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Some of you my not care about so please ignore, but I just want so opinions.
What is it about Windows that you like or dislike...
What is it that would stop you swappin to another environment, not just Linux but may Mac OS (main reason I guess would be mac's ain't cheap).
Just try to get some ideas and reasoning from people, as I'm fed up with supporting Windows and want to see people arguments for not switchin. Then see if I can find ideas as to why they should think about switchin.
wyrdness
13-06-06, 11:37 AM
I had two PCs at home. One was in the living room and had windows (for web surfing, dvd watching etc) and the other was in my 'mess room' (as Mrs Wyrdness calls it), which had Linux and was used for anything important (documents, photos etc).
Mrs Wyrdness compained that the Windows pc was too noisy so I bought her an iMac. Wow! OS X is just amazing. It's easier to use than Windows, but with the power of Unix under the hood. It was so good that I started using it instead of the Linux PC, which has now been replaced by a Mac Mini, which is running a web, email and DNS server (apache, posfix and named). I'm now looking at 2nd hand powerbooks on Ebay.
The best two things for me about OS X are:
i) It just works. No messing about with drivers, rebooting or anything.
ii) It's Unix. Secure - no spyware or viruses. And all of the familiar Unix tools are there. It can even run Linux software like Gimp.
timwilky
13-06-06, 11:45 AM
What don't I like about windows
1 cost
2 quality
3 support
4 functionality
5 bloatware
1 cost, MS have a monopoly and scream about piracy, no wonder they are ripped off. The price of products is not affordable to joe public
2 Quality, part of the problem is legacy. MS don't seem to be interested in developing from scratch and reuse old product code etc. Therefore the code tends to be very hacked and not designed
3 support is non existant. getting a bug fixed is really a wait for the next release, they are getting better at patches but still damm slow
4 functionality. No wonder MS steal others ideas. they always follow the competion and are never leading
5 bloatware, whilst at odds with point 4, they cram their products with unnecassary features adding complexity.
I like the open source models. It enables talent and ideas to be distributed. By seperating an operating system from applications etc. there is a concept of an owner for components and generally a choice.
For instance you can choose the display manager, the mail environment, the database, the application server, the web server etc. yes it does add complexity of interoperability. But also enables the user to select what suits their purpose best.
Macs. Never used one so can't comment. I can't see a place for them. I come from the centralised systems model. and dislike PCs full stop. they are guilty of hiding/locking away most companies knowledge. Users tend to store information in spread sheets, wp documents, personal databases etc. where it would be of most use is well designed corporate databases and data warehouses. reuse is key. But you also get clerical staff who insist on storing internal memos they typed 5 years ago. The paper copy is on file but they still want the electronic version for some reason. Take the pc off them and give them back their typewriters
I keep forgeting about mac mini's... they do seem rather cool. Nice and cheap way to get into mac's though they are a little underpowered. Then if you are switchin from a old PC I'd imagine they are still much more powerfull.
Would like so info from Windows people who don't like linux or are scared of it...
SVeeedy Gonzales
13-06-06, 11:58 AM
I've tried a few flavours of linux - red hat, slackware and something else. Not very friendly or as well supported as is claimed. Tried several mac OS's and the same - irrirtating bugs that are hard or seemingly impossible to fix and you have to live with them. This is from an end user view rather than a support view though. Since windows 95 I can't see why any end user would be bothered (apart from art/design stuff being better on the mac in some cases) with anything but windows. Like it or loathe it, it's way better than the other stuff out there, and a damn sight easier to use and work with.
mysteryjimbo
13-06-06, 12:02 PM
I've tried a few flavours of linux - red hat, slackware and something else. Not very friendly or as well supported as is claimed. Tried several mac OS's and the same - irrirtating bugs that are hard or seemingly impossible to fix and you have to live with them. This is from an end user view rather than a support view though. Since windows 95 I can't see why any end user would be bothered (apart from art/design stuff being better on the mac in some cases) with anything but windows. Like it or loathe it, it's way better than the other stuff out there, and a damn sight easier to use and work with.
Can open...... worms everywhere! :lol:
I have to agree with this to a certain extent. For average home user who wants to browse the net, play games and have their children type up their homework... Windows is the way go.
