Best baddies

[rpwoodman]

Following on from a discussion about Dr Who, who are your favourite baddies in films/tv?

Darth Vader was great, as was Darth Maul.
Daleks were great
the Bruce Payne character in Passenger 57 (dire film!) was great - when he asked the chap about his family on the plane (you know the bit if you've seen it)
Man bites dog was great (it was rather Belgian but very good)

Any others people would care to mention?

[Warren]

Blade,

he was kinda a good guy, but is still a badass m*ther f*cker

[Biker Biggles]

**** Dastardly and Muttley

[BILLY]

Billy the kid (young guns) :twisted:

[rpwoodman]

d*ck Dastardly and Muttley

I have a Mutley character sitting on a blanket box by the bed, but he was hardly menacing... !

[rpwoodman]

Billy the kid (young guns) :twisted:

Yup, that's fair enough. Emilio Estevez I think?

[BILLY]

Billy the kid (young guns) :twisted:

Yup, that's fair enough. Emilio Estevez I think?Thats him :D

[Cronos]

The worst ever baddie has to be the Child-Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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Closely followed by the Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz.

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Real hide behind the sofa stuff! 8-[

[Jon from Bristol]

Hi

I'd vote for Samuel L Jackson who played Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction. A real BAD erm....Oh this is U Rated! Well he played a great part in this great film.

Some of my many fav lines......

Vincent: Have you ever given a foot massage?
Jules: [scoffs] Don't be tellin' me about foot massages. I'm the foot f**kin' master.
Vincent: Given a lot of 'em?
Jules: S**t yeah. I got my technique down and everything, I don't be ticklin' or nothin'.
Vincent: Would you give a guy a foot massage?
[Jules gives Vincent a long look, realizing he's been set up]
Jules: F**k you.


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[rpwoodman]

The worst ever baddie has to be the Child-Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.


That was the most overrated film ever - complete toss!!! (no offence to you Cronos!)

And the only interesting thing about Wizard of Oz was the fact that the main star, playing a wholesome girl was a heroin addict! :shock:

[rpwoodman]

Oh, and the Fly 2 was interesting - the Eric Stoltz guy (sort of anti-hero) was good:

Oh no, you're getting worse!
No, I'm getting *better* (as he morphed into a fly)

And the Tim Burton Batman film was very good - Michael Keaton was perfect for it.
And actually, the character Michael Keaton played in Pacific Heights was also a good baddie.

[El Saxo]

Vin Diesel as Riddick in Pitch Black - great film!!

Or...

Robert Patrick as the T1000 in Terminator 2.

[rpwoodman]

I'd vote for Samuel L Jackson who played Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction. A real BAD erm....Oh this is U Rated! Well he played a great part in this great film.

One of my many fav lines......

Vincent: Have you ever given a foot massage?
Jules: [scoffs] Don't be tellin' me about foot massages. I'm the foot f**kin' master.
Vincent: Given a lot of 'em?
Jules: S**t yeah. I got my technique down and everything, I don't be ticklin' or nothin'.



Yup, fair point. Again, perfect for the role

[rpwoodman]

Mr Blonde (Are you going to bark all day little doggy, or are you going to bite?)

The Steve Buscemi character in Fargo (complaining about the car park ticket)

Oooohhhh.... the Chrstopher Walken character in King of New York?

[SpankyHam]

Marv
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Noone #|_|(k5 with him!

[rpwoodman]

Vin Diesel as Riddick in Pitch Black - great film!!

Or...

Robert Patrick as the T1000 in Terminator 2.


Not seen Pitch Black - I will consider that a recommendation

And yes, perfect, Robert Patrick charater was sooo evil. A good one.

[rpwoodman]

Marv
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Noone #|_|(k5 with him!

Who?

[SpankyHam]

Watch Sin City

Best Film 2005

[rpwoodman]

Watch Sin City

Best Film 2005

Ok, I've got a DVD of that somewhere. Will try and dig it out

[El Saxo]

Oooohhhh.... the Chrstopher Walken character in King of New York?

I think his character in True Romance was better, but then Christopher Walken is ace in most things., one of my favourite actors.

