i shant waste my time collecting links & references for your benefit.
If you really wanted to educate yourself away from your cliched mindset, theres enough info out there on the web.
When it comes to the crunch, i dont give jack-sh*t bout whether you agree or disagree. So long as i am able to express my opinion without coersion, that'll do me. Unfortunately, i fear theres many on 'your side' who would attempt to deny me that.
Tell me, wont you,... as a small digression...how did you feel bout the Danish MoToons, or the Salman Rushdie affair?

Smug faced??? Oh really, now i'm offended.

lol at there been enough info on the web. Ok, i'll nrrow it down for you. Please can you educate me as to how Al Qaeda are linked to Iraq. Thankyou.

TBH, I really didn't feel too much about the MoToons or Salman Rushdie. WHy do you think I would?

[akbarhussain]

Oh no not war for oil again. I think that that was discredited aeons ago

lol, i must have missed this discreditation - would you mind pinting me in the rigth direction? thnaks.

[DanDare]

No offence taken dude. :D

Its all good! 8) 8) 8)

[Ed]

Oh no not war for oil again. I think that that was discredited aeons ago

lol, i must have missed this discreditation - would you mind pinting me in the rigth direction? thnaks.

Surely for the claimant to prove. No case made out as AFAIK.

[akbarhussain]

lol @ making a statement that contradicts mine but not being able to back it up. Just admit you thought wrong, theres a good lad.

So the war wasn't about Terrorism.

Or about WMD.

Or about liberating the Iraqi people.

Or about not killing the Iraqi people.

I wonder what else the motivation could have beeen then? :?

[gudster]

[quote]

lol at there been enough info on the web. Ok, i'll nrrow it down for you. Please can you educate me as to how Al Qaeda are linked to Iraq. Thankyou.

TBH, I really didn't feel too much about the MoToons or Salman Rushdie. WHy do you think I would?

why cant you just look up this stuff for yourself??
theres tons of it out there, just as im sure theres tons of stuff supporting your POV.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
http://www.nysun.com/article/29746

...which leads me to your 2nd point.
the reason i ask, is because behind all this US good/ US bad crap, lies a 'meta-context'.
its your underlying philosophy. That which underpins your surface arguments.
That is why your views on something so simple as Motoons/Rushdie might be enlightening as to your more basic stance relative to mine.

[Spiderman]

Oh no not war for oil again. I think that that was discredited aeons ago

lol, i must have missed this discreditation - would you mind pinting me in the rigth direction? thnaks.

Surely for the claimant to prove. No case made out as AFAIK.

Ed, you really need to watch farenheit 9/11 for a very good brief explanation of the plans made by various american firms to get an oil pipeline out of Iraq thru Afganistan and one of the first things the new puppet govt of Afganistan did was to sign the contract to allow it. The Taliban refused to sign it you see.

Dont even get me started on how dry the US's own oilfields are and how they are desperate for oil to continue to trade in USD as opposed to the Euro as this would further de-stabilise the USD.

BTW, i'm not saying that F 9/11 is a document of fact, in fact a lot of the more subtle points in it actualy back up the Bush govts lies but in certain parts there are truths to be found.

[akbarhussain]

Bwahahahahahahah!!!!

Your seriously offering articles referencing US administration sources for backing up your argument??

Why not try reading some books by people that are considered to be experts in their field, noam chomsky for example. He has his own website, so you could have a read to verify his credentials.

That is why your views on something so simple as Motoons/Rushdie might be enlightening as to your more basic stance relative to mine.

Ok, but why those subjects?

[sharriso74]

Surely if it was just oil it'd be a lot less costly to drop the trade embargo against Cuba and prospect the oil reserves there. Which China are now doing trying to tie up future resources. Ok the reservers in Cuban waters is more costly and technicaly difficult to extract than those in Iraq.

[akbarhussain]

Surely if it was just oil it'd be a lot less costly to drop the trade embargo against Cuba and prospect the oil reserves there. Which China are now doing trying to tie up future resources. Ok the reservers in Cuban waters is more costly and technicaly difficult to extract than those in Iraq.