I use linux (Fedora) at work and XP at home. I write software and to do that any *nix system is the way to go - lots of excellent and free editors, compilers, debuggers, version control, etc etc. Its also way way easier to script and automate stuff. Some folks here try and use windows as development machines but I don't think its up to it.
But for home I am forced to use XP because windows is the standard. If I want to connect to my garmin gps, ipod, webcam, camera or nokia phone it has to be windows. If I want feature rich webserving (flash and all) then it is *so* much easier on XP. Then there's other stuff like my creative labs wireless music streaming whatsit, thats got to be windows too. I tried using linux at home (Fedora and Xandros) and as an OS for most normal stuff its just fine but then you want to plug in your toys and you're stuck.
I've always used Windows (well, except for macs in 1994 briefly and hated it) and haven't tried Linux.
Personally, I'm not that fussed over what I use to do what I want to do. At work that is my job which is Notes development and the entire network (barring 2 people) are on Windows so I develop on windows. It doesn't actually make much difference as Notes works as well on Linux and Macs as on Windows.
At home I've XP, this enables me to do what I want to do at home - surf the internet, keep my accounts etc, play games and store music.
As I've said, I haven't tried anything else but I haven't felt the need to. XP enables me to do everything I want to do without any fuss.
northwind
13-06-06, 12:25 PM
For my uses, nothing competes with Windows. It does what I want it to do, it runs every game I can throw at it, and it's more flexible IMO than OSX. When Mac OSs do something you don't like, you're usually stuck with it- the hubris of Apple seems to prevent them from admitting that you might want to turn off the "features". With Windows, when it does something irritating there's usually half a dozen ways around it. But Apple seem to say "This is the best way to do it. You won't want to do it any other way".
Plus, my budget got me a very competent PC, and would have got me an absolute bottom-end Mac. And when my PC gets tired, there's so many more upgrade paths than a Mac would allow.
I think if I was more demanding of the machine, it'd annoy me more- WIndows has always seemed to get less stable as you push what it's doing.
I've tried a few flavours of linux - red hat, slackware and something else. Not very friendly or as well supported as is claimed. Tried several mac OS's and the same - irrirtating bugs that are hard or seemingly impossible to fix and you have to live with them. This is from an end user view rather than a support view though. Since windows 95 I can't see why any end user would be bothered (apart from art/design stuff being better on the mac in some cases) with anything but windows. Like it or loathe it, it's way better than the other stuff out there, and a damn sight easier to use and work with.
Some of the clients are not very friendly of which Redhat and Slackware are... You might be better of with another distro... line SUSE or my current, can't believe how easy it was Ubuntu.
I also don't think Windows is better then the other stuff, people have just learnt to accept the things it does badly. As when things go wrong the option you get given most of time it reinstall, and when I have fixed things its been a very long fix. I have tools that help me sort stuff but still things go wrong. The last thing was that .NET is now dead (no bad thing).
On top of that you can spend 3-5 hours reinstalling Windows, downloading drivers and setting up you applications/e-mail. Why? So you can mainly read your e-mails and surf the web, you don't need Windows to do this. It comes with to much which can and will go wrong. If it wasn't so insecure I would say run win 98.
Northwinds hit the main problem, Windows based games, don't run on Linux to well or even at all. Though there is a big Linux gaming movement and you can get some games. Like Wolfstine and Quake, plus some rather lovely smoother running Linux only games.
So if you just read e-mail, surf, and write a few word doc then I would give it a go.
After all its free, don't need to change your hardware, and you can 'dual boot' your system so you can still run Windows if you cant live without it. Do save your data though as everyone makes mistakes.
Most come with live Cd's now that will run the Linux in your memory so you can look about and see what you like before you install. Ubuntu 6.06 will even let you install from this live CD and surf the web while it installs, how neat is that.
Plus, my budget got me a very competent PC, and would have got me an absolute bottom-end Mac. And when my PC gets tired, there's so many more upgrade paths than a Mac would allow.
I think if I was more demanding of the machine, it'd annoy me more- WIndows has always seemed to get less stable as you push what it's doing.
I have a Athlon XP 2000 pc... over 4 years old... it now runs quieter and less stressed in Ubuntu then in Windows XP. The only money that got spent was on another bigger hard disk, to make the dual booting easier, plus I needed the extra storage anyway.
The best thing was my DVD/CDR combo drive I though was almost dead (would not burn and tended to lock reading DVDs) worked first time after the install and showed me the problem was on the Win OS.
mysteryjimbo
13-06-06, 02:27 PM
I found Ubuntu a complete nightmare to get my Geforce card working.