Not seen Pitch Black - I will consider that a recommendation

You should definitely watch it - brilliant film. Shame that Chronicles of Riddick was utter ****e... :roll:

[Jabba]

The worst ever baddie has to be the Child-Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

http://unsinkablecork.com/chitty/images/childcatcher.jpg

What he said. Frightening.

[Peter Henry]

THE HITCHER-Rutger Hauer

[Anonymous]

Hedley Lamarr in "Blazing Saddles".

And Maris in Frasier.

[northwind]

Sauron...

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No, not really, it's just an excuse to post this:

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Darth Vader was the ultimate baddie. 1st round knockout.

Top Dollar from the Crow gets honourable mention.

"Gentlemen, by all means, I think we ought to have an introspective moment of silence for poor ol' Tin Tin. (SNORT)"

"Our friend T-bird won't be joining us this evening on account of a slight case of death. "

"He winked at you? [sighs] Musicians."

Also, Gene Hackman in The Quick And The Dead.

[pegasus]

Robert De niro as Max Cady in Cape Fear

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evil, evil, evil, fabulous :lol:

[SpankyHam]

him! him!! him!111one!!11!

I tell ya!

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[rpwoodman]

THE HITCHER-Rutger Hauer

Oooh yes!

Rubbish in everything else he's ever done tho... :-)

[Jabba]

Rubbish in everything else he's ever done tho... :-)

Obviously, you meant to exclude Bladerunner from that? :shock:

[rpwoodman]

Obviously, you meant to exclude Bladerunner from that? :shock:

You're right - he wasn't rubbish in that (I was thinking of films like "Flesh and blood", "A breed apart" etc etc) - he was harmless in it. I don't think he brought anything to the role that anyone else couldn't have done. Much overrated film in my opinion.

[rpwoodman]

Robert De niro as Max Cady in Cape Fear

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evil, evil, evil, fabulous :lol:

I felt he was a caricature - he really hammed it up. It's never going to go down in history as a great film.

[MattTheLoony]

Skeletor from he man
Mumra from thundercats
zelda from (insert program name, fell out of my head)
hannibal lechter
the little boy from identity
cyrus the virus from con air
blofel from bond

for example

[rpwoodman]

hannibal lechter


I was hoping no one would say him - couldn't disagree more! Talk about ham! (tho I seem to be in the minority with that thought, tho it doesn't necesarily mean I'm wrong! :-) )

[Viney]

Gary Oldman i think plays the best baddies, a superb actor.

[keithd]

John Doe (Kevin Spacey) from Se7en

[Peter Henry]

That there camp body suit maker in Silence of the lambs.

[BabyJ]

The guy who gives me the creeps the most is the weirdo who was in Silence of the lambs..

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Sends shivers down my spine watching him in anything!!

Another guy who makes me feel like that is John Malkovic...

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There's just something about him....



*Shivers*


Don't know why they make me feel like that..... must be weird I guess!! :wink:

[BabyJ]

That there camp body suit maker in Silence of the lambs.


You beat me to it PH! :wink:

:D

[rpwoodman]

John Doe (Kevin Spacey) from Se7en

Nice one!

[lukemillar]

Oooohhhh.... the Chrstopher Walken character in King of New York?

I think his character in True Romance was better, but then Christopher Walken is ace in most things., one of my favourite actors.

Not seen Pitch Black - I will consider that a recommendation

You should definitely watch it - brilliant film. Shame that Chronicles of Riddick was utter sh*te... :roll:

Ben Kingsley - Sexy Beast. You are sh*tting yourself, even before he has been on screen! :lol:

[rpwoodman]

Ben Kingsley - Sexy Beast. You are sh*tting yourself, even before he has been on screen! :lol:

Mmm, never got that one, but Ray Winstone in Scum (or indeed any interviews he does) was very menacing. Seems a nice chap as well.

[lukemillar]

Ben Kingsley - Sexy Beast. You are sh*tting yourself, even before he has been on screen! :lol:

Mmm, never got that one, but Ray Winstone in Scum (or indeed any interviews he does) was very menacing. Seems a nice chap as well.

Nver got that one as in never saw it, or just didn't find him that intimidating?