How much would it cost to extract oil from Cuba?

Iraq is a strategic target also. I did mention that next to my comment about oil.

[sharriso74]

It would be expensive to extract however the benefit of having reserves close to the mainland and in a stable region would surely be a positive.

I don't believe oil was the reason for the invasion it's just bank rolling the fiasco

[akbarhussain]

I thought that was why the French wree branded Traitors though? I mean, the only reason they didn't want war was because of the oil contracts they had to be torn up. Oil contracts I might mention, that were dealt in Euros, not USD.

ANd what was the first thing that happened after the war? Hmmm, contracts ripped up, re-assigned to US companies, dealing in USD.

So I wonder why all the current pressure on Iran over WMD? They wouldn't be sonsidering dealin in Euros for there oil from now on would they?

[gudster]

Bwahahahahahahah!!!!

Your seriously offering articles referencing US administration sources for backing up your argument??

Why not try reading some books by people that are considered to be experts in their field, noam chomsky for example. He has his own website, so you could have a read to verify his credentials.

That is why your views on something so simple as Motoons/Rushdie might be enlightening as to your more basic stance relative to mine.

Ok, but why those subjects?

LOLOLOL
Noam Chomsky = God of Anti-US Loony Liberal Left.
LOLOLOL
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
yeah, thanks for that potential source of moonbat wisdom... i'd never have thought of that one....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


was just tryin to narrow down your position.
whether you anti-US based on ummah-hood, or on L3.
but now i know.
thanks anyway.
theres no reason for me to communicate further on this matter.
thanks for your input.
regards
Gudster

[akbarhussain]

lol @ Noam Chomsky being anti US - he is an American.

Who told you that..... it wasn't Donald Rumsfeld was it?

[akbarhussain]

ANd as a point of interest, I don't think I said that I agreed with his views..... just that you should try and eductae yourself.

[UlsterSV]

I'm glad he's dead, but it'll only get worse.

We're not there for oil.

We're not there for WMD.

We're not there to liberate the Iraqi people.

Continue the retreat to Afghanistan! Out out out!

As a wee favour to our soldiers, maybe we could start some **** over here and give the British Army a reason to pull out and relocate here. After all, The Twelfth is nearly here and we might need a few thousand troops at Drumcree. And we haven't barbarically mutilated or beheaded anyone in years. Honest! :lol:

[northwind]

If USA is 'worst' country in the world, my god, what does that say for the rest?
Get some perspective.


Were you deliberately misunderstanding? He said the US is the worst when it comes to state-sponsored terrorism. This, you are going to have no luck arguing against. Or are you forgetting who created Al Quada and the Taliban? :roll: But that was OK, because that was state-sponsored terrorism against the reds and their allies, and could never impact the west, could it?

No doubt this gets me labelled a pinko commie jew.

[sharriso74]

They weren't terrorists until they turned on their masters

[akbarhussain]

Were you deliberately misunderstanding?

lol, I presumed he was, but to be fair, I quite enjoyed his trolling, errrrr, comments.

Ya pinko commie jew :wink:

[Supervox]

Whatever the rights & wrongs of the conflict (isn't the WAR actually over - I think the Iraqi forces actually surrendered) in Iraq; whatever the situation regarding WMD (& yes, we know that they DID have them at one time 'cos we sold them to them). whether or not it's all about commercial contracts . . .

. . . the bottom line is that the strong will ALWAYS take advantage of the weak for gain - we (us Brits) (along with the French, Germans & even the flippin' BELGIANS !!) did it for 300yrs (just think of how the Carribbean, India, Southern Africa, etc, etc was exploited) & now it's the Yanks turn as the only 'Superpower' left - although they'll get some competition once the Chinese really get their act together !!

And as an aside to Gudster who posted
Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags
Didn't most of the 'Free World' condemn the Gulags ? Are you saying that it's OK for the US to indulge in a little bit of abuse here & there but it wasn't OK for the Soviets ??

