View Full Version : Another reason for All The Gear All The Time
ATGATT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jySOgpoaCng&search=crash)
sharriso74
22-07-06, 11:32 AM
ouch!!!! Turned my stomach...
OUCH!!!!! :shock:
What a :toss: !!
carelesschucca
22-07-06, 11:39 AM
I have no sympathy for Idiots like that, when will they learn its not cool to ride without lids and protection, Its seem par for the course. Wonder if he'll start wearing gear...
I dont know the bloke...obviously it was stupid what he did and he obviously realised that it was idiotic, hence posting the video on the net. Calling him a :toss: is perhaps a bit harsh but, yes, I think he will no-doubt be wearing ATGATT from now on :wink: Certainly after his fall methinks :wink:
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 11:54 AM
That'll bring a tear to yer eye boy! :?
No I think he was a :toss: . It was quite evident that they were there for no other reason than to do stunting. It also appeared that they were novices at the art. Common sense would have dictated that something could quite easily have gone wrong.
Had he been wearing leather (lets not even go down the route of no helmet) he would have walked away from that with not a scratch.
Each to his own interpretation then...
At least they were on a disused road and not a public road, like some people on the forum have a tendency to do :?
Each to his own interpretation then...
At least they were on a disused road and not a public road, like some people on the forum have a tendency to do :?
Yeah, they are the worst type of people ever.
Yeah, they are the worst type of people ever.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ouch, what an idiot, deserved what he got
wyrdness
22-07-06, 02:04 PM
Bunch of idiots. It looked from the video that one of them was wearing shorts.
I doubt he will learn by his mistakes. If you listen to it, when he is being filmed in hospital he says that it is crash number five. How many crashes should it take to get the message accross???????
21QUEST
22-07-06, 03:14 PM
I can't see what all the fuss is about :?
Cheers
Ben
He actually looks like it come unstuck when he was pulling on the brakes as he got down ok - dusty road and the front went out maybe. Shame we didnt see the rest of what happened to him - he could be walking away laughing for all we know. Would be p*ssed he dropped the bike regardless however.
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 03:29 PM
why do these ppl think its cool not to wear protective clothing? idiots! :?
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 03:39 PM
why do these ppl think its cool not to wear protective clothing? idiots! :?
Personal choice.
Do you really want Government Legislation into what we can or cannot wear. Price of everyting will go through the roof. No more race rep lids. No nothing.
Standard Colours standard designs. Thats all we'll be allowed to have.
Personal choice allows me to wear and purchase the best gear I can afford. Therefore I exercise my right to do so at my own cost.
I dont want the Government telling me what I can and can't do its bad enough already.
Its good that they were doing it off public roads but pretty stupid not to wear proper gear. However, its their choice but don't expect sympathy from me.
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 05:10 PM
why do these ppl think its cool not to wear protective clothing? idiots! :?
Personal choice.
Do you really want Government Legislation into what we can or cannot wear. Price of everyting will go through the roof. No more race rep lids. No nothing.
Standard Colours standard designs. Thats all we'll be allowed to have.
Personal choice allows me to wear and purchase the best gear I can afford. Therefore I exercise my right to do so at my own cost.
I dont want the Government telling me what I can and can't do its bad enough already.
come on fizz i think your looking into this a little too deep :roll: its called being sensible.
Indeed. Freedom to do what you want is fine. But come on. Being stupid is being stupid. :wink:
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 05:29 PM
I agree it is called being sensible. Which is why I always ride in full kit, back protector etc etc.
However its not down to me to tell other people what to do or comment on the fact that they think its OK to wear t-shirt and shorts whilst riding.
This the third thread now we've had on this subject :roll:. Who are we to judge others on what they choose to do ? If they arent putting me at risk. F*ck it do what you like.
Should have worn his leathers he's lucky he didn't smash his head in the nugget :shock:
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 05:39 PM
lucky he didnt smash his bike into someone else.
Not judging anyone, just stating that's what I think. I don't even judge anyone that rides on the back of my own bike. If Jo wishes to go to Soho on a Friday night with nothing more than casual clothing and a helmet, that's her choice.