What about Joe Pesci in Goodfellas?

[DanDare]

Ben Kingsley as Don Logan everytime! :shock:

Do the Job!

[Peter Henry]

Creep of creeps....Richard Attenborough in 10 Rillington Place.

[rpwoodman]

Just didn't find him intimidating. It seemed such an out of character role. I think the sign of a good actor is whether when you're watching them you see the character, not the actor, and I just saw ben Kingsley. Feel the same about David Jason - great as Del-boy and the bloke from Open all hours, but everything else he's rubbish. Very high opinion of himself as well.
I think Ray Winstone only plays one type of character well, but it's the evil ones he does best.

Never really got goodfellas either - tried watching it a couple of times but lost interest quite quickly. Got to the bit whe he's winding up Ray Liotta, but again, ham in my opinion.

Rgds

Rupert

[rpwoodman]

Creep of creeps....Richard Attenborough in 10 Rillington Place.

Not seen that - saw the follow up - 12 Rillington Place. :-)

Or Pinky in Brighton Rock?

[lukemillar]

Just didn't find him intimidating. It seemed such an out of character role. I think the sign of a good actor is whether when you're watching them you see the character, not the actor, and I just saw ben Kingsley. Feel the same about David Jason - great as Del-boy and the bloke from Open all hours, but everything else he's rubbish. Very high opinion of himself as well.
I think Ray Winstone only plays one type of character well, but it's the evil ones he does best.

Never really got goodfellas either - tried watching it a couple of times but lost interest quite quickly. Got to the bit whe he's winding up Ray Liotta, but again, ham in my opinion.

Rgds

Rupert

Each to their own I guess!

[pegasus]

Richard O'brien aka riff-raff

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surely you cant disagree with that? :lol:

[keithd]

kayzer sozee seemed a bit of a scary fellow to upset

[Last Action Pimp]

Vader or



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[keithd]

:smt116 :lol: :lol: :lol: :smt018

[rpwoodman]

kayzer sozee seemed a bit of a scarey fellow to upset

Yup!

[rpwoodman]

Richard O'brien aka riff-raff

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surely you cant disagree with that? :lol:

Err? What film?
I won't disagree, but then I won't agree either because I haven't seen the film! :-)

[timwilky]

bloody heck, someone who has never seen the Rocky Horror. Yes Mr O'Brian certainly hams it up. But in that show it is compulsory.

Where in the list of badies are:

Dr Who's nemesis AKA the Master

Max Shek in nosferatu
Bela Lugosi

Far scarier than any hammer drac

[keithd]

kayzer sozee seemed a bit of a scarey fellow to upset

Yup!

almost as scary as my spelling of scary!!!! :shock: :oops:

[lukemillar]

Papa Lazarou from Legue Of Gentlmen, eh Dave?

[rpwoodman]

bloody heck, someone who has never seen the Rocky Horror. Yes Mr O'Brian certainly hams it up. But in that show it is compulsory.

Where in the list of badies are:

Dr Who's nemesis AKA the Master

Max Shek in nosferatu
Bela Lugosi

Far scarier than any hammer drac

I thought it was the Rocky Horror, but then I thought it may have been Little shop of horrors, so thought I'd keep quiet... :-)

I was wondering about "The Master" the other day - not been in the recent series, tho I thought that is who Peter Kaye would be playing when I saw him in the preview clips a few weeks back. Can't really remember any previous appearances very well, so I would have to withold from making comment. Where would you consider him to be?

No seen Nosferatu.
Saw "The Bat" many years ago, which Bela Lugosi starred in and it was ok, tho dont' really like the genre. Good song about him tho, if that counts for anything?

[Bear]

Oh, and the Fly 2 was interesting - the Eric Stoltz guy (sort of anti-hero) was good:

Oh no, you're getting worse!
No, I'm getting *better* (as he morphed into a fly)

And the Tim Burton Batman film was very good - Michael Keaton was perfect for it.
And actually, the character Michael Keaton played in Pacific Heights was also a good baddie.

Dude! How can you mention Batman without Jack's turn as the Joker: One of the best bad guys in the history of fiction! (and yes, I am a comic book nerd!)