[Anonymous]

....do you know, I once paid good money to maintain a MOTORCYCLING forum. If I really wanted the Guardian and Al-jazeera, I would pay for that too.

But I don't.

[Peter Henry]

El Boc....That was indeed a back handed slap with velvetted glove! :wink:

You should be hanging out(fnaaar) on my BBQ thread. :wink:

[northwind]

....do you know, I once paid good money to maintain a MOTORCYCLING forum. If I really wanted the Guardian and Al-jazeera, I would pay for that too.

But I don't.

I wonder if you're aware there's a whole load of bike-related topics going on? No offence meant here, but did you click on a thread called "Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq" on the assumption that it would be about bikes? :)

[Supervox]

....do you know, I once paid good money to maintain a MOTORCYCLING forum. If I really wanted the Guardian and Al-jazeera, I would pay for that too.

But I don't.

Please note that this section is called IDLE BANTER - ie not motorcycle related !!

Perhaps you should request that your donation be spent only on areas of the site that you feel are worthwhile ? :wink: :D

[gudster]

Were you deliberately misunderstanding? He said the US is the worst when it comes to state-sponsored terrorism. This, you are going to have no luck arguing against. Or are you forgetting who created Al Quada and the Taliban? :roll: But that was OK, because that was state-sponsored terrorism against the reds and their allies, and could never impact the west, could it?

hmmm.. all US SST (according to Wiki) against Cuba, USSR, NorthKorea, prewar Iraq.

= free west vs malignant dictatorships.. in essence.

compare&contrast with....
http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/st_terror/State_t.htm

and theres me thinking that AQ & taliban were islamist organizations.
d'oh...forgets that they mustve been solely created by the CIA.
hey i wish i could be an insider to all this conspiracy too.
:roll:
will havta watch the same 'Power of Nightmares' propaganda that you seem to be feeding off... then maybe i can join your gang?
the Soviets were a more pressing danger, and required all the opposition that could be found, even the mujhadeen in afghanistan.
why should that influence any assessment now though, in the light of the past 15yrs of history??

No doubt this gets me labelled a pinko commie jew.
if you say so.

[quote]
lol, I presumed he was, but to be fair, I quite enjoyed his trolling, errrrr, comments.


...so someone who disagrees with your dogma is a troll??
cant tolerate an alternative opinion??
methinks you may be one self-righteous mutha. (but i could be wrong)

[quote]Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags
Are you saying that it's OK for the US to indulge in a little bit of abuse here & there but it wasn't OK for the Soviets ??
No.
But neither is it worse/equivalent to the scale of the horrors of the soviet regime

[Jabba]

did you click on a thread called "Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq" on the assumption that it would be about bikes? :)

Well Lawrence of Arabia had one, so he could have had :roll:



:riding:

[Supervox]

Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags
Are you saying that it's OK for the US to indulge in a little bit of abuse here & there but it wasn't OK for the Soviets ??
No.
But neither is it worse/equivalent to the scale of the horrors of the soviet regime

OK, but surely it's worse or at best extremely hypocritical of the U.S. to indulge in things for which it denounced the Soviet Union ?

[Biker Biggles]

I misread it. I thought it said "My sad Aluminium Kawasaki skilled in Ironwork" I'm still reading through the thread to find the bit about my ZX9R though. :wink:

[gudster]

Im sure youre the type who agreed that US AbuGhraib scandal was worse than the Soviet Gulags
Are you saying that it's OK for the US to indulge in a little bit of abuse here & there but it wasn't OK for the Soviets ??
No.
But neither is it worse/equivalent to the scale of the horrors of the soviet regime

OK, but surely it's worse or at best extremely hypocritical of the U.S. to indulge in things for which it denounced the Soviet Union ?

the 'US' didnt.
some maverick 'grunts' did, and they got banged-up for it.

[Peter Henry]

A nation that has leaders who used the Marvel comics as their source of education, is going to have some rather odd ways of going about things I think. :wink:

[philipMac]

Fascinating and all as these events are, while I was shocked to read about them this morning, I was far more shocked when I saw this Korean chick this morning I had a crush on for ages. She used to be cute.