However, if we were to come off and she were to break a leg, I'd tell her not to come running to me. :wink:
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 05:54 PM
From what I could see those guys actually looked pretty competant on their bikes. But in that lies the warning to us all does it not? One just never knows.
They sensibly chose a little used stretch of road to play their games but did not consider at all the "what if's" Don't forget those guys are American and the culture is not generally the same with a view to wearing the right kit.
You have to admit that the guy got some pretty serious road rash from what at point of impact would have been relatively slow speed. :?
To just jump up and slag them off for the sake of it is not right in my mind.
Sorry PH. I shall now ignore every single post that is entered on these forums as giving an opinion seems to be frowned upon. I actually thought the whole concept of a forum was for someone to post something and generally expect others to reply to it.
I will however say, that it is not normal for me to openly slate another person. I normally keep my opinions to myself. I have just had a quick reminder of why that is.
I am still of the same opinion though. :wink:
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 06:05 PM
However, if we were to come off and she were to break a leg, I'd tell her not to come running to me. :wink:
:lol:
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 06:05 PM
Si...Fair do's fella! :wink: :)
(Of course we should all bare in mind why you would have such strong feelings on this particular subject.)
Si...Fair do's fella! :wink: :)
(Of course we should all bare in mind why you would have such strong feelings on this particular subject.)
Only from a personal perspective :wink: I used to be of the opinion that everyone should wear all the gear all the time. I have since come to my senses. As Fizz has stated, what other people do or do not wear is of no concern of mine. But of course I do still have an opinion and view on all things. I just normally keep them to myself. :lol:
And if you promise not to tell anyone else, it has been known that I have nipped down the shops myself without my leathers on. :-$
Of course we should all bare in mind why you would have such strong feelings on this particular subject.
Some people who are lucky enough never to have come off a bike have the same views as BA.
Call it what you will.......I call it fore-thought :thumbsup:
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 06:13 PM
:shock: :shock: 8)
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 06:19 PM
i only feel the way i do because when i had my accident you realize how hard the tarmac is :roll: and i think that most ppl that dont wear safety gear have never felt that road digging in to their person.
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 06:22 PM
Righting off a Honda 400-4 at full belt around a fast right hand curve...gave me intimate knowledge of this particular discomfort! :?
Wrangler jeans and a leather jacket(pre armour days) was my only protection. Oh them there grazes! :? :?
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 06:24 PM
burn dont they.
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 06:25 PM
i only feel the way i do because when i had my accident you realize how hard the tarmac is :roll: and i think that most ppl that dont wear safety gear have never felt that road digging in to their person.
I've fallen off my pushbike enough times to know what its like to go tarmac surfing.
Road Rash with gravel stuck in it is very uncomfortable to say the least.
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 06:25 PM
Yeah....and then they dry....and when they split! Ooooooowwwww! :?
TVR_Tracy
22-07-06, 07:02 PM
Well I say serves him right! Harsh, but that's my opinion :x ... If you don't protect yourself (and that goes for every event in your life), you get what's coming to you! Just shows how much you respect and value yourself IMO...
Just as long as you protect yourself, who cares what Joe Bloggs down the road does...
Amen 8)
That is foolish. If you're gonna wheelie, (which they obviously can't do very well) do it in leathers. By stunting you increase your chances of binning dramatically, e specially if you're trying to get the bike up on power alone with no balance, which makes for very fast and very painful offs.
They deserve everything they got. Look at the guy on the nina's first attempt. N00B.
EDIT: Admittedly the guy who fell off was doing the wheelies quite nicely imo.
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 07:48 PM
They deserve everything they got. Look at the guy on the nina's first attempt. N00B.
Yes but everybody has to learn sometimes :roll:
You don't have to learn at all. But if you've got a ninja, you have no excuse! :p
Look at the comments on the link, he gets pretty defensive when someone point out that he should have worn gear. I'll admit I don't wear all mine 100% of the time, but if I'm going out to play silly buggers, then I'll make sure the whole kit is out.
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 07:56 PM
he gets pretty defensive when someone point out that he should have worn gear.
I've not met many people who take critiscm well. Most people when faced with strangers from the internet who they have never met having a pop at them tend to go on the defensive.
He's probably feeling stupid enough ( and rightly so IMHO ) without having it rammed down his face by strangers he's never met.