:D

[rpwoodman]

Dude! How can you mention Batman without Jack's turn as the Joker: One of the best bad guys in the history of fiction! (and yes, I am a comic book nerd!)

:D

I've never really been much of a fan of Jack, but it was one of his finer moments, certainly. Did you think he was menacing? Not sure I did, but I'm happy for him to be on the list!

[Warren]

V
http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/vforvendetta/img/pto_OS_victoria_101.jpg

i saw this film on a rubbish Tv, where the the colours were all dark and dingy.

made it a much better film.

[northwind]

But is he a villain? Difference between an antihero and a villain IMO.

[Warren]

But is he a villain? Difference between an antihero and a villain IMO.

all depends on what side of things ur looking from :)

[Jelster]

Gary Oldman i think plays the best baddies, a superb actor.
Yeah, in Robin Hood he was ace (rest of the film was cack mind you....)

.

[lukemillar]

Gary Oldman i think plays the best baddies, a superb actor.
Yeah, in Robin Hood he was ace (rest of the film was cack mind you....)

.

Alan Rickman???

What about Gary Oldman in Leon eh?

[rpwoodman]

Alan Rickman???

What about Gary Oldman in Leon eh?

Yes, Alan Rickman was great in Robin Hood. Wasn't he quite good in Die Hard as well (dire film other than him!)

[lynw]

Alan Rickman???

What about Gary Oldman in Leon eh?

Yes, Alan Rickman was great in Robin Hood. Wasn't he quite good in Die Hard as well (dire film other than him!)

Yep Alan Rickman gets my vote for outshining Costner in RH and for his performance in Die Hard. Not to mention as the Potter books are getting darker he will certainly do the role of Snape justice when they film the latest book.

Alex Forrest played by Glenn Close. Bringing the term bunny boiler into everyday language.

Dennis Hopper in Speed.

Lucy Lui as O-Ren Ishii in Kill Bill.

[rpwoodman]

Dennis Hopper in Speed.

Pop quiz!
Yup, he was good. Good one.
On the Keanu front, someone will probably mention Agent Smith, but I don't think he was bad enough.

Someone is bound to mention Blue Velvet now, but I'll correct them now and point out that the film was rubbish and hammed up. :-D

And is Glenn close our first female baddie? I think so.

Anyone seen Kalifornia with Brad Pitt? He was a good baddy in that. Could Tyler Durdon be considered a baddie, or justa n anti-hero?

Oh, the part played by Edward Norton in American History X?

And what about the Richard Gere character in Internal Affairs?

[lynw]

And is Glenn close our first female baddie? I think so.

Anyone seen Kalifornia with Brad Pitt? He was a good baddy in that. Could Tyler Durdon be considered a baddie, or justa n anti-hero?

Oh, the part played by Edward Norton in American History X?

And what about the Richard Gere character in Internal Affairs?

GC is first listed, but I also included Lucy Lui as she was superb in Kill Bill. I guess other female baddies could include Faye Dunaway as Bonnie Parker in Bonnie & Clyde, whoever played Ma Baker in the film about the Bakers.

Ed Norton, not sure as such. Because at the end he renounces his extremist views and regrets what he did, the film is deliberately filmed as a recollection of how he got to that point rather than a step by step plot IYSWIM. But I still shudder to think of that kerb scene. But absolutely cracking film and superb use of B&W and colour to distinguish between past/present.

Continuing in the vein, the guy who played the corrupt cop in Mississipi Burning, top film based on a true story.

Steve Buscemi in Con Air, in fact most of the guys playing cons in that film count especially Malkovich. Another one of my fave films of all time. :D

[Supervox]

Ernst Stavro Blofeld (only when played by Donald Pleasance)

The Gestapo Psycho from Indiana Jones

Any cast member from The Sopranos

[the_runt69]

I know some people have voted for Robert de Nero as Max Cady which I thought he did well but the original Max Robert Mitchm is much more chilling as a baddie.

H

[rpwoodman]

Steve Buscemi in Con Air, in fact most of the guys playing cons in that film count especially Malkovich. Another one of my fave films of all time. :D

Yes, he was good. I think JM is a great actor as well - did a great cameo in Alive (tho that's a little OT).