Plus takes me 15 minutes to reinstall using Acronis imager. One good setup and its good to restore repeatedly!
Can open...... worms everywhere! :lol:
I have to agree with this to a certain extent. For average home user who wants to browse the net, play games and have their children type up their homework... Windows is the way go.
But by using Windows you are in reality wasting Windows on these simple tasks... and Windows is also using more resources then you need thus wasting the power of your PC...
The only thing that really pushes it on that list is games... but you might as well get a console for that. Much easier to look after, replace, move about, even I'm going the console root.
I found Ubuntu a complete nightmare to get my Geforce card working.
Plus takes me 15 minutes to reinstall using Acronis imager. One good setup and its good to restore repeatedly!
That has happened to some people... my Geforce FX5200 works easy... I think I had more problems on windows, but that does happen. After all if it didn't work in Windows what would you do?
Acronis imager is handy if your a business user, I was thinking more home users. I Know there is a home version but how many people use it or know about it, and come to think of it would be 'scared' by it.
I would love to love Linux, I try it every so often but it just drives me nuts... I mean how hard is it just to make an installer for software? True GUI's are making life easier but still having to use terminal and actually type code just to install something like firefox is just bollox... is it becoming too much like the corprate machine to make things easier? /rant/
I use and support Mac's at work which is alright. I have nothing against them and they are great to use for general web browsing and office work but then I couldnt use it at home because im a gamer.
So Windows it is! Untill further notice.
philipMac
13-06-06, 02:46 PM
I have found Ubuntu to be a phenomenal Operating System. I have stuck it on our new servers in work even. I love it. Exceptionally easy to use, it has just walked onto every machine I have stuck it on, from my laptop, to dual core dual CPU 16GB RAM AMD 64 bit servers.
I read what you were saying about the graphics card. I would recommend you try the latest distro (6.10). See if that sorts your problems.
What I like about Ubuntu is, its handy to use. It has all the all the Linux functionality, all the command line stuff there. All the useful log files. All the software I need to run there. Very very nice to run servers on it. I used to use Fedora or RedHat (or SuSE), but I have left them now.
What I dont like about "Windows" OS (ie MS DOS)... I dunno, its just generally notvery good. The Graphical User interface (ie Windows) is good. Fair enough. Everything else is poor though. Poor logging. Poor patching. Poor security model. Poor performance.
I would love to love Linux, I try it every so often but it just drives me nuts... I mean how hard is it just to make an installer for software? True GUI's are making life easier but still having to use terminal and actually type code just to install something like firefox is just bollox... is it becoming too much like the corprate machine to make things easier? /rant/
I use and support Mac's at work which is alright. I have nothing against them and they are great to use for general web browsing and office work but then I couldnt use it at home because im a gamer.
So Windows it is! Untill further notice.
Ubuntu has a Gui software installer (Synaptic Package Manager)... even updates (automaticly, does prompt you to start like windows)... or you can use command like if you prefure.
philipMac
13-06-06, 02:52 PM
actually type code just to install something like firefox is just bollox... is it becoming too much like the corprate machine to make things easier? /rant/
Try Ubuntu. I actually prefer the CLI. But, use click, System, Admin, Synaptic, and you have a world of GUI sotware installs. I mean, vast amounts of software are there. All you do is scroll, click, done. The thing runs on apt-get, which is solid. (Unlike rpm IMO.)
Ubuntu just works.
Mac OSX is fine. Just not my cup of tea. I do not like the CLI, since it is slightly differant than Linux. No real reason.
Edit: Grichy baby beat me to it.
northwind
13-06-06, 02:52 PM
Everyone that I know that's tried to use Ubuntu for a home machine with games, perticularily 3D intensive ones with newer hardware, has given up after a month or so... Though it must be nice to know that your OS isn't using a tenth of your resources just by existing.
Tried Ubuntu but the installer didnt work for alot of the stuff I wanted and i got too impacient to try and sort it out.
I work all day supporting computers, getting home and trying to figure out whats wrong with mine isnt something i enjoy doing... so i dotn bother anymore :P :)
philipMac
13-06-06, 02:56 PM
Everyone that I know that's tried to use Ubuntu for a home machine with games, perticularily 3D intensive ones with newer hardware, has given up after a month or so... Though it must be nice to know that your OS isn't using a tenth of your resources just by existing.