I mean, even my mate who normally places a moratorium on Asian chicks due to lack of assage thought was cute. She *used* to have the coolest japanese cute punky dress sense, cool hair, now she dresses LIKE A GROWN UP. Sensible brown shoes, nice
skirts. The works. I let a couple of sightings earlier in the week go as just her "having a bad day". But, there are only so many bad days I can make allowances for.


Gutted.

I just thought I would put all this "Middle East" stuff into perspective.

[Peter Henry]

Phil...I would have thought relieved fella? She could have carried out mentioned metamorphosis and still been your girl! :shock:

[northwind]

and theres me thinking that AQ & taliban were islamist organizations.
d'oh...forgets that they mustve been solely created by the CIA.
hey i wish i could be an insider to all this conspiracy too.
:

It's in public record from the CIA, you monkey.

[gudster]

and theres me thinking that AQ & taliban were islamist organizations.
d'oh...forgets that they mustve been solely created by the CIA.
hey i wish i could be an insider to all this conspiracy too.
:

It's in public record from the CIA, you monkey.


i know you are but what am i?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

care to link to that CIA 'fact' then, monkey?
i searched,, couldnt find owt.
perhaps you'll need to edit the wiki/reference.com page too, in light of your 'fact'

...or perhaps this is more what ya meant??
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=3532

wiki : group which was to become AQ, formed 1988 by OBL.

[philipMac]

Yeah Northwind.
How do you like them apples.

Jeepers, if I found out where Al Qaeda or The Taliban lived, I would totally take a dump into a paper bag, and set on fire outside the house, and knock on the door, and sprint off somewhere and hide.

And watch.

With my camera phone. That shizit would be all over the internet in a SECOND baby.

[Ed]

did you click on a thread called "Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq" on the assumption that it would be about bikes? :)

Well Lawrence of Arabia had one, so he could have had :roll:



:riding:

:winner:

[Anonymous]

I wonder if you're aware there's a whole load of bike-related topics going on? No offence meant here, but did you click on a thread called "Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq" on the assumption that it would be about bikes? :)


Please note that this section is called IDLE BANTER - ie not motorcycle related !!

Perhaps you should request that your donation be spent only on areas of the site that you feel are worthwhile ?

Dear Northy and Supervox,

There are a lot of people on this site who express their personal opinions on a wide variety of things - and more power to their elbow! They are great fun, create tremendous interest and discussion, and give most of us the reason to return...again and again. They also usually contribute to the "community" in many other areas: eg, how to fit GSX forks to an sv, here's the pics of my chicken strips, the best sarny at the Ace Cafe, I'm turning into a werewolf, here's a funny joke about motorbikes, who was the geezer on the red Ducati I saw in Malaga......

But suppose, for instance, that you are not a motorcyclist at all, have no interest in them, but want to get across some radical "ideas".....

Well, you find a forum that costs nothing, but is full of impressionable people. Then you have one of several options:

You might be a nasty right-wing white supremacist, so you register under the name...oooh, let's say "How Doo of Cathay"....and then submit a load of guff that you KNOW will upset ordinary decent folk, thereby reinforcing all prejudices against Cathanasians. Neat huh?

You might be a nasty foreign nationalist revolutionary. You don't actually want to discuss anything - you just hope that your oh-so-clever tirade against whatever bastion of Democracy gets up your nose, will rub off on some of the others.

You might equally be the sales manager of Fred's Dog Bike Co, so appear anonymously to extol the latest Whodat from Taiwan.

It's called a variety of names from "propaganda" to "spin" to "guerilla marketing". It's very effective.

Now, you can call me old-fashioned if you like - senile even - but I just get a bit suspicious when someone appears to pop up every now and then, solely to discuss one issue....I just wonder: "Why?". "Why THIS Forum?"

NOT, you understand that I am suggesting that any of this applies to anyone on this thread in any way at all. Far from it. Perish the thought.