I still stand by what I said earlier. He chose not wear gear. He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.
He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.
That's what I should have said in the beginning. :lol:
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 08:03 PM
He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.
That's what I should have said in the beginning. :lol:
:takeabow: :lol:
why do these ppl think its cool not to wear protective clothing? idiots! :?
Personal choice.
Do you really want Government Legislation into what we can or cannot wear. Price of everyting will go through the roof. No more race rep lids. No nothing.
Standard Colours standard designs. Thats all we'll be allowed to have.
Personal choice allows me to wear and purchase the best gear I can afford. Therefore I exercise my right to do so at my own cost.
I dont want the Government telling me what I can and can't do its bad enough already.
I agree with your sentiments in theory Fizz.
However I'd rather people spent a little bit on proper gear than me forking out my taxes for their hospital treatment.
ie. No harm in a law to the effect of gear (boots, gloves, suit/jacket&jeans) must pass ec standards. As is the case with helmets. Anyone found not wearing proper gear can goand pay for private care.
Being off public roads makes no difference, you'd still go to get treatment and it still costs us.
I'm saying all this because I caught my mate on Tuesday riding about town in a t-shirt and his reply was "I've only got that on coz i don't want a bee or stonechip in the chest." :roll:
I agree with your sentiments in theory Fizz.
However I'd rather people spent a little bit on proper gear than me forking out my taxes for their hospital treatment.
ie. No harm in a law to the effect of gear (boots, gloves, suit/jacket&jeans) must pass ec standards. As is the case with helmets. Anyone found not wearing proper gear can goand pay for private care.
Being off public roads makes no difference, you'd still go to get treatment and it still costs us.
I'm saying all this because I caught my mate on Tuesday riding about town in a t-shirt and his reply was "I've only got that on coz i don't want a bee or stonechip in the chest." :roll:
Oh dear, the other threads hadnt got to open this can of worms.
The ultimate extension of this argument is for non-bikers who are the majority to say we object to paying our taxes to care for ALL bikers who come off their bikes and get injured. And given they are the majority of tax payers we would lose this one. So by saying people who dont wear gear should pay for their medical treatment is the same as a non-biker saying we all should because we make a choice to do something that has an inherent risk. It would extend to smoking, to drinking, to absolutely everything that has any risk once you start.
Also bear in mind some of the shorts/t shirt brigade may be on the upper tax bracket and actually paid more tax than you in the first place. :wink: :D
Ive discussed before how futile setting standards for all gear is. Especially in regard to how it would be enforced - because it is ultimately unenforceable. And the fact is forcing a standard would price out starters with little money or people who are just about able to afford a bike.
I agree with your sentiments in theory Fizz.
However I'd rather people spent a little bit on proper gear than me forking out my taxes for their hospital treatment.
ie. No harm in a law to the effect of gear (boots, gloves, suit/jacket&jeans) must pass ec standards. As is the case with helmets. Anyone found not wearing proper gear can goand pay for private care.
Being off public roads makes no difference, you'd still go to get treatment and it still costs us.
I'm saying all this because I caught my mate on Tuesday riding about town in a t-shirt and his reply was "I've only got that on coz i don't want a bee or stonechip in the chest." :roll:
Oh dear, the other threads hadnt got to open this can of worms.
The ultimate extension of this argument is for non-bikers who are the majority to say we object to paying our taxes to care for ALL bikers who come off their bikes and get injured. And given they are the majority of tax payers we would lose this one. So by saying people who dont wear gear should pay for their medical treatment is the same as a non-biker saying we all should because we make a choice to do something that has an inherent risk. It would extend to smoking, to drinking, to absolutely everything that has any risk once you start.
Also bear in mind some of the shorts/t shirt brigade may be on the upper tax bracket and actually paid more tax than you in the first place. :wink: :D
You know what Lyn. We missed you when you went on walkabout for a while. :lol:
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 09:22 PM
I think once again the gent in question being American,will have his own personal insurance to cover his treatment.