Ah yes. I dont play games. And I always forget about them existing.
The reason that Ubuntu (or any linux) might not run games brilliantly is because the game is not really compiled properly for the OS. And this would gimp things up badly.
I am not going to defend Linux games, since I know nothing about them, and what I have heard was not the Mae West.
Everyone that I know that's tried to use Ubuntu for a home machine with games, perticularily 3D intensive ones with newer hardware, has given up after a month or so... Though it must be nice to know that your OS isn't using a tenth of your resources just by existing.
In reality if you want to game on linux you need to use linux based games, Windows games emulators just don't cut it. After all they are trying to be something they are not, the best options are due booting to windows for games or get a console. Which will work better as they put all there resources into the game.
Personally I see the PC game market fizzing off with the latest releases of consoles.
The last Linux game I tried was Enemy Territory (bit like CS/BF1942) worked well even on my old PC.
mysteryjimbo
13-06-06, 03:01 PM
Can open...... worms everywhere! :lol:
I have to agree with this to a certain extent. For average home user who wants to browse the net, play games and have their children type up their homework... Windows is the way go.
But by using Windows you are in reality wasting Windows on these simple tasks... and Windows is also using more resources then you need thus wasting the power of your PC...
The only thing that really pushes it on that list is games... but you might as well get a console for that. Much easier to look after, replace, move about, even I'm going the console root.
Not a console person. PS2? Pah. Rerelease every game incrementally, getting progressively better graphics and worse gameplay. Xbox? Repackaged PC games but i get a clearer picture on the PC and its far more flexible. Nintendo? Might consider the next one, depends how well the controller gets used.
Plus playing a console means having access to a TV without the nipper taking the controller from my hand.
Nope. Much prefer playing FPS, flight sims, RTS games on my superdooper games PC. It also serves as a Fileserver, Print Server, Web server, FTP Server amongst other things. Concurrently, with ease, i might add.
I've been the Linux route, but the software support is lacking in all areas. Very few products you buy comes with supporting software for linux. Any software i want to buy off the web is usually restricted to Windows. As the OS matures i'll reconsider but as it stands its still a minority OS.
philipMac
13-06-06, 03:01 PM
Tried Ubuntu but the installer didnt work for alot of the stuff I wanted and i got too impacient to try and sort it out.
I work all day supporting computers, getting home and trying to figure out whats wrong with mine isnt something i enjoy doing... so i dotn bother anymore :P :)
Its like anything. If you dont need Linux, alright. Thats fine. If windows is good enough for you, fair enough. I find the security of Linux saves me work at this point though.
I had a bit of a time learning Linux. But, now, I find I need it. Like, I suppose, driving a really powerful bike. Once you get used to it, a Yamaha RXS100 seems a bit crap.
Linux is definately a "better" OS. For some people, it doesnt fit the job.
I think i would come to love it if i could get the time free to figure it out :) nevermind.
Not a console person. PS2? Pah. Rerelease every game incrementally, getting progressively better graphics and worse gameplay. Xbox? Repackaged PC games but i get a clearer picture on the PC and its far more flexible. Nintendo? Might consider the next one, depends how well the controller gets used.
Plus playing a console means having access to a TV without the nipper taking the controller from my hand.
Nope. Much prefer playing FPS, flight sims, RTS games on my superdooper games PC. It also serves as a Fileserver, Print Server, Web server, FTP Server amongst other things. Concurrently, with ease, i might add.
I've been the Linux route, but the software support is lacking in all areas. Very few products you buy comes with supporting software for linux. Any software i want to buy off the web is usually restricted to Windows. As the OS matures i'll reconsider but as it stands its still a minority OS.
But you see I don't want to spend lots of cash on a games PC to get the latest best thing... been down that route and no longer have the spare income.
As for Fileserver, Print Server, Web server, FTP Server, most users don't need it after all they are just surfin the web.