Did anyone see Prison Break? Tea bag was very good in that - kind of similar to the Steve Buscemi character you mention from Con Air

[rpwoodman]

The Gestapo Psycho from Indiana Jones


the one who melted? Yup!

[rpwoodman]

I know some people have voted for Robert de Nero as Max Cady which I thought he did well but the original Max Robert Mitchm is much more chilling as a baddie.

H

Yes, you're probably right

[jenni]

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[northwind]

I'll see your Grotbags and raise you a...

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Zelda from Terrahawks.

(I was trying to find a picture of Scunner Campbell from Supergran, but failed)

[Reckless Rat]

Frank in Blue Velvet.... I think Dennis Hopper again?


RR

[lukemillar]

Ed Norton, not sure as such. Because at the end he renounces his extremist views and regrets what he did, the film is deliberately filmed as a recollection of how he got to that point rather than a step by step plot IYSWIM. But I still shudder to think of that kerb scene. But absolutely cracking film and superb use of B&W and colour to distinguish between past/present.

possible SPOILER if you haven't seen American History X

Agreed - this is one of my favourite films. The thing which it poses though is (and i'll try not to ruin it for anyone who hasn't seen it) but given the ending, casts a massive shadow over his renunciation and poses the 'what now?' question. The final moments have such gravity to completely undo all that has gone before, illustrating how fragile and fractured these situations are. This is also why I found something like Crash awful. The film-makers have gone for hard-hitting drama, yet neatly tie up everything into a tidy digestable package.

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Edward Norton is not really a baddie in American History X unlike....

Venga from Dungeons and Dragons
Mumra from Thundercats

Bob from Twin Peaks?

[rpwoodman]

Edward Norton is not really a baddie in American History X unlike....


I'm not sure that's a valid statement when you consider the scene Lynw mentions. It was certainly an evil moment.

Actually, it kind of reminds me of Romper Stomper where Russell Crowe plays a similar role (well, a violent skinhead).

[lukemillar]

Edward Norton is not really a baddie in American History X unlike....

I'm not sure that's a valid statement when you consider the scene Lynw mentions. It was certainly an evil moment.
.

Yes, but also as Lynw points out, he is a confused character, so you can't put him in out-and-out baddie land.

[keithd]

you'd have to say that stacey keach's character is the baddie in History "X"

forgot his name! :?

[lukemillar]

you'd have to say that stacey keach's character is the baddie in History "X"

forgot his name! :?

Definately! (Cameron Alexander)

[Kilted Ginger]

does the child catcher reappear in true lies as the terrorist torturer, or is it his brother, probably not :oops: doesn't look like a balet dancer :? I'll get my coat :roll:

[andyaikido]

Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon? :oops:

[Peter Henry]

Captain Black....from Captain Scarlet series.

[Jester666]

The Kurgan (Clancy Brown) - Highlander
Kevin Spacey - Swimming with sharks
Mohawk man in Mad Max 2 - Cant remember the actors name
Pinhead - Hellraiser
Tha Alien - Alien

Maybe the best 'villain' is JAWS

:reaper: :smt107 :smt067

[rpwoodman]

Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon? :oops:

Nice one - I assume you mean the 1982 (?) version? Yup, he was great:

Show me your loyalty - throw yourself on your sword!

[wyrdness]

Has anyone mentioned Rutger Haur in Bladerunner? He must be one of the greatest screen villians of all time - If you could see what I've seen with your eyes

Also an honourable mention for Gary Oldman in Leon.

Mrs Wyrdness would, no doubt, nominate David Bowie in Labyrinth.

[pegasus]

Harvey Keitel - Bad Cop


ooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!! evil, evil evil man :lol:

[rpwoodman]

Harvey Keitel - Bad Cop


ooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!! evil, evil evil man :lol:

Yeah, he wasn't the sort of character you'd want your daughter to bring home to you.

Goldfinger?

Bond: Do you expect me to talk Goldfinger? (as laser edging towards him to cut him in half)
Goldfinger: No, I expect you to die!