Haggis..I understand where your coming from but it is a very dangerous line to follow. Hell the progression of that is to see motorcycles banned completely as,(without stats to verify) I would imagine motorcyclists whether suited and booted or not, register very high on the charts for those receiving A and E and even more involved treatment. At some considerable cost to the NH service. :?
busasean
22-07-06, 09:46 PM
Ouch, what an idiot, deserved what he got
dont think he deserved it, he took a chance and well, unlucky! we all know the consequenses of riding without gear but you dont deserve that sort of pain unless you're a kiddie fiddler or a nasty piece of ****. this attitude ****es me off, who desrerves to be hurt because theyre not wearing the right gear? i always ride wearing full gear but i dont judge others as we're all big and ugly enough to realise the consequences of our actions and live with that decision. the ONLY person to suffer is the person who makes that choice!
Peter Henry
22-07-06, 09:56 PM
Busasean makes a very good point indeed. Simply because someone chooses not to wear equipment that could save him/her from greater harm in the event of a spill, does not naturally mean that person gets what they deserve if the unfortunate happens.
Yes they could have taken more precaution,but come on let's be a little more charitable rather than judgemental.
If not I will start one of my christian led religious threads! :P :P :P
northwind
22-07-06, 09:57 PM
Yeah, I'm with Busasean- I don't think he deserved the injuries any more than he deserves my sympathy. What he does to himself is up to him.
I think like most things it comes down to education - and after that experience I bet he learnt his lesson there.
busasean
22-07-06, 10:00 PM
Busasean makes a very good point indeed. Simply because someone chooses not to wear equipment that could save him/her from greater harm in the event of a spill, does not naturally mean that person gets what they deserve if the unfortunate happens.
thats what i meant to say!
:D
Scooby Drew
22-07-06, 10:00 PM
He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.
That's what I should have said in the beginning. :lol:
:takeabow: :lol:
I'll defend anyones right of choice to do what they want - as I will defend my choice of punching them in the face for being so stupid if I get hold of them. 8)
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 10:08 PM
I'll defend anyones right of choice to do what they want - as I will defend my choice of punching them in the face for being so stupid if I get hold of them. 8)
See this is what I really don't get. I just don't understand why some people get so wound up by bikers who dont wear any kit.
Please don't think I am having a go at you personally Scooby Drew. I know other people who get similarly annoyed by this and I just don't understand why they get so cross.
Scooby Drew
22-07-06, 10:30 PM
I'll defend anyones right of choice to do what they want - as I will defend my choice of punching them in the face for being so stupid if I get hold of them. 8)
See this is what I really don't get. I just don't understand why some people get so wound up by bikers who dont wear any kit.
Please don't think I am having a go at you personally Scooby Drew. I know other people who get similarly annoyed by this and I just don't understand why they get so cross.
I've lost two friends who have died in bike accidents and my brother has binned his bike twice so its not like I dont know the consequences of not being properly attired whilst riding your bike.
No offence taken, it is just a strongly held opinion is all :lol:
When I was 11 yr old my dad was taking me on a trip on his bike and we got hit by a car. I was wearing my mom's helmet, as I didn't have my own, which came off and as a result I spent 16 days in a coma and have permanent brain injuries (as well as being a bit short tempered :lol: ) My ankle had compund fractures of both bones which would quite likely not have happened if I had had proper boots on. As a result of this all I am always fully kitted up and think that anyone who isn't is patently stupid. I would never punch someone in the face (I'm a bit weedy) it's just how strongly I feel on the subject. :twisted:
kwak zzr
22-07-06, 10:34 PM
I think like most things it comes down to education - and after that experience I bet he learnt his lesson there.
he will wear a jacket and gloves from now on i think :wink:
fizzwheel
22-07-06, 10:38 PM
No offence taken, it is just a strongly held opinion is all :lol:
When I was 11 yr old my dad was taking me on a trip on his bike and we got hit by a car. I was wearing my mom's helmet, as I didn't have my own, which came off and as a result I spent 16 days in a coma and have permanent brain injuries (as well as being a bit short tempered :lol: ) My ankle had compund fractures of both bones which would quite likely not have happened if I had had proper boots on. As a result of this all I am always fully kitted up and think that anyone who isn't is patently stupid. I would never punch someone in the face (I'm a bit weedy) it's just how strongly I feel on the subject. :twisted:
Ouch and thats putting it mildy. :shock:
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