Saying that, even with only support from other forum users I managed to get Samba working (bit like moding my bike with help from this forum). Plus I don't ever recal having Windows help me with my problem, I just googled it. Or got someone who know more to help (Not something that happens alot).
philipMac
13-06-06, 03:10 PM
I've tried a few flavours of linux - red hat, slackware and something else. Not very friendly or as well supported as is claimed. Tried several mac OS's and the same - irrirtating bugs that are hard or seemingly impossible to fix and you have to live with them. This is from an end user view rather than a support view though. Since windows 95 I can't see why any end user would be bothered (apart from art/design stuff being better on the mac in some cases) with anything but windows. Like it or loathe it, it's way better than the other stuff out there, and a damn sight easier to use and work with.
Can open...... worms everywhere! :lol:
I have to agree with this to a certain extent. For average home user who wants to browse the net, play games and have their children type up their homework... Windows is the way go.
Having said what I just said, I have to completely 100% dissagree with that. :wink:
For the average user, a nice Linux distro, (ahem Ubuntu/SuSE) is the way to go.
For normal things, browsing the Web, writing documents, blah, Linux DESTROYS Windows. So much better.
But, if you are a gamer, or a Designer, or an editor, or a music person, you would probably want something else.
Probably a big hulking dual core cual CPU G5 running OSX.
In a nice brushed silvery box.
Tried Ubuntu but the installer didnt work for alot of the stuff I wanted and i got too impacient to try and sort it out.
I work all day supporting computers, getting home and trying to figure out whats wrong with mine isnt something i enjoy doing... so i dotn bother anymore :P :)
Its like anything. If you dont need Linux, alright. Thats fine. If windows is good enough for you, fair enough. I find the security of Linux saves me work at this point though.
I had a bit of a time learning Linux. But, now, I find I need it. Like, I suppose, driving a really powerful bike. Once you get used to it, a Yamaha RXS100 seems a bit crap.
Linux is definately a "better" OS. For some people, it doesnt fit the job.
After-all we all had learn Windows... and so far I found the learning curve rather easy and friendlier.
philipMac
13-06-06, 03:16 PM
After-all we all had learn Windows... and so far I found the learning curve rather easy and friendlier.
Yeah. True Grinch.
I learnt Linux a while back. It was a bit rough around the edges still. RedHat 6. I was also learning Perl, AceDB, and tons of genetics at the time, in a new job, in a new country. So, at that point, everything seemed hard.
Also, I didnt have the Ubuntu community available to me back then. They are really wonderful people, and will help you a lot though any problems. Not snobby. not elitist, just very nice.
Also, come to think of it, Linux, on a fundamental level makes more sense than Windows. The way things are arranged, the file structure, the whole internals of the thing are more coherent. Windows is... well, is less so.
rm /*
Not that I executed that command today...oh no :oops:
Dan
one of many reasons why i hate windows
Click here (http://www.ihatewindowsxp.com/mission/crash.mov)
rm /*
Not that I executed that command today...oh no :oops:
Dan
Only if your root...
rm /*
Not that I executed that command today...oh no :oops:
Dan
Only if your root...
I was, well, the perl script i typoed a variable was
i.e.
system ("rm $dir/*"); and $dir didnt exist :oops:
I love backups.
Lesson learnt, now going to use my dev box (SHOCK!) and setup complex permissions.
Dan
blah..blah..rm /...
er...I mean my friend.... :lol:
The leason learnt is avoid being root usless you really need to...
The leason learnt is avoid being root usless you really need to...
Yea, i was using root functions elsewhere in the script. Stupid thing is i've used linux since '96. Cant believe I made such a mistake, although it was a codeing error and not me sat there typeing it.
Dan
philipMac
13-06-06, 04:05 PM
Ah yes.
When I started using Perl, I was wondering where my files were going.
And then I realised that I was clobbering them when I opened them.
Perl is just full of fun. Lots of rope.
Lots and lots of rope.
But then you write,
foreach ( {sort $a<=>$b} keys %myHash)
{
print join"\t",($_, $myHash{$_});
print "\n";
}
and get a smug little smile on your chops.
wyrdness
13-06-06, 04:06 PM
Having said what I just said, I have to completely 100% dissagree with that. :wink:
For the average user, a nice Linux distro, (ahem Ubuntu/SuSE) is the way to go.
For normal things, browsing the Web, writing documents, blah, Linux DESTROYS Windows. So much better.
When I'm in 'average user' mode, I'm still finding OS X way better than Linux. I was a dedicated Linux user for many years (started with Red Hat 5, I think). I finally gave up on it last year when it refused to work with either of my cd/dvd drives. Both drives had previously worked with Gentoo Linux. I thought that Gentoo might be broken, so I installed SuSE 10. They wouldn't work with SuSE either. Tried Windows on the same PC. They worked. I took out the dvd writer, put it in an external enclosure and plugged it into a Mac. That worked without needing any drivers installed, reboots or anything.
So why wouldn't Gentoo or SuSE work?????
So for an 'average user' who wants an easy to use (and virus/spyware free) computer for surfing, word-processing, cd burning, digital photography etc. I'd recommend the Mac.
So for an 'average user' who wants an easy to use (and virus/spyware free) computer for surfing, word-processing, cd burning, digital photography etc. I'd recommend the Mac. Mac Mini... the others are a tad expensive.
philipMac
13-06-06, 04:15 PM
Having said what I just said, I have to completely 100% dissagree with that. :wink:
For the average user, a nice Linux distro, (ahem Ubuntu/SuSE) is the way to go.
For normal things, browsing the Web, writing documents, blah, Linux DESTROYS Windows. So much better.
When I'm in 'average user' mode, I'm still finding OS X way better than Linux. I was a dedicated Linux user for many years (started with Red Hat 5, I think). I finally gave up on it last year when it refused to work with either of my cd/dvd drives. Both drives had previously worked with Gentoo Linux. I thought that Gentoo might be broken, so I installed SuSE 10. They wouldn't work with SuSE either. Tried Windows on the same PC. They worked. I took out the dvd writer, put it in an external enclosure and plugged it into a Mac. That worked without needing any drivers installed, reboots or anything.
So why wouldn't Gentoo or SuSE work?????
So for an 'average user' who wants an easy to use (and virus/spyware free) computer for surfing, word-processing, cd burning, digital photography etc. I'd recommend the Mac.
Alright. I will give you that then. Average user is better off with OSx than Linux. Maybe. I was more talking about Windows. The average user on a win box are in big trouble, usually without knowing it.
I am saying though, every singe installation of Ubuntu has gone swimmingly for me. All hardware was picked up. I have put it on machines that windows installers freaked out at. And, once it was on, it was good to go. Everything there, very simple, and safe.
And, in a years time, the machine will be exactly the same. And in 10 years time ditto. Until, you decide you need to upgrade, or install software. Not windows. Not some sppyware company. Not Sony. You...
Why do windows machines get slower? Because they are full of spyware. Freaking Steve Balmer cant keep his windows machien in good shape. He had to just nuke it and restart everything. You never need to do this with linux.
mysteryjimbo
13-06-06, 07:33 PM
I've tried a few flavours of linux - red hat, slackware and something else. Not very friendly or as well supported as is claimed. Tried several mac OS's and the same - irrirtating bugs that are hard or seemingly impossible to fix and you have to live with them. This is from an end user view rather than a support view though. Since windows 95 I can't see why any end user would be bothered (apart from art/design stuff being better on the mac in some cases) with anything but windows. Like it or loathe it, it's way better than the other stuff out there, and a damn sight easier to use and work with.
Can open...... worms everywhere! :lol:
I have to agree with this to a certain extent. For average home user who wants to browse the net, play games and have their children type up their homework... Windows is the way go.
Having said what I just said, I have to completely 100% dissagree with that. :wink:
For the average user, a nice Linux distro, (ahem Ubuntu/SuSE) is the way to go.
For normal things, browsing the Web, writing documents, blah, Linux DESTROYS Windows. So much better.
But, if you are a gamer, or a Designer, or an editor, or a music person, you would probably want something else.
Probably a big hulking dual core cual CPU G5 running OSX.
In a nice brushed silvery box.
Missed an important point there. Just about every child i know and knew in school wanted to play Doom or Quake or the next best thing on the PC. You dont get things like that on Linux
wyrdness
13-06-06, 08:17 PM
Missed an important point there. Just about every child i know and knew in school wanted to play Doom or Quake or the next best thing on the PC. You dont get things like that on Linux
Actually you do. I've played both on Linux. All of the ID Software games (Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein) are available for Linux.
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
philipMac
13-06-06, 08:34 PM
Jimbo is rght though. The fancy new cool games are not really there yet.
And, it takes a bit of effort to port them over. And, then, the market that you are selling them to (linux users) is small still. Its all supply and demand with those gamer companies, and all source is closed tightly. So, dudes cant just port it themselves.
So, this is probably going to take a while to move away from this situation.
the_runt69
13-06-06, 11:11 PM
Still on Windows 2000 at work, trying to get the IT sextion to try something else but all railway specific programs are now written on XP so have to stay with it. Play a lot of games at home so XP is really the only platform I can use, but have an Imac ehich the wife uses for her school stuff, better for CAD and other such stuff and not as prone to viruses as windows.
H
northwind
13-06-06, 11:54 PM
Actually you do. I've played both on Linux. All of the ID Software games (Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein) are available for Linux.
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
Um, yeah. But I'm pretty sure I played all of those in DOS 6, on a P75 with 8mb of ram. Except for Doom, it was old and rubbish by the time I got my first PC (Windows 3.1)
mysteryjimbo
14-06-06, 06:57 AM
Missed an important point there. Just about every child i know and knew in school wanted to play Doom or Quake or the next best thing on the PC. You dont get things like that on Linux
Actually you do. I've played both on Linux. All of the ID Software games (Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein) are available for Linux.
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
That was when i was at school.....Nowadays, FEAR, Quake 4, Unreal Tournament, HL2 etc.....
Quake 4 is on Linux... theres a page on the ID website for it. It was realesed sometime back in 2005.
mysteryjimbo
14-06-06, 08:18 AM
Quake 4 is on Linux... theres a page on the ID website for it. It was realesed sometime back in 2005.
Still, its an exception. This shouldnt even be in discussion. Its a fact that Windows is the vast majority, therefore the majority of software is written for it (malicious or otherwise).
All OS's have their place. I wouldnt dream of have "average joe" install a copy of Linux on their home machine, it can be too complex. Most of them have trouble with copy and paste. Windows has its place with them ats its aimed at its GUI being user friendly, which it has to said, it does quite well.
My brief list of likes/dislikes
Things i like about Windows:
User friendly GUI (consistant, regardless of version)
Supporting Software
Things i dont like about Windows:
Incompatibilities you hit occasionally
Filesystem
Instability with time
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Things i like about Linux
Its free
Ownership of code
Reliability
Things i dont like about Linux
Can be too complex to get a simple thing done
Vendor versions of the GUI differ greatly
Its funny the different people views...
My brief list of likes/dislikes
Things i like about Windows:
User friendly GUI (consistent, regardless of version) - Never found it friendly of even intuitive to the new user only if you've used it before, even then it can be confusing. I know from showing 'new' users.
Supporting Software - never really seen much support, it always seemed to be reinstall or apply this patch. Get more help of user forums.
Things i don't like about Windows:
Incompatibilities you hit occasionally - This does happen everywhere though I've seen it a lot with Windows, but then I fiddle.
Filesystem - its a bit naff, but works.
Instability with time - Oh I hate that too, my clock will not shift from GMT at the moment.
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Things i like about Linux
Its free - though support is not always free, lots of user forums
Ownership of code
Reliability
Things i don't like about Linux
Can be too complex to get a simple thing done - some can but on the whole I found them more intuitive then installing windows.
Vendor versions of the GUI differ greatly- have you ever gone back to using win98 after using XP, god its odd, but they do differ a bit. Most are KDE or Gnome desktops which work much like windows.
I'm rather enjoying this...
mysteryjimbo
14-06-06, 08:55 AM
Supporting software. Not software support. Almost everything supports windows.
mysteryjimbo
14-06-06, 08:57 AM
Oh and i had to jump through 3 hours of hoops to get my Nvidia driver to install.... Complex...
wyrdness
14-06-06, 08:57 AM
Missed an important point there. Just about every child i know and knew in school wanted to play Doom or Quake or the next best thing on the PC. You dont get things like that on Linux
Actually you do. I've played both on Linux. All of the ID Software games (Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein) are available for Linux.
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
That was when i was at school.....Nowadays, FEAR, Quake 4, Unreal Tournament, HL2 etc.....
I was referring to Doom 3 and Quake 4. I just thought that it was stupid to pick two games that are available for Linux, as examples of ones that aren't!
Oh and i had to jump through 3 hours of hoops to get my Nvidia driver to install.... Complex...
Was that on linux?
Mine went on fine.. didn't have to do a thing...
Though when I had a old 'Blaster Geforce' card a few years ago that was a pain... strange resaloutions and everything on me windows... It went pop in the end